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Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4081	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:10:00 - [31] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Well, its lime a bought a Ferrari How does one "lime" a Ferrari?
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1010	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:18:00 - [32] - Quote I also want a spectacle for my 12th birthday, which should include a bectablle, ble, wlflfl fla.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 742	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:24:00 - [33] - Quote Atiim wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I'd say its not up to us. Refunds are only needed for the sake of the game and not the players. While it may not be entirely up to us, CCP has proven time and time again that they actually care about what the playerbase thinks. Sure CCP may not be the best at listening to feedback, and sometimes causes more problems then they solve; but based on their replies to ideas and threads, it would be foolish to say that CCP doesn't have at least a slight interest in what we care about. All I'm saying is that I'm a philosopher (a platonist to be exact), and therefore hardwired to take myself out of the equation. I know CCP cares about us "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 346	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:38:00 - [34] - Quote Dropsuit Command: Absolutely. The huge shift in what each suit does is more than just "we nerfed Caldari Logistics EHP" and the huge amount of suits added (we are going from 14 to 22) makes it a necessity in my book. It is unfair to the people that were "I am Caldari so I am going to use a Caldari Sentinel" to not do it otherwise. I don't think that the changes to the suits like the Minmatar Logistics would warrant a respec on their own but when added with the Assault changes and additional suits, it means respec. Weaponry: 90% chance. Most people are in an Assault suit. Being tied to a weapon based of your suit's race means that you lose too much of a bonus in not using that weapon. So those points in weapons do not benefit from their suit's bonus are wasted. Respec would be great. Dropsuit Upgrades: I am actually kinda, sorta against this one. Regardless of what suit you are running, 5% extra Armor is 5% extra Armor. I don't see too much change here for people's skills. But if you are going to respec Dropsuit Command and Weaponry, there is little reason not to go whole hog. The concerns I see this making though are "what happens when they add all the pilot suits?", "what happens when they add the Precision Rifle, Amarr Sniper Weapon, or Caldari Shotgun?" With Assaults now getting bonuses for a VERY specific band of weapons, new weapon types added for their race that were once unavailable means they don't want the skills in the old weapon types. For example, when it comes to long range weaponry, the Caldari Sniper Rifle is really the only guy in town. So if you are a Minmatar Assault but want to Snipe, you need points in the Sniper Rifle. When the Precision Rifle comes out, is a respec given then? It is the same argument for a respec for weapons now; "I wouldn't have picked a weapon I don't get a benefit from using if I could have picked a weapon I DO get a benefit for using." Maybe they go partial refund there; "refunded points put into Sniper Rifles." Will be interesting to see.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 667	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:42:00 - [35] - Quote This discussion is so old, we know the answer already.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4102	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:46:00 - [36] - Quote They're changing my damn Logi and I want a respec so I can have one that better suits me. Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1843	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:48:00 - [37] - Quote refund dropsuit and weapon SP. Minmatar Assault. Hopeful Caldari Scout soon. praying for that respec.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10194	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:07:00 - [38] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Atiim wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I'd say its not up to us. Refunds are only needed for the sake of the game and not the players. While it may not be entirely up to us, CCP has proven time and time again that they actually care about what the playerbase thinks. Sure CCP may not be the best at listening to feedback, and sometimes causes more problems then they solve; but based on their replies to ideas and threads, it would be foolish to say that CCP doesn't have at least a slight interest in what we care about. All I'm saying is that I'm a philosopher (a platonist to be exact), and therefore hardwired to take myself out of the equation. I know CCP cares about us To be fair, it wouldn't be much of a game without its players. Repecs of any kind please faaaaar more players than they upset. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6512	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:24:00 - [39] - Quote Atiim wrote: What is your opinion on the matter? With racial parity finally being achieved for dropsuits, do you believe that it is necessary? If yes, then should it be a complete refund of infantry skills (Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, and Weaponry)?; or should it simply be a Dropsuit Command refund? Why or why not? -HAND. Considering that racial parity is likely to include sidearms as well (Magsecs, Bolt Pistols, Scrambler Pistols, and Flay Locks), I would say that there should be a refund of the weaponry SP included in that dropsuit SP refund. But then you have to consider the heavy weapons which have not seen any indication of racial parity thus far. We only have a Minmatar HMG and a Forge Gun which I'm still debating which race it belongs to although it is based on Deep Core Mining's proprietary design. Beyond that, we have not seen any indication Amarrian, Gallentean, and Caldari heavy weapons. Then there are the vehicles to consider. We have yet to see any Amarrian or Matari vehicles for that matter. I estimate that we will like receive 2-3 more partial SP refunds before FULL racial parity across the board has been established. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
