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aqua network STAGNANT WATER INC. 20	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:29:00 - [31] - Quote laser rife also need a buff and CB,RR,& AR need to over heat or something.
Squagga The State Protectorate 31	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:32:00 - [32] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Squagga wrote: I proto'd into scrambler rifles and there have been plenty of times when I've offed myself due to overheating. I would agree that a longer build up would be good for this weapon. I also think that 50% is too much. 25%-30% would be agreeable. I also don't agree with the scope idea .. it has a reflex sight .. but then again that's my favorite sight .. so maybe I'm just biased Its 50% heat build reduction TO CHARGED SHOTS ONLY! Does anybody actually reads what i write anymore? or just get in to say ''no'' and leave? XD Do you actually read what other people are saying? Or just assume that everyone is against you? Maybe there's a reason why Reloading, the silent killer.
Squagga The State Protectorate 31	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:35:00 - [33] - Quote Also you posted this in the wrong section. It seems you don't know. There's a section called Feedback/Requests. It's a completely different section than General Discussion. This is where you voice your concerns about these kinds of things Reloading, the silent killer.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 106	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:39:00 - [34] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: NEEDS A BUFF. NOw before everybody starts loosing their s**... Hear me out.* The RR owns the SCR in every range. The CR owns the SCR in its own range (Each burst representing at least 96 damage{at STD level}, its a LOT more than the 79.5 per bullet a VIZIAM SCR can deal per R1 Button press) The AR still owns the SCR at Closer ranges and Spraying and praying. And both the AR and the Combat rifle are a LOT more cheaper than the Scrambler R to equip CPU/PG wise. THE SCR rifles SHOULD be at the same level as the other rifles,but as always, amarr tech has been neglected lately by CCP... There is a reason why the SCR rifle is almost completley unused nowadays. Huge disadvantages, nothing to make them worth it. AND NOW,the amarr Assault will LOOSE the bonus that increased the DPS output of the weapon! I propose a 50% REDUCTION IN HEAT BUILDUP , for charged shots. OR a PROPER SCOPE The problem isn't the scrambler rifle, its the rifle dps for all rifles. Your reasoning for the combat rifle is clever but has a fatal flaw, which is that the rof accounts for the 3 shot burst. Lets look at some rifle dps: scrambler rifle is 705 rpm 79.5 damage per bullet. combat rifle is 1200 rpm divided by 3=400 rpm of 96 damage shot dpm ScrR=705x79.5=56047.5 dpm CR=400x96=38400 dps ScrR= 56047.5/60=934.125 dps CR=38400/60=640 in addition to the scrambler rifle nearly tripling the dps of the SMG (non assault variant comes out to around 350 isn for STD) it is also capable of a charged shot capability which takes out any shield value in the game with one shot, and more. if anything, the heat buildup should be increased. Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives. https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3868	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:39:00 - [35] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: .... and I find the SCR to be a viable and useful weapon. Yet you dont main it. LET me guess why..... Ah yes.Because the OTHER rifles are better.... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3868	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:40:00 - [36] - Quote Squagga wrote: Also you posted this in the wrong section. It seems you don't know. There's a section called Feedback/Requests. It's a completely different section than General Discussion. This is where you voice your concerns about these kinds of things This is not posted on the wrong section.DISCUSSION. I posted it here to get the community's attention and opinion. (And it seems i might be wrong) Not to ask something from CCP .... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
echo47 Minmatar Republic 172	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:42:00 - [37] - Quote Here is what I think needs to be done with the Scrambler Rifle.......... nothing. In case a lot of you didn't notice all the rifles have pros and cons. Theses pros and cons cause one rifle to be better than others in certain situation and believe or not even certain maps. This is how it should be. If you play as an assault and actually assault you would benefit yourself to be proficient in all the rifles. That way when situations change on the battlefield you can adapt and use the best rifle for the job. