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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3717	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:47:00 - [1] - Quote What is your opinion on the matter? With racial parity finally being achieved for dropsuits, do you believe that it is necessary? If yes, then should it be a complete refund of infantry skills (Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, and Weaponry)?; or should it simply be a Dropsuit Command refund? Why or why not? -HAND. Respecs need to happen in 1.8. End of discussion.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3717	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:48:00 - [2] - Quote Reserved because I can. Respecs need to happen in 1.8. End of discussion.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2686	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:54:00 - [3] - Quote I'm against regular respecs but a refund of the three infantry trees would go a long way towards apologizing to the players for the slow content release over the last year. I was fortunate that my two primary suits have been in for a while so my skills won't look very different but I feel for those that have had limited options for their preferred races. Just do it this last time CCP. It doesn't cost you anything. Add in a buy back of non-officer gear like you did in 1.7 to free up all that cash people have in gear they'll be skilling out of. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8133	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:57:00 - [4] - Quote I support a full respec, personally. Level 8 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10188	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:58:00 - [5] - Quote Full Infantry Respec Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Centurion mkII Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 194	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:59:00 - [6] - Quote I say Yes to a respect. Here is why. Were getting to the point now where we have all the racial types for 6 "Classes". Were finishing off 3 but now In my mind we have a sizable base. We also have 4 side arms ( maybe 5 when the patch comes out ) and now we have what 10 light weapons and 2 heavy weapons. People should now be able to choose their role freely now. Its not about choosing a new suit. Its we have a large chunk of what could be in the game and we have the most important parts ( Suits ). People can choose their roles now. To do that it requires a refund in command , upgrades and weapons. Imagine you switch races and need different module skills or different weapons because your faster or slower. Edit: Bonuses and slots ( confrimed amarr heavy/commando , minnie/gallente scout ) are changing. Your suit may no longer fit the role you had in mind and old suits now have new roles. Also keep in mind how sweeping these changes are. It isn't just one suit. Q. Doesn't this mean a respec each time something new is added? A. In the future I only for see 1 suit being added a year or maybe 1-3 weapons a year. That isn't enough justification for future respecs. You made your suit choice and the majority of people got to make their preferred weapon choice. Q. Im a heavy and I don't want to use either hmg or forge gun. A. To my knowledge ccp hasn't said yes where doing another heavy weapon. Of-course they will but they haven't described it. You don't know what it could be so what are you waiting for ? Nothing you took a risk. I do understand heavy choices are limited. So i say do a tripple sp event before the heavy weapons come out and tell us when. CCP Can't go by hand and refund all the hmg or forge skills. It would take too long.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5617	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:00:00 - [7] - Quote Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, and Weaponry refunds. Pretty much every suit is getting new slot layouts and CPU/PG numbers so this completely alters what you need to do in Dropsuit Upgrades to properly use the suit. Some suits like the Commando now pretty much require you use specific weapons if you really want to maximize effectiveness. I'm not asking for regular respecs though, ideally this would be the last respec we ever get. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1007	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:00:00 - [8] - Quote I want candy.
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 94	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:01:00 - [9] - Quote Full infantry would be nice.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2896	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:03:00 - [10] - Quote A dropsuit respec is the least we should get. No.

m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 247	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:05:00 - [11] - Quote If they are bringing in all of the racial suits (other than the pilot suits) I feel they should definitely provide players with a respec for "Dropsuit Command" and "Dropsuit Upgrades". I know a fair amount of people who run Caldari suits ONLY due to their interest in Eve and were only ever given two options but always wanted to play as a scout or heavy. Now that the Caldari will be getting all of their suits, as will all other races, people should now be given the choice if they want to respec into those suits or not. CCP built this "racial" loyalty Eve side where players were able to always pick which ships they wanted to fly from any race, players were not given that option in Dust. Now that that option exists a respec should be given to those loyalists CCP helped to mold.
