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C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 451	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:14:00 - [1] - Quote I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1659	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:16:00 - [2] - Quote mass driver was starting to get pretty dominant before 1.7 hit. flaylock used to be amazing, now it's a joke. shields were up, now armor is up, and eventually armor will be down again. it's how things roll here.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3761	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:17:00 - [3] - Quote Right next to the Flaylock Pistol. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
CrotchGrab 360 The Men In The Mirror 1379	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:19:00 - [4] - Quote I used to love using a mass driver, I did pretty well with it, it took a long time but after 8 or 9M sp I have prof 5, 3x complex damage mods, 2x enhanced kin cats. it's a great setup for speed and power but only has around 300hp. thing is i've only had enough SP to use it when 1.7 hit, and it's a pretty useless suit. that's a dedicated alt pretty much thrown down the drain, now im dedicating the SP event to rail rifle proficiency, to join the masses, where's the diversity?!
Munin-Frey Fish Spotters Inc. 93	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:19:00 - [5] - Quote C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. yes, the PLC is in the same situation. At least your's fires without any delay. Not only am I dead before my shot would land but I'm dead before the shot even gets fired. :( This game used to offer more variety but it's getting very CoD/BF4. Everyone uses the win gun and you kill your opponent if you start shooting first. Not too fun to me. Closed Beta Veteran
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 452	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:23:00 - [6] - Quote calisk galern wrote: mass driver was starting to get pretty dominant before 1.7 hit. flaylock used to be amazing, now it's a joke. shields were up, now armor is up, and eventually armor will be down again. it's how things roll here. The flaylock was touched the MD wasnt, surely this is an indicator of the fact that actually the RR and CR are too versitile. They has no clear disadvantages, the CR lesd so because of its short range.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3435	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:29:00 - [7] - Quote Munin-Frey wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. yes, the PLC is in the same situation. At least your's fires without any delay. Not only am I dead before my shot would land but I'm dead before the shot even gets fired. :( This game used to offer more variety but it's getting very CoD/BF4. Everyone uses the win gun and you kill your opponent if you start shooting first. Not too fun to me. Of course everybody is going to use the best equipment. When you die in this game it matters. If you lose 10 proto suits in a row it matters. Crappy things are a waste of your time and that translates into a negative amount of ISK. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Rusty Shallows 852	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:33:00 - [8] - Quote C Saunders wrote: snip I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. On my Classic Logi Bro ALT Game changes has made that class almost impossible to play. Within dense urban areas it works well in Pubs unless the red-dots are aggressive and know what they can tank. Then they just blow through. Can't attest how well Mass Drivers are working for slayers. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 452	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:37:00 - [9] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: C Saunders wrote: snip I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. On my Classic Logi Bro ALT Game changes has made that class almost impossible to play. Within dense urban areas it works well in Pubs unless the red-dots are aggressive and know what they can tank. Then they just blow through. Can't attest how well Mass Drivers are working for slayers. Dense inside areas - Yay Anywhere else - Nay
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1659	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:38:00 - [10] - Quote C Saunders wrote: calisk galern wrote: mass driver was starting to get pretty dominant before 1.7 hit. flaylock used to be amazing, now it's a joke. shields were up, now armor is up, and eventually armor will be down again. it's how things roll here. The flaylock was touched the MD wasnt, surely this is an indicator of the fact that actually the RR and CR are too versitile. They has no clear disadvantages, the CR lesd so because of its short range. eh they will eventually be down as well, I suspect they will balance out around the same time shields have their up time again.

Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 526	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:42:00 - [11] - Quote Saunders still bullshitting that the RR is better than the CR smdh MD might have not changed but the fact is that there the maps are largely made for clear LOS fighting, so a shooter is going to be much more appropriate in the game than a trajectory weapon. Factor in all the nonsense about hitboxes and whatnot and its clearly going to be behind in the weapon of choice stakes. MD should get a huge buff against armor, like the plasma cannon needs, so it could maybe fill a much needed niche of a weapon that is effective against both infrantry and HAV but superlative against neither. Dust could use some kinda cover system as well, so that using grenades and MD/FL would be useful in a scenario other than blind firing into mobs of enemies.
