1-Are you still a scout?
2-WHAT SCOUT do you use, which one will you use.?

and please dont lie,because i will find out.....

I DONT REALLY think you REALLY think that about the Amarr Scout. I think, you will first have to have the MIN,GAL,CAL scouts before you EVEN consider having the Amarr scout, and you being an Amarrian born...

I'm going to skill into amarr scout regardless. However I agree with what you're saying.

Amarr regardless of suit should have highest pg and CPU. At least pg.

4 pg equates to at LEAST 30 CPU!!

Am I a scout still? You must be trolling.

I am a Minnie and will remain a minnie. Of course I'm not going to play amarr because armor aint my thing.

I can pretty much kill Mimjas without having to follow them.
Its called Low TTK+AA+Rifle....

So..we are back to square one. WHat is the Amarr scout purpose....?

Just keep voicing your opinions, you guys can probably get the bonus changed.

Look at the initial bonuses the scouts had, now look at them. Hell, look at the Minny, it gained the hack bonus everyone asked for. Everyone, get together and come up with the one thing you really want and get all the support you can.

And, no offense, but find someone else to type it up.

It kind of seems to me that the amarr scout is designed to kill minjas. They are way tougher, and their inhuman stamina ultimately defeats our speed.


You guys are like the storm troopers of dust. You come in and run your prey down until they are out of breath and then when they are corned and have to fight, you still have more in the tank, are way tougher, and now have the upper hand in every way. Now if there is a group of you, it's a force multiplier. You can literally run anything down.


Sounds kind of evil to me!

Sounds kind of evil to me!

The 3hp/s is useless if you still die from 3 hits. This is going to be mostly for tanked scouts.

The 30 hp is meh, but the extra stamina helps. I only have 1 skill in regulators, and those basic mods feel incredible.

If you have level 5 scout for Amarr, you'll be able to sprint for about 2 or 3 more seconds than a Gallentean, which could makea difference. Slap on some kincats - maybe 1 more regulator - and you're good to go.

Ironically, the Amarr are going to be speed tankers.

3hp/s didn't make logis OP.
5hp/s did, on a suit that already had more slots than any other suit, with a fuckton of CPU/PG.

Remove that 5hp/s and logis would still be OP.

Just a correction for you.

The 3hp/s is useless if you still die from 3 hits. This is going to be mostly for tanked scouts.

The 30 hp is meh, but the extra stamina helps. I only have 1 skill in regulators, and those basic mods feel incredible.

If you have level 5 scout for Amarr, you'll be able to sprint for about 2 or 3 more seconds than a Gallentean, which could makea difference. Slap on some kincats - maybe 1 more regulator - and you're good to go.

Ironically, the Amarr are going to be speed tankers.

Just keep voicing your opinions, you guys can probably get the bonus changed.

Look at the initial bonuses the scouts had, now look at them. Hell, look at the Minny, it gained the hack bonus everyone asked for. Everyone, get together and come up with the one thing you really want and get all the support you can.

And, no offense, but find someone else to type it up.

Let me just start off by saying that at Level V you will have a COMPLEX Cardiac Regulator and an enhanced armor repairer built in.

I think the Amarr Scout was envisioned as the only Scout that could forgo speed and armor tank everything else to hell. With 25% CPU from electronics and 25% more PG from engineering you could potentially run 4 COMPLEX Ferroscale plates for 300 more HP or 4 basic reactive plates (no speed penalty) for 100 more and +4 rep.

I think you are also undervaluing the ability to run a complex CPU mid and Complex PG Mod, you would be able to have everything at proto level and still have 2 low slots for dampening/biotics/armor.

That +3 armor bonus means A LOT!

*blink blink* are we really discussing CCP's math? We KNOW they're terrible. Something HAS to be OP with CCP. They're worthless FPS developers. They've PROVEN this countless times, look at the flaylock, hmg, mass driver, logi, current militia tanks, and the rail rifle. They haven't a clue what they are doing, and are mucking it up more and more as time goes by. They're a joke in the FPS world. Even GTA (not a FPS) has adjustable door locks on the fly. Waiting 5 seconds to pick up squad mates is ridiculous. Setting your door locks to squad/friends WORKS. Although, that sounds like 5 years of coding for CCP.

Agreed.

On paper all this might not seem like much but you'll be running for ~28 seconds innately and it'll take you 5 seconds to refill that pool.