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 160	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:05:00 - [12] - Quote I say Yes to an Infantry Respec WHY: 1. My alt is a Heavy/Commando, and we have had only 1 racial suit. 2. The bonuses to the logi/assault/scout suits are going to change( this toon is logi ) 3. Now the commandos have bonuses for their racial weapons. Thanjac- Proud Member of Commando 6 ARC Instructor
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 448	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:07:00 - [13] - Quote At least a refund for SP invested in the Amarr heavy tree and the Gallente/Minmatar light trees Anything more than that would be nice, but I'm not counting on it
Oswald Rehnquist 1135	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:09:00 - [14] - Quote I'm against it for 1.8 because we still haven't technically hit racial symmetry (vehicles/weapons), not only that things are going to be rebalanced again for 1.9, and people will be whining again. If we are going to have a respec, it should come with 2.0 Below 28 dB
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 515	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:09:00 - [15] - Quote I support full infantry/weapon respec. Although I don't care either way personally. I'll probably respec into the same stuff I have now anyway. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole Durka durka.... Bitch.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 247	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:09:00 - [16] - Quote I messed up :)
pdiddy anfama KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 109	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:09:00 - [17] - Quote Full SP REFUND... New suits ... New Skills ... New butt load of stuff!!! I want to go fat suit all the way... Hope I get a full refund... CCP fix PC your core game mode Blah blah blah about locking districts as long as there is frame rate drops
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3720	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:10:00 - [18] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: At least a refund for SP invested in the Amarr heavy tree and the Gallente/Minmatar light dropsuit trees Anything more than that would be nice, but I'm not counting on it If they are going to do it for some parts of the tree, then they'd have to do it for all parts of the skill tree. Fair is fair. Could you imagine how much rage, smoke, and anger the community would have if they only gave certain people a respec? And the forums... Oh god. What Would Larry Do? He'd probably drink some Quafe... Goes To Refrigerator
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 742	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:11:00 - [19] - Quote I'd say its not up to us. Refunds are only needed for the sake of the game and not the players. If they do decide that it is necessary then my guess would be only command tree will be refunded Possible the upgrades too but not strictly necessary Weapons? nope. There is still much to be added so supplying a refund to this area makes little sense. They'll only have to do it again when more is added and that isn't good for the game "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 283	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:12:00 - [20] - Quote pdiddy anfama wrote: Full SP REFUND... New suits ... New Skills ... New butt load of stuff!!! I want to go fat suit all the way... Hope I get a full refund... when they add the new suits and skill would that mean they will refund all our skills we put into weapons

Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 354	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:14:00 - [21] - Quote Heavys only respec is me being nice, since they didnt even have a second suit to try. But if it was up to me I would have no respec what so ever.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3720	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:17:00 - [22] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I'd say its not up to us. Refunds are only needed for the sake of the game and not the players. While it may not be entirely up to us, CCP has proven time and time again that they actually care about what the playerbase thinks. Sure CCP may not be the best at listening to feedback, and sometimes causes more problems then they solve; but based on their replies to ideas and threads, it would be foolish to say that CCP doesn't have at least a slight interest in what we care about. What Would Larry Do? He'd probably drink some Quafe... Goes To Refrigerator
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 633	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:20:00 - [23] - Quote Full respec or infantry respec. While some choices are still potent it sux to have a cool and unique fit getting nerfed because of major game changes. No longer a shield of Cat Merc.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10189	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:23:00 - [24] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Full respec or infantry respec. While some choices are still potent it sux to have a cool and unique fit getting nerfed because of major game changes. And how many of us thought cloaks would actually arrive in 2014, if ever? And it's not simply a new equipment, considering that scouts now directly benefit from them through their suit bonus. That alone is a huge change. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3720	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:27:00 - [25] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: I want candy. Do you consider skill point refunds as candy? What Would Larry Do? He'd probably drink some Quafe... Goes To Refrigerator
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1698	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:56:00 - [26] - Quote Well, its lime a bought a Ferrari without a Ferrari engine. Then I bought the engine. I saved up for years to afford all of it. Then the next morning my Ferrari became an F-250 and the engine could not be returned. What I mean by this is that since drop suits skills directly tie into weapons, equipment, and modules, EVERYTHING has changed. Everything except vehicles needs to be refunded BC the way every suit works has changed and now some other SP is not useful where it is. This is why an infantry-everything SP refund is in order. I don't want my stupid callogi anymore. Just gimme Cal Assault with RailRifle or a MN Assault with Creodron Shotgun and damage mods everywhere. Either way I'd be giggling. **** this stupid equipment I bought. Waste of SP now. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Hynox Xitio The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 5	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:01:00 - [27] - Quote This is an odd one, obviously people who invested in heavy or light frame suits should get their skillpoints in those skills returned, but as for a full respec, I can't say I would vouch for that. History shows us that every time a game lets players respec, the variation of playstyles and equipment becomes stagnant, as everyone generally flocks to the so-called "fit of the month," I would certainly enjoy a full respec, but its a double edged sword, and I'd be content with just getting my dropsuit skills returned.