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3868	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:43:00 - [38] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The problem isn't the scrambler rifle, its the rifle dps for all rifles. Your reasoning for the combat rifle is clever but has a fatal flaw, which is that the rof accounts for the 3 shot burst. Lets look at some rifle dps: scrambler rifle is 705 rpm 79.5 damage per bullet. combat rifle is 1200 rpm divided by 3=400 rpm of 96 damage shot dpm ScrR=705x79.5=56047.5 dpm CR=400x96=38400 dps ScrR= 56047.5/60=934.125 dps CR=38400/60=640 in addition to the scrambler rifle nearly tripling the dps of the SMG (non assault variant comes out to around 350 isn for STD) it is also capable of a charged shot capability which takes out any shield value in the game with one shot, and more. if anything, the heat buildup should be increased. Your math is pretty. +1 But the fact is=a SINGLE press of the R1 button on my controller results in more damage for my Standard Combat rifle than my Prototype SCR. Plus the CR is a LOT easier to fit. And have a more useful sight. The only true advantage is, how you mentioned the CHARGED SHOT, which WITHOUT the amarr assault bonus is not exactly the best of features since the threat of overheating mid gunfight is not very appealing. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 106	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:45:00 - [39] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Considering the Removal of the Amarr assault bonus and the Proposed BUFF i made, i think its fair. I'll leave it at this. You guys keep posting hate below. TY. Your lobbying will only unbalance the game in favor of modded controllers on amarr assaults, which would take out 100% of the variety in the game. Currently, Assault a k.0 with a viziam scrambler rifle and 3x damage mods is the top tier FOTM, and arguing that this gun, which is currently the strongest in the game, especially with aim assist, needs to be buffed is silly, and i respectfully disagree with what you are trying to do. The guns that do need a buff are the laser rifle, nova knives, plasma cannon, and also possibly the shotgun (more for hit detection and possibly range than anything else though for that one) Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives. https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8235	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:46:00 - [40] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: .... and I find the SCR to be a viable and useful weapon. Yet you dont main it. LET me guess why..... Ah yes.Because the OTHER rifles are better.... I DO main it. I have proficiency level 5 for it, It is the weapon I use the most, and the ONLY weapon I have above standard tier. Please don't make assumptions about me like that. The CR does more damage per burst than a SCR does per shot, but the SCR has higher range and charge shot ability to make up for that. In my experience, the AR can definitely get wrecked by a SCR user even in its own range. The RR right now is kind of OP in my opinion, so I don't think the fact that its better than the SCR is saying much considering its better than everything else as well. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 617	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:46:00 - [41] - Quote I think it's fine. It's probably the most balanced Rifle in the game, at the moment. I feel sympathy for the Amarrian Scum losing their heart reduction bonus, though. That's the only good thing thing those pieces of trash had in those filthy clothes they call suits. Really.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3870	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:48:00 - [42] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I DO main it. I have proficiency level 5 for it, It is the weapon I use the most, and the ONLY weapon I have above standard tier. Please don't make assumptions about me like that. The CR does more damage per burst than a SCR does per shot, but the SCR has higher range and charge shot ability to make up for that. In my experience, the AR can definitely get wrecked by a SCR user even in its own range. The RR right now is kind of OP in my opinion, so I don't think the fact that its better than the SCR is saying much considering its better than everything else as well. Hmm.I could swear you main'd something else, since last time i saw you in battle i think you were either using a CR or a RR. FOR THE WHOLE MATCH. But well. yeah its my bad assuming stuff.... ''The CR does more damage per burst than a SCR does per shot, but the SCR has higher range and charge shot ability to make up for that.'' The CR has Better fitting requirements and a 90% vs shields 110% vs armor to make up for those, not to mention a sight that works in its optimal range. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3870	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:50:00 - [43] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Considering the Removal of the Amarr assault bonus and the Proposed BUFF i made, i think its fair. I'll leave it at this. You guys keep posting hate below. TY. Your lobbying will only unbalance the game in favor of modded controllers on amarr assaults, which would take out 100% of the variety in the game. Currently, Assault a k.0 with a viziam scrambler rifle and 3x damage mods is the top tier FOTM, and arguing that this gun, which is currently the strongest in the game, especially with aim assist, needs to be buffed is silly, and i respectfully disagree with what you are trying to do. The guns that do need a buff are the laser rifle, nova knives, plasma cannon, and also possibly the shotgun (more for hit detection and possibly range than anything else though for that one) Well of course. this is in the matter of Rifle VS rifle. In the matter of Rifle vs anything else , all Rifles are overpowering. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 107	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:51:00 - [44] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The problem isn't the scrambler rifle, its the rifle dps for all rifles. Your reasoning for the combat rifle is clever but has a fatal flaw, which is that the rof accounts for the 3 shot burst. Lets look at some rifle dps: scrambler rifle is 705 rpm 79.5 damage per bullet. combat rifle is 1200 rpm divided by 3=400 rpm of 96 damage shot dpm ScrR=705x79.5=56047.5 dpm CR=400x96=38400 dps ScrR= 56047.5/60=934.125 dps CR=38400/60=640 in addition to the scrambler rifle nearly tripling the dps of the SMG (non assault variant comes out to around 350 isn for STD) it is also capable of a charged shot capability which takes out any shield value in the game with one shot, and more. if anything, the heat buildup should be increased. Your math is pretty. +1 But the fact is=a SINGLE press of the R1 button on my controller results in more damage for my Standard Combat rifle than my Prototype SCR. Plus the CR is a LOT easier to fit. And have a more useful sight. The only true advantage is, how you mentioned the CHARGED SHOT, which WITHOUT the amarr assault bonus is not exactly the best of features since the threat of overheating mid gunfight is not very appealing. I personally think that the scrambler rifle needs an overheat at 10-12 shots, but it would keep its current damage, but have the op skill increase it up to 15 shots, BUT all other rifles get a huge nerf to dps and hip fire accuracy on the non assault variants (thinking 15-20%), as well as a range nerf of 5-10% for all rifles as well. but thats just me, trying to keep TTK reasonable and allowing specialty weapons to do their jobs better than rifles Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives. https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
Echoist Fenrir's Wolves 126	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:56:00 - [45] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: At mid range the SCR can defeat AR and CR users pretty well, has the 2nd highest range, and can even work well in close range if you go about it correctly. I think its fine the way it is, and far from underpowered. I would love to have a closed style camera-sight though. The only thing that worries me is the removal of the assault bonus. Highest Drawback, Overheat mechanic. Highest PG consumption.High CPU consumption. Assault Amar loosing the heat buildup bonus. A sight that does not work in its optimal range. The ONLY rifle to have a weakness of 80% effectiveness vs something Weak in anything but 1 on 1 engagements. I mean.... There really isnt a reason to use the SCR over the RR for example. Well..it must me just me but... : / BTW this posts is based on observations and slight testing with each weapon in different scenarios. I'll be using scouts soon and i dont think i'll use the SCR anymore, doesnt mean i wont speak my mind on it. TY. Not trying to sound like a smartass but... What exactly do you guys expect from these guns? Do you want them to be the right hand of god? I use the scrambler and can say that it is the most balanced gun in this game. You just have to learn how to use the gun to your strengths. If the laser rifle can kick ass against the RR and CR then the SCR will do just fine. Pick your targets carefully you really don't have to kill every single person you see best to leave some targeys for others who are better suited for the job. Noobasaures: "Rawr" Laser Rifle Specialist, Rail Rifles... Lol fail CCP Remnant, savior of the laser rifle!!!
JL3Eleven 1585	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:59:00 - [46] - Quote lol at op. Supercorp: A corporation with the ability to shape and control events and project power on a New Eden-wide scale.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 813	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:59:00 - [47] - Quote It's been my primary weapon since the TTK debacle in 1.6 that made the LR garbage. I think it's a pretty solid weapon currently when run on an Amarr assault. I have major concerns about the Amar assault loosing its heat bonus. That's a major issue that needs to not happen. I'd also like to see all of the racial ARs (+SMG) get a base damage nerf (10%-20%) to bring TTK back inline with other weapons like the Mass Driver, LR, Flaylock, ScP, and indirectly buffing the HMG as a result (its DPS is fine, it's the racial ARs that are outperforming it). Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8238	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:00:00 - [48] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I DO main it. I have proficiency level 5 for it, It is the weapon I use the most, and the ONLY weapon I have above standard tier. Please don't make assumptions about me like that. The CR does more damage per burst than a SCR does per shot, but the SCR has higher range and charge shot ability to make up for that. In my experience, the AR can definitely get wrecked by a SCR user even in its own range. The RR right now is kind of OP in my opinion, so I don't think the fact that its better than the SCR is saying much considering its better than everything else as well. Hmm.I could swear you main'd something else, since last time i saw you in battle you were either using a CR or a RR. FOR THE WHOLE MATCH. But well. yeah its my bad assuming stuff.... ''The CR does more damage per burst than a SCR does per shot, but the SCR has higher range and charge shot ability to make up for that.'' The CR has Better fitting requirements and a 90% vs shields 110% vs armor to make up for those, not to mention a sight that works in its optimal range. I used the RR today for 2 matches, I have level 1 in the other rifles to try them (except the AR since I have an exile), but the vast majority of the weapons I use are overwhelmingly SCRs. Ask Cat Merc, Mobius Wyvern, Arkena Wyrnspire, Golthan (not sure that's how you spell his name), or Whinis if you want to check. I can't overstate how awesome the charge shot is, especially if the enemy doesn't see you, if you have cover, or know where the person is coming from (active scanner FTW). I don't think this has been said, but I rarely ever have to worry about running out of ammo with the SCR, its very ammo efficient. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Leezir Bragian Order Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:01:00 - [49] - Quote The Scrambler Rifle is perfect just the way it is
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 33	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:01:00 - [50] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: @ Lonewolf Heavy: .... stop trying to use it like a tac rifle and use it as a charge shot weapon. /You wont believe this, but i actually have some gungame with the SCR.... RR i close in fast and keep shooting because its not strong at closer ranges, /RR is VERY strong at CQ. Has Near perfect hipfire too. CR If on an assault i fall back and carefully place shots if on logi i close in /You will fall back? in the scenario there is where to fall back and IF those 1200RPM in your butt dont kill you fast enough. If not , your done. AR keep distant /And if there is no distance to be made? Like say, A in the LAbs? [/quote] Im a commando, I have the armor to absorb damage from any gun, including thale rounds so those are viable options. Also not from what ive seen with RRs, every time i close in on them they begin to do worse and my AR or SR wrecks the hell out of them (i only use standard stuff) The only times i lose to RRs are at distance CRs i dont just turn and run, i back up and shoot still. AR if there is no distance i stand my ground obviously. Thing is though, you have to pick your fights, you cant win every one. Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 107	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:02:00 - [51] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: It's been my primary weapon since the TTK debacle in 1.6 that made the LR garbage. I think it's a pretty solid weapon currently when run on an Amarr assault. I have major concerns about the Amar assault loosing its heat bonus. That's a major issue that needs to not happen. I'd also like to see all of the racial ARs (+SMG) get a base damage nerf (10%-20%) to bring TTK back inline with other weapons like the Mass Driver, LR, Flaylock, ScP, and indirectly buffing the HMG as a result (its DPS is fine, it's the racial ARs that are outperforming it). In my opinion, the SMG only needs a 5% damage nerf, as it has such close range, meaning it should retain its effectiveness in cqc, by making it have high DPS, but super low range. However, a nerf is still needed Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives. https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
Echoist Fenrir's Wolves 127	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:09:00 - [52] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: It's been my primary weapon since the TTK debacle in 1.6 that made the LR garbage. I think it's a pretty solid weapon currently when run on an Amarr assault. I have major concerns about the Amar assault loosing its heat bonus. That's a major issue that needs to not happen. I'd also like to see all of the racial ARs (+SMG) get a base damage nerf (10%-20%) to bring TTK back inline with other weapons like the Mass Driver, LR, Flaylock, ScP, and indirectly buffing the HMG as a result (its DPS is fine, it's the racial ARs that are outperforming it). Laser Rifle isn't garbage, just have to know where the good spots are on the maps. Long live the laser. Noobasaures: "Rawr" Laser Rifle Specialist, Rail Rifles... Lol fail CCP Remnant, savior of the laser rifle!!!
