DUST Search - Players hiding in the MCC not doing anything

Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:

TechMechMeds wrote:

Until ccp gives an isk gain alternative I think its only fair we can afk. We shouldn't be forced to play pubs nor argue over the morality of it.

Fair on who? It's not fair on the other players on your team when you avoid helping. I think we should be clear that this is not a victim-less action. When you AFK you are not improving the match you are in. I think it can be said unequivocally that you are harming it.

Do you think any new players are having their experience of the game made more or less positive by your actions? How about those who can only play a few games a night as they have many commitments? That short play window they have is disrupted by one sided matches often made possible by one team having 16 players on the field and the other 10, with 6 in the MCC.

Because you want ISK but do not want to play the game as it is currently to gain this ISK does not mean you should feel justified in your actions. We may need other ways to get ISK, but that does not justify you making the game less enjoyable for others so you can get what you want.

When you AFK you spoil the game for those who enjoy it. You may hate pubs, or find justified frustration with the issues the game has but some players do not feel that way. There are issues with match making, lag and so on and these things make a game less enjoyable and need to be addressed but you have to realize that AFKing is also one of the issues in that same list.

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TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2199	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:13:00 - [31] - Quote I'm just going to hide your posts scallywag, you are on some next level hype based on what you would rather think as opposed to what you just read. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 13	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:14:00 - [32] - Quote The answer to all these problems = PvE Boom, Everyone would stop bitching and we would have a much more fun alternative for farming isk, then PvP would be more enjoyable because we could all just run our best stuff while blueberries level up in PvE Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2199	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:15:00 - [33] - Quote I am actually done here, but what I stated is why a lot of people afk. Iv said it how it is for me and my corp, it's that simple. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 242	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:15:00 - [34] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Scalesdini wrote: ....Blueberries are just as trash in FW.........these players that consider themselves so vastly superior than the bluedots on their team .. Does your first point not make YOU one of "these players" who think themselves superiour? In your own words no less. Scalesdini wrote: implying someone could dislike pubs while liking any other game mode is also ridiculous Also he did not imply it. He stated it. So it cannot be ridiculous to think people believe it because he does. Fun fact: In life, some people are better at some things than other people are. But alas, this was not my point, but mad stupid fly dumb doggy props for trying to make it about me instead of actually debating the point I made. Also: Jihadists think blowing themselves up on a bus full of civilians is what their god wants them to do. It doesn't make that sentiment any less ridiculous. Just because someone thinks something doesn't mean it isn't ridiculous.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2199	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:16:00 - [35] - Quote Lonewolf Heavy wrote: The answer to all these problems = PvE Boom, Everyone would stop bitching and we would have a much more fun alternative for farming isk, then PvP would be more enjoyable because we could all just run our best stuff while blueberries level up in PvE With this, the thread can get back on track. o7 Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 261	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:19:00 - [36] - Quote afking is a very important part of my dust life. It makes the match more fair because if I were to play then the enemy team will end up redlined and the game will be boring.... without afking I would not be able to be as productive on PS4 or on my pc games. simply multi tasking. Staying in the redline is worse than afking. Fix the redline and ill afk less. The redline is way to big. I can go a couple of hundred meters behind the mcc.... more importantly, rail tanks can have full access to the sky when backed up far enough while im stuck defenseless in the sky with no way of defending myself.
