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Z Omega The Brotherhood of the Omega 0	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:10:00 - [1] - Quote Subject says it all. Does anyone else get pissed off at the people that just hide in the MCC, not doing anything? I've played matches 16v16 and 11 players were just sitting in the MCC, moving just a little bit every now and then to not get auto booted. It's irritating that they're taking up space that actual helpful players could be occupying. I can't even think of a good plan that would stop people from doing this, the only one I can think of is the MCC has an auto eject after a certain period of time, but then all they'd do is spawn somewhere else and do f*ck all. Maybe a report function of some kind, but then there is always room for abuse of that. What's other people's thoughts?
Jason Pearson 3987	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:15:00 - [2] - Quote Let me farm LP in peace, Caldari ain't winning anyways. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1603	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:17:00 - [3] - Quote Happens in every game where you can get rewarded for doing nothing, if passive battle sp and battle sp for wp's had their values swapped people AFKing would get virtually nothing but so would people who didn't do very well so its not a noob friendly idea. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 983	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:23:00 - [4] - Quote x amount of time spent y distance away from an objective or enemy without getting a kill or reping someone. {:)}{3GÇó>
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1634	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:25:00 - [5] - Quote I sat in the mcc after our team got redlined and I saw 11 of the players on my team had yet to get a kill. I decided considering this was the 6th time that night I decided to call it an evening.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2194	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:59:00 - [6] - Quote In pubs? Yeah I afk in pubs. Swamps simply grinding isk with a high corp tax rate to get into pc quicker. If the enemy team is a bunch of proto pub star nubs then I afk, thrn come on here or bang my gf. Pubs are pure meh and your quip is with ccp for giving us no options but to grind in shtty pub matches. If theres an actual decent opposing team we'll bother, but usually its just scum and theres not enough fks given between us to even bother in pubs. And I speak for a lot guaranteed. Now how does it go? Ah yes. Inb4newbssayishouldgiveAfk Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2194	Posted - 2014.01.18 07:02:00 - [7] - Quote Until ccp gives an isk gain alternative I think its only fair we can afk. We shouldn't be forced to play pubs nor argue over the morality of it. The argument is with ccp implementing other ways to gain isk, not each other. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 553	Posted - 2014.01.18 07:05:00 - [8] - Quote Some have gotten partially 'nonAfk AFK-ing' However the hell you're supposed to say it. He sat on our ground spawn's missile turret, spamming the enemy MCC the entire match. No joke. Spawn in, go to call a car, wait for the 6 militia tanks/dses, then look to my left and there he is. Come back later with a Aurum maddy which i obtained from roadkilling the driver whilst he waits for it to drop, had 2hardeners and a scaner/nitrous setup, cpu on spare low. Naturally after blowing up 2 gunnies i had to rep, and went to the redline, while i'm repping it up i hear the mass spamming of missiles and there he is. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I have a God, His name is Dakka.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2619	Posted - 2014.01.18 07:35:00 - [9] - Quote Pubs are genuinely ****** up. Talent is hard to find there. Blueberries stand facing the other direction while reds move to the objective that's right behind the blues that's "guarding" it. Then you have the MCC campers who just sit there and do nothing but go in circles. CALFW is even worse. Most couldn't handle the beating or organize properly, so now EVE pilots are complaining about the lack of participation and fortitude for those battles. I know you were talking about MCC campers but soon as I read that, my mind just exploded with all the wrong that I've been experiencing in pub and FW matches. How are mercs involved in a game that you don't actually care about playing but you login still? People are confusing. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
SickJ D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 123	Posted - 2014.01.18 08:39:00 - [10] - Quote For Faction Warfare, they should just start giving out LP based on how many Warpoints you get. Boom, problem solved. Blue/Green = Good \| Red = Bad \| Yellow = Mine

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2197	Posted - 2014.01.18 08:57:00 - [11] - Quote SickJ wrote: For Faction Warfare, they should just start giving out LP based on how many Warpoints you get. Boom, problem solved. That's pretty good actually, and your loyalty level could be a multiplier? I CBA with pubs, no one in swamp can but we always go hard in fw, not that its a challenge anymore and we will never fight for amarr or caldari scum. Iv played for duct tape and gallente since fws implementation, when it didn't matter fk all who you fought for, I'm not changing now. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1245	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:00:00 - [12] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Until ccp gives an isk gain alternative I think its only fair we can afk. We shouldn't be forced to play pubs nor argue over the morality of it. Fair on who? It's not fair on the other players on your team when you avoid helping. I think we should be clear that this is not a victim-less action. When you AFK you are not improving the match you are in. I think it can be said unequivocally that you are harming it. Do you think any new players are having their experience of the game made more or less positive by your actions? How about those who can only play a few games a night as they have many commitments? That short play window they have is disrupted by one sided matches often made possible by one team having 16 players on the field and the other 10, with 6 in the MCC. Because you want ISK but do not want to play the game as it is currently to gain this ISK does not mean you should feel justified in your actions. We may need other ways to get ISK, but that does not justify you making the game less enjoyable for others so you can get what you want. When you AFK you spoil the game for those who enjoy it. You may hate pubs, or find justified frustration with the issues the game has but some players do not feel that way. There are issues with match making, lag and so on and these things make a game less enjoyable and need to be addressed but you have to realize that AFKing is also one of the issues in that same list. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
