DUST Search - Players hiding in the MCC not doing anything

Scalesdini wrote:

Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:

Scalesdini your angry response attacking not my point but my analogy does not progress the topic. It does not even address my point that you quoted. I asked him to "consider" the people. Do you think that I should not have asked him to do that? I was also quite clear as i said that I do not agree with AFKing yet understand the cause of it.

You seem to agree with me so I don't quite understand the nature of your post. Does it bother you that I understand TechMechMeds actions and will not attack him personally for his views but that I am trying to understand his reasons? His actions are based on his real experiences. His frustration is real and his reasons, as I said, can be justified by him.

I read what he is saying and it makes my want to fix pubs so he likes them or help CCP find alternative ISK gains not kick him from the game and rage at him.

Your point is invalid. His defense of afk'ing is he doesn't like pubs because blueberries are trash and it's boring blahblahblah. Blueberries are just as trash in FW, so why does he "go hard" there but afk in pubs? Furthermore, implying someone could dislike pubs while liking any other game mode is also ridiculous, being that FW and PC are both the same game mode as skirmish. You can't afk ambush, and nobody is forced to play domination, at least not since 1.4.

Again, if afk'ers feel blueberries are such trash and just cannot be bothered actually playing pubs, why don't they just do PC? The potential for reward is much higher, and since these guys are clearly so much better than random blues, they should have no problem taking districts, right?

Sure, matchmaking is crap and sometimes you get a raw deal on teams. At that point in time, these players that consider themselves so vastly superior than the bluedots on their team should embrace non-standard tactics to shift the tide of battle to their favor. It doesn't always work, but it's more fun than sitting in the MCC for half an hour to get paid 100k isk.

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Z Omega The Brotherhood of the Omega 0	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:10:00 - [1] - Quote Subject says it all. Does anyone else get pissed off at the people that just hide in the MCC, not doing anything? I've played matches 16v16 and 11 players were just sitting in the MCC, moving just a little bit every now and then to not get auto booted. It's irritating that they're taking up space that actual helpful players could be occupying. I can't even think of a good plan that would stop people from doing this, the only one I can think of is the MCC has an auto eject after a certain period of time, but then all they'd do is spawn somewhere else and do f*ck all. Maybe a report function of some kind, but then there is always room for abuse of that. What's other people's thoughts?
Jason Pearson 3987	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:15:00 - [2] - Quote Let me farm LP in peace, Caldari ain't winning anyways. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1603	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:17:00 - [3] - Quote Happens in every game where you can get rewarded for doing nothing, if passive battle sp and battle sp for wp's had their values swapped people AFKing would get virtually nothing but so would people who didn't do very well so its not a noob friendly idea. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 983	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:23:00 - [4] - Quote x amount of time spent y distance away from an objective or enemy without getting a kill or reping someone. {:)}{3GÇó>
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1634	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:25:00 - [5] - Quote I sat in the mcc after our team got redlined and I saw 11 of the players on my team had yet to get a kill. I decided considering this was the 6th time that night I decided to call it an evening.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2194	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:59:00 - [6] - Quote In pubs? Yeah I afk in pubs. Swamps simply grinding isk with a high corp tax rate to get into pc quicker. If the enemy team is a bunch of proto pub star nubs then I afk, thrn come on here or bang my gf. Pubs are pure meh and your quip is with ccp for giving us no options but to grind in shtty pub matches. If theres an actual decent opposing team we'll bother, but usually its just scum and theres not enough fks given between us to even bother in pubs. And I speak for a lot guaranteed. Now how does it go? Ah yes. Inb4newbssayishouldgiveAfk Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2194	Posted - 2014.01.18 07:02:00 - [7] - Quote Until ccp gives an isk gain alternative I think its only fair we can afk. We shouldn't be forced to play pubs nor argue over the morality of it. The argument is with ccp implementing other ways to gain isk, not each other. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 553	Posted - 2014.01.18 07:05:00 - [8] - Quote Some have gotten partially 'nonAfk AFK-ing' However the hell you're supposed to say it. He sat on our ground spawn's missile turret, spamming the enemy MCC the entire match. No joke. Spawn in, go to call a car, wait for the 6 militia tanks/dses, then look to my left and there he is. Come back later with a Aurum maddy which i obtained from roadkilling the driver whilst he waits for it to drop, had 2hardeners and a scaner/nitrous setup, cpu on spare low. Naturally after blowing up 2 gunnies i had to rep, and went to the redline, while i'm repping it up i hear the mass spamming of missiles and there he is. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I have a God, His name is Dakka.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2619	Posted - 2014.01.18 07:35:00 - [9] - Quote Pubs are genuinely ****** up. Talent is hard to find there. Blueberries stand facing the other direction while reds move to the objective that's right behind the blues that's "guarding" it. Then you have the MCC campers who just sit there and do nothing but go in circles. CALFW is even worse. Most couldn't handle the beating or organize properly, so now EVE pilots are complaining about the lack of participation and fortitude for those battles. I know you were talking about MCC campers but soon as I read that, my mind just exploded with all the wrong that I've been experiencing in pub and FW matches. How are mercs involved in a game that you don't actually care about playing but you login still? People are confusing. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
SickJ D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 123	Posted - 2014.01.18 08:39:00 - [10] - Quote For Faction Warfare, they should just start giving out LP based on how many Warpoints you get. Boom, problem solved. Blue/Green = Good \| Red = Bad \| Yellow = Mine