CPL Bloodstone Neanderthal Nation 243	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:03:00 - [28] - Quote Full respec but this is the very last one. Should be communicated byCCP that this is it. No more partial respects of any kind unless ccp horribly screws something up. Woman are like bacon, They Smell , look, taste good and slowly kills men.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1056	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:07:00 - [29] - Quote Full respec, non-optional (forced) for CCP to be more effective this time.
calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1406	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:10:00 - [30] - Quote Full respec or at the very least suit and weapon SP refund. Core skills is one I can see not being refunded. Unless core skills are changing there should not be a refund in those points. TANK514 another sign of cancer in the game

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4081	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:10:00 - [31] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Well, its lime a bought a Ferrari How does one "lime" a Ferrari?
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1010	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:18:00 - [32] - Quote I also want a spectacle for my 12th birthday, which should include a bectablle, ble, wlflfl fla.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 742	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:24:00 - [33] - Quote Atiim wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I'd say its not up to us. Refunds are only needed for the sake of the game and not the players. While it may not be entirely up to us, CCP has proven time and time again that they actually care about what the playerbase thinks. Sure CCP may not be the best at listening to feedback, and sometimes causes more problems then they solve; but based on their replies to ideas and threads, it would be foolish to say that CCP doesn't have at least a slight interest in what we care about. All I'm saying is that I'm a philosopher (a platonist to be exact), and therefore hardwired to take myself out of the equation. I know CCP cares about us "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 346	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:38:00 - [34] - Quote Dropsuit Command: Absolutely. The huge shift in what each suit does is more than just "we nerfed Caldari Logistics EHP" and the huge amount of suits added (we are going from 14 to 22) makes it a necessity in my book. It is unfair to the people that were "I am Caldari so I am going to use a Caldari Sentinel" to not do it otherwise. I don't think that the changes to the suits like the Minmatar Logistics would warrant a respec on their own but when added with the Assault changes and additional suits, it means respec. Weaponry: 90% chance. Most people are in an Assault suit. Being tied to a weapon based of your suit's race means that you lose too much of a bonus in not using that weapon. So those points in weapons do not benefit from their suit's bonus are wasted. Respec would be great. Dropsuit Upgrades: I am actually kinda, sorta against this one. Regardless of what suit you are running, 5% extra Armor is 5% extra Armor. I don't see too much change here for people's skills. But if you are going to respec Dropsuit Command and Weaponry, there is little reason not to go whole hog. The concerns I see this making though are "what happens when they add all the pilot suits?", "what happens when they add the Precision Rifle, Amarr Sniper Weapon, or Caldari Shotgun?" With Assaults now getting bonuses for a VERY specific band of weapons, new weapon types added for their race that were once unavailable means they don't want the skills in the old weapon types. For example, when it comes to long range weaponry, the Caldari Sniper Rifle is really the only guy in town. So if you are a Minmatar Assault but want to Snipe, you need points in the Sniper Rifle. When the Precision Rifle comes out, is a respec given then? It is the same argument for a respec for weapons now; "I wouldn't have picked a weapon I don't get a benefit from using if I could have picked a weapon I DO get a benefit for using." Maybe they go partial refund there; "refunded points put into Sniper Rifles." Will be interesting to see.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 667	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:42:00 - [35] - Quote This discussion is so old, we know the answer already.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4102	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:46:00 - [36] - Quote They're changing my damn Logi and I want a respec so I can have one that better suits me. Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1843	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:48:00 - [37] - Quote refund dropsuit and weapon SP. Minmatar Assault. Hopeful Caldari Scout soon. praying for that respec.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10194	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:07:00 - [38] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Atiim wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I'd say its not up to us. Refunds are only needed for the sake of the game and not the players. While it may not be entirely up to us, CCP has proven time and time again that they actually care about what the playerbase thinks. Sure CCP may not be the best at listening to feedback, and sometimes causes more problems then they solve; but based on their replies to ideas and threads, it would be foolish to say that CCP doesn't have at least a slight interest in what we care about. All I'm saying is that I'm a philosopher (a platonist to be exact), and therefore hardwired to take myself out of the equation. I know CCP cares about us To be fair, it wouldn't be much of a game without its players. Repecs of any kind please faaaaar more players than they upset. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6512	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:24:00 - [39] - Quote Atiim wrote: What is your opinion on the matter? With racial parity finally being achieved for dropsuits, do you believe that it is necessary? If yes, then should it be a complete refund of infantry skills (Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, and Weaponry)?; or should it simply be a Dropsuit Command refund? Why or why not? -HAND. Considering that racial parity is likely to include sidearms as well (Magsecs, Bolt Pistols, Scrambler Pistols, and Flay Locks), I would say that there should be a refund of the weaponry SP included in that dropsuit SP refund. But then you have to consider the heavy weapons which have not seen any indication of racial parity thus far. We only have a Minmatar HMG and a Forge Gun which I'm still debating which race it belongs to although it is based on Deep Core Mining's proprietary design. Beyond that, we have not seen any indication Amarrian, Gallentean, and Caldari heavy weapons. Then there are the vehicles to consider. We have yet to see any Amarrian or Matari vehicles for that matter. I estimate that we will like receive 2-3 more partial SP refunds before FULL racial parity across the board has been established. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
CrotchGrab 360 The Men In The Mirror 1377	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:42:00 - [40] - Quote full sp respec no limits to infantry only or dropsuits only full respec

KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3828	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:54:00 - [41] - Quote Atiim wrote: What is your opinion on the matter? With racial parity finally being achieved for dropsuits, do you believe that it is necessary? If yes, then should it be a complete refund of infantry skills (Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, and Weaponry)?; or should it simply be a Dropsuit Command refund? Why or why not? -HAND. Me being a Caldari Tech fanboi and an Amarr Loyalist. My prefered style class being SCOUT. I think we need at least a DROPSUIT COMMAND skill RESPEC. I wouldnt oppose a Full infantry respec at ALL, since i have a lot of waster SP,specially while TRYING out weapons that in the end done fit my playstyle. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Clyffton Donovan Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 65	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:58:00 - [42] - Quote Do I want a full respec? You bet your sweet ass I do. However I'm not naive. I feel that there won't be a respec. I look for sometime tomorrow or wednesday they to announce that there will not be one, but since we have the triple sp event, that will allow a head start into a new suit. If my memory serves me correct, they did this with the Commando suit. The reason the vehicles got a respec is because the tree was altered, not just added to. I am trying really hard not to get myself excited for a respec, cause I know it will be beneficial to me. However, I feel that they won't give us one. Director / Combat Medic Zulu Squad Leader Invictus Maneo~ "I Remain Unvanquished"
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1070	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:33:00 - [43] - Quote No thanks. Respecs or SP refunds should only be given when skills (or the items they enable) are removed. If the skill still exists, and can still provide value, no refund should be supplied. For this specific situation, where a player has skilled into a specific dropsuit for one race and CCP release an equivalent dropsuit for another race, I would support a skill replacement, ie. my Amarr Heavy Dropsuit skills are all replaced with the same number of levels in Minmatar Heavy Dropsuit. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5639	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:41:00 - [44] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: This is an odd one, obviously people who invested in heavy or light frame suits should get their skillpoints in those skills returned, but as for a full respec, I can't say I would vouch for that. History shows us that every time a game lets players respec, the variation of playstyles and equipment becomes stagnant, as everyone generally flocks to the so-called "fit of the month," I would certainly enjoy a full respec, but its a double edged sword, and I'd be content with just getting my dropsuit skills returned. And what is the so called fit of the month if we were to get a full infantry respec? Everyone seems to be gravitating towards a wide variety of things, there's not one particular fit that looks OP this time. And of course part of the reason we saw FOTM problems in past respecs was because there was so little for anyone to actually skill into in the first place. I do not see this being a problem. And regardless, this respec is 100% warranted and would be the last respec we ever get (unless something goes horribly, horribly wrong), so it needs to happen whether there is a potential FOTM problem or not. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5639	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:46:00 - [45] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: For this specific situation, where a player has skilled into a specific dropsuit for one race and CCP release an equivalent dropsuit for another race, I would support a skill replacement, ie. my Amarr Heavy Dropsuit skills are all replaced with the same number of levels in Minmatar Heavy Dropsuit. That would be too labor intensive and CCP frankly doesn't have time for that, as proven last time they tried non-forced respecs. And now you're adding an extra element that it has to go specifically towards another skill. This won't happen. CCP is far more likely to simply give everyone a forced respec and be done with it and never have to worry about respecs ever again. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3729	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:48:00 - [46] - Quote RKKR wrote: This discussion is so old, we know the answer already. But does CCP know the answer? Almost every time someone talks about how they need and/or want an SP refund in 1.8, it was either scattered throughout the thread(s) or generally off-topic. The purpose of this thread is to collect the the community's general consensus of whether or not CCP giving SP refunds in Uprising 1.8 is a good idea. What Would Larry Do? He'd probably drink some Quafe... Goes To Refrigerator
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5643	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:55:00 - [47] - Quote Atiim wrote: RKKR wrote: This discussion is so old, we know the answer already. But does CCP know the answer? Almost every time someone talks about how they need and/or want an SP refund in 1.8, it was either scattered throughout the thread(s) or generally off-topic. The purpose of this thread is to collect the the community's general consensus of whether or not CCP giving SP refunds in Uprising 1.8 is a good idea. I'm fairly certain CCP has already made up their mind on what they are doing in terms of respecs, but aren't telling us yet because they are the ultimate trolls* And also because it is still not guaranteed that all these things are coming in Uprising 1.8. As we saw pretty recently with the Caldari Production Facility, things can get pushed back even at the last minute. They're probably waiting on telling us anything about respecs until they know for sure they can get all this stuff out in the next update. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Sports Dude WarRavens League of Infamy 269	Posted - 2014.01.21 00:00:00 - [48] - Quote I support either a full respec or a full Infantry only respec.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3269	Posted - 2014.01.21 00:10:00 - [49] - Quote Infantry skills I think. Historically, I've been against respecs altogether. Though I used to say, maybe another when the rest of the suits come out, and that appears to be happening. It's more than that though, the existing suits are changing: bonuses, slots, and stats. That's all the suits are to begin with (bonuses, slots, stats). If it's going to be a completely different suit from what we originally skilled into, then on what grounds should we be expected to keep those skills? It's not "what we picked". Just the name is the same. It seems like the nature of the tanking philosophy on the Amarr suits is changing even. Considering the upgrades/weapons we pick are often tied to our suit choices... Yeah, I'd support a respec for this. Join my cult.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10205	Posted - 2014.01.21 03:01:00 - [50] - Quote I'm just hoping CCP does the right thing, if there's no infantry respec you all can breath a sigh of relief because I'll be putting this game down for a while and staying off these forums. I know that just changed a few peoples votes to no respec Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3745	Posted - 2014.01.21 07:44:00 - [51] - Quote Anymore thoughts? Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5710	Posted - 2014.01.21 07:55:00 - [52] - Quote Atiim wrote: Anymore thoughts? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40zjfBk5vEE&t=39m42s CCP's response here, stating that the community will ask for respecs, but it is disruptive so they want to pile them together, sure as hell sounds like they are going to be doing respecs. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1278	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:00:00 - [53] - Quote I'm usually against respecs for anything other than radical reworks. I don't think the new changes or added suits necessarily warrant a respec on their own, but with the suit and weapon rebalancing and vastly improved hit detection, I think it will be far less likely everyone will jump onto one suit and weapon, and people can spec into the suits they've been waiting for. I personally only have about 2 mil of 28 mil SP invested in skills I either don't use or rarely use, and I have almost 2 mil saved unallocated, so a respec wouldn't change much for me, I'd just be a bit more efficient. If there is a refund on SP for all three infantry trees I plan on speccing into straight Gallente, the only exceptions being equipment because I'm a logi, and hybrid weapons Gallente also specialize in them. Gal Fac war will be my new home. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
Cooper Eudaemon DUST University Ivy League 119	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:04:00 - [54] - Quote We haven't heard anything to indicate they will or won't be redoing the skill trees, so I think it's presumptive to assume they will remain the way they are. Aside from that, the massive scope of this content release more than merits a respec. I think it should be done exactly the way they just did for vehicles--Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, and Weapons. People will have the option to completely change their playstyles with this release, and they deserve the opportunity to do so. I need a break from Dust! I'll just go hop on the forums... I need a break from the forums! I'll just go hop on Dust...