ballistic surgeon Lost Millennium Canis Eliminatus Operatives 13	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:00:00 - [13] - Quote Z Omega wrote: Subject says it all. Does anyone else get pissed off at the people that just hide in the MCC, not doing anything? I've played matches 16v16 and 11 players were just sitting in the MCC, moving just a little bit every now and then to not get auto booted. It's irritating that they're taking up space that actual helpful players could be occupying. I can't even think of a good plan that would stop people from doing this, the only one I can think of is the MCC has an auto eject after a certain period of time, but then all they'd do is spawn somewhere else and do f*ck all. Maybe a report function of some kind, but then there is always room for abuse of that. What's other people's thoughts? Either after 1 minute in the MCC ur clone is forced out of the MCC or after 1 minute ur clone is vulnerable to friendly fire w/o consequences to the other player. Only if u depart the MCC then FF wont affect you.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2198	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:16:00 - [14] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Until ccp gives an isk gain alternative I think its only fair we can afk. We shouldn't be forced to play pubs nor argue over the morality of it. Fair on who? It's not fair on the other players on your team when you avoid helping. I think we should be clear that this is not a victim-less action. When you AFK you are not improving the match you are in. I think it can be said unequivocally that you are harming it. Do you think any new players are having their experience of the game made more or less positive by your actions? How about those who can only play a few games a night as they have many commitments? That short play window they have is disrupted by one sided matches often made possible by one team having 16 players on the field and the other 10, with 6 in the MCC. Because you want ISK but do not want to play the game as it is currently to gain this ISK does not mean you should feel justified in your actions. We may need other ways to get ISK, but that does not justify you making the game less enjoyable for others so you can get what you want. When you AFK you spoil the game for those who enjoy it. You may hate pubs, or find justified frustration with the issues the game has but some players do not feel that way. There are issues with match making, lag and so on and these things make a game less enjoyable and need to be addressed but you have to realize that AFKing is also one of the issues in that same list. With all due respect, how the hell am I supposed to gain isk for my corp when I hate pubs? I have no choice but to do them when I don't want to in the slightest., I hate them and CBA with them that much that if its going to be a long shtty slog to win a silly pub match then I really CBA, I'm just saying. So as I said, instead of us biaching over justifications and morality, ccp should put some focus on keeping newbs in the academy or give us alternatives to make isk. I'm sorry mate but I really don't care, theres nothing that anyone can say that will make me care, I'm not in charge of new players length of time spent in the academy or alternative isk gain choices. o7 Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1245	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:23:00 - [15] - Quote Hating pubs is not problem and many like you have good reasons for this. However all I ask it that you consider that a real person is behind the blue dots on your radar and your actions, or lack of, cause a reduction in enjoyment for them. We do need to fix pubs, to make them enjoyable for the majority or to provide alternatives. But don't use the lack of content or the number of game flaws to pass off actions that cause harm to pubs as justified. You reasons may be sound but the action they invoke is negative. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 241	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:25:00 - [16] - Quote I hope everyone who afk's or defends afk'ers dies slowly from an aggressive cancer.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2198	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:28:00 - [17] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Hating pubs is not problem and many like you have good reasons for this. However all I ask it that you consider that a real person is behind the blue dots on your radar and your actions, or lack of, cause a reduction in enjoyment for them. We do need to fix pubs, to make them enjoyable for the majority or to provide alternatives. But don't use the lack of content or the number of game flaws to pass off actions that cause harm to pubs as justified. I'm a logi, I die for random blues very often. I'll play them if I feel like it, nothing will ever change that and fw is a different story, I always try my best in fw because theres more reason to do so. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1247	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:28:00 - [18] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: I hope everyone who afk's or defends afk'ers dies slowly from an aggressive cancer. That's not a fair respose. Remember AFKing does not come from nowhere. People do it for a reason. People do not AFS (screen) when they go out to watch a movie unless the film is bad. While i disagree with it; the cause of AFKing is not that people are hats that one might wear on ones bottom, but that the product has not engaged them. AFK is a symptom not the disease. My posts to TechMechMeds were not to say he is a bad person in any way, only to point out that others are harmed by his actions. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 242	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:38:00 - [19] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Scalesdini wrote: I hope everyone who afk's or defends afk'ers dies slowly from an aggressive cancer. That's not a fair respose. Remember AFKing does not come from nowhere. People do it for a reason. People do not AFS (screen) when they go out to watch a movie unless the film is bad. While i disagree with it; the cause of AFKing is not that people are hats that one might wear on ones bottom, but that the product has not engaged them. AFK is a symptom not the disease. Did you... actually just compare afk'ing to leaving a movie? Allow me to bring up your comments from 3 posts ago. Quote: However all I ask it that you consider that a real person is behind the blue dots on your radar and your actions, or lack of, cause a reduction in enjoyment for them. The actors don't care if you don't watch their movie. They got paid already. Your comparison is crap, and your lack of ability to discern exaggeration to help articulate an opinion is disturbing at best. CBA doing pubs because you're worried teams are going to be bad? Then go do PC and make money that way, far more reward than pubs. But I'm guessing afk'ers lack the talent required to actually win a PC match considering their problem is they also lack the required ability to be competitive in a pub unless their team is carrying them.