Kara Anschel Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 18	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:49:00 - [12] - Quote Go away Obo, nobody loves you :P I think the MD is failing because lack of dense spaces. Inside of building it shines, but even getting to said building before being torn apart by a RR is a problem.
Zerus Ni'Kator Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 113	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:53:00 - [13] - Quote C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. Sorry but I used the mass driver a couple of games ago when enemy were defending the objective underground in domination and I just rapid fired using 3 x different nanohives to deny the enemy a way out of the room and destroyed equipment and we eventually pushed them put of their ... Mass Driver is a situational weapon if your trying to use it like a rifle in mid ranged combat then your doing it wrong ..MD aren't supposed to be killing people from 50m away ... it's like complaining that your sniper rifle can't kill people in CQC Seriously as an area denial weapon in compounds it is the best weapon out there don't compare it to the clearly broken Laser Rifle .. that is useless even when it is performing it's niche PS Comparing the CR and the MD is silly .. the CR doesn't perform the same job as a MD .. it doesn't have splash damage for 1 thing
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 433	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:57:00 - [14] - Quote I started using MD from the very start and loved it. I enjoyed the tricky nature of prediction and trajectory. It was fun and rewarding to use and most importantly to me augmented the supportive nature of my logi kung-fu. I thought I'd always use it because pre DUST I haven't played much online FPS and my gun game is WIP. Now, I'm considering speccing out of it if weapons get refunded. Why? As stated, it is a big fat ** sucking POS with the inclusion of RR and CR and I feel gimped going onto the field with it. It's a shame, I always thought I'd be a masshole but the thing can kiss my *****. Probably going to spec into CR--already have RR. Rifle 514! Electronic Warfare GOD in the making Proud Minmatar
trraacx Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 64	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:02:00 - [15] - Quote After getting put into an ending match a couple of nights ago I pulled out the mass driver just for its entertainment value. There was a tank maybe 30 m from where I came in. I hit it with at least 7 rounds, obviously direct hits. The match ended and reported that I had dealt 546 HP of damage. That was an exo_5 with 1 complex damage mod. I'm not sure what this is telling me but I can see why I have stopped using it.
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 536	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:03:00 - [16] - Quote The rifles are already getting toned down in the next build. Same with Tanks. Once that happens, things should improve. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole Durka durka.... Bitch.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 624	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:06:00 - [17] - Quote You think the MD is bad now? Lol it going to get worse with Armor reinforced Gallente Assaults and all Heavies becoming immune to the weapon in 1.8. That and the Assault/Commandos ability to kill things even quicker with the AR in 1.8 as well.
Rusty Shallows 852	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:18:00 - [18] - Quote McFurious wrote: The rifles are already getting toned down in the next build. Same with Tanks. Once that happens, things should improve. He offers hope. BURN HIM WITH FIRE! But seriously what sources is the original statement from? It sounds smart so naturally I'm very skeptical. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 625	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:20:00 - [19] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. Sorry but I used the mass driver a couple of games ago when enemy were defending the objective underground in domination and I just rapid fired using 3 x different nanohives to deny the enemy a way out of the room and destroyed equipment and we eventually pushed them put of their ... Mass Driver is a situational weapon if your trying to use it like a rifle in mid ranged combat then your doing it wrong ..MD aren't supposed to be killing people from 50m away ... it's like complaining that your sniper rifle can't kill people in CQC Seriously as an area denial weapon in compounds it is the best weapon out there don't compare it to the clearly broken Laser Rifle .. that is useless even when it is performing it's niche PS Comparing the CR and the MD is silly .. the CR doesn't perform the same job as a MD .. it doesn't have splash damage for 1 thing Aim Assist is the splash damage. And what are you talking about, if you're not suppose to use the standard MD at 50 meters, where are you suppose to use it? 50 meters is the optimal range for the weapon. Assault can be used farther but forget scaring anyone away immediately, especially in 1.8. And destroying EQ is the reason to use it? A flux Nade could have done the same thing while taking out the opponent's shield; then you can finish them off with a Rifle.