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Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 4	Posted - 2014.01.23 23:37:00 - [61] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Munin-Frey wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. yes, the PLC is in the same situation. At least your's fires without any delay. Not only am I dead before my shot would land but I'm dead before the shot even gets fired. :( This game used to offer more variety but it's getting very CoD/BF4. Everyone uses the win gun and you kill your opponent if you start shooting first. Not too fun to me. Of course everybody is going to use the best equipment. When you die in this game it matters. If you lose 10 proto suits in a row it matters. Crappy things are a waste of your time and that translates into a negative amount of ISK. You're right, but is that the kind of game you want: no diversity, everybody running the same gear, items in the market nobody uses. Yes, it makes sense to use the win gun, but it makes more sense when no one weapon has any dominance over any other.
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 791	Posted - 2014.01.23 23:49:00 - [62] - Quote There's this merc, let's just call him rug. he makes the mass driver look OP. Seek him. Learn his ways. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6125	Posted - 2014.01.23 23:52:00 - [63] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: There's this merc, let's just call him rug. he makes the mass driver look OP. Seek him. Learn his ways. He shamed my buddy and me when he joined our squad, earns his own OB, and got 32 kills.....and we were ******* around tank wrestling and make crappy bane impressions. But yeah he's OP nerf him. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 4	Posted - 2014.01.23 23:55:00 - [64] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: There's this merc, let's just call him rug. he makes the mass driver look OP. Seek him. Learn his ways. Bro I've got maxed prof, reload speed, and ammo capacity, four complex damage mods and over 9 months experience with it. I know it's 'ways' as good as any other. It's a joke vs anything proto except maybe a scout suit.
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 4	Posted - 2014.01.24 00:01:00 - [65] - Quote True Adamance wrote: MassiveNine wrote: There's this merc, let's just call him rug. he makes the mass driver look OP. Seek him. Learn his ways. He shamed my buddy and me when he joined our squad, earns his own OB, and got 32 kills.....and we were ******* around tank wrestling and make crappy bane impressions. But yeah he's OP nerf him. I appreciate the humor guys, but please, in all seriousness, the MD is a joke.
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 4	Posted - 2014.01.27 14:28:00 - [66] - Quote Here's a question: how many people think there should be stand alone variants other then some sort of rifle?
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 526	Posted - 2014.01.27 14:49:00 - [67] - Quote IMHO the MD is one of the hardest to balance weapons in the game (well this is basicly true for all splash weapons). The line between up and op is very thin. And i honestly don't know how to balance this weapon properly... I guess this is why other shooters limit explosive weapons quite a lot. As a scout I still fear the MD and its splash damage a lot.
Rifter7 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 325	Posted - 2014.01.27 14:55:00 - [68] - Quote rail rifle you need constant los. mass driver doesnt. not saying rail rifles balanced, mind you.
Sentient Archon 1442	Posted - 2014.01.27 14:56:00 - [69] - Quote LMFAO! MDs and Lasers are still viable weapons. You just need to know where to use. Laser hint: Open LOLMaps behind covers MD hint: Always shoot down ROFL! The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
Azura Sakura Altyr Initiative 576	Posted - 2014.01.27 14:57:00 - [70] - Quote I think I am the only one thinking MD should is meant for support purposes xD. When there is a map with cqc and everyone is group together, I pull out the MD to soften them up and spread them out. I think MD is fine imo, better than when they were fotm....

Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1518	Posted - 2014.01.27 14:59:00 - [71] - Quote C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. Also don't forget they have optimized allot of the Framerate issues dealing with explosives, while it was pre 1.7 almost impposible to aim at a masshole while he was lagging your screen to kingdom come, it is now crystal clear of lag (most) of the time as the explosive explode and you just kill the guy anyways. Pre 1.7 i had no chance against a 3x stacked damage modded hitting the wall 10 feet next to me, but now they r just easy pickings for my Candy Rifle, i mean Combat Rifle. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Sentient Archon 1442	Posted - 2014.01.27 14:59:00 - [72] - Quote Azura Sakura wrote: I think I am the only one thinking MD should is meant for support purposes xD. When there is a map with cqc and everyone is group together, I pull out the MD to soften them up and spread them out. I think MD is fine imo, better than when they were fotm.... People forget MD and Lasers are AOD not slayer. My 2-3 kills and 20+ assists speak great things for the MD. The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6013	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:03:00 - [73] - Quote Brian LaFleur wrote: MassiveNine wrote: There's this merc, let's just call him rug. he makes the mass driver look OP. Seek him. Learn his ways. Bro I've got maxed prof, reload speed, and ammo capacity, four complex damage mods and over 9 months experience with it. I know it's 'ways' as good as any other. It's a joke vs anything proto except maybe a scout suit. Having the skills unlocked does not necessarily mean you are skilled at the weapon. If there are people out there doing very well with the mass driver, and you're not, then part of the problem is you rather than the mass driver. Go seek this rug, learn his ways. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1680	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:18:00 - [74] - Quote I have been advocate for the Mass Driver since day 1, it was my first ever weapon. I have been through the bad times, when rounds would phase through opponennts and the floor. The good when it was the first weapon to have working hit detection, to the lag when shots fired seconds after pulling the trigger. I have used it in every conceivable role, I've done short range breaching, long range suppression, area denial, flanking, 1v1, AV. You name I've done it with my Mass Driver. But since 1.4 its been slowly getting worse, its not the mass drivers fault, but armour buffs, HROF hit detection, 2 new rifles have all worn down the Mass Driver to ALMOST pointless. The mass driver was never a high DPS weapon, but the rifles are getting worse, it just can't match the damage. Its time to bring down the rifles, a gallante assault rifle gets over 4 seconds of fire time, with 400 DPS that's alot. I personally believe the DPS should be approximately 300 at proto level, this would make other weapons relevant again. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1680	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:25:00 - [75] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: LMFAO! MDs and Lasers are still viable weapons. You just need to know where to use. Laser hint: Open LOLMaps behind covers MD hint: Always shoot down ROFL! You forget to mention the Rail Rifle having better range and DPS then the laser, you also forget to mention that when defending a point there is rarely high ground close enough to be relevant. They may be "Viable" but if you wanna say that then you could easily say the scout is still viable. Viable doesn't mean useful or relevant the mass driver and laser rifle are neither. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Azura Sakura Altyr Initiative 577	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:32:00 - [76] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: LMFAO! MDs and Lasers are still viable weapons. You just need to know where to use. Laser hint: Open LOLMaps behind covers MD hint: Always shoot down ROFL! You forget to mention the Rail Rifle having better range and DPS then the laser, you also forget to mention that when defending a point there is rarely high ground close enough to be relevant. They may be "Viable" but if you wanna say that then you could easily say the scout is still viable. Viable doesn't mean useful or relevant the mass driver and laser rifle are neither. Instead of viable use situational. But as it is now, scanners are to strong, counter scout easily and LR is out performed by RR. I still think MD is fine because it as a AOE weapon and has potential to change the tide of the fight if used correctly.