DUST Search - The mass driver joins the laser.

Zerus Ni'Kator wrote:

C Saunders wrote:

I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say.

Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range.

The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more.

The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands.

Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air.

I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior.

Sorry but I used the mass driver a couple of games ago when enemy were defending the objective underground in domination and I just rapid fired using 3 x different nanohives to deny the enemy a way out of the room and destroyed equipment and we eventually pushed them put of their ...

Mass Driver is a situational weapon if your trying to use it like a rifle in mid ranged combat then your doing it wrong ..MD aren't supposed to be killing people from 50m away ... it's like complaining that your sniper rifle can't kill people in CQC

Seriously as an area denial weapon in compounds it is the best weapon out there don't compare it to the clearly broken Laser Rifle .. that is useless even when it is performing it's niche

PS Comparing the CR and the MD is silly .. the CR doesn't perform the same job as a MD .. it doesn't have splash damage for 1 thing


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C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 451	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:14:00 - [1] - Quote I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior.
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 452	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:23:00 - [2] - Quote calisk galern wrote: mass driver was starting to get pretty dominant before 1.7 hit. flaylock used to be amazing, now it's a joke. shields were up, now armor is up, and eventually armor will be down again. it's how things roll here. The flaylock was touched the MD wasnt, surely this is an indicator of the fact that actually the RR and CR are too versitile. They has no clear disadvantages, the CR lesd so because of its short range.
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 452	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:37:00 - [3] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: C Saunders wrote: snip I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. On my Classic Logi Bro ALT Game changes has made that class almost impossible to play. Within dense urban areas it works well in Pubs unless the red-dots are aggressive and know what they can tank. Then they just blow through. Can't attest how well Mass Drivers are working for slayers. Dense inside areas - Yay Anywhere else - Nay
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 457	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:54:00 - [4] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. Sorry but I used the mass driver a couple of games ago when enemy were defending the objective underground in domination and I just rapid fired using 3 x different nanohives to deny the enemy a way out of the room and destroyed equipment and we eventually pushed them put of their ... Mass Driver is a situational weapon if your trying to use it like a rifle in mid ranged combat then your doing it wrong ..MD aren't supposed to be killing people from 50m away ... it's like complaining that your sniper rifle can't kill people in CQC Seriously as an area denial weapon in compounds it is the best weapon out there don't compare it to the clearly broken Laser Rifle .. that is useless even when it is performing it's niche PS Comparing the CR and the MD is silly .. the CR doesn't perform the same job as a MD .. it doesn't have splash damage for 1 thing Been using a MD since open beta hit. I've had kills at 100+ metres with the thing. I know where every hit will land wjen I fire the thingMl Obviously 100m+ kills are not a common thing BUT I doubt you'll ever get that now. The range of the combat rifle is where the MD used to excel at but it now cant because the CR beats it in everyway but splash. Having also nearly got prof 5 in CR I can tell you now, the CRs fire is like a tight cone thats why its short range but you can and I have killed 2 guys in one burst. Look at the disadvantages the MD has: An arc Small amount of ammo Travel time Cant hit targets higher than you easily. 30% decrease in effectiveness against shields. Disadvantages of a CR: Small amount of ammo They both are meant for the same range now please tell me which is the obvious choice.
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 466	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:07:00 - [5] - Quote Any blue tags on the horizon? Surely CCP you must have kill stats for the 4 rifles and compare that to the MD kill stats. Surely theres a difference on number of kills each. You must be able to see that the RR and CR kill faster than other weapons. It really bugs me when you guys dont seem to see what the majority are seeing.