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 816	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:32:00 - [20] - Quote This is a symptom of the TTK issue. If the racial ARs get a significant base DPS nerf then weapons like the MD will be a lot more competitive. It was the HD fixes in 1.6 that really screwed the weapon balance. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea

Zerus Ni'Kator Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 115	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:49:00 - [21] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. Sorry but I used the mass driver a couple of games ago when enemy were defending the objective underground in domination and I just rapid fired using 3 x different nanohives to deny the enemy a way out of the room and destroyed equipment and we eventually pushed them put of their ... Mass Driver is a situational weapon if your trying to use it like a rifle in mid ranged combat then your doing it wrong ..MD aren't supposed to be killing people from 50m away ... it's like complaining that your sniper rifle can't kill people in CQC Seriously as an area denial weapon in compounds it is the best weapon out there don't compare it to the clearly broken Laser Rifle .. that is useless even when it is performing it's niche PS Comparing the CR and the MD is silly .. the CR doesn't perform the same job as a MD .. it doesn't have splash damage for 1 thing Aim Assist is the splash damage. And what are you talking about, if you're not suppose to use the standard MD at 50 meters, where are you suppose to use it? 50 meters is the optimal range for the weapon. Assault can be used farther but forget scaring anyone away immediately, especially in 1.8. And destroying EQ is the reason to use it? A flux Nade could have done the same thing while taking out the opponent's shield; then you can finish them off with a Rifle. I mean LOL 50m may be the effective range but it isn't supposed to be used out in an open area killing rifle users or HMG users 50m away xD I've shot enemies from 50m away on a rooftop guarding a point from a group of enemies trying to break through and hack the point ... that is area denial .. that is the purpose of a MD ... situational ... if your going toe to toe with any rifle user or HMG user in the open then your going to die and you should die ... I have max mass driver proficiency .. max AR proficiency .. max RR proficiency and I don;t just use 1 weapon all the time I switch and change according to what I believe is required in that given situation ... In that match I mentioned I had been using the AR as it was a compound match and I didn;t require the extra range of the RR but we lost the point and it was well defended and the enemies were all bunched up around the point defending the 2 entrances so instead of trying to rush in with an AR and get slaughtered I took a position above them and shot down into the room using the trajectory of the weapon which meant they couldn't hit me .. this forced the enemy further back into the room and allowed the other infantry to jump down and take up a closer position and push them further into a corner and eventually we took out the rest of their uplinks and pushed them out of the room The MD is a beast in the right situation especially in domination .. my AR and RR couldn't have helped us win that game like the Mass Driver did As for your point about 1.8 .. I have no idea what it's going to be like .. because we don't have any details about whats happening in 1.8 but I will say this .. lets wait and actually see what they are like in 1.8 before we start calling for changes to it I love the Mass Driver and right now there is nothing wrong with it ... try using a proto suit, proto mass driver 3 complex damage mods and shooting into an enclosed area full of enemies and you'll understand what i'm getting at .. it doesn't need a buff it is fine as it is .. it fills its niche perfectly
Lanius Pulvis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 129	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:56:00 - [22] - Quote A really fun combo I found is running a Breach MD on a scout and play it like a shotty, it's a blast (pun intended). Not new, just new to you.