CrotchGrab 360 The Men In The Mirror 1377	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:42:00 - [40] - Quote full sp respec no limits to infantry only or dropsuits only full respec

KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3828	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:54:00 - [41] - Quote Atiim wrote: What is your opinion on the matter? With racial parity finally being achieved for dropsuits, do you believe that it is necessary? If yes, then should it be a complete refund of infantry skills (Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, and Weaponry)?; or should it simply be a Dropsuit Command refund? Why or why not? -HAND. Me being a Caldari Tech fanboi and an Amarr Loyalist. My prefered style class being SCOUT. I think we need at least a DROPSUIT COMMAND skill RESPEC. I wouldnt oppose a Full infantry respec at ALL, since i have a lot of waster SP,specially while TRYING out weapons that in the end done fit my playstyle. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Clyffton Donovan Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 65	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:58:00 - [42] - Quote Do I want a full respec? You bet your sweet ass I do. However I'm not naive. I feel that there won't be a respec. I look for sometime tomorrow or wednesday they to announce that there will not be one, but since we have the triple sp event, that will allow a head start into a new suit. If my memory serves me correct, they did this with the Commando suit. The reason the vehicles got a respec is because the tree was altered, not just added to. I am trying really hard not to get myself excited for a respec, cause I know it will be beneficial to me. However, I feel that they won't give us one. Director / Combat Medic Zulu Squad Leader Invictus Maneo~ "I Remain Unvanquished"
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1070	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:33:00 - [43] - Quote No thanks. Respecs or SP refunds should only be given when skills (or the items they enable) are removed. If the skill still exists, and can still provide value, no refund should be supplied. For this specific situation, where a player has skilled into a specific dropsuit for one race and CCP release an equivalent dropsuit for another race, I would support a skill replacement, ie. my Amarr Heavy Dropsuit skills are all replaced with the same number of levels in Minmatar Heavy Dropsuit. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5639	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:41:00 - [44] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: This is an odd one, obviously people who invested in heavy or light frame suits should get their skillpoints in those skills returned, but as for a full respec, I can't say I would vouch for that. History shows us that every time a game lets players respec, the variation of playstyles and equipment becomes stagnant, as everyone generally flocks to the so-called "fit of the month," I would certainly enjoy a full respec, but its a double edged sword, and I'd be content with just getting my dropsuit skills returned. And what is the so called fit of the month if we were to get a full infantry respec? Everyone seems to be gravitating towards a wide variety of things, there's not one particular fit that looks OP this time. And of course part of the reason we saw FOTM problems in past respecs was because there was so little for anyone to actually skill into in the first place. I do not see this being a problem. And regardless, this respec is 100% warranted and would be the last respec we ever get (unless something goes horribly, horribly wrong), so it needs to happen whether there is a potential FOTM problem or not. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5639	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:46:00 - [45] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: For this specific situation, where a player has skilled into a specific dropsuit for one race and CCP release an equivalent dropsuit for another race, I would support a skill replacement, ie. my Amarr Heavy Dropsuit skills are all replaced with the same number of levels in Minmatar Heavy Dropsuit. That would be too labor intensive and CCP frankly doesn't have time for that, as proven last time they tried non-forced respecs. And now you're adding an extra element that it has to go specifically towards another skill. This won't happen. CCP is far more likely to simply give everyone a forced respec and be done with it and never have to worry about respecs ever again. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3729	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:48:00 - [46] - Quote RKKR wrote: This discussion is so old, we know the answer already. But does CCP know the answer? Almost every time someone talks about how they need and/or want an SP refund in 1.8, it was either scattered throughout the thread(s) or generally off-topic. The purpose of this thread is to collect the the community's general consensus of whether or not CCP giving SP refunds in Uprising 1.8 is a good idea. What Would Larry Do? He'd probably drink some Quafe... Goes To Refrigerator
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5643	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:55:00 - [47] - Quote Atiim wrote: RKKR wrote: This discussion is so old, we know the answer already. But does CCP know the answer? Almost every time someone talks about how they need and/or want an SP refund in 1.8, it was either scattered throughout the thread(s) or generally off-topic. The purpose of this thread is to collect the the community's general consensus of whether or not CCP giving SP refunds in Uprising 1.8 is a good idea. I'm fairly certain CCP has already made up their mind on what they are doing in terms of respecs, but aren't telling us yet because they are the ultimate trolls* And also because it is still not guaranteed that all these things are coming in Uprising 1.8. As we saw pretty recently with the Caldari Production Facility, things can get pushed back even at the last minute. They're probably waiting on telling us anything about respecs until they know for sure they can get all this stuff out in the next update. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Sports Dude WarRavens League of Infamy 269	Posted - 2014.01.21 00:00:00 - [48] - Quote I support either a full respec or a full Infantry only respec.