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2198	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:44:00 - [20] - Quote Swamps out of fw now anyway for a while, we iz geting welevant innit fo pc. This involves hours upon hours of grinding, meh. So expect much afking from us, if theres go hard proto stomper pub stars making it extremely difficult in a game mode that's designed for lone mercs or small squads then meh, why long it out? Let them have their cake and get the match over, that's the isk grind right there, no alternative. I could deal with that OR come on the forums or bang my gf. Again, it really all boils down to newbs time in academy and isk gain alternatives, I know its all in the pipeline but that doesn't change anything at the mo. And sorry to be a bit blunt right there lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2198	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:46:00 - [21] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Scalesdini wrote: I hope everyone who afk's or defends afk'ers dies slowly from an aggressive cancer. That's not a fair respose. Remember AFKing does not come from nowhere. People do it for a reason. People do not AFS (screen) when they go out to watch a movie unless the film is bad. While i disagree with it; the cause of AFKing is not that people are hats that one might wear on ones bottom, but that the product has not engaged them. AFK is a symptom not the disease. Did you... actually just compare afk'ing to leaving a movie? Allow me to bring up your comments from 3 posts ago. Quote: However all I ask it that you consider that a real person is behind the blue dots on your radar and your actions, or lack of, cause a reduction in enjoyment for them. The actors don't care if you don't watch their movie. They got paid already. Your comparison is crap, and your lack of ability to discern exaggeration to help articulate an opinion is disturbing at best. CBA doing pubs because you're worried teams are going to be bad? Then go do PC and make money that way, far more reward than pubs. But I'm guessing afk'ers lack the talent required to actually win a PC match considering their problem is they also lack the required ability to be competitive in a pub unless their team is carrying them. Your complete lack of comprehension is unbelievable, just be quiet, heres a like, now bugger off lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1247	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:47:00 - [22] - Quote Scalesdini your angry response attacking not my point but my analogy does not progress the topic. It does not even address my point that you quoted. I asked him to "consider" the people. Do you think that I should not have asked him to do that? I was also quite clear as i said that I do not agree with AFKing yet understand the cause of it. You seem to agree with me so I don't quite understand the nature of your post. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Rowdy Railgunner Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 337	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:47:00 - [23] - Quote I think people that AFK have neither a girlfriend or a life. What they have is a PS3 or two and a PC, so they go AFK and then come onto the forums to tell us that they are banging Rosie and her 5 sisters to sound cool. Which is more sad than just saying that I have multiple devices and if you saw me AFK in the MCC it is because I was playing a different character/game but still wanted the points from it. Stop lying. Be truthful with others or you will never find the truth in yourself.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2198	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:50:00 - [24] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: I think people that AFK have neither a girlfriend or a life. What they have is a PS3 or two and a PC, so they go AFK and then come onto the forums to tell us that they are banging Rosie and her 5 sisters to sound cool. Which is more sad than just saying that I have multiple devices and if you saw me AFK in the MCC it is because I was playing a different character/game but still wanted the points from it. Stop lying. Be truthful with others or you will never find the truth in yourself. You can generalise and assume whatever trash you want, your inference is relative your experience, what does that tell you? Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1249	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:55:00 - [25] - Quote I do not AFK. I do not have a girlfriend. What does that make me to you Rowdy Railgunner? Also cheating on Rosie by also seeing her sisters is not cool.I would not respect anyone who thinks that it would be. Also it would be extremely draining, both physically and financially. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2198	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:58:00 - [26] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I do not AFK. I do not have a girlfriend. What does that make me to you Rowdy Railgunner? Also cheating on Rosie by also seeing her sisters is not cool.I would not respect anyone who thinks that it would be. Also it would be extremely draining, but physically and financially. Psychology dictates that he's enforcing his teenage memories onto me because he doesn't like what I say, or he's self reflecting. Either way I couldn't give two fks mate lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 242	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:59:00 - [27] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Scalesdini your angry response attacking not my point but my analogy does not progress the topic. It does not even address my point that you quoted. I asked him to "consider" the people. Do you think that I should not have asked him to do that? I was also quite clear as i said that I do not agree with AFKing yet understand the cause of it. You seem to agree with me so I don't quite understand the nature of your post. Does it bother you that I understand TechMechMeds actions and will not attack him personally for his views but that I am trying to understand his reasons? His actions are based on his real experiences. His frustration is real and his reasons, as I said, can be justified by him. I read what he is saying and it makes my want to fix pubs so he likes them or help CCP find alternative ISK gains not kick him from the game and rage at him. Your point is invalid. His defense of afk'ing is he doesn't like pubs because blueberries are trash and it's boring blahblahblah. Blueberries are just as trash in FW, so why does he "go hard" there but afk in pubs? Furthermore, implying someone could dislike pubs while liking any other game mode is also ridiculous, being that FW and PC are both the same game mode as skirmish. You can't afk ambush, and nobody is forced to play domination, at least not since 1.4. Again, if afk'ers feel blueberries are such trash and just cannot be bothered actually playing pubs, why don't they just do PC? The potential for reward is much higher, and since these guys are clearly so much better than random blues, they should have no problem taking districts, right? Sure, matchmaking is crap and sometimes you get a raw deal on teams. At that point in time, these players that consider themselves so vastly superior than the bluedots on their team should embrace non-standard tactics to shift the tide of battle to their favor. It doesn't always work, but it's more fun than sitting in the MCC for half an hour to get paid 100k isk.