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1680	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:38:00 - [77] - Quote Azura Sakura wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: LMFAO! MDs and Lasers are still viable weapons. You just need to know where to use. Laser hint: Open LOLMaps behind covers MD hint: Always shoot down ROFL! You forget to mention the Rail Rifle having better range and DPS then the laser, you also forget to mention that when defending a point there is rarely high ground close enough to be relevant. They may be "Viable" but if you wanna say that then you could easily say the scout is still viable. Viable doesn't mean useful or relevant the mass driver and laser rifle are neither. Instead of viable use situational. But as it is now, scanners are to strong, counter scout easily and LR is out performed by RR. I still think MD is fine because it as a AOE weapon and has potential to change the tide of the fight if used correctly. Not Quite, unless you are running in a squad with 5 rifles its too situauational to be useful. People aren't afraid of it, it isn't useful when the corridor you are lobbing rounds down has more than 1 rifle aware of your presence. Ut is litteraly only good for hitting behind cover. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Sentient Archon 1443	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:43:00 - [78] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: You forget to mention the Rail Rifle having better range and DPS then the laser, you also forget to mention that when defending a point there is rarely high ground close enough to be relevant. They may be "Viable" but if you wanna say that then you could easily say the scout is still viable. Viable doesn't mean useful or relevant the mass driver and laser rifle are neither. One thing about the CCP map design even though the maps are still too big supports ALL weapons being used... Yes... I said it... ALL weapons can be used on all maps including LOLPlasma Rifles. If at all any weapon needs looking into its the Plasma Rifle. For MDs and Lasers what I said still stands. I will give you another useful hint;- learn how to fly a dropship or squad up with someone who knows how to fly a dropship. Boom shaka lakka boom! The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
Azura Sakura Altyr Initiative 577	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:44:00 - [79] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Azura Sakura wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: LMFAO! MDs and Lasers are still viable weapons. You just need to know where to use. Laser hint: Open LOLMaps behind covers MD hint: Always shoot down ROFL! You forget to mention the Rail Rifle having better range and DPS then the laser, you also forget to mention that when defending a point there is rarely high ground close enough to be relevant. They may be "Viable" but if you wanna say that then you could easily say the scout is still viable. Viable doesn't mean useful or relevant the mass driver and laser rifle are neither. Instead of viable use situational. But as it is now, scanners are to strong, counter scout easily and LR is out performed by RR. I still think MD is fine because it as a AOE weapon and has potential to change the tide of the fight if used correctly. Not Quite, unless you are running in a squad with 5 rifles its too situauational to be useful. People aren't afraid of it, it isn't useful when the corridor you are lobbing rounds down has more than 1 rifle aware of your presence. Ut is litteraly only good for hitting behind cover. You kinda have a point. But I run only flux on all my suit and I run scanner and nano hives on MD suits. I mainly use it to suppress and scatter the enemy and when it is in a inclosed area. I don't use it in the open area unless I have to but that is dumb and will only get murdered by better weapons.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 366	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:59:00 - [80] - Quote Azura Sakura wrote: Instead of viable use situational. The MD is "situational" in that when certain circumstances are met it has the potential to be only slightly worse than a rifle. Anything the MD excells at a rifle does faster, and a dedicated grenadier does better.. There is no point in suppressing a conga line for 20 seconds when you can mow them down in 10.

Sentient Archon 1443	Posted - 2014.01.27 16:03:00 - [81] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Azura Sakura wrote: Instead of viable use situational. The MD is "situational" in that when certain circumstances are met it has the potential to be only slightly worse than a rifle. Anything the MD excells at a rifle does faster, and a dedicated grenadier does better.. There is no point in suppressing a conga line for 20 seconds when you can mow them down in 10. LOL OK! What is better to take out a heavy having 2 logis on him in a logi triangle? A flux nade with MD or a RR or for that matter any other weapon. PS: Regnyum is excluded because he is OP. Nerf Regnyum! The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 366	Posted - 2014.01.27 16:09:00 - [82] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: What is better to take out a heavy having 2 logis on him in a logi triangle? A Rail Rifle.
