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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.21 08:51:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:
I personally only have about 2 mil of 28 mil SP invested in skills I either don't use or rarely use, and I have almost 2 mil saved unallocated, so a respec wouldn't change much for me, I'd just be a bit more efficient.
having sp invested in stuff you dont use because you decided for you that you dont like it is not the same as having skills in stuff I didnt want but had not other choice because there was no equivalent for other races. or do you suggest me I should just dont spent my SP when I want a minmatar heavy suit and had a long year old grind without any beneft till CCP finally releases the other suits?
this is also not the same as having SP invested in certain equipment and a specific logi and then see that the logi gets a bonus on the next patch for stuff that I have zero SP with.
this is also not the same as the fact that some fits wont be viable any more next patch, pretty much making alot of specialized characters useless till the player grinds his way through into new stuff AGAIN.
do you consider the core mechanic changes every patch that devalue your spent SP and force you into grinds and certain playstyles fun?
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Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
372
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Posted - 2014.01.21 09:00:00 -
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In a purist philosophical sense I am against respecs because it encourages FOTM jumping.
However, at this point the game is so scrambled and player-base so low that practicality trumps idealism and I just put aside my objections and say "screw it, keeping players is more important than being right". |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
124
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Posted - 2014.01.21 09:09:00 -
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I swear if there is a respec, and I accidentally pick the OP suit because it fits my playstyle or race choice again, and it gets nerfed without a respec again, I won't be the least bit surprised.
I support a respec of all infantry related skills so I can spend my Proficiency 4 GAR on the Rail rifle so I don't have wasted SP due to CCP slowness to release. Also my Logi suits bonus's are being changed again. Calogi still is worst at Logi, and now my Amarr Logi doesn't even get reps bonus that I got it for.
I guess if this doesn't happen I can try making a Cloaking Calogi with a shotgun.
"Nice House you have here Gallente, you can just feel the Freedom."
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"Dear God"
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Jackof All-Trades
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
338
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Posted - 2014.01.21 09:13:00 -
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dropsuit only respec
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
578
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Posted - 2014.01.21 09:41:00 -
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I'm probably one of the few people that don't really mind either way - I wasted a few points in logistics that I could want back, but I have pretty much everything in dropsuit upgrades, and have enough skill points saved up to spec into the newer suits when they arrive, so it won't make a difference to me. Having said that will they be refunding the ISK for the items we have in stock? That would be neat. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3801
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Posted - 2014.01.22 14:49:00 -
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Bump.
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Kara Anschel
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
19
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Posted - 2014.01.22 15:21:00 -
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As someone whose been waiting for gallente heavy for forever and a day, I fully support a respec. Being forced to play Amarr because they couldn't release the three others isn't fun at all. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
10237
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Posted - 2014.01.22 15:49:00 -
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Jackof All-Trades wrote:dropsuit only respec
Allows everyone to switch suit and role except heavies, who can't use their heavy weapons on any other kind of frame.
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
328
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Posted - 2014.01.22 16:04:00 -
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Atiim wrote:What is your opinion on the matter?
With racial parity finally being achieved for dropsuits, do you believe that it is necessary?
If yes, then should it be a complete refund of infantry skills (Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, and Weaponry)?; or should it simply be a Dropsuit Command refund?
Why or why not?
-HAND.
I believe that a free respec should occur once they finalize all the verisimilitude for each of the four races. Meaning once the basic, or core, items, equipment, vehicles, turrets, and locations are done for ALL FOUR races and not just two. Right now they are taking the first real big step to doing that with the dropsuits, but there is still only vehicles and vehicle weapons (and thus turret weapons) for only the Caldari and Gallente races. Included with that is that there are still only city sockets for Caldari and Gallente races as well. No real Amarr or Minmatar feel in this game at all.
So once they finish the verisimilitude, then one "free" respec for all players (that would be optional). And then do something like paid ones there after:
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pdiddy anfama
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
110
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:13:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:pdiddy anfama wrote:Full SP REFUND... New suits ... New Skills ... New butt load of stuff!!! I want to go fat suit all the way... Hope I get a full refund... when they add the new suits and skill would that mean they will refund all our skills we put into weapons
I would hope so.
CCP fix PC your core game mode
Blah blah blah about locking districts as long as there is frame rate drops
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Heimdallr69
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1457
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:20:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:pdiddy anfama wrote:Full SP REFUND... New suits ... New Skills ... New butt load of stuff!!! I want to go fat suit all the way... Hope I get a full refund... when they add the new suits and skill would that mean they will refund all our skills we put into weapons
I'd hope so I have all rifles pro 5 and only use combat and rail.. And equipment will suck so how does that effect a single slot assault?
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Maximus Stryker
Who Are Those Guys
788
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:24:00 -
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I support a complete 100% SP respec for everyone. This negates most bitching / whining.
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
52
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:26:00 -
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I support full respec for everyone who want it.
After changes ingame, patching and implementation it should be esencial.
If they change mechanique of game, its just logical step.
Support - Tactician/Support
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Awesome Pantaloons
Lokapalas.
243
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:32:00 -
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I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them.
TL;DR
Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Malek McRoland
DUST University
Ivy League
179
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:38:00 -
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Dropsuit Command respec only. The case for Weapons can be made, but the issue is the suit bonuses, not the weapons themselves.
Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter
Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
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Heimdallr69
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1457
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:45:00 -
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Awesome Pantaloons wrote:I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them.
TL;DR
Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh.
I agree I don't want to have to go back and find out what I specced into, but weapons and dropsuits will be easy.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3885
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:49:00 -
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How about we just make the SP refund optional then?
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
55
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:51:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Awesome Pantaloons wrote:I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them.