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2198	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:03:00 - [28] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Scalesdini your angry response attacking not my point but my analogy does not progress the topic. It does not even address my point that you quoted. I asked him to "consider" the people. Do you think that I should not have asked him to do that? I was also quite clear as i said that I do not agree with AFKing yet understand the cause of it. You seem to agree with me so I don't quite understand the nature of your post. Does it bother you that I understand TechMechMeds actions and will not attack him personally for his views but that I am trying to understand his reasons? His actions are based on his real experiences. His frustration is real and his reasons, as I said, can be justified by him. I read what he is saying and it makes my want to fix pubs so he likes them or help CCP find alternative ISK gains not kick him from the game and rage at him. Your point is invalid. His defense of afk'ing is he doesn't like pubs because blueberries are trash and it's boring blahblahblah. Blueberries are just as trash in FW, so why does he "go hard" there but afk in pubs? Furthermore, implying someone could dislike pubs while liking any other game mode is also ridiculous, being that FW and PC are both the same game mode as skirmish. You can't afk ambush, and nobody is forced to play domination, at least not since 1.4. Again, if afk'ers feel blueberries are such trash and just cannot be bothered actually playing pubs, why don't they just do PC? The potential for reward is much higher, and since these guys are clearly so much better than random blues, they should have no problem taking districts, right? Sure, matchmaking is crap and sometimes you get a raw deal on teams. At that point in time, these players that consider themselves so vastly superior than the bluedots on their team should embrace non-standard tactics to shift the tide of battle to their favor. It doesn't always work, but it's more fun than sitting in the MCC for half an hour to get paid 100k isk. So you have no reading comprehension what so ever? Re read what I put, stop making assumptions, I didn't post on here to state why people do it knowing I'd get flamed by muppets like you for fun, sort it out. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1251	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:05:00 - [29] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: ....Blueberries are just as trash in FW.........these players that consider themselves so vastly superior than the bluedots on their team should embrace non-standard tactics to shift the tide of battle to their favor..... Does your first point not make YOU one of those very players? Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2198	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:07:00 - [30] - Quote And more to the point, what the fk are you actually doing here? Iv stated why people afk, judge was attempting to do something about the situation and you are mindlessly hyping up a bunch of plain sht. I thought I was a bit of a d!k but damn, you get Grammy for your pointless sht lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2199	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:13:00 - [31] - Quote I'm just going to hide your posts scallywag, you are on some next level hype based on what you would rather think as opposed to what you just read. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 13	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:14:00 - [32] - Quote The answer to all these problems = PvE Boom, Everyone would stop bitching and we would have a much more fun alternative for farming isk, then PvP would be more enjoyable because we could all just run our best stuff while blueberries level up in PvE Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2199	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:15:00 - [33] - Quote I am actually done here, but what I stated is why a lot of people afk. Iv said it how it is for me and my corp, it's that simple. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 242	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:15:00 - [34] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Scalesdini wrote: ....Blueberries are just as trash in FW.........these players that consider themselves so vastly superior than the bluedots on their team .. Does your first point not make YOU one of "these players" who think themselves superiour? In your own words no less. Scalesdini wrote: implying someone could dislike pubs while liking any other game mode is also ridiculous Also he did not imply it. He stated it. So it cannot be ridiculous to think people believe it because he does. Fun fact: In life, some people are better at some things than other people are. But alas, this was not my point, but mad stupid fly dumb doggy props for trying to make it about me instead of actually debating the point I made. Also: Jihadists think blowing themselves up on a bus full of civilians is what their god wants them to do. It doesn't make that sentiment any less ridiculous. Just because someone thinks something doesn't mean it isn't ridiculous.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2199	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:16:00 - [35] - Quote Lonewolf Heavy wrote: The answer to all these problems = PvE Boom, Everyone would stop bitching and we would have a much more fun alternative for farming isk, then PvP would be more enjoyable because we could all just run our best stuff while blueberries level up in PvE With this, the thread can get back on track. o7 Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 261	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:19:00 - [36] - Quote afking is a very important part of my dust life. It makes the match more fair because if I were to play then the enemy team will end up redlined and the game will be boring.... without afking I would not be able to be as productive on PS4 or on my pc games. simply multi tasking. Staying in the redline is worse than afking. Fix the redline and ill afk less. The redline is way to big. I can go a couple of hundred meters behind the mcc.... more importantly, rail tanks can have full access to the sky when backed up far enough while im stuck defenseless in the sky with no way of defending myself.