Sentient Archon 1443	Posted - 2014.01.27 16:11:00 - [83] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: What is better to take out a heavy having 2 logis on him in a logi triangle? A Rail Rifle. Sure thing LMFAO! The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 102	Posted - 2014.01.27 16:53:00 - [84] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: MassiveNine wrote: There's this merc, let's just call him rug. he makes the mass driver look OP. Seek him. Learn his ways. Bro I've got maxed prof, reload speed, and ammo capacity, four complex damage mods and over 9 months experience with it. I know it's 'ways' as good as any other. It's a joke vs anything proto except maybe a scout suit. Having the skills unlocked does not necessarily mean you are skilled at the weapon. If there are people out there doing very well with the mass driver, and you're not, then part of the problem is you rather than the mass driver. Go seek this rug, learn his ways. It might be part of the problem, but when the majority of those using MD have trouble using it effectively but no trouble using RR or CR's effectively, despite preferring the MD, then the issue seems to be with the equipment, not the users.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 66	Posted - 2014.01.27 17:07:00 - [85] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Saunders still bullshitting that the RR is better than the CR smdh MD might have not changed but the fact is that there the maps are largely made for clear LOS fighting, so a shooter is going to be much more appropriate in the game than a trajectory weapon. Factor in all the nonsense about hitboxes and whatnot and its clearly going to be behind in the weapon of choice stakes. MD should get a huge buff against armor, like the plasma cannon needs, so it could maybe fill a much needed niche of a weapon that is effective against both infrantry and HAV but superlative against neither. Dust could use some kinda cover system as well, so that using grenades and MD/FL would be useful in a scenario other than blind firing into mobs of enemies. cr and rr still need a nerf -_-. rr to much dm for its range cr needs a nerf on its dmg (Just dont over do these ccp we dont need a bunch of weapons joining the flaylock pistol. Caldari Loyalist
Mortedeamor 1302	Posted - 2014.01.27 23:05:00 - [86] - Quote you said the lr is up..well you and all of those that say that will feel my wrath come at me and get incinerated infidels +1 for IWS to stay as cpm more-tae-dee-um-more stop asking how to pronounce my name its quiet irritating
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6234	Posted - 2014.01.27 23:24:00 - [87] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: you said the lr is up..well you and all of those that say that will feel my wrath come at me and get incinerated infidels Good call. The laser still is the embodiment of Gods Fury. In fact 3 lasers vs enemy scum in an ambush match just laid waste to enemies trying to take cover. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Mortedeamor 1303	Posted - 2014.01.27 23:28:00 - [88] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: you said the lr is up..well you and all of those that say that will feel my wrath come at me and get incinerated infidels Good call. The laser still is the embodiment of Gods Fury. In fact 3 lasers vs enemy scum in an ambush match just laid waste to enemies trying to take cover. i dropped in in thhe last half of a match where it was a rr fest and snipe fest on manus peak ran 36/2 standard amar assault like a god..my lr still has the touch of death..only the best will get me 1v1..normally rails have to gang up 5 v1 to kill me max range or get me in cqc in the area they should be able to fight in either +1 for IWS to stay as cpm more-tae-dee-um-more stop asking how to pronounce my name its quiet irritating
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6235	Posted - 2014.01.27 23:33:00 - [89] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: True Adamance wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: you said the lr is up..well you and all of those that say that will feel my wrath come at me and get incinerated infidels Good call. The laser still is the embodiment of Gods Fury. In fact 3 lasers vs enemy scum in an ambush match just laid waste to enemies trying to take cover. i dropped in in thhe last half of a match where it was a rr fest and snipe fest on manus peak ran 36/2 standard amar assault like a god..my lr still has the touch of death..only the best will get me 1v1..normally rails have to gang up 5 v1 to kill me max range or get me in cqc in the area they should be able to fight in either I get good games when I play with my good luck charm. 24/2 etc...and that's trying to run the commando. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 4	Posted - 2014.01.29 04:33:00 - [90] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: MassiveNine wrote: There's this merc, let's just call him rug. he makes the mass driver look OP. Seek him. Learn his ways. Bro I've got maxed prof, reload speed, and ammo capacity, four complex damage mods and over 9 months experience with it. I know it's 'ways' as good as any other. It's a joke vs anything proto except maybe a scout suit. Having the skills unlocked does not necessarily mean you are skilled at the weapon. If there are people out there doing very well with the mass driver, and you're not, then part of the problem is you rather than the mass driver. Go seek this rug, learn his ways. Judging by this thread, I'm not the only one. So I guess all of us who've been using it since forever just suck, right? Typical rifle-user response, that is.



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