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3269	Posted - 2014.01.21 00:10:00 - [49] - Quote Infantry skills I think. Historically, I've been against respecs altogether. Though I used to say, maybe another when the rest of the suits come out, and that appears to be happening. It's more than that though, the existing suits are changing: bonuses, slots, and stats. That's all the suits are to begin with (bonuses, slots, stats). If it's going to be a completely different suit from what we originally skilled into, then on what grounds should we be expected to keep those skills? It's not "what we picked". Just the name is the same. It seems like the nature of the tanking philosophy on the Amarr suits is changing even. Considering the upgrades/weapons we pick are often tied to our suit choices... Yeah, I'd support a respec for this. Join my cult.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10205	Posted - 2014.01.21 03:01:00 - [50] - Quote I'm just hoping CCP does the right thing, if there's no infantry respec you all can breath a sigh of relief because I'll be putting this game down for a while and staying off these forums. I know that just changed a few peoples votes to no respec Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3745	Posted - 2014.01.21 07:44:00 - [51] - Quote Anymore thoughts? Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5710	Posted - 2014.01.21 07:55:00 - [52] - Quote Atiim wrote: Anymore thoughts? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40zjfBk5vEE&t=39m42s CCP's response here, stating that the community will ask for respecs, but it is disruptive so they want to pile them together, sure as hell sounds like they are going to be doing respecs. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1278	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:00:00 - [53] - Quote I'm usually against respecs for anything other than radical reworks. I don't think the new changes or added suits necessarily warrant a respec on their own, but with the suit and weapon rebalancing and vastly improved hit detection, I think it will be far less likely everyone will jump onto one suit and weapon, and people can spec into the suits they've been waiting for. I personally only have about 2 mil of 28 mil SP invested in skills I either don't use or rarely use, and I have almost 2 mil saved unallocated, so a respec wouldn't change much for me, I'd just be a bit more efficient. If there is a refund on SP for all three infantry trees I plan on speccing into straight Gallente, the only exceptions being equipment because I'm a logi, and hybrid weapons Gallente also specialize in them. Gal Fac war will be my new home. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
Cooper Eudaemon DUST University Ivy League 119	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:04:00 - [54] - Quote We haven't heard anything to indicate they will or won't be redoing the skill trees, so I think it's presumptive to assume they will remain the way they are. Aside from that, the massive scope of this content release more than merits a respec. I think it should be done exactly the way they just did for vehicles--Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, and Weapons. People will have the option to completely change their playstyles with this release, and they deserve the opportunity to do so. I need a break from Dust! I'll just go hop on the forums... I need a break from the forums! I'll just go hop on Dust...
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1061	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:09:00 - [55] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'm just hoping CCP does the right thing, if there's no infantry respec you all can breath a sigh of relief because I'll be putting this game down for a while and staying off these forums. I know that just changed a few peoples votes to no respec Would be sad to lose one of the Dust 514 youtubers, indeed. Respec it is.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1061	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:13:00 - [56] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Atiim wrote: Anymore thoughts? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40zjfBk5vEE&t=39m42s CCP's response here, stating that the community will ask for respecs, but it is disruptive so they want to pile them together, sure as hell sounds like they are going to be doing respecs. This is also where they say that BPOs are bad for the economy. While at the same time allowing people to lock PC districs and make millions of ISK.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1474	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:19:00 - [57] - Quote A full refund of the Dropsuit Operations, Dropsuit Upgrades and Weaponry skill trees is completely reasonable right now. The Vehicle and Corporation Skill trees don't need a refund, because the Vehicle skill trees juts got one in the release of 1.7, and there is no reason to refund Corp. based skills because corporations aren't being changed because of the additions 1.8 will bring. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1474	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:20:00 - [58] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'm just hoping CCP does the right thing, if there's no infantry respec you all can breath a sigh of relief because I'll be putting this game down for a while and staying off these forums. I know that just changed a few peoples votes to no respec You'll need GJR to threaten that in order to change minds... No offense, we just don't like you as much as him. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 149	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:24:00 - [59] - Quote Full respec, please. I'll go caldari dropsuits: 1st protologi, 2nd proto cores, 3rd adv heavy and scout, 4th some weapons combat rifle(lvl4), sniper(lvl5+3), adv HMG and SMG Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro
Munin-Frey Fish Spotters Inc. 92	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:25:00 - [60] - Quote I enjoy the occasional respec and think they are good for the game. It is a very real grind to amass skill points and it isn't as fun to save them up for when CCP finally adds the content you've been waiting for all this time. I personally don't understand why everyone doesn't think they are a good thing....... If you don't want to respec then put all your points back where they were. The rest of us don't want to have skill trees filled with wasted points for things we tried while we were waiting. Closed Beta Veteran



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