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2197	Posted - 2014.01.18 08:57:00 - [11] - Quote SickJ wrote: For Faction Warfare, they should just start giving out LP based on how many Warpoints you get. Boom, problem solved. That's pretty good actually, and your loyalty level could be a multiplier? I CBA with pubs, no one in swamp can but we always go hard in fw, not that its a challenge anymore and we will never fight for amarr or caldari scum. Iv played for duct tape and gallente since fws implementation, when it didn't matter fk all who you fought for, I'm not changing now. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1245	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:00:00 - [12] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Until ccp gives an isk gain alternative I think its only fair we can afk. We shouldn't be forced to play pubs nor argue over the morality of it. Fair on who? It's not fair on the other players on your team when you avoid helping. I think we should be clear that this is not a victim-less action. When you AFK you are not improving the match you are in. I think it can be said unequivocally that you are harming it. Do you think any new players are having their experience of the game made more or less positive by your actions? How about those who can only play a few games a night as they have many commitments? That short play window they have is disrupted by one sided matches often made possible by one team having 16 players on the field and the other 10, with 6 in the MCC. Because you want ISK but do not want to play the game as it is currently to gain this ISK does not mean you should feel justified in your actions. We may need other ways to get ISK, but that does not justify you making the game less enjoyable for others so you can get what you want. When you AFK you spoil the game for those who enjoy it. You may hate pubs, or find justified frustration with the issues the game has but some players do not feel that way. There are issues with match making, lag and so on and these things make a game less enjoyable and need to be addressed but you have to realize that AFKing is also one of the issues in that same list. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
ballistic surgeon Lost Millennium Canis Eliminatus Operatives 13	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:00:00 - [13] - Quote Z Omega wrote: Subject says it all. Does anyone else get pissed off at the people that just hide in the MCC, not doing anything? I've played matches 16v16 and 11 players were just sitting in the MCC, moving just a little bit every now and then to not get auto booted. It's irritating that they're taking up space that actual helpful players could be occupying. I can't even think of a good plan that would stop people from doing this, the only one I can think of is the MCC has an auto eject after a certain period of time, but then all they'd do is spawn somewhere else and do f*ck all. Maybe a report function of some kind, but then there is always room for abuse of that. What's other people's thoughts? Either after 1 minute in the MCC ur clone is forced out of the MCC or after 1 minute ur clone is vulnerable to friendly fire w/o consequences to the other player. Only if u depart the MCC then FF wont affect you.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2198	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:16:00 - [14] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Until ccp gives an isk gain alternative I think its only fair we can afk. We shouldn't be forced to play pubs nor argue over the morality of it. Fair on who? It's not fair on the other players on your team when you avoid helping. I think we should be clear that this is not a victim-less action. When you AFK you are not improving the match you are in. I think it can be said unequivocally that you are harming it. Do you think any new players are having their experience of the game made more or less positive by your actions? How about those who can only play a few games a night as they have many commitments? That short play window they have is disrupted by one sided matches often made possible by one team having 16 players on the field and the other 10, with 6 in the MCC. Because you want ISK but do not want to play the game as it is currently to gain this ISK does not mean you should feel justified in your actions. We may need other ways to get ISK, but that does not justify you making the game less enjoyable for others so you can get what you want. When you AFK you spoil the game for those who enjoy it. You may hate pubs, or find justified frustration with the issues the game has but some players do not feel that way. There are issues with match making, lag and so on and these things make a game less enjoyable and need to be addressed but you have to realize that AFKing is also one of the issues in that same list. With all due respect, how the hell am I supposed to gain isk for my corp when I hate pubs? I have no choice but to do them when I don't want to in the slightest., I hate them and CBA with them that