TL;DR
Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh. I agree I don't want to have to go back and find out what I specced into, but weapons and dropsuits will be easy.
Honesly?!
Skill tree is not that big, everyone know in what they specced.
Even me and iam one of hell noob here from beta time.
Support - Tactician/Support
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Awesome Pantaloons
Lokapalas.
245
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:53:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Awesome Pantaloons wrote:I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them.
TL;DR
Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh. I agree I don't want to have to go back and find out what I specced into, but weapons and dropsuits will be easy. Honesly?! Skill tree is not that big, everyone know in what they specced. Even me and iam one of hell noob here from beta time.
Buddy, when you've specced into as much **** as I have and have more important things to remember than what they are, you tend to lose track.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
747
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:56:00 -
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Awesome Pantaloons wrote:
Buddy, when you've specced into as much **** as I have and have more important things to remember than what they are, you tend to lose track.
If you can't remember, then you probably don't need it or it wasn't that important to begin with. If it really -is- important then you'll remember later on and skill into it again ;) |
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Heimdallr69
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1458
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:56:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Awesome Pantaloons wrote:I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them.
TL;DR
Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh. I agree I don't want to have to go back and find out what I specced into, but weapons and dropsuits will be easy. Honesly?! Skill tree is not that big, everyone know in what they specced. Even me and iam one of hell noob here from beta time.
I've specced a lot of stuff.
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
55
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:57:00 -
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Awesome Pantaloons wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Awesome Pantaloons wrote:I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them.
TL;DR
Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh. I agree I don't want to have to go back and find out what I specced into, but weapons and dropsuits will be easy. Honesly?! Skill tree is not that big, everyone know in what they specced. Even me and iam one of hell noob here from beta time. Buddy, when you've specced into as much **** as I have and have more important things to remember than what they are, you tend to lose track.
First of all, iam not your buddy, because i just know you. But if its difficult for you, just make it optional. People who dont know in what they specced and they dont need it will be fine and people who want respec either. Easy and simple.
Support - Tactician/Support
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3885
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:57:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Awesome Pantaloons wrote:I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them.
TL;DR
Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh. I agree I don't want to have to go back and find out what I specced into, but weapons and dropsuits will be easy. Honesly?! Skill tree is not that big, everyone know in what they specced. Even me and iam one of hell noob here from beta time.
It's kinda hard to keep track once you reach 15mil. SP. Let's not even talk about when you get 30mil.
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
55
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:00:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Awesome Pantaloons wrote:I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them.
TL;DR
Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh. I agree I don't want to have to go back and find out what I specced into, but weapons and dropsuits will be easy. Honesly?! Skill tree is not that big, everyone know in what they specced. Even me and iam one of hell noob here from beta time. It's kinda hard to keep track once you reach 15mil. SP. Let's not even talk about when you get 30mil.
Its really difficult for me understand it, but how i told that higher.
Just make it optional, if you dont need it you will be fine and if you need it, oki there is your respec.
Easy and simple.
Support - Tactician/Support
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Awesome Pantaloons
Lokapalas.
245
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:03:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:Atiim wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Awesome Pantaloons wrote:I have some clashing opinions on this matter. I honestly don't care what every one else does with their points, but I think if the limited amount of suits available before had forced people to spec into things across the board that they otherwise would not have, a full respec would be nice. On the other hand, I've carefully progressed and skilled mostly into the things that I wanted and it would be a huge hassle to respec. I think I would prefer a suit and weapon respec but let them leave upgrades be. Upgrades are good, no matter how you skilled into them.
TL;DR
Dropsuits and weapons, yes. Upgrades, meh. I agree I don't want to have to go back and find out what I specced into, but weapons and dropsuits will be easy. Honesly?! Skill tree is not that big, everyone know in what they specced. Even me and iam one of hell noob here from beta time. It's kinda hard to keep track once you reach 15mil. SP. Let's not even talk about when you get 30mil. Its really difficult for me understand it, but how i told that higher. Just make it optional, if you dont need it you will be fine and if you need it, oki there is your respec. Easy and simple.
You don't have to understand. I have my opinions and you have yours. No one is wrong, just disagreeing. Maybe when you get up to that much SP you'll understand our position a little better.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
3348
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:13:00 -
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I strongly believe that sp should be refunded for all dropsuits and all weapons. I'm currently stuck with an smg and scr while I have always wanted a rail rifle and magsec smg. I couldn't because they weren't out yet. Same thing for the suit, I want a caldari scout but I'm stuck with a caldari assault...
The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game.
Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
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Drapedup Drippedout
0uter.Heaven
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
210
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:49:00 -
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My guess is infantry respec to match the vehicle respec of 1.7.
When we do get racial parity with heavy weapons, they will add them like the cr and rr. The player base is too small to force 1.8 on us without a respec. Dust can't afford to lose 1000 players (which is probably a low guess) if they don't respec us. I know without a respec, if 1.7 was any indication, I will be quitting dust. I don't have it in me to grind another 2 months in UP gear while getting wrecked by scouts and commandos. |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
5926
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:32:00 -
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Have a respec, but don't touch my Balac's 
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Anoko Destrolock
Crimson Saints
33
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Posted - 2014.01.24 21:04:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:I'm against regular respecs but a refund of the three infantry trees would go a long way towards apologizing to the players for the slow content release over the last year. I was fortunate that my two primary suits have been in for a while so my skills won't look very different but I feel for those that have had limited options for their preferred races.
Just do it this last time CCP. It doesn't cost you anything. Add in a buy back of non-officer gear like you did in 1.7 to free up all that cash people have in gear they'll be skilling out of.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3890
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Posted - 2014.01.24 21:09:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Have a respec, but don't touch my Balac's
If officer weapons and other things that aren't in the market are removed from our inventories, there would be another Burn Jita.
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