I don't think you guys are taking into consideration how useful running and jumping for a near infinite amount of time with a complex regulator will be.

4PG against 10 CPU seems fair ? Seriously ?

Considering that 1 PG does not equal 1 CPU (go look at some suit stats and module stats, 1 PG is a lot more valuable than 1 CPU) then yes, it is fair.

Likewise, I don't think anyone is considering the actual values of standard, enhanced, and complex cardiac regulators and how easy it would be to mimic the Amarr scout. The Amarr scout bonus isn't even as good as a standard cardiac regulator, have you considered that?

I wrote this up already but figured it fit here very nicely


In order for the minmatar scout to match the amarrian scout stat-wise:
1 proto ferroscale plate
1 militia green pill

Now the minnie scount has more speed, stamina, stamina regen, hacking speed, strafing, jumping, and more HP, oh and 4 free high-slots.

In order for the amarr suit to attempt to match the minmatr suit:

1 complex code breaker
1 basic code breaker
3 complex damage mods (can't fit anymore than 2 anyway)
1 enhanced kincat

Now the amarrian suit has comparible sprint speed (slower strafe/lower jumping) comparible hacking speed, and can't match the damage output due to not being able to fit enough damage mods, oh and 1 free low-slot.

I say give amarr scout a 1/5 slot layout muahahahhaahaah

@aero just did the math

I'm pretty sure it's balanced around regulators and not meant to be equipped without it just like the minmatar needs to equip either a codebreaker or knives to be very good at either of those things.

A minmatar (seconds highest stamina)with a complex regulator will run for about 42 seconds requiring 14 cpu and 8 pg. An amar with an enhanced will run ~55 seconds and 9 cpu and 5 cpu.

To catch an Amarr scout with one complex regulator (14 cpu/8 pg ~59 seconds) a minmatar would have to equip 2 complex regulators (28 cpu/16 pg ~84 seconds).

Say you wanted to put two complex regulators (28 cpu/16 pg ~118 seconds). A gallente (the only one other suit that has enough low slots) would require 3 complex regulators requiring (42 cpu/24 pg ~160 seconds straight).

If you put three on... well nobody is ever going to catch you.

To make use of the bonus you have to equip a regulator like a minmatar has to equip a knife or a code breaker to really get use of it's bonuses.

Increasing that stamina bonus anymore is kind of moot.

Your bonus is variety or lack of a specific bonus that requires a specific playstyle. The knife bonus is kind of a silly thing to poke at as it's a specific weapon with a specific playstyle requiring a specific suit. Regulators are useful in every situation. Knives are not. Hack bonus is useful for a specific situation. Again regulators are useful in EVERY situation.

Just because it's boring and non specific doesn't mean it's bad or imbalanced.

I was going to spec into the Amarr Scout, so I'm part of the target group here.

- The 30 hp bonus is actually rather useful. All Amarr suits are 1-v-1 specialists and so should the scout. Everything else being equal the Gallente Scout will be dead when you still have 27 hp left. There's no repairing from that. You on the other hand can just drop a compact nanohive and walk away.
- The lack of additional fitting resources is balanced by the lack of the reduced slot count. I'll just add a CPU or PG module and it'll be as before, just with more flexibility.
- The reduction in movement speed is a very serious problem for a scout. It's just going to take that bit more time to get from cover to cover. If TTK stayed the same for 1.8 this would be a massive issue for me. I assume it's going to be a problem still, but I'll reserve the benefit of doubt for CCP.
- I've been playing the Gallente Scout for a while now and I *never* considered exchanging a range amplification module for a cardiac regulator. Not even a complex cardiac for a basic range extender. Not even two complex cardiacs. In 1.7 we'd be talking about trading 11 meter scan range (that's 25% of my scan range with only one module) against ... I was going to write something, but then I realized I never run out of stamina in 1.7...

Everything else seems acceptable, but the skill bonus is really bad. For all I care it wouldn't get better if the Amarr Scout had infinite stamina. I was originally hoping for a bonus that supported it's 1-v-1 power. E.g. a bonus to armor plate efficacy or a damage bonus to it's weapons. Stamina seems very useless.

I guess I'll stick with my passive scanning Gallente Scout for 1.8.

Two bonuses for two different mod compared to the same bonuses on 1 mod and have anyone actually tried steam regs your giving up tank just to run a bit longer that really doesn't suit the Amarr play style.