much that if its going to be a long shtty slog to win a silly pub match then I really CBA, I'm just saying. So as I said, instead of us biaching over justifications and morality, ccp should put some focus on keeping newbs in the academy or give us alternatives to make isk. I'm sorry mate but I really don't care, theres nothing that anyone can say that will make me care, I'm not in charge of new players length of time spent in the academy or alternative isk gain choices. o7 Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1245	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:23:00 - [15] - Quote Hating pubs is not problem and many like you have good reasons for this. However all I ask it that you consider that a real person is behind the blue dots on your radar and your actions, or lack of, cause a reduction in enjoyment for them. We do need to fix pubs, to make them enjoyable for the majority or to provide alternatives. But don't use the lack of content or the number of game flaws to pass off actions that cause harm to pubs as justified. You reasons may be sound but the action they invoke is negative. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 241	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:25:00 - [16] - Quote I hope everyone who afk's or defends afk'ers dies slowly from an aggressive cancer.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2198	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:28:00 - [17] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Hating pubs is not problem and many like you have good reasons for this. However all I ask it that you consider that a real person is behind the blue dots on your radar and your actions, or lack of, cause a reduction in enjoyment for them. We do need to fix pubs, to make them enjoyable for the majority or to provide alternatives. But don't use the lack of content or the number of game flaws to pass off actions that cause harm to pubs as justified. I'm a logi, I die for random blues very often. I'll play them if I feel like it, nothing will ever change that and fw is a different story, I always try my best in fw because theres more reason to do so. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1247	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:28:00 - [18] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: I hope everyone who afk's or defends afk'ers dies slowly from an aggressive cancer. That's not a fair respose. Remember AFKing does not come from nowhere. People do it for a reason. People do not AFS (screen) when they go out to watch a movie unless the film is bad. While i disagree with it; the cause of AFKing is not that people are hats that one might wear on ones bottom, but that the product has not engaged them. AFK is a symptom not the disease. My posts to TechMechMeds were not to say he is a bad person in any way, only to point out that others are harmed by his actions. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 242	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:38:00 - [19] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Scalesdini wrote: I hope everyone who afk's or defends afk'ers dies slowly from an aggressive cancer. That's not a fair respose. Remember AFKing does not come from nowhere. People do it for a reason. People do not AFS (screen) when they go out to watch a movie unless the film is bad. While i disagree with it; the cause of AFKing is not that people are hats that one might wear on ones bottom, but that the product has not engaged them. AFK is a symptom not the disease. Did you... actually just compare afk'ing to leaving a movie? Allow me to bring up your comments from 3 posts ago. Quote: However all I ask it that you consider that a real person is behind the blue dots on your radar and your actions, or lack of, cause a reduction in enjoyment for them. The actors don't care if you don't watch their movie. They got paid already. Your comparison is crap, and your lack of ability to discern exaggeration to help articulate an opinion is disturbing at best. CBA doing pubs because you're worried teams are going to be bad? Then go do PC and make money that way, far more reward than pubs. But I'm guessing afk'ers lack the talent required to actually win a PC match considering their problem is they also lack the required ability to be competitive in a pub unless their team is carrying them.