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1061	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:09:00 - [55] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'm just hoping CCP does the right thing, if there's no infantry respec you all can breath a sigh of relief because I'll be putting this game down for a while and staying off these forums. I know that just changed a few peoples votes to no respec Would be sad to lose one of the Dust 514 youtubers, indeed. Respec it is.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1061	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:13:00 - [56] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Atiim wrote: Anymore thoughts? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40zjfBk5vEE&t=39m42s CCP's response here, stating that the community will ask for respecs, but it is disruptive so they want to pile them together, sure as hell sounds like they are going to be doing respecs. This is also where they say that BPOs are bad for the economy. While at the same time allowing people to lock PC districs and make millions of ISK.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1474	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:19:00 - [57] - Quote A full refund of the Dropsuit Operations, Dropsuit Upgrades and Weaponry skill trees is completely reasonable right now. The Vehicle and Corporation Skill trees don't need a refund, because the Vehicle skill trees juts got one in the release of 1.7, and there is no reason to refund Corp. based skills because corporations aren't being changed because of the additions 1.8 will bring. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1474	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:20:00 - [58] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'm just hoping CCP does the right thing, if there's no infantry respec you all can breath a sigh of relief because I'll be putting this game down for a while and staying off these forums. I know that just changed a few peoples votes to no respec You'll need GJR to threaten that in order to change minds... No offense, we just don't like you as much as him. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 149	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:24:00 - [59] - Quote Full respec, please. I'll go caldari dropsuits: 1st protologi, 2nd proto cores, 3rd adv heavy and scout, 4th some weapons combat rifle(lvl4), sniper(lvl5+3), adv HMG and SMG Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro
Munin-Frey Fish Spotters Inc. 92	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:25:00 - [60] - Quote I enjoy the occasional respec and think they are good for the game. It is a very real grind to amass skill points and it isn't as fun to save them up for when CCP finally adds the content you've been waiting for all this time. I personally don't understand why everyone doesn't think they are a good thing....... If you don't want to respec then put all your points back where they were. The rest of us don't want to have skill trees filled with wasted points for things we tried while we were waiting. Closed Beta Veteran

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1072	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:51:00 - [61] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: I personally only have about 2 mil of 28 mil SP invested in skills I either don't use or rarely use, and I have almost 2 mil saved unallocated, so a respec wouldn't change much for me, I'd just be a bit more efficient. having sp invested in stuff you dont use because you decided for you that you dont like it is not the same as having skills in stuff I didnt want but had not other choice because there was no equivalent for other races. or do you suggest me I should just dont spent my SP when I want a minmatar heavy suit and had a long year old grind without any beneft till CCP finally releases the other suits? this is also not the same as having SP invested in certain equipment and a specific logi and then see that the logi gets a bonus on the next patch for stuff that I have zero SP with. this is also not the same as the fact that some fits wont be viable any more next patch, pretty much making alot of specialized characters useless till the player grinds his way through into new stuff AGAIN. do you consider the core mechanic changes every patch that devalue your spent SP and force you into grinds and certain playstyles fun?
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 372	Posted - 2014.01.21 09:00:00 - [62] - Quote In a purist philosophical sense I am against respecs because it encourages FOTM jumping. However, at this point the game is so scrambled and player-base so low that practicality trumps idealism and I just put aside my objections and say "screw it, keeping players is more important than being right".
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 124	Posted - 2014.01.21 09:09:00 - [63] - Quote I swear if there is a respec, and I accidentally pick the OP suit because it fits my playstyle or race choice again, and it gets nerfed without a respec again, I won't be the least bit surprised. I support a respec of all infantry related skills so I can spend my Proficiency 4 GAR on the Rail rifle so I don't have wasted SP due to CCP slowness to release. Also my Logi suits bonus's are being changed again. Calogi still is worst at Logi, and now my Amarr Logi doesn't even get reps bonus that I got it for. I guess if this doesn't happen I can try making a Cloaking Calogi with a shotgun. "Nice House you have here Gallente, you can just feel the Freedom." -Looks in Closet- "Dear God"
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 338	Posted - 2014.01.21 09:13:00 - [64] - Quote dropsuit only respec "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 578	Posted - 2014.01.21 09:41:00 - [65] - Quote I'm probably one of the few people that don't really mind either way - I wasted a few points in logistics that I could want back, but I have pretty much everything in dropsuit upgrades, and have enough skill points saved up to spec into the newer suits when they arrive, so it won't make a difference to me. Having said that will they be refunding the ISK for the items we have in stock? That would be neat.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3801	Posted - 2014.01.22 14:49:00 - [66] - Quote Bump. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Kara Anschel Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 19	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:21:00 - [67] - Quote As someone whose been waiting for gallente heavy for forever and a day, I fully support a respec. Being forced to play Amarr because they couldn't release the three others isn't fun at all.