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 261	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:21:00 - [37] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: afking is a very important part of my dust life. It makes the match more fair because if I were to play then the enemy team will end up redlined and the game will be boring.... without afking I would not be able to be as productive on PS4 or on my pc games. simply multi tasking. Staying in the redline is worse than afking. Fix the redline and ill afk less. The redline is way to big. I can go a couple of hundred meters behind the mcc.... more importantly, rail tanks can have full access to the sky when backed up far enough while im stuck defenseless in the sky with no way of defending myself. Above message was written while afking. lol.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1253	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:21:00 - [38] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Lonewolf Heavy wrote: The answer to all these problems = PvE Boom, Everyone would stop bitching and we would have a much more fun alternative for farming isk, then PvP would be more enjoyable because we could all just run our best stuff while blueberries level up in PvE With this, the thread can get back on track. o7 Do you think that is the best or only solution? Is there anything that would change a pub that would engage more people? If FW, which is the same maps and modes, can engage then the elements that make it so could perhaps move to pubs thus making them engaging. You mention that it is that they matter. Perhaps Pubs could be made to matter to. An EVE link of some sort, or perhaps a link to FW even. I ask because until the player base is expanded we risk splitting the players into so many segments that it all falls apart. As a side note Scalesdini almost made it to Godwins law... almost. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 13	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:24:00 - [39] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Lonewolf Heavy wrote: The answer to all these problems = PvE Boom, Everyone would stop bitching and we would have a much more fun alternative for farming isk, then PvP would be more enjoyable because we could all just run our best stuff while blueberries level up in PvE With this, the thread can get back on track. o7 No problem o7 I've been playing dust since early closed beta, and so has most of my corp and we have asked ourselves this same question many times, and we have (after months of debate) decided that PvE is the answer. PvE is the most Nub friendly answer to most Player problems in the game, Pub stompers would actually have to face other protos because there would be an outside source of revenue for isk that they cannot tamper with, and nubs like i said, would be able to get a hold of the basics of the game and grind up levels without being discouraged by protostompers, and some of us for awhile can blow off some steam after being stuck with PvP for almost the last 2 years (i think) and being promised PvE for the last year, in PvE instead of Stomping the life out of teams with our Standard and Militia gear Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 13	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:28:00 - [40] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Do you think that is the best or only solution? Is there anything that would change a pub that would engage more people? If FW, which is the same maps and modes, can engage then the elements that make it so could perhaps move to pubs thus making them engaging. You mention that it is that they matter. Perhaps Pubs could be made to matter to. An EVE link of some sort, or perhaps a link to FW even. I ask because until the player base is expanded we risk splitting the players into so many segments that it all falls apart. As a side note Scalesdini almost made it to Godwins law... almost. Honestly, I know there probably are better options to engage more players, but PvE is an option that they have promised for a long time, and i know for a fact that if CCP announced they were giving us PvE, many players would return to the game. The EVE link wouldnt help much right now to drag new players in. PvE is just a more friendly new player option. And honestly, it might be safer to split the player base because then at least it will lower how many players we are losing. Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price

Rowdy Railgunner Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 337	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:39:00 - [41] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I do not AFK. I do not have a girlfriend. What does that make me to you Rowdy Railgunner? Also cheating on Rosie by also seeing her sisters is not cool.I would not respect anyone who thinks that it would be. Also it would be extremely draining, but physically and financially. Psychology dictates that he's enforcing his teenage memories onto me because he doesn't like what I say, or he's self reflecting. Either way I couldn't give two fks mate lol. When I was a teenager the internet to me was going out and conversing with people in person at different places, or being tied to a curly cord from the anchor on the wall. Our facebook was the bathroom walls and our twitter was the things we yelled after a neighborhood vs. neighborhood fight. And Judge, if you don't AFK then why did you take offense to my post?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2622	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:39:00 - [42] - Quote Lonewolf Heavy wrote: The answer to all these problems = PvE Boom, Everyone would stop QQing about Blueberries and protostomps and we would have a much more fun alternative for farming isk, then PvP would be more enjoyable because we could all just run our best stuff while blueberries level up in PvE You are merely saying that because you want PVE. That's still not a direct fix for the problem with pubs. But pubs won't change until you get better players. It's obvious quite a few people left this game because the hapless blueberry is quite numerous in matches now. Or I could be wrong because of the semester that has already started. Who knows? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Horizen Kenpachi Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 98	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:43:00 - [43] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Let me farm LP in peace, Caldari ain't winning anyways. Epic story thats how i got my gunnilogi ps u better still be rocking those tanks i belive u alone can stop tank spam Hit me with your nerf bat.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1253	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:47:00 - [44] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: And Judge, if you don't AFK then why did you take offense to my post? I didn't. I was pointing out in a flippent manner that you clearly implied that someone who has no girlfriend was something that could be used as a way to make judgments about their morals or behavior. You correlated 'no girlfriend' with 'AFKing'. There is no correlation or causal link there. It was a silly thing to say don't you think? Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Horizen Kenpachi Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 98	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:48:00 - [45] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Some have gotten partially 'nonAfk AFK-ing' However the hell you're supposed to say it. He sat on our ground spawn's missile turret, spamming the enemy MCC the entire match. No joke. Spawn in, go to call a car, wait for the 6 militia tanks/dses, then look to my left and there he is. Come back later with a Aurum maddy which i obtained from roadkilling the driver whilst he waits for it to drop, had 2hardeners and a scaner/nitrous setup, cpu on spare low. Naturally after blowing up 2 gunnies i had to rep, and went to the redline, while i'm repping it up i hear the mass spamming of missiles and there he is. Im jealous it sounds like he has more fun than all of us Hit me with your nerf bat.