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 440	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:19:00 - [23] - Quote LOL I just want to hear what the people who called the mass driver a "noob tube" have to say about the weapon with the longest TTK now. And CCP never touched it! "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 382	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:39:00 - [24] - Quote Those saying TTK and aim assists are right. The MD hasn't been a goto weapon since 1.4 hit with the first round of hit detection fixes and aim assist. Where we are at now though it is pretty obvious what is going on. The MD, the LR, the sniper rifle, the shotgun, these weapons used to be used quiet often, but they are growing more and more rare. These weapons haven't changed in a long time, so you need to look elsewhere for the cause of their demise. Basically the rifles (all of them) are way to powerful and eat the other weapons niches. The rail rifle > laser rifle The CR > Shotgun and mass driver RR and CR > AR in every instance. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
sira draco Ancient Erectiles 40	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:43:00 - [25] - Quote Munin-Frey wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. yes, the PLC is in the same situation. At least your's fires without any delay. Not only am I dead before my shot would land but I'm dead before the shot even gets fired. :( This game used to offer more variety but it's getting very CoD/BF4. Everyone uses the win gun and you kill your opponent if you start shooting first. Not too fun to me. i agree, its getting boring, everyones using FOTM
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1759	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:52:00 - [26] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Those saying TTK and aim assists are right. The MD hasn't been a goto weapon since 1.4 hit with the first round of hit detection fixes and aim assist. Where we are at now though it is pretty obvious what is going on. The MD, the LR, the sniper rifle, the shotgun, these weapons used to be used quiet often, but they are growing more and more rare. These weapons haven't changed in a long time, so you need to look elsewhere for the cause of their demise. Basically the rifles (all of them) are way to powerful and eat the other weapons niches. The rail rifle > laser rifle The CR > Shotgun and mass driver RR and CR > AR in every instance. Even back in 1.4. The AR was being used more than all other weapons combined (save the sniper rifle). The problem is, and always has been that the hitscan weapons in this game are OP and easy. Thus, the vast majority of the community settles on them, and CCP listens to the majority. So, the situation spirals out of control as time goes on. The TTK in Dust needs to be reduced significantly for there to be any meaning to build design and tactics. I still don't see that CCP is willing to do it, so here we are, nearly two years in still with AR 514. (Yeah, there are two new variants of ARs, but they are still ARs). There should be no "generalist" weapon at all, and if one exists it should be significantly less powerful than any of the hitscan ARs currently in Dust.
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 457	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:54:00 - [27] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. Sorry but I used the mass driver a couple of games ago when enemy were defending the objective underground in domination and I just rapid fired using 3 x different nanohives to deny the enemy a way out of the room and destroyed equipment and we eventually pushed them put of their ... Mass Driver is a situational weapon if your trying to use it like a rifle in mid ranged combat then your doing it wrong ..MD aren't supposed to be killing people from 50m away ... it's like complaining that your sniper rifle can't kill people in CQC Seriously as an area denial weapon in compounds it is the best weapon out there don't compare it to the clearly broken Laser Rifle .. that is useless even when it is performing it's niche PS Comparing the CR and the MD is silly .. the CR doesn't perform the same job as a MD .. it doesn't have splash damage for 1 thing Been using a MD since open beta hit. I've had kills at 100+ metres with the thing. I know where every hit will land wjen I fire the thingMl Obviously 100m+ kills are not a common thing BUT I doubt you'll ever get that now. The range of the combat rifle is where the MD used to excel at but it now cant because the CR beats it in everyway but splash. Having also nearly got prof 5 in CR I can tell you now, the CRs fire is like a tight cone thats why its short range but you can and I have killed 2 guys in one burst. Look at the disadvantages the MD has: An arc Small amount of ammo Travel time Cant hit targets higher than you easily. 30% decrease in effectiveness against shields. Disadvantages of a CR: Small amount of ammo They both are meant for the same range now please tell me which is the obvious choice.
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 43	Posted - 2014.01.21 23:05:00 - [28] - Quote Your right about the rail and combat rifles being rediculous. CCP could've gave them the same power as oother already in game rifles and still we would've used them. Didn't need to make em op or any other weapon for that matter. I think they got beat to many times by assault rifles and wanted to dominate. Same thing with tanks and swarm launchers. And since their the creators they gave a the rail rifle at lvl 1 55 dmg and the combat rifle 1200+ rate of fire. Sounds like somebody wanted to beat up on the assault rifles lol! And I still kill with the assault rifles too lol! Man they not gone give us any kind of respec so we just gotta make do or find another game. Really don't think they listen to us all that much anyway. "Anybody order chaos?"
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1282	Posted - 2014.01.21 23:10:00 - [29] - Quote Their are only 3 places I can use a mass driver and be effective. The reactor core/supply depot corridors of the Large research hub in Domination. Camping the roof above B here Any of the catwalks over the roads on the Orbital Artillery Outpost (sorta) It is a breach weapon that is inferior to just lobbing grenades or spamming rifles, especially with grenades being so much more powerful and versitile. It was the love of my life but if I got a weapon respec it wouldn't be hard for me to not respec into it (besides I can use that SP towards my Gallente Ion pistol) Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
ugg reset Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 445	Posted - 2014.01.21 23:11:00 - [30] - Quote The MD is still great. Just not a stand alone weapon like it use to be. this might be for the best. Thr33 is the magic number.



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