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10237	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:49:00 - [68] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: dropsuit only respec Allows everyone to switch suit and role except heavies, who can't use their heavy weapons on any other kind of frame. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 328	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:04:00 - [69] - Quote Atiim wrote: What is your opinion on the matter? With racial parity finally being achieved for dropsuits, do you believe that it is necessary? If yes, then should it be a complete refund of infantry skills (Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, and Weaponry)?; or should it simply be a Dropsuit Command refund? Why or why not? -HAND. I believe that a free respec should occur once they finalize all the verisimilitude for each of the four races. Meaning once the basic, or core, items, equipment, vehicles, turrets, and locations are done for ALL FOUR races and not just two. Right now they are taking the first real big step to doing that with the dropsuits, but there is still only vehicles and vehicle weapons (and thus turret weapons) for only the Caldari and Gallente races. Included with that is that there are still only city sockets for Caldari and Gallente races as well. No real Amarr or Minmatar feel in this game at all. So once they finish the verisimilitude, then one "free" respec for all players (that would be optional). And then do something like paid ones there after: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread
pdiddy anfama KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 110	Posted - 2014.01.24 16:13:00 - [70] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: pdiddy anfama wrote: Full SP REFUND... New suits ... New Skills ... New butt load of stuff!!! I want to go fat suit all the way... Hope I get a full refund... when they add the new suits and skill would that mean they will refund all our skills we put into weapons I would hope so. CCP fix PC your core game mode Blah blah blah about locking districts as long as there is frame rate drops

Heimdallr69 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1457	Posted - 2014.01.24 16:20:00 - [71] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: pdiddy anfama wrote: Full SP REFUND... New suits ... New Skills ... New butt load of stuff!!! I want to go fat suit all the way... Hope I get a full refund... when they add the new suits and skill would that mean they will refund all our skills we put into weapons I'd hope so I have all rifles pro 5 and only use combat and rail.. And equipment will suck so how does that effect a single slot assault? Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 788	Posted - 2014.01.24 16:24:00 - [72] - Quote I support a complete 100% SP respec for everyone. This negates most bitching / whining. *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 52	Posted - 2014.01.24 16:26:00 - [73] - Quote I support full respec for everyone who want it. After changes ingame, patching and implementation it should be esencial. If they change mechanique of game, its just logical step. Support - Tactician/Support
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 243	Posted - 2014.01.24 16:32:00 - [74] - Quote I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them. TL;DR Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 179	Posted - 2014.01.24 16:38:00 - [75] - Quote Dropsuit Command respec only. The case for Weapons can be made, but the issue is the suit bonuses, not the weapons themselves. Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
Heimdallr69 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1457	Posted - 2014.01.24 16:45:00 - [76] - Quote Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them. TL;DR Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh. I agree I don't want to have to go back and find out what I specced into, but weapons and dropsuits will be easy. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3885	Posted - 2014.01.24 16:49:00 - [77] - Quote How about we just make the SP refund optional then? Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 55	Posted - 2014.01.24 16:51:00 - [78] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them. TL;DR Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh. I agree I don't want to have to go back and find out what I specced into, but weapons and dropsuits will be easy. Honesly?! Skill tree is not that big, everyone know in what they specced. Even me and iam one of hell noob here from beta time. Support - Tactician/Support
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 245	Posted - 2014.01.24 16:53:00 - [79] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them. TL;DR Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh. I agree I don't want to have to go back and find out what I specced into, but weapons and dropsuits will be easy. Honesly?! Skill tree is not that big, everyone know in what they specced. Even me and iam one of hell noob here from beta time. Buddy, when you've specced into as much **** as I have and have more important things to remember than what they are, you tend to lose track. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 747	Posted - 2014.01.24 16:56:00 - [80] - Quote Awesome Pantaloons wrote: Buddy, when you've specced into as much **** as I have and have more important things to remember than what they are, you tend to lose track. If you can't remember, then you probably don't need it or it wasn't that important to begin with. If it really -is- important then you'll remember later on and skill into it again ;)

Heimdallr69 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1458	Posted - 2014.01.24 16:56:00 - [81] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them. TL;DR Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh. I agree I don't want to have to go back and find out what I specced into, but weapons and dropsuits will be easy. Honesly?! Skill tree is not that big, everyone know in what they specced. Even me and iam one of hell noob here from beta time. I've specced a lot of stuff. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 55	Posted - 2014.01.24 16:57:00 - [82] - Quote Awesome Pantaloons wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them. TL;DR Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh. I agree I don't want to have to go back and find out what I specced into, but weapons and dropsuits will be easy. Honesly?! Skill tree is not that big, everyone know in what they specced. Even me and iam one of hell noob here from beta time. Buddy, when you've specced into as much **** as I have and have more important things to remember than what they are, you tend to lose track. First of all, iam not your buddy, because i just know you. But if its difficult for you, just make it optional. People who dont know in what they specced and they dont need it will be fine and people who want respec either. Easy and simple. Support - Tactician/Support