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 13	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:48:00 - [46] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Lonewolf Heavy wrote: The answer to all these problems = PvE Boom, Everyone would stop QQing about Blueberries and protostomps and we would have a much more fun alternative for farming isk, then PvP would be more enjoyable because we could all just run our best stuff while blueberries level up in PvE You are merely saying that because you want PVE. That's still not a direct fix for the problem with pubs. But pubs won't change until you get better players. It's obvious quite a few people left this game because the hapless blueberry is quite numerous in matches now. Or I could be wrong because of the semester that has already started. Who knows? That is true, but it is a start, PvE is a reasonable way to Fix some of the problems. Pub Stomping won't stop. Most of my Corp are Closed Beta Vets and we can stomp out a team with our standard gear, so Setting a Restriction on Proto won't make a difference there. PvE is even though it will divide the population of the game, can at least give New Players a safe place to level up and earn isk. (Note: Normally i could explain myself better but its 4am here and I just got off dust) Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
Rowdy Railgunner Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 337	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:51:00 - [47] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: And Judge, if you don't AFK then why did you take offense to my post? I didn't. I was pointing out in a flippent manner that you clearly implied that someone who has no girlfriend was something that could be used as a way to make judgments about their behavior. You correlated 'no girlfriend' with 'AFKing'. There is no correlation or causal link there. It was a silly thing to say don't you think? No, I was commenting on the fact that most people that say they AFK also say they were throwing a bone to their girlfriend at the time and that is why they AFK. You and I both know that is just a false statement, so I said my piece about it.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1254	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:54:00 - [48] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: I think people that AFK have neither a girlfriend or a life. We know what you said. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 248	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:58:00 - [49] - Quote Z Omega wrote: Subject says it all. Does anyone else get pissed off at the people that just hide in the MCC, not doing anything? I've played matches 16v16 and 11 players were just sitting in the MCC, moving just a little bit every now and then to not get auto booted. It's irritating that they're taking up space that actual helpful players could be occupying. I can't even think of a good plan that would stop people from doing this, the only one I can think of is the MCC has an auto eject after a certain period of time, but then all they'd do is spawn somewhere else and do f*ck all. Maybe a report function of some kind, but then there is always room for abuse of that. What's other people's thoughts? DO you have a picture of this? I would love to see 11 people in the MCC. I know I still MCC camp when going out Open Beta Fed 16th 2013. Scout fix + Heavy suits + Heavy guns = soonGäó
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2623	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:00:00 - [50] - Quote Lonewolf Heavy wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Lonewolf Heavy wrote: The answer to all these problems = PvE Boom, Everyone would stop QQing about Blueberries and protostomps and we would have a much more fun alternative for farming isk, then PvP would be more enjoyable because we could all just run our best stuff while blueberries level up in PvE You are merely saying that because you want PVE. That's still not a direct fix for the problem with pubs. But pubs won't change until you get better players. It's obvious quite a few people left this game because the hapless blueberry is quite numerous in matches now. Or I could be wrong because of the semester that has already started. Who knows? That is true, but it is a start, PvE is a reasonable way to Fix some of the problems. Pub Stomping won't stop. Most of my Corp are Closed Beta Vets and we can stomp out a team with our standard gear, so Setting a Restriction on Proto won't make a difference there. PvE is even though it will divide the population of the game, can at least give New Players a safe place to level up and earn isk. (Note: Normally i could explain myself better but its 4am here and I just got off dust) It was expressed clearly. Nevertheless, I would love to see PVE come aboard to shake up the monotony just a bit. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]

Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1256	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:01:00 - [51] - Quote I want PVE too. Just not thrown in without thought just so CCP can say "see... PVE" Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 15	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:04:00 - [52] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: It was expressed clearly. Nevertheless, I would love to see PVE come aboard to shake up the monotony just a bit. Honestly, After having maintained districts from day 1 of PC until november, i feel PvE probably would have been more effective to have been given first, It would have provided us an easy way to Earn our Isk to stock up suits for PC battles. Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
Horizen Kenpachi Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 100	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:07:00 - [53] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Scalesdini wrote: ....Blueberries are just as trash in FW.........these players that consider themselves so vastly superior than the bluedots on their team .. Does your first point not make YOU one of "these players" who think themselves superiour? In your own words no less. Scalesdini wrote: implying someone could dislike pubs while liking any other game mode is also ridiculous Also he did not imply it. He stated it. So it cannot be ridiculous to think people believe it because he does. Fun fact: In life, some people are better at some things than other people are. But alas, this was not my point, but mad stupid fly dumb doggy props for trying to make it about me instead of actually debating the point I made. Also: Jihadists think blowing themselves up on a bus full of civilians is what their god wants them to do. It doesn't make that sentiment any less ridiculous. Just because someone thinks something doesn't mean it isn't ridiculous. U have offended my tribe ( climbs in lav and drives into tank ) Hit me with your nerf bat.
Rowdy Railgunner Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 337	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:21:00 - [54] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: I think people that AFK have neither a girlfriend or a life. We know what you said. If you AFK you have no girlfriend. This is unfounded. This statement, that ends with a full stop, is unambiguous and not open to interpretation. If bolAFK = True then . .set VarIntRelationshipRank = 0 Else . .set VarIntRelationshipRank = 1 EndIF And you don't AFK so it was not directed towards you nor should you take offense to it. That statement was directed specifically at those that have made those claims about why they AFK and why they support it. I hope that I offended them because that was the purpose of my statement. If you want to jump on their bandwagon and fight for them go for it. I find their cause meaningless and unsubstantial in the greater good of the game and their reasons to be not based in reality. That is just me though, I am sure since you want to champion for them that you find all of their claims based in hard factual evidence. Because I am sure that Mr. TechMechMeds is actually "banging his gf" like he said in this thread right, right? And just like all the other people in threads about AFK that are doing the same such acts...