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2198	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:44:00 - [20] - Quote Swamps out of fw now anyway for a while, we iz geting welevant innit fo pc. This involves hours upon hours of grinding, meh. So expect much afking from us, if theres go hard proto stomper pub stars making it extremely difficult in a game mode that's designed for lone mercs or small squads then meh, why long it out? Let them have their cake and get the match over, that's the isk grind right there, no alternative. I could deal with that OR come on the forums or bang my gf. Again, it really all boils down to newbs time in academy and isk gain alternatives, I know its all in the pipeline but that doesn't change anything at the mo. And sorry to be a bit blunt right there lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2198	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:46:00 - [21] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Scalesdini wrote: I hope everyone who afk's or defends afk'ers dies slowly from an aggressive cancer. That's not a fair respose. Remember AFKing does not come from nowhere. People do it for a reason. People do not AFS (screen) when they go out to watch a movie unless the film is bad. While i disagree with it; the cause of AFKing is not that people are hats that one might wear on ones bottom, but that the product has not engaged them. AFK is a symptom not the disease. Did you... actually just compare afk'ing to leaving a movie? Allow me to bring up your comments from 3 posts ago. Quote: However all I ask it that you consider that a real person is behind the blue dots on your radar and your actions, or lack of, cause a reduction in enjoyment for them. The actors don't care if you don't watch their movie. They got paid already. Your comparison is crap, and your lack of ability to discern exaggeration to help articulate an opinion is disturbing at best. CBA doing pubs because you're worried teams are going to be bad? Then go do PC and make money that way, far more reward than pubs. But I'm guessing afk'ers lack the talent required to actually win a PC match considering their problem is they also lack the required ability to be competitive in a pub unless their team is carrying them. Your complete lack of comprehension is unbelievable, just be quiet, heres a like, now bugger off lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1247	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:47:00 - [22] - Quote Scalesdini your angry response attacking not my point but my analogy does not progress the topic. It does not even address my point that you quoted. I asked him to "consider" the people. Do you think that I should not have asked him to do that? I was also quite clear as i said that I do not agree with AFKing yet understand the cause of it. You seem to agree with me so I don't quite understand the nature of your post. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Rowdy Railgunner Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 337	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:47:00 - [23] - Quote I think people that AFK have neither a girlfriend or a life. What they have is a PS3 or two and a PC, so they go AFK and then come onto the forums to tell us that they are banging Rosie and her 5 sisters to sound cool. Which is more sad than just saying that I have multiple devices and if you saw me AFK in the MCC it is because I was playing a different character/game but still wanted the points from it. Stop lying. Be truthful with others or you will never find the truth in yourself.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2198	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:50:00 - [24] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: I think people that AFK have neither a girlfriend or a life. What they have is a PS3 or two and a PC, so they go AFK and then come onto the forums to tell us that they are banging Rosie and her 5 sisters to sound cool. Which is more sad than just saying that I have multiple devices and if you saw me AFK in the MCC it is because I was playing a different character/game but still wanted the points from it. Stop lying. Be truthful with others or you will never find the truth in yourself. You can generalise and assume whatever trash you want, your inference is relative your experience, what does that tell you? Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1249	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:55:00 - [25] - Quote I do not AFK. I do not have a girlfriend. What does that make me to you Rowdy Railgunner? Also cheating on Rosie by also seeing her sisters is not cool.I would not respect anyone who thinks that it would be. Also it would be extremely draining, both physically and financially. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2198	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:58:00 - [26] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I do not AFK. I do not have a girlfriend. What does that make me to you Rowdy Railgunner? Also cheating on Rosie by also seeing her sisters is not cool.I would not respect anyone who thinks that it would be. Also it would be extremely draining, but physically and financially. Psychology dictates that he's enforcing his teenage memories onto me because he doesn't like what I say, or he's self reflecting. Either way I couldn't give two fks mate lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 242	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:59:00 - [27] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Scalesdini your angry response attacking not my point but my analogy does not progress the topic. It does not even address my point that you quoted. I asked him to "consider" the people. Do you think that I