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 814	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:11:00 - [53] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Vell0cet wrote: It's been my primary weapon since the TTK debacle in 1.6 that made the LR garbage. I think it's a pretty solid weapon currently when run on an Amarr assault. I have major concerns about the Amar assault loosing its heat bonus. That's a major issue that needs to not happen. I'd also like to see all of the racial ARs (+SMG) get a base damage nerf (10%-20%) to bring TTK back inline with other weapons like the Mass Driver, LR, Flaylock, ScP, and indirectly buffing the HMG as a result (its DPS is fine, it's the racial ARs that are outperforming it). In my opinion, the SMG only needs a 5% damage nerf, as it has such close range, meaning it should retain its effectiveness in cqc, by making it have high DPS, but super low range. However, a nerf is still needed I think the SMG should have a TTK in line with the other sidearms like the flaylock, ScP, and the ones for 1.8. I've been gunned down with the SMG and killed before the hit markers appear on the screen. That's just too fast for a sidearm IMO, and they're ridiculously easy to use. They should of course be viable, but people are using them as primary weapons instead of finishers, which is usually an indication there is a balance problem. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 814	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:15:00 - [54] - Quote Echoist wrote: Vell0cet wrote: It's been my primary weapon since the TTK debacle in 1.6 that made the LR garbage. I think it's a pretty solid weapon currently when run on an Amarr assault. I have major concerns about the Amar assault loosing its heat bonus. That's a major issue that needs to not happen. I'd also like to see all of the racial ARs (+SMG) get a base damage nerf (10%-20%) to bring TTK back inline with other weapons like the Mass Driver, LR, Flaylock, ScP, and indirectly buffing the HMG as a result (its DPS is fine, it's the racial ARs that are outperforming it). Laser Rifle isn't garbage, just have to know where the good spots are on the maps. Long live the laser. In any situation you would want to use a LR, you would be better off with a RR. It is simply better in every way. The LR is a lot of fun, but it has some severe drawbacks that used to be offset by its significant range advantage. It is now a niche weapon without a niche. You can get kills with it, but you'd be much better off with a RR. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5794	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:19:00 - [55] - Quote Yeah... No... Pre 1.7 the only reason I had to use an AR was because it's Gallente. SCR > AR After 1.7 it's still kicking ass, just that it was outdone by the new rifles which are OP themselves. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Echoist Fenrir's Wolves 127	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:21:00 - [56] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Echoist wrote: Vell0cet wrote: It's been my primary weapon since the TTK debacle in 1.6 that made the LR garbage. I think it's a pretty solid weapon currently when run on an Amarr assault. I have major concerns about the Amar assault loosing its heat bonus. That's a major issue that needs to not happen. I'd also like to see all of the racial ARs (+SMG) get a base damage nerf (10%-20%) to bring TTK back inline with other weapons like the Mass Driver, LR, Flaylock, ScP, and indirectly buffing the HMG as a result (its DPS is fine, it's the racial ARs that are outperforming it). Laser Rifle isn't garbage, just have to know where the good spots are on the maps. Long live the laser. In any situation you would want to use a LR, you would be better off with a RR. It is simply better in every way. The LR is a lot of fun, but it has some severe drawbacks that used to be offset by its significant range advantage. It is now a niche weapon without a niche. You can get kills with it, but you'd be much better off with a RR. Maybe but its a good thing that the majority of players who use the rail rifle can't aim worth a **** if their target isn't In arms length. Would still take a laser rifle over a rail rifle any day. Mostly cause I'm just crappy at CQC engagements lol. Noobasaures: "Rawr" Laser Rifle Specialist, Rail Rifles... Lol fail CCP Remnant, savior of the laser rifle!!!
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3872	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:25:00 - [57] - Quote Well then. Seems i was wrong then. BTW @ KageWolf: ''I don't think this has been said, but I rarely ever have to worry about running out of ammo with the SCR, its very ammo efficient.'' This is VERY true,main reason the SCR + A.Scanner is one of the best Assault combinations. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 94	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:33:00 - [58] - Quote King , sometimes I agree with you but other times like this I wonder if we play the same game mate lol. Scrambler rifles are very powerful. They have that charge shot lets not forget! On top of that they are like the TAC AR of old (All be it with a little less range) but in their favour apart from having the charge shot mechanic, even on a totally non bonused suit you can spray many rounds off in cqc, you can also shoot well at range and they have a really decent size clip. Couple the scram rifle with an amarr assault suit and they are very very powerful. The TAC AR got nerfed into the ground, you see more laser rifles and even god damn burst AR`s then you do TAC AR`s. The scram rifle needs no changes. Certainly not any buffs!
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5985	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:34:00 - [59] - Quote ScR is fine IMO right now. I have no issue with it "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Dunce Masterson Savage Bullet 14	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:34:00 - [60] - Quote no other weapons have heat build up so why should amarr weapons? its time to just do away with it and the feedback damage



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