I kinda just want the 25% to PD back for all scouts or just give the cloak a lore description saying why scout could use it better then any other suit.

Please keep stamina differences in mind. This is hugely significant.

Please keep stamina differences in mind. This is hugely significant.

1- 30 HP is the difference between Gallente and Minmatar and when you max out your armor skill you're going to have a hayday. My GalScout armor is at 162 innate think about how much it will be on an Amarr

2-Also the suit is not gimped by lack of slots which I thought was customary amongst Amarr suits so there's something.

3-But also think about the fitting requirements of a Basic Cardiac Regulator versus those of Profile Dampener + Range Amp. they cost nothing practically while you will have a severe stamina buff that although is less than a module, is given FREE.

I'm not saying certain other aspects don't seem unnappealing but well, I think yall are putting things in too weird of context. 15 CPU per module versus 5 PG.

Really? Could you possibly aid me by directing me to this information?

correction: with skills you'll be sprinting for 29.5 seconds straight innately.

While this seems unappealing at a first glance, as a long time scout, you have no idea how much stamina affects play. If you run out of stamina you can't leap over rails to get away, you can't bunny hop and tap sprint to dodge fire.

I'm not saying you guys are wrong but to me this is actually a very very good bonus. While it seems bland and people keep talking about the minmatar's dmg bonus you need to consider this as well: we have to equip knives to use it. Knives are a 1.5 m weapon requiring skill to use.

This large bonus to stamina gives you more utility in one suit. I realize that it seems boring but trust me. This bonus is pretty good. Not exciting but all around pretty useful.

Im understanding what you saying and am slowly coming to accept it but I'm still pissed that the minmatar assault is at scout speed. I don't know if its just me but I truly think no assault base states should be equal rival any scouts speed.

Stats thanks to (i think its written:) /--Shays--/ =
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByYUjq_P9RY0TnNPemxqb1BfZFk/edit?pli=1

So This post is to Analize better the Scouts suits mentioned above. The Amarrian one and the Gallente one.
Lets check the stats (AT PROTO LEVEL):

--------------------------------Gallente------------Amarr
GÖª High / Low slots =-------2/4------------2/4
GÖª CPU/PG= -----------------330/74------------340/70
GÖª Shields= -------------------70------------60
GÖª Armor= --------------------130------------170
GÖª TOTAL HP= ---------------200------------ 230
GÖª Shield recharge rate=---30------------30
GÖªShield Depleted delay=---6------------6
GÖªArmor repari rate=--------3------------ 0
Movement/Sprt Speed=5.45/7.63------------5.25/7.35

So.From the Mere Stats we can conclude:
Slots: They are both the same
CPU/PG+ Gallente has 4 more PG at the cost of 10 CPU. Seems fair
Shields= Gallente has the advantage with 70.
Armor= Amarr has the advantage with 170 (Almost MED frame level ! XD)
Total HP.Amarr wins for a mere 30EHP.
Shield R/D rates= Both the same
ARMOR REPAIR RATE=So, what made LOGIS OP before 1.8? remember? oh yeh we are still playing 1.7.Well they gave it to the Gallente scout.
Movement/Sprt speed= Gallente wins while having SCOUT speed. While the Amarr looses in speed to a Minmatar Assault.

So as it is.OVERALL, the amarr scout only has 30+ HP over the gallente scout.THATS THE ONLY ADVANTAGE Amarr scout has. 30HP.
This is worth: 1 STD Assault Rifle bullet....1 (out of 3 consecutive) Combat Rifle bullets....etc...

Now lets see the BONUSES:
(you might also check Aero Yassavi's post on Scout Bonuses: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136426&find=unread )
The Gallente Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% profile signature reduction per level
At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex profile dampener.

The Amarr Scout racial bonus is 5% stamina recovery and max stamina per level.
At level 5, this is the equivalent of less than one basic cardiac regulator, and that's it. A basic cardiac regulator does 25% more stamina and 50% more stamina recovery.

So.... If i want to be profile dampened and/or cloaks i can use the GAllente Scout as it already surpasses the amarr scout in both Speed AND Armor repair (which make a difference) in exchange for stamina and 30HP (which DONT make a difference).

