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KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3860	Posted - 2014.01.21 03:55:00 - [1] - Quote NEEDS A BUFF. NOw before everybody starts loosing their s**... Hear me out.* The RR owns the SCR in every range. The CR owns the SCR in its own range (Each burst representing at least 96 damage{at STD level}, its a LOT more than the 79.5 per bullet a VIZIAM SCR can deal per R1 Button press) The AR still owns the SCR at Closer ranges and Spraying and praying. And both the AR and the Combat rifle are a LOT more cheaper than the Scrambler R to equip CPU/PG wise. THE SCR rifles SHOULD be at the same level as the other rifles,but as always, amarr tech has been neglected lately by CCP... There is a reason why the SCR rifle is almost completley unused nowadays. Huge disadvantages, nothing to make them worth it. AND NOW,the amarr Assault will LOOSE the bonus that increased the DPS output of the weapon! I propose a 50% REDUCTION IN HEAT BUILDUP , for charged shots. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3861	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:01:00 - [2] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: And yet I went 65\6 with it today... You use an Amarr assault.Soon you wont have your Heat buildup bonus. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3863	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:11:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: CCP doesn't care about us Matari either. Just look at our suits. Your suits look pretty good to me.Specially with the new bonuses. Not to mention your combat rifle Not to mention the MAss Driver and FP that was so OP that had to be nerfed. WTH are you talking about? GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3863	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:16:00 - [4] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: At mid range the SCR can defeat AR and CR users pretty well, has the 2nd highest range, and can even work well in close range if you go about it correctly. I think its fine the way it is, and far from underpowered. I would love to have a closed style camera-sight though. The only thing that worries me is the removal of the assault bonus. Highest Drawback, Overheat mechanic. Highest PG consumption.High CPU consumption. Assault Amar loosing the heat buildup bonus. A sight that does not work in its optimal range. Weak in anything but 1 on 1 engagements. I mean.... There really isnt a reason to use the SCR over the RR for example. Well..it must me just me but... : / BTW this posts is based on observations and slight testing with each weapon in different scenarios. I'll be using scouts soon and i dont think i'll use the SCR anymore, doesnt mean i wont speak my mind on it. TY. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3863	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:17:00 - [5] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Yeah, no. Buff the AR, then we can talk. The AR is still King of Spray and Pray. I still own Groups of people with my Toxin AR.... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3863	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:18:00 - [6] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP doesn't care about us Matari either. Just look at our suits. Your suits look pretty good to me.Specially with the new bonuses. Not to mention your combat rifle Not to mention the MAss Driver and FP that was so OP that had to be nerfed. WTH are you talking about? I find it amusing how you spin being nerfed into unviability (flaylock pistol) as a positive. As for the mass driver, I can't say from experience if its viable in this build, but they're pretty much extinct. Im not saying it was nerfed into oblivion that is GOOd. Im saying it was SO GOOD that it had to be nerfed into oblivion. Same with Mass drivers.... MD is extinct as Main weapon. As Sidearm works Great XD. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3863	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:20:00 - [7] - Quote Considering the Removal of the Amarr assault bonus and the Proposed BUFF i made, i think its fair. I'll leave it at this. You guys keep posting hate below. TY. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3863	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:24:00 - [8] - Quote @ Lonewolf Heavy: .... stop trying to use it like a tac rifle and use it as a charge shot weapon. /You wont believe this, but i actually have some gungame with the SCR.... RR i close in fast and keep shooting because its not strong at closer ranges, /RR is VERY strong at CQ. Has Near perfect hipfire too. CR If on an assault i fall back and carefully place shots if on logi i close in /You will fall back? in the scenario there is where to fall back and IF those 1200RPM in your butt dont kill you fast enough. If not , your done. AR keep distant /And if there is no distance to be made? Like say, A in the LAbs? [/quote] GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3863	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:25:00 - [9] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: That would be fine if it wasn't beaten at close range by every other rifle and assault variant of said rifles. It has the highest hipfire dispersion then any other rifle...it should be the best hip fire weapon. When i use the AR i dont get beaten Close range by RR or SCR. CR do beat me most of the times thou. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3863	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:28:00 - [10] - Quote Squagga wrote: I proto'd into scrambler rifles and there have been plenty of times when I've offed myself due to overheating. I would agree that a longer build up would be good for this weapon. I also think that 50% is too much. 25%-30% would be agreeable. I also don't agree with the scope idea .. it has a reflex sight .. but then again that's my favorite sight .. so maybe I'm just biased Its 50% heat build reduction TO CHARGED SHOTS ONLY! Does anybody actually reads what i write anymore? or just get in to say ''no'' and leave? XD GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.

KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3868	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:39:00 - [11] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: .... and I find the SCR to be a viable and useful weapon. Yet you dont main it. LET me guess why..... Ah yes.Because the OTHER rifles are better.... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3868	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:40:00 - [12] - Quote Squagga wrote: Also you posted this in the wrong section. It seems you don't know. There's a section called Feedback/Requests. It's a completely different section than General Discussion. This is where you voice your concerns about these kinds of things This is not posted on the wrong section.DISCUSSION. I posted it here to get the community's attention and opinion. (And it seems i might be wrong) Not to ask something from CCP .... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3868	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:43:00 - [13] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The problem isn't the scrambler rifle, its the rifle dps for all rifles. Your reasoning for the combat rifle is clever but has a fatal flaw, which is that the rof accounts for the 3 shot burst. Lets look at some rifle dps: scrambler rifle is 705 rpm 79.5 damage per bullet. combat rifle is 1200 rpm divided by 3=400 rpm of 96 damage shot dpm ScrR=705x79.5=56047.5 dpm CR=400x96=38400 dps ScrR= 56047.5/60=934.125 dps CR=38400/60=640 in addition to the scrambler rifle nearly tripling the dps of the SMG (non assault variant comes out to around 350 isn for STD) it is also capable of a charged shot capability which takes out any shield value in the game with one shot, and more. if anything, the heat buildup should be increased. Your math is pretty. +1 But the fact is=a SINGLE press of the R1 button on my controller results in more damage for my Standard Combat rifle than my Prototype SCR. Plus the CR is a LOT easier to fit. And have a more useful sight. The only true advantage is, how you mentioned the CHARGED SHOT, which WITHOUT the amarr assault bonus is not exactly the best of features since the threat of overheating mid gunfight is not very appealing. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3870	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:48:00 - [14] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I DO main it. I have proficiency level 5 for it, It is the weapon I use the most, and the ONLY weapon I have above standard tier. Please don't make assumptions about me like that. The CR does more damage per burst than a SCR does per shot, but the SCR has higher range and charge shot ability to make up for that. In my experience, the AR can definitely get wrecked by a SCR user even in its own range. The RR right now is kind of OP in my opinion, so I don't think the fact that its better than the SCR is saying much considering its better than everything else as well. Hmm.I could swear you main'd something else, since last time i saw you in battle i think you were either using a CR or a RR. FOR THE WHOLE MATCH. But well. yeah its my bad assuming stuff.... ''The CR does more damage per burst than a SCR does per shot, but the SCR has higher range and charge shot ability to make up for that.'' The CR has Better fitting requirements and a 90% vs shields 110% vs armor to make up for those, not to mention a sight that works in its optimal range. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3870	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:50:00 - [15] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Considering the Removal of the Amarr assault bonus and the Proposed BUFF i made, i think its fair. I'll leave it at this. You guys keep posting hate below. TY. Your lobbying will only unbalance the game in favor of modded controllers on amarr assaults, which would take out 100% of the variety in the game. Currently, Assault a k.0 with a viziam scrambler rifle and 3x damage mods is the top tier FOTM, and arguing that this gun, which is currently the strongest in the game, especially with aim assist, needs to be buffed is silly, and i respectfully disagree with what you are trying to do. The guns that do need a buff are the laser rifle, nova knives, plasma cannon, and also possibly the shotgun (more for hit detection and possibly range than anything else though for that one) Well of course. this is in the matter of Rifle VS rifle. In the matter of Rifle vs anything else , all Rifles are overpowering. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3872	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:25:00 - [16] - Quote Well then. Seems i was wrong then. BTW @ KageWolf: ''I don't think this has been said, but I rarely ever have to worry about running out of ammo with the SCR, its very ammo efficient.'' This is VERY true,main reason the SCR + A.Scanner is one of the best Assault combinations. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3873	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:37:00 - [17] - Quote Echoist wrote: Dunce Masterson wrote: no other weapons have heat build up so why should amarr weapons? its time to just do away with it and the feedback damage Yeah let me fire my laser rifle for as long as i want lol, jesus i really do hope you were kidding. I could live with that ,but for balance sake the clip should be reduced to 14-16 and would need a slight RoF nerf too. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3876	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:41:00 - [18] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Dunce Masterson wrote: no other weapons have heat build up so why should amarr weapons? its time to just do away with it and the feedback damage ** no, the moment you remove the heat SCR becomes THE BEST weapon hands down. No competition what so ever. I actually like the heat mechanic. Without it the weapon would need serious rebalancing. This , but without the part o LIKING the heat mechanic :3 GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.**
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3928	Posted - 2014.01.23 01:17:00 - [19] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: You cant be serious... If you get beaten by an AR in CQC, it just means they were better than you, the AR is the most worthless Rifle right now. I actually think the SCR is the worst rifle now (still all rifles go OVER the rest of the weapons) IMO. Being the most expensive one to fit plus having the worst drawbacks while not REALLY out DPS the other ones. The Charged shot is NOT worth the risk of overheating. Again,i admitted being wrong in Page 3. It seems that even the SMALL buff i proposed would make the SCR way ''too OP'', at least the community thinks this... I'll just have to change my weapon then.... Considering the STANDARD Combat rifle hits harder PER R1 Button Press than MY Proto Scrambler rifle with Proficiency 4 (ONE R1 Button press = 1 STD Combat Rifle burst : 96 damage VS 89 damage per bullet my Viziam SCR with Proficiency 4, WITHOUT EVEN having to worry about overheating...), and that soon NO amarr suit will have the heat buildup reduction bonus, i think i'll take a NON Over-heatable weapon with better fitting cost as a Main weapon then..... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3930	Posted - 2014.01.23 01:48:00 - [20] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The problem is modded controllers on Ak.0 assaults. Also, the CR is not as good in CQC as the scrambler rifle (reflex scope versus tactical ACOG scope), as well as, in my opinion, better hip fire accuracy with the ScrR. If anything, the scrambler rifle and combat rifle should get a rof nerf so that they would achieve maximum dps at 5-6 presses per second with both, as well as a nerf to the CR, as it is easily abused as well. 5-6 presses is something achievable by most people. This would make the dps on these tactical weapons about fair to their automatic counterparts. GÖª well the problem doesnt affect me because i use a regular DS3 controller. GÖª The CR is far better than the SCR at CQ. BETTER HIPFIRE, more shots BEFORE needing to reload (or in the case of SCR, overheat) and More DPS unless you use a Charged shot, will you CANT miss or you will loose vs any other weapon due to overheat. GÖª The RoF Nerf does not sound reasonable taking in consideration that as it is, they barely keep up with the Rail Rifle and are on equal ground as the AR. Nerfing them would make them UP.Just look at the TAC and BURST AR. GÖª '' the scrambler rifle and combat rifle should get a rof nerf so that they would achieve maximum dps at 5-6 presses per second with both, as well as a nerf to the CR, as it is easily abused as well. 5-6 presses is something achievable by most people. This would make the dps on these tactical weapons about fair to their automatic counterparts'' NO NO NO NO. The automatic counterparts just press R1 and follow. DPS you calculate is not the same in Math that it is on the battlefield,where MISSING shots is a possibility. If i just spam R1 as fast as i can with both the CR and the SCR i might rist Overheat/spend a clip and not even Kill an enemy,there by more careful aiming is needed. The POTENTIAL damage these weapons have is what makes them valuable. If you nerf their DPS to ''AUTOMATIC'' level, then there will be no real reason to use any variant but the automatic! Same DPS but easier to hit with...... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.

KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3937	Posted - 2014.01.23 02:41:00 - [21] - Quote @ Atiim : thanks for the boldies. Really helped. But the new Minmatar Assault bonus is garbage. We lose 100 round clip SMGs, 15 Clip SCPs, and 9 Clip Flaylock Pistols, just to get an extra 2.5% bonus to damage mods.That's a garbage bonus, and CCP should feel bad about thinking it. -JUST An extra 2.5 on damage mods on a 5 High slot suit XD. its not a Bad bonus since it can be applied to both sidearms and light weapons! so its less specialized. Plus, lets compare: Matari: Sidearm clip size changed to : Damage modifier effectiveness. (With 2-3 cx dam mods, prof 5 any weapon will simply destroy everything) So you lost a Very good skill,but gained a good one. Amarr: 5% Heat buildup on laser weapons reduction changed to : 5% effectivness on Armor repairers. We lost an UNIQUE bonus (no other suit could replicate it) and got the worst bonus there is. OUR bonus is so crappy , that it only gets WORSE when you realize any half brained player will use at MOST 2 cx Armor reps. WE DONT HAVE 5 SLOTS to abuse the ''effectiveness'' of our module, and the difference it makes is 1.25 HP per sec on armor repairers at complex level. THIS , is a GARBAGE Bonus. Imagine, AMARR LOGIS HAD it , and even then no one use it to reach high armor rep levels...AND the logi has 4 Low slots....imagine how useless it is on the amarr assault Ak.0 with only 3 slots! now imagine how useless it is on bot hthe STD level amarr assault and the ADV level amarr assault (1 and 2 low slots respectively). Mass Drivers were only strong when you were going up against armored dropsuits, carried Flux Grenades, and/or used it in CQC/Indoor areas, which is where it's strength lies. (Also known as niche). A Mass Driver in wide open areas would almost always get shredded by ARs and SCRs. Flaylocks were OP, but CCP went way to far. They are both garbage right now. -Yes they are and they need a buff. BUT , back to the original point. Mataris dont have it as bad as Amarrians since every time you get something new, is OP into oblivion, so much that needs future nerfs... THIS was my point. The fact that as it currently stands, we the Matari have very few nice things in comparison to the Amarrian scum. -Might be true.... NOW. Because of NERFS. But as It currently stands. when Mataris get new stuff, its cool new OP stuff and then needs nerf. Amarr gets new crappy stuff. Period... XD GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3937	Posted - 2014.01.23 02:44:00 - [22] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Have you met my Scrambler Rifle? I can rip apart heavies faster than with an HMG. NO i havnt. No im not talking about heavies. Im talking in the Rifle vs Rifle scenario. No it shouldnt take to be an awesome player to be able to use a weapon correctly. Yes im a SCR user and yes im having trouble vs other rifles. Extra note: Damage mod stackers do not impress me. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3978	Posted - 2014.01.23 22:41:00 - [23] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: @ King Checkmate On paper, the ScR is the best weapon in the game. Yes, the RR and CR are strong weapons. So is the AR. But they certainly aren't better than the ScR. If you're losing to RRs and CRs, then I suspect: 1) They're getting the drop on you. 2) You're doing it wrong. 3) You're punching above your weight. I guess is fair to say i've been lossing with the SCR using a 204HP scout. (think id didnt say for obvious reasons XD,i still do VERY Good with the Assault Amarr) But still my point standed. I did great with any other Rifle variant on the same scout. IMO , ( i know many people make due without but...) The heat sink bonus loss on the amarr assault is something the SCR shoull universaly have - 25% Heat buildup to the SCR as a buff , but to not sound too pushy , i decided it would be better to buff it on charge shots only to make people use this instead of the quick R1 spam. Again almost 100% of the people think im nuts. I think its ridiculous to loose the Amarr Assault bonus, the only one thing that made he weapon work for me... As it is, happens many times, without those 25% Heat sink, i can overheat and NOT drop a MEd Frame with all shots hit.... But whatevs.... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.

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