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3885	Posted - 2014.01.24 16:57:00 - [83] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them. TL;DR Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh. I agree I don't want to have to go back and find out what I specced into, but weapons and dropsuits will be easy. Honesly?! Skill tree is not that big, everyone know in what they specced. Even me and iam one of hell noob here from beta time. It's kinda hard to keep track once you reach 15mil. SP. Let's not even talk about when you get 30mil. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 55	Posted - 2014.01.24 17:00:00 - [84] - Quote Atiim wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them. TL;DR Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh. I agree I don't want to have to go back and find out what I specced into, but weapons and dropsuits will be easy. Honesly?! Skill tree is not that big, everyone know in what they specced. Even me and iam one of hell noob here from beta time. It's kinda hard to keep track once you reach 15mil. SP. Let's not even talk about when you get 30mil. Its really difficult for me understand it, but how i told that higher. Just make it optional, if you dont need it you will be fine and if you need it, oki there is your respec. Easy and simple. Support - Tactician/Support
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 245	Posted - 2014.01.24 17:03:00 - [85] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Atiim wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them. TL;DR Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh. I agree I don't want to have to go back and find out what I specced into, but weapons and dropsuits will be easy. Honesly?! Skill tree is not that big, everyone know in what they specced. Even me and iam one of hell noob here from beta time. It's kinda hard to keep track once you reach 15mil. SP. Let's not even talk about when you get 30mil. Its really difficult for me understand it, but how i told that higher. Just make it optional, if you dont need it you will be fine and if you need it, oki there is your respec. Easy and simple. You don't have to understand. I have my opinions and you have yours. No one is wrong, just disagreeing. Maybe when you get up to that much SP you'll understand our position a little better. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3348	Posted - 2014.01.24 17:13:00 - [86] - Quote I strongly believe that sp should be refunded for all dropsuits and all weapons. I'm currently stuck with an smg and scr while I have always wanted a rail rifle and magsec smg. I couldn't because they weren't out yet. Same thing for the suit, I want a caldari scout but I'm stuck with a caldari assault... The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game. Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 210	Posted - 2014.01.24 17:49:00 - [87] - Quote My guess is infantry respec to match the vehicle respec of 1.7. When we do get racial parity with heavy weapons, they will add them like the cr and rr. The player base is too small to force 1.8 on us without a respec. Dust can't afford to lose 1000 players (which is probably a low guess) if they don't respec us. I know without a respec, if 1.7 was any indication, I will be quitting dust. I don't have it in me to grind another 2 months in UP gear while getting wrecked by scouts and commandos.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5926	Posted - 2014.01.24 18:32:00 - [88] - Quote Have a respec, but don't touch my Balac's Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Anoko Destrolock Crimson Saints 33	Posted - 2014.01.24 21:04:00 - [89] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: I'm against regular respecs but a refund of the three infantry trees would go a long way towards apologizing to the players for the slow content release over the last year. I was fortunate that my two primary suits have been in for a while so my skills won't look very different but I feel for those that have had limited options for their preferred races. Just do it this last time CCP. It doesn't cost you anything. Add in a buy back of non-officer gear like you did in 1.7 to free up all that cash people have in gear they'll be skilling out of. +1
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3890	Posted - 2014.01.24 21:09:00 - [90] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Have a respec, but don't touch my Balac's If officer weapons and other things that aren't in the market are removed from our inventories, there would be another Burn Jita. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons

Orin the Freak The Solecism of Limitation 692	Posted - 2014.01.24 21:21:00 - [91] - Quote I made mistakes, like going into mass driver, and profile dampening (new GAL Logi makes profile damp on anything other than scouts useless). I also need to change my race loyalty from my beloved Minmatar, to the superior god-race Gallente, like so many others will undoubtedly do. why not just give all the bonuses to gallente, and delete the other races? :P (exaggeration.. maybe?)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3890	Posted - 2014.01.24 21:25:00 - [92] - Quote Orin the Freak wrote: I made mistakes, like going into mass driver, and profile dampening (new GAL Logi makes profile damp on anything other than scouts useless). I also need to change my race loyalty from my beloved Minmatar, to the superior god-race Gallente, like so many others will undoubtedly do. why not just give all the bonuses to gallente, and delete the other races? :P (exaggeration.. maybe?) While I too am a Matari loyalist, I think that you should stick to the Minmatar gear. You know the Gallente suits will be nerfed eventually if they become out of hand. Any thier won't be a respec to save you you. Plus, it works wonders when deciding what to spend LP on. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
manboar thunder fist SAM-MIK 21	Posted - 2014.01.24 21:57:00 - [93] - Quote I support a full respec ask feel that people are now at a point where effectively the time they have spent playing and earning this sp has been "stolen" and effectively reshaped into something they dont necessarily want. For example alot of people went into amarr heavys as they were the only heavys, or gallente logis if they had no skill/ jk jk, or caldari if they liked 900 ehp in quick burst healing shields, lol trolls aside. Ppl specced into stuff they ... Didnt... Really.. Spec into.... If a product description changes then current investments need to reflect that... You can't have a company selling "roses" and then one month later they say all pre ordered roses have been changed to tulips.... Hehe, the likening makes sense... Right? ..... Right? O.o Amarr logi > tank As long as its a bad aiming railgun with no defense mods. ;)


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