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 261	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:21:00 - [37] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: afking is a very important part of my dust life. It makes the match more fair because if I were to play then the enemy team will end up redlined and the game will be boring.... without afking I would not be able to be as productive on PS4 or on my pc games. simply multi tasking. Staying in the redline is worse than afking. Fix the redline and ill afk less. The redline is way to big. I can go a couple of hundred meters behind the mcc.... more importantly, rail tanks can have full access to the sky when backed up far enough while im stuck defenseless in the sky with no way of defending myself. Above message was written while afking. lol.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1253	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:21:00 - [38] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Lonewolf Heavy wrote: The answer to all these problems = PvE Boom, Everyone would stop bitching and we would have a much more fun alternative for farming isk, then PvP would be more enjoyable because we could all just run our best stuff while blueberries level up in PvE With this, the thread can get back on track. o7 Do you think that is the best or only solution? Is there anything that would change a pub that would engage more people? If FW, which is the same maps and modes, can engage then the elements that make it so could perhaps move to pubs thus making them engaging. You mention that it is that they matter. Perhaps Pubs could be made to matter to. An EVE link of some sort, or perhaps a link to FW even. I ask because until the player base is expanded we risk splitting the players into so many segments that it all falls apart. As a side note Scalesdini almost made it to Godwins law... almost. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 13	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:24:00 - [39] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Lonewolf Heavy wrote: The answer to all these problems = PvE Boom, Everyone would stop bitching and we would have a much more fun alternative for farming isk, then PvP would be more enjoyable because we could all just run our best stuff while blueberries level up in PvE With this, the thread can get back on track. o7 No problem o7 I've been playing dust since early closed beta, and so has most of my corp and we have asked ourselves this same question many times, and we have (after months of debate) decided that PvE is the answer. PvE is the most Nub friendly answer to most Player problems in the game, Pub stompers would actually have to face other protos because there would be an outside source of revenue for isk that they cannot tamper with, and nubs like i said, would be able to get a hold of the basics of the game and grind up levels without being discouraged by protostompers, and some of us for awhile can blow off some steam after being stuck with PvP for almost the last 2 years (i think) and being promised PvE for the last year, in PvE instead of Stomping the life out of teams with our Standard and Militia gear Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 13	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:28:00 - [40] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Do you think that is the best or only solution? Is there anything that would change a pub that would engage more people? If FW, which is the same maps and modes, can engage then the elements that make it so could perhaps move to pubs thus making them engaging. You mention that it is that they matter. Perhaps Pubs could be made to matter to. An EVE link of some sort, or perhaps a link to FW even. I ask because until the player base is expanded we risk splitting the players into so many segments that it all falls apart. As a side note Scalesdini almost made it to Godwins law... almost. Honestly, I know there probably are better options to engage more players, but PvE is an option that they have promised for a long time, and i know for a fact that if CCP announced they were giving us PvE, many players would return to the game. The EVE link wouldnt help much right now to drag new players in. PvE is just a more friendly new player option. And honestly, it might be safer to split the player base because then at least it will lower how many players we are losing. Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price