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1598	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:33:00 - [55] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Until ccp gives an isk gain alternative I think its only fair we can afk. We shouldn't be forced to play pubs nor argue over the morality of it. Fair on who? It's not fair on the other players on your team when you avoid helping. I think we should be clear that this is not a victim-less action. When you AFK you are not improving the match you are in. I think it can be said unequivocally that you are harming it. Do you think any new players are having their experience of the game made more or less positive by your actions? How about those who can only play a few games a night as they have many commitments? That short play window they have is disrupted by one sided matches often made possible by one team having 16 players on the field and the other 10, with 6 in the MCC. Because you want ISK but do not want to play the game as it is currently to gain this ISK does not mean you should feel justified in your actions. We may need other ways to get ISK, but that does not justify you making the game less enjoyable for others so you can get what you want. When you AFK you spoil the game for those who enjoy it. You may hate pubs, or find justified frustration with the issues the game has but some players do not feel that way. There are issues with match making, lag and so on and these things make a game less enjoyable and need to be addressed but you have to realize that AFKing is also one of the issues in that same list. How about instead of afking you use cheap suits, Tech? I have a fit specifically designed for pubs, frontline suit with a rail rifle and smg, costs me ~2,500 a suit, with an average payout of 150, 000 I can literally die 50 times a match and still make a profit. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 112	Posted - 2014.01.18 12:19:00 - [56] - Quote put team killing in public matches
Z Omega The Brotherhood of the Omega 0	Posted - 2014.01.21 09:57:00 - [57] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: In pubs? Yeah I afk in pubs. Swamps simply grinding isk with a high corp tax rate to get into pc quicker. If the enemy team is a bunch of proto pub star nubs then I afk, thrn come on here or bang my gf. Pubs are pure meh and your quip is with ccp for giving us no options but to grind in shtty All I read was I suck and can't compete, so I'm going to ruin it for everyone.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 102	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:03:00 - [58] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Scalesdini your angry response attacking not my point but my analogy does not progress the topic. It does not even address my point that you quoted. I asked him to "consider" the people. Do you think that I should not have asked him to do that? I was also quite clear as i said that I do not agree with AFKing yet understand the cause of it. You seem to agree with me so I don't quite understand the nature of your post. Does it bother you that I understand TechMechMeds actions and will not attack him personally for his views but that I am trying to understand his reasons? His actions are based on his real experiences. His frustration is real and his reasons, as I said, can be justified by him. I read what he is saying and it makes my want to fix pubs so he likes them or help CCP find alternative ISK gains not kick him from the game and rage at him. A very reasoned gent indeed. You see guys this is why I like Judge. He is always polite even when in disagreement. I dont even know this guy save from in-game combat and forum warrior clashes. Some of you could learn a thing or two.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1635	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:10:00 - [59] - Quote You either make sure every Caldari blueberry is able to call in OBs and does so, or I will continue afking in the MCC to call the OBs in myself. I mean seriously: Even when I afk all the time in the MCC and call in 3 or 4 orbitals every match I'm still more useful than your stock Caldari blueberry. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 579	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:13:00 - [60] - Quote SickJ wrote: For Faction Warfare, they should just start giving out LP based on how many Warpoints you get. Boom, problem solved. Yes, this could work. Of course if I see people afking in FW and it's almost downtime, then just spawn in there and go to town on them...

steadyhand amarr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 2173	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:44:00 - [61] - Quote Blunt truth. If you cant consistently win pubs and FW matches with your squad your going to get your ass handed to you in PC so claiming your grinding for isk to get into PC is either rubished or stupidly underestimate what ur going up agenst. Secondly weather you care or not by AFKing you are runing the game for everyone and frankly im tempted to make sure every corp that encourages afking never holds lands in PC ever, its not like AE needs much of an excuse. If you AFK you are runing the game end off "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES 208	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:47:00 - [62] - Quote Z Omega wrote: Subject says it all. Does anyone else get pissed off at the people that just hide in the MCC, not doing anything? I've played matches 16v16 and 11 players were just sitting in the MCC, moving just a little bit every now and then to not get auto booted. It's irritating that they're taking up space that actual helpful players could be occupying. I can't even think of a good plan that would stop people from doing this, the only one I can think of is the MCC has an auto eject after a certain period of time, but then all they'd do is spawn somewhere else and do f*ck all. Maybe a report function of some kind, but then there is always room for abuse of that. What's other people's thoughts? im sorry, but where's their inccentive to not hide in the MCC? they still get sp, isk, and dont lose any gear. at a personal level, theyre actually winning. so ill just assume hat its all working as intended by CCP
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 749	Posted - 2014.01.21 11:38:00 - [63] - Quote If I push the objectives, kill 4/5 enemies and then get outnumbered/outgunned and I haven't seen a single blue for the first 5 mins then sorry I'm going to stay in the MCC And you know what? I often place 6th or higher for this initial push. If my team sucks that much then why should I waste my isk helping them "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 343	Posted - 2014.01.21 11:45:00 - [64] - Quote I afk because ccp allows and rewards it. Saying that afk'ing ruins the game is a red herring. The game ruins the game and it's not my fault that the sp grind and isk grind is so crap that afk'ing is the solution. That or massive liver damage. Fix red line rail tanks/snipers Fix rediculously stacked proto stomping Fix seven tank blapathons It's almost as if the carrot were more fun to chase, we wouldn't be having this problem in the first place. Instead, i'm catching up on game of thrones while my dude runs into an mcc wall endlessly every 13 minutes.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 482	Posted - 2014.01.21 12:00:00 - [65] - Quote Play a game where you log in and do nothing? Start a game then walk away? How sad is that?? lol how about finding a game that you actually play & enjoy? Get a life? 2 many losers around ruining the experience for others.. My Channel : Valhalla South
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 343	Posted - 2014.01.21 12:06:00 - [66] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Play a game where you log in and do nothing? Start a game then walk away? How sad is that?? lol how about finding a game that you actually play & enjoy? Get a life? 2 many losers around ruining the experience for others.. Posts in a forum about pretend space mans Uses lol and 2 as words Pot, kettle, something something.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 483	Posted - 2014.01.21 12:20:00 - [67] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Play a game where you log in and do nothing? Start a game then walk away? How sad is that?? lol how about finding a game that you actually play & enjoy? Get a life? 2 many losers around ruining the experience for others.. Posts in a forum about pretend space mans Uses lol and 2 as words Pot, kettle, something something. Some of us are not native English speakers sunshine. Is this hard to understand? My Channel : Valhalla South
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 343	Posted - 2014.01.21 12:23:00 - [68] - Quote Sincerest apologies. What country's mother tongue is 15 y/o text speak though?