If i want to have ''More HP'' i can just use a Minmatar Assault, which will have Bigger HP values , Better bonus (efficiency to Damage mods) , better SPEED , and whith just equipping a Cx Profile Dampener , similar Profile dampening.

So what EXACTLY is the purpose of this Amarr scout? Why SHOULD i use it over the other variants which are clearly superior?

Taken From Aero's post the other bonuses:
The Caldari Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% scan precision per level.
At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex precision enhancer (actually a little more since complex precision enhancers are 20%)

The Minmatar Scout racial bonus is 5% hacking speed and nova knife damage per level.
At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free complex code breaker and multiple free complex sidearm damage modifiers

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I've been waiting for a VERY LONG TIME , for the amarr scout, but i cant believe how BAD it is compared to the other scouts.
I sure appreciate the fact it has the SAME SLOT COUNT than other scout suits, but Considering the REST of the scouts have ''Amarr scout CPU-PG'' then it breaks even..... What exactly was the thinking behind this?
Yeah,lets make the Amarr scout Run all day, so they can run from one objective to another. YEAH LIKE I CANT just call in an LAV.

The only POSSIBLE use i can find for this fit is SPEED TANK. Speed + Massive stamina for constant movement seem pretty good...IN THEORY.AA has made Speed tanking and Strafing useless and the only way to stay alive is HP and cover.

SO PLEASE, enlighen me.... WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO with this amarr scout...

PLEASE CCP. FIX this before its release. DO NOT , wait for 1.8 and see everyone saying its UP,and then wait a lot like with the commandos to fix them. FIX IT NOW, the numers are here....

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/EDIT/= Possible Solutions:
Increase the Bonus all the way up to the efficiency of an ENHANCED CARDIAC REGULATOR.
ADD 5% Profile Dampening PER level.

OR

Increase the Bonus all the way up to the efficiency of an ENHANCED CARDIAC REGULATOR.
ADD 5% Cloack Cooldown per level

OR

Replace the bonus but something that is not worthless.....
AND an increase on some of the Base AMARR Scout stats. Giving the Amarr Scout a 3 Armor rep per sec same as the gallente wouldnt be taking it too far...Or giving them 80 Shields instead of 60 plus Minmatar Scout Melee damage..
I dont know...im out of ideas for now...

http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65556/1/dropsuitsuprising18.jpg

ENJOY

correction: with skills you'll be sprinting for 29.5 seconds straight innately.

While this seems unappealing at a first glance, as a long time scout, you have no idea how much stamina affects play. If you run out of stamina you can't leap over rails to get away, you can't bunny hop and tap sprint to dodge fire. I'm not saying you guys are wrong but to me this is actually a very good bonus.

While it seems bland and people keep talking about the minmatar's dmg/hack bonus bonus you need to consider this as well: we have to equip knives to use it. Knives are a 1.5 m weapon requiring skill to use and failure means instant death. The hacking bonus means we have to stand still and exposed to make use of it and failure means instant death. Two EXTREMELY specific bonuses that make the minmatar the most specialized scout.

This large bonus to stamina gives you more utility in one suit. You don't have to build your suit/playstyle specifically to the suit allowing for more variety in one suit. I realize that it seems boring but trust me. This bonus is pretty good. Not exciting but all around pretty useful.

AGreed with you Soul.





PLUS,how many of you people saying the AMARR SCOUT IS ''FINE'' are actually going to SKILL INTO it?

yeah...didnt think so...

It kind of seems to me that the amarr scout is designed to kill minjas. They are way tougher, and their inhuman stamina ultimately defeats our speed.


You guys are like the storm troopers of dust. You come in and run your prey down until they are out of breath and then when they are corned and have to fight, you still have more in the tank, are way tougher, and now have the upper hand in every way. Now if there is a group of you, it's a force multiplier. You can literally run anything down.


Sounds kind of evil to me!

I'll give it a month or two after Marauder has murdered entire teams and everyone starts speccing into Amarr scout and you'll guys go "yknow, this suit ain't so bad."