should not have asked him to do that? I was also quite clear as i said that I do not agree with AFKing yet understand the cause of it. You seem to agree with me so I don't quite understand the nature of your post. Does it bother you that I understand TechMechMeds actions and will not attack him personally for his views but that I am trying to understand his reasons? His actions are based on his real experiences. His frustration is real and his reasons, as I said, can be justified by him. I read what he is saying and it makes my want to fix pubs so he likes them or help CCP find alternative ISK gains not kick him from the game and rage at him. Your point is invalid. His defense of afk'ing is he doesn't like pubs because blueberries are trash and it's boring blahblahblah. Blueberries are just as trash in FW, so why does he "go hard" there but afk in pubs? Furthermore, implying someone could dislike pubs while liking any other game mode is also ridiculous, being that FW and PC are both the same game mode as skirmish. You can't afk ambush, and nobody is forced to play domination, at least not since 1.4. Again, if afk'ers feel blueberries are such trash and just cannot be bothered actually playing pubs, why don't they just do PC? The potential for reward is much higher, and since these guys are clearly so much better than random blues, they should have no problem taking districts, right? Sure, matchmaking is crap and sometimes you get a raw deal on teams. At that point in time, these players that consider themselves so vastly superior than the bluedots on their team should embrace non-standard tactics to shift the tide of battle to their favor. It doesn't always work, but it's more fun than sitting in the MCC for half an hour to get paid 100k isk.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2198	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:03:00 - [28] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Scalesdini your angry response attacking not my point but my analogy does not progress the topic. It does not even address my point that you quoted. I asked him to "consider" the people. Do you think that I should not have asked him to do that? I was also quite clear as i said that I do not agree with AFKing yet understand the cause of it. You seem to agree with me so I don't quite understand the nature of your post. Does it bother you that I understand TechMechMeds actions and will not attack him personally for his views but that I am trying to understand his reasons? His actions are based on his real experiences. His frustration is real and his reasons, as I said, can be justified by him. I read what he is saying and it makes my want to fix pubs so he likes them or help CCP find alternative ISK gains not kick him from the game and rage at him. Your point is invalid. His defense of afk'ing is he doesn't like pubs because blueberries are trash and it's boring blahblahblah. Blueberries are just as trash in FW, so why does he "go hard" there but afk in pubs? Furthermore, implying someone could dislike pubs while liking any other game mode is also ridiculous, being that FW and PC are both the same game mode as skirmish. You can't afk ambush, and nobody is forced to play domination, at least not since 1.4. Again, if afk'ers feel blueberries are such trash and just cannot be bothered actually playing pubs, why don't they just do PC? The potential for reward is much higher, and since these guys are clearly so much better than random blues, they should have no problem taking districts, right? Sure, matchmaking is crap and sometimes you get a raw deal on teams. At that point in time, these players that consider themselves so vastly superior than the bluedots on their team should embrace non-standard tactics to shift the tide of battle to their favor. It doesn't always work, but it's more fun than sitting in the MCC for half an hour to get paid 100k isk. So you have no reading comprehension what so ever? Re read what I put, stop making assumptions, I didn't post on here to state why people do it knowing I'd get flamed by muppets like you for fun, sort it out. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1251	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:05:00 - [29] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: ....Blueberries are just as trash in FW.........these players that consider themselves so vastly superior than the bluedots on their team should embrace non-standard tactics to shift the tide of battle to their favor..... Does your first point not make YOU one of those very players? Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2198	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:07:00 - [30] - Quote And more to the point, what the fk are you actually doing here? Iv stated why people afk, judge was attempting to do something about the situation and you are mindlessly hyping up a bunch of plain sht. I thought I was a bit of a d!k but damn, you get Grammy for your pointless sht lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic



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