Teilka Darkmist 24	Posted - 2014.01.21 12:42:00 - [69] - Quote If you just sit in the MCC too long, maybe a minute or two, then, regardless of what type of match you're in, you should be kicked so another player can take the slot. No isk, no WP, No LP. Unless you've already been n the ground, then the timer goes up to maybe 5 mins and you keep what you've already earned. That way if a player takes part, dies and has to run afk quickly, to use the toilet for example, you're not unfairly kicked. And if it is a afker, they're swapped out for someone who wants to take part so the team doesn't lose out as much. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be near the opponents redline than own.
Teilka Darkmist 24	Posted - 2014.01.21 12:53:00 - [70] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: Fix red line rail tanks/snipers Fix rediculously stacked proto stomping Fix seven tank blapathons It's almost as if the carrot were more fun to chase, we wouldn't be having this problem in the first place. Instead, i'm catching up on game of thrones while my dude runs into an mcc wall endlessly every 13 minutes. E: just wanted to highlight the irony of steadyhands' signature wrt him hating afk'ers Redlininghas an in game tactic to counter it, tanks and snipers. 'Protostomping, 'blapathons' and 'tankspam' just need the market to be connected to eve to fix, even without that good teamwork makes it possible to overcome the situation. AFKing in an MCC has no in game counter. If you're saying the game is too broken in your opinion to be fun to play. Stop playig and trying to ruin the experience for people who think it is fun to play. I'm sure CCP will miss your monthly subscription... Oh, wait, you get to play dust completely for free don't you? When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be near the opponents redline than own.

CELTIC TARON Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 18	Posted - 2014.01.21 13:10:00 - [71] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Until ccp gives an isk gain alternative I think its only fair we can afk. We shouldn't be forced to play pubs nor argue over the morality of it. Fair on who? It's not fair on the other players on your team when you avoid helping. I think we should be clear that this is not a victim-less action. When you AFK you are not improving the match you are in. I think it can be said unequivocally that you are harming it. Do you think any new players are having their experience of the game made more or less positive by your actions? How about those who can only play a few games a night as they have many commitments? That short play window they have is disrupted by one sided matches often made possible by one team having 16 players on the field and the other 10, with 6 in the MCC. Because you want ISK but do not want to play the game as it is currently to gain this ISK does not mean you should feel justified in your actions. We may need other ways to get ISK, but that does not justify you making the game less enjoyable for others so you can get what you want. When you AFK you spoil the game for those who enjoy it. You may hate pubs, or find justified frustration with the issues the game has but some players do not feel that way. There are issues with match making, lag and so on and these things make a game less enjoyable and need to be addressed but you have to realize that AFKing is also one of the issues in that same list. With all due respect, how the hell am I supposed to gain isk for my corp when I hate pubs? I have no choice but to do them when I don't want to in the slightest., I hate them and CBA with them that much that if its going to be a long shtty slog to win a silly pub match then I really CBA, I'm just saying. So as I said, instead of us biaching over justifications and morality, ccp should put some focus on keeping newbs in the academy or give us alternatives to make isk. I'm sorry mate but I really don't care, theres nothing that anyone can say that will make me care, I'm not in charge of new players length of time spent in the academy or alternative isk gain choices. o7 This message of itself is enough to throw a big red flag to any of you newer players lol. Stay far far away from this corp :p PC Tanker AND PROUD! Especially When I Shove A Missile Up Your Arse! Yes Militia need adjusted Long Live Tanks :)
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 0	Posted - 2014.01.21 13:11:00 - [72] - Quote It is a minor form of exploit. Worse ones include the ones spamming hives in the redline and accumulating WPs. And yes it is cheating to get active SP when not active. I'd use the Olympic Games drug cheat system. AFK Multiple times in week and his isk and SP get reset to starter level. Get reset multiple times all your accounts get baselined. Two or more members of your player corp do it and the whole team gets penalized.
sira draco Ancient Erectiles 40	Posted - 2014.01.21 13:39:00 - [73] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: In pubs? Yeah I afk in pubs. Swamps simply grinding isk with a high corp tax rate to get into pc quicker. If the enemy team is a bunch of proto pub star nubs then I afk, thrn come on here or bang my gf. Pubs are pure meh and your quip is with ccp for giving us no options but to grind in shtty pub matches. If theres an actual decent opposing team we'll bother, but usually its just scum and theres not enough fks given between us to even bother in pubs. And I speak for a lot guaranteed. Now how does it go? Ah yes. Inb4newbssayishouldgiveAfk I agree, this is the real issue, this game is so unbalanced that most matches become very boring and I have no desire to even play the game, so I finish the match in the mcc


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