Rowdy Railgunner Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 337	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:39:00 - [41] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I do not AFK. I do not have a girlfriend. What does that make me to you Rowdy Railgunner? Also cheating on Rosie by also seeing her sisters is not cool.I would not respect anyone who thinks that it would be. Also it would be extremely draining, but physically and financially. Psychology dictates that he's enforcing his teenage memories onto me because he doesn't like what I say, or he's self reflecting. Either way I couldn't give two fks mate lol. When I was a teenager the internet to me was going out and conversing with people in person at different places, or being tied to a curly cord from the anchor on the wall. Our facebook was the bathroom walls and our twitter was the things we yelled after a neighborhood vs. neighborhood fight. And Judge, if you don't AFK then why did you take offense to my post?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2622	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:39:00 - [42] - Quote Lonewolf Heavy wrote: The answer to all these problems = PvE Boom, Everyone would stop QQing about Blueberries and protostomps and we would have a much more fun alternative for farming isk, then PvP would be more enjoyable because we could all just run our best stuff while blueberries level up in PvE You are merely saying that because you want PVE. That's still not a direct fix for the problem with pubs. But pubs won't change until you get better players. It's obvious quite a few people left this game because the hapless blueberry is quite numerous in matches now. Or I could be wrong because of the semester that has already started. Who knows? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Horizen Kenpachi Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 98	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:43:00 - [43] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Let me farm LP in peace, Caldari ain't winning anyways. Epic story thats how i got my gunnilogi ps u better still be rocking those tanks i belive u alone can stop tank spam Hit me with your nerf bat.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1253	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:47:00 - [44] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: And Judge, if you don't AFK then why did you take offense to my post? I didn't. I was pointing out in a flippent manner that you clearly implied that someone who has no girlfriend was something that could be used as a way to make judgments about their morals or behavior. You correlated 'no girlfriend' with 'AFKing'. There is no correlation or causal link there. It was a silly thing to say don't you think? Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Horizen Kenpachi Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 98	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:48:00 - [45] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Some have gotten partially 'nonAfk AFK-ing' However the hell you're supposed to say it. He sat on our ground spawn's missile turret, spamming the enemy MCC the entire match. No joke. Spawn in, go to call a car, wait for the 6 militia tanks/dses, then look to my left and there he is. Come back later with a Aurum maddy which i obtained from roadkilling the driver whilst he waits for it to drop, had 2hardeners and a scaner/nitrous setup, cpu on spare low. Naturally after blowing up 2 gunnies i had to rep, and went to the redline, while i'm repping it up i hear the mass spamming of missiles and there he is. Im jealous it sounds like he has more fun than all of us Hit me with your nerf bat.
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 13	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:48:00 - [46] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Lonewolf Heavy wrote: The answer to all these problems = PvE Boom, Everyone would stop QQing about Blueberries and protostomps and we would have a much more fun alternative for farming isk, then PvP would be more enjoyable because we could all just run our best stuff while blueberries level up in PvE You are merely saying that because you want PVE. That's still not a direct fix for the problem with pubs. But pubs won't change until you get better players. It's obvious quite a few people left this game because the hapless blueberry is quite numerous in matches now. Or I could be wrong because of the semester that has already started. Who knows? That is true, but it is a start, PvE is a reasonable way to Fix some of the problems. Pub Stomping won't stop. Most of my Corp are Closed Beta Vets and we can stomp out a team with our standard gear, so Setting a Restriction on Proto won't make a difference there. PvE is even though it will divide the population of the game, can at least give New Players a safe place to level up and earn isk. (Note: Normally i could explain myself better but its 4am here and I just got off dust) Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
Rowdy Railgunner Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 337	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:51:00 - [47] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: And Judge, if you don't AFK then why did you take offense to my post? I didn't. I was pointing out in a flippent manner that you clearly implied that someone who has no girlfriend was something that could be used as a way to make judgments about their behavior. You correlated 'no girlfriend' with 'AFKing'. There is no correlation or causal link there. It was a silly thing to say don't you think? No, I was commenting on the fact that most people that say they AFK also say they were throwing a bone to their girlfriend at the time and that is why they AFK. You and I both know that is just a false statement, so I said my piece about it.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1254	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:54:00 - [48] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: I think people that AFK have neither a girlfriend or a life. We know what you said. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 248	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:58:00 - [49] - Quote Z Omega wrote: Subject says it all. Does anyone else get pissed off at the people that just hide in the MCC, not doing anything? I've played matches 16v16 and 11 players were just sitting in the MCC, moving just a little bit every now and then to not get auto booted. It's irritating that they're taking up space that actual helpful players could be occupying. I can't even think of a good plan that would stop people from doing this, the only one I can think of is the MCC has an auto eject after a certain period of time, but then all they'd do is spawn somewhere else and do f*ck all. Maybe a report function of some kind, but then there is always room for abuse of that. What's other people's thoughts? DO you have a picture of this? I would love to see 11 people in the MCC. I know I still MCC camp when going out Open Beta Fed 16th 2013. Scout fix + Heavy suits + Heavy guns = soonGäó
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2623	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:00:00 - [50] - Quote Lonewolf Heavy wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Lonewolf Heavy wrote: The answer to all these problems = PvE Boom, Everyone would stop QQing about Blueberries and protostomps and we would have a much more fun alternative for farming isk, then PvP would be more enjoyable because we could all just run our best stuff while blueberries level up in PvE You are merely saying that because you want PVE. That's still not a direct fix for the problem with pubs. But pubs won't change until you get better players. It's obvious quite a few people left this game because the hapless blueberry is quite numerous in matches now. Or I could be wrong because of the semester that has already started. Who knows? That is true, but it is a start, PvE is a reasonable way to Fix some of the problems. Pub Stomping won't stop. Most of my Corp are Closed Beta Vets and we can stomp out a team with our standard gear, so Setting a Restriction on Proto won't make a difference there. PvE is even though it will divide the population of the game, can at least give New Players a safe place to level up and earn isk. (Note: Normally i could explain myself better but its 4am here and I just got off dust) It was expressed clearly. Nevertheless, I would love to see PVE come aboard to shake up the monotony just a bit. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]

Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1256	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:01:00 - [51] - Quote I want PVE too. Just not thrown in without thought just so CCP can say "see... PVE" Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 15	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:04:00 - [52] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: It was expressed clearly. Nevertheless, I would love to see PVE come aboard to shake up the monotony just a bit. Honestly, After having maintained districts from day 1 of PC until november, i feel PvE probably would have been more effective to have been given first, It would have provided us an easy way to Earn our Isk to stock up suits for PC battles. Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
Horizen Kenpachi Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 100	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:07:00 - [53] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Scalesdini wrote: ....Blueberries are just as trash in FW.........these players that consider themselves so vastly superior than the bluedots on their team .. Does your first point not make YOU one of "these players" who think themselves superiour? In your own words no less. Scalesdini wrote: implying someone could dislike pubs while liking any other game mode is also ridiculous Also he did not imply it. He stated it. So it cannot be ridiculous to think people believe it because he does. Fun fact: In life, some people are better at some things than other people are. But alas, this was not my point, but mad stupid fly dumb doggy props for trying to make it about me instead of actually debating the point I made. Also: Jihadists think blowing themselves up on a bus full of civilians is what their god wants them to do. It doesn't make that sentiment any less ridiculous. Just because someone thinks something doesn't mean it isn't ridiculous. U have offended my tribe ( climbs in lav and drives into tank ) Hit me with your nerf bat.
Rowdy Railgunner Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 337	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:21:00 - [54] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: I think people that AFK have neither a girlfriend or a life. We know what you said. If you AFK you have no girlfriend. This is unfounded. This statement, that ends with a full stop, is unambiguous and not open to interpretation. If bolAFK = True then . .set VarIntRelationshipRank = 0 Else . .set VarIntRelationshipRank = 1 EndIF And you don't AFK so it was not directed towards you nor should you take offense to it. That statement was directed specifically at those that have made those claims about why they AFK and why they support it. I hope that I offended them because that was the purpose of my statement. If you want to jump on their bandwagon and fight for them go for it. I find their cause meaningless and unsubstantial in the greater good of the game and their reasons to be not based in reality. That is just me though, I am sure since you want to champion for them that you find all of their claims based in hard factual evidence. Because I am sure that Mr. TechMechMeds is actually "banging his gf" like he said in this thread right, right? And just like all the other people in threads about AFK that are doing the same such acts...
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1598	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:33:00 - [55] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Until ccp gives an isk gain alternative I think its only fair we can afk. We shouldn't be forced to play pubs nor argue over the morality of it. Fair on who? It's not fair on the other players on your team when you avoid helping. I think we should be clear that this is not a victim-less action. When you AFK you are not improving the match you are in. I think it can be said unequivocally that you are harming it. Do you think any new players are having their experience of the game made more or less positive by your actions? How about those who can only play a few games a night as they have many commitments? That short play window they have is disrupted by one sided matches often made possible by one team having 16 players on the field and the other 10, with 6 in the MCC. Because you want ISK but do not want to play the game as it is currently to gain this ISK does not mean you should feel justified in your actions. We may need other ways to get ISK, but that does not justify you making the game less enjoyable for others so you can get what you want. When you AFK you spoil the game for those who enjoy it. You may hate pubs, or find justified frustration with the issues the game has but some players do not feel that way. There are issues with match making, lag and so on and these things make a game less enjoyable and need to be addressed but you have to realize that AFKing is also one of the issues in that same list. How about instead of afking you use cheap suits, Tech? I have a fit specifically designed for pubs, frontline suit with a rail rifle and smg, costs me ~2,500 a suit, with an average payout of 150, 000 I can literally die 50 times a match and still make a profit. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 112	Posted - 2014.01.18 12:19:00 - [56] - Quote put team killing in public matches
Z Omega The Brotherhood of the Omega 0	Posted - 2014.01.21 09:57:00 - [57] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: In pubs? Yeah I afk in pubs. Swamps simply grinding isk with a high corp tax rate to get into pc quicker. If the enemy team is a bunch of proto pub star nubs then I afk, thrn come on here or bang my gf. Pubs are pure meh and your quip is with ccp for giving us no options but to grind in shtty All I read was I suck and can't compete, so I'm going to ruin it for everyone.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 102	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:03:00 - [58] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Scalesdini your angry response attacking not my point but my analogy does not progress the topic. It does not even address my point that you quoted. I asked him to "consider" the people. Do you think that I should not have asked him to do that? I was also quite clear as i said that I do not agree with AFKing yet understand the cause of it. You seem to agree with me so I don't quite understand the nature of your post. Does it bother you that I understand TechMechMeds actions and will not attack him personally for his views but that I am trying to understand his reasons? His actions are based on his real experiences. His frustration is real and his reasons, as I said, can be justified by him. I read what he is saying and it makes my want to fix pubs so he likes them or help CCP find alternative ISK gains not kick him from the game and rage at him. A very reasoned gent indeed. You see guys this is why I like Judge. He is always polite even when in disagreement. I dont even know this guy save from in-game combat and forum warrior clashes. Some of you could learn a thing or two.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1635	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:10:00 - [59] - Quote You either make sure every Caldari blueberry is able to call in OBs and does so, or I will continue afking in the MCC to call the OBs in myself. I mean seriously: Even when I afk all the time in the MCC and call in 3 or 4 orbitals every match I'm still more useful than your stock Caldari blueberry. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 579	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:13:00 - [60] - Quote SickJ wrote: For Faction Warfare, they should just start giving out LP based on how many Warpoints you get. Boom, problem solved. Yes, this could work. Of course if I see people afking in FW and it's almost downtime, then just spawn in there and go to town on them...



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