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KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3727	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:31:00 - [61] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Increasing that stamina bonus anymore is kind of moot. Your bonus is variety or lack of a specific bonus that requires a specific playstyle. The knife bonus is kind of a silly thing to poke at as it's a specific weapon with a specific playstyle requiring a specific suit. Regulators are useful in every situation. Knives are not. Hack bonus is useful for a specific situation. Again regulators are useful in EVERY situation. Just because it's boring and non specific doesn't mean it's bad or imbalanced. Ok then Moody you win. Just add to the stamina bonus 5% Scrambler Pistol damage per level and we are set. NO one will be able to complain.... since...and I QUOTE YOU:''The Pistol bonus is kind of a silly thing to poke at as it's a specific weapon with a specific playstyle requiring a specific suit'' GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2984	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:33:00 - [62] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Increasing that stamina bonus anymore is kind of moot. Your bonus is variety or lack of a specific bonus that requires a specific playstyle. The knife bonus is kind of a silly thing to poke at as it's a specific weapon with a specific playstyle requiring a specific suit. Regulators are useful in every situation. Knives are not. Hack bonus is useful for a specific situation. Again regulators are useful in EVERY situation. Just because it's boring and non specific doesn't mean it's bad or imbalanced. Ok then Moody you win. Just add to the stamina bonus 5% Scrambler Pistol damage per level and we are set. NO one will be able to complain.... since...and I QUOTE YOU:''The Pistol bonus is kind of a silly thing to poke at as it's a specific weapon with a specific playstyle requiring a specific suit'' A damage bonus to something with the range and damage model of a scrambler pistol would be ridiculously overpowered. The scrambler pistol borders on overpowered as it is. Proficiency 4 in pistols before you ask. Sorry dude. Can't agree with you. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Onesimus Tarsus 857	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:34:00 - [63] - Quote mollerz wrote: It kind of seems to me that the amarr scout is designed to kill minjas. They are way tougher, and their inhuman stamina ultimately defeats our speed. You guys are like the storm troopers of dust. You come in and run your prey down until they are out of breath and then when they are corned and have to fight, you still have more in the tank, are way tougher, and now have the upper hand in every way. Now if there is a group of you, it's a force multiplier. You can literally run anything down. Sounds kind of evil to me! Geez, the visual you just painted... thrills me. A pack of scout hunters literally wolf packing a single suit into a corner and... I have to take a shower. I can only hope it's true. I am the worst player in DUST 514. Come clone me out.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3727	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:38:00 - [64] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Increasing that stamina bonus anymore is kind of moot. Your bonus is variety or lack of a specific bonus that requires a specific playstyle. The knife bonus is kind of a silly thing to poke at as it's a specific weapon with a specific playstyle requiring a specific suit. Regulators are useful in every situation. Knives are not. Hack bonus is useful for a specific situation. Again regulators are useful in EVERY situation. Just because it's boring and non specific doesn't mean it's bad or imbalanced. Ok then Moody you win. Just add to the stamina bonus 5% Scrambler Pistol damage per level and we are set. NO one will be able to complain.... since...and I QUOTE YOU:''The Pistol bonus is kind of a silly thing to poke at as it's a specific weapon with a specific playstyle requiring a specific suit'' A damage bonus to something with the range and damage model of a scrambler pistol would be ridiculously overpowered. The scrambler pistol borders on overpowered as it is. Proficiency 4 in pistols before you ask. Sorry dude. Can't agree with you. Sorry dude you cant complain,because its a Specific bonus and by your standards its a silly thing to poke at. ok.Since it has range im going to change it at 3% damage and RoF increase per level. I even posted it on my Main Thread.If it gets applied , remember its your fault... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
GRIM GEAR The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 164	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:39:00 - [65] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I'll give it a month or two after Marauder has murdered entire teams and everyone starts speccing into Amarr scout and you'll guys go "yknow, this suit ain't so bad." 1st- Im speccing into Amarr scout, day one. 2nd-aint so bad =/= Good Maybe my alt but definitely not my Main. Right know nothing would make me spec into it. What the point about running for a long time if you run slow as hell ? CCP Bring Melee weapon based on stamina buff our bonus by AT LEAST 3 and THEN it will be useful. Amarr are the storm trooper ? Yes it dies from stick and stones and can't kill a single ennemy even if there is 20 stormtrooper against 1 ennemy. Sounds like you are referring to all scouts? It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3727	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:44:00 - [66] - Quote Freakn BUMP.I want CCP to READ this.... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2986	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:45:00 - [67] - Quote Again. Any damage bonus to scrambler pistols and a scout would be ridiculous over powered. A rate of fire bonus is moot as you can't even fire as fast as the ROF allows anything past the TT-3 unless you're using a modded controller. Also the frame rate in this game isn't even good enough for you feasibly fire any of the pistols past he TT-3 as fast as they can fire. Pistol bonus is simply ridiculous. You want a pistol bonus? Put on a commando suit. If you want a specific bonus pistol are not the thing to lobby for. That's all the arguing I've got for today. Toodles :3 Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3729	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:49:00 - [68] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Again. Any damage bonus to scrambler pistols and a scout would be ridiculous over powered. A rate of fire bonus is moot as you can't even fire as fast as the ROF allows anything past the TT-3 unless you're using a modded controller. Also the frame rate in this game isn't even good enough for you feasibly fire any of the pistols past he TT-3 as fast as they can fire. Pistol bonus is simply ridiculous. You want a pistol bonus? Put on a commando suit. If you want a specific bonus pistol are not the thing to lobby for. You know whats OP? 3 Complex damage mods worth in damage for Minny scouts or 3 armor rep on an armor suit while the Amarr scout gets a bonus worth LESS than a MILITIA Module.... AGAIN, its silly to poke at it moody. Its just so SPECIFIC..... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 348	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:49:00 - [69] - Quote So I m pretty convinced that some people in this thread either ; a) run minnie scouts and can't wait to become OMGWTFPWNAGE or b) have a grudge against amarr stuff To not see how completely horrible the amarrian bonus is (i.e. less than a militia module worth) is to be a bald face liar. To not be able to see how 5 modules worth of bonuses (i.e. 3 cmplx damage mods, 1 cmplx code breaker and 1 standard code breaker) is completely broken is to be a liar as well. It has been shown over and over again, in relative and quantitative terms how the scouts are currently unbalanced. This part of the discussion is OVER. CCP: I believe these values are basically fair: Minmatar- +2% sidearm damage per lvl (comes out to 1 free complex dmg mod) +3% hacking speed per lvl (comes out to an advance dmod) (the inate +5% hacking speed bonus then is the basic mod) Gallente: are fine, leave them alone Caldari: +5% dropsuit scan rdius per lvl (unchanged, basic mod equivalent) + 7% scan precision per lvl (complex and adv) Amarr : + 20% stamina/stamina recovery per lvl (makes 1 complex module) ??? +17 armor HP/lvl (this would make 1 basic and 1 adv ferroscale) This makes the minnie scout the infiltrator, the gallente scout the spy, the caldari scout the recon, and the amarrian scout the front-line scout. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3729	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:53:00 - [70] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: So I m pretty convinced that some people in this thread either ; a) run minnie scouts and can't wait to become OMGWTFPWNAGE or b) have a grudge against amarr stuff To not see how completely horrible the amarrian bonus is (i.e. less than a militia module worth) is to be a bald face liar. To not be able to see how 5 modules worth of bonuses (i.e. 3 cmplx damage mods, 1 cmplx code breaker and 1 standard code breaker) is completely broken is to be a liar as well. It has been shown over and over again, in relative and quantitative terms how the scouts are currently unbalanced. This part of the discussion is OVER. CCP: I believe these values are basically fair: Minmatar- +2% sidearm damage per lvl (comes out to 1 free complex dmg mod) +3% hacking speed per lvl (comes out to an advance dmod) (the inate +5% hacking speed bonus then is the basic mod) Gallente: are fine, leave them alone Caldari: +5% dropsuit scan rdius per lvl (unchanged, basic mod equivalent) + 7% scan precision per lvl (complex and adv) Amarr : + 20% stamina/stamina recovery per lvl (makes 1 complex module) ??? +17 armor HP/lvl (this would make 1 basic and 1 adv ferroscale) This makes the minnie scout the infiltrator, the gallente scout the spy, the caldari scout the recon, and the amarrian scout the front-line scout. Im stealing that bonus for my OP..... BTW,dont forget the GAllentes ALSO have an Enhanced Armor repair Module INCLUDED..... ;) GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.

Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 348	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:57:00 - [71] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: So I m pretty convinced that some people in this thread either ; a) run minnie scouts and can't wait to become OMGWTFPWNAGE or b) have a grudge against amarr stuff To not see how completely horrible the amarrian bonus is (i.e. less than a militia module worth) is to be a bald face liar. To not be able to see how 5 modules worth of bonuses (i.e. 3 cmplx damage mods, 1 cmplx code breaker and 1 standard code breaker) is completely broken is to be a liar as well. It has been shown over and over again, in relative and quantitative terms how the scouts are currently unbalanced. This part of the discussion is OVER. CCP: I believe these values are basically fair: Minmatar- +2% sidearm damage per lvl (comes out to 1 free complex dmg mod) +3% hacking speed per lvl (comes out to an advance dmod) (the inate +5% hacking speed bonus then is the basic mod) Gallente: are fine, leave them alone Caldari: +5% dropsuit scan rdius per lvl (unchanged, basic mod equivalent) + 7% scan precision per lvl (complex and adv) Amarr : + 20% stamina/stamina recovery per lvl (makes 1 complex module) ??? +17 armor HP/lvl (this would make 1 basic and 1 adv ferroscale) This makes the minnie scout the infiltrator, the gallente scout the spy, the caldari scout the recon, and the amarrian scout the front-line scout. Im stealing that bonus for my OP..... BTW,dont forget the GAllentes ALSO have an Enhanced Armor repair Module INCLUDED..... ;) oh I calculated for it The gallente have 1 complex mod (25% dampner) 1 enhanced mod (3 hp/sec) and 1 basic mod (25% scan radius) worth of bonuses, just like everyone else. If you look, I also increased the caldari scan precision to 7% per level to make it also equivelent to 1 complex and one enhanced mod. This would actually allow them to see all but the gallente scout without additional mods passively. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
GRIM GEAR The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 164	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:02:00 - [72] - Quote I just want to say I have lost count of how many times I have died as a result of running out of stamina while scouting. To be fair the Amarrian scout bonus is a little lack luster though KING CHECKMATE would you prefer to have the Nova Knives bonus on you're Amarr scout suit? Because I don't mind using the Amarr scout suit over the Minmatar scout suit if it has 5% added to Nova Knive damage per level. Infact according to you the current stamina bonus is useless let's trade the useless Amarr scout suit stamina bonus with the OVER POWERED Minmatar scout suit Nova Knives bonus. Would that make you happy no? I didn't think so. It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 349	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:05:00 - [73] - Quote GRIM GEAR wrote: I just want to say I have lost count of how many times I have died as a result of running out of stamina while scouting. To be fair the Amarrian scout bonus is a little lack luster though KING CHECKMATE would you prefer to have the Nova Knives bonus on you're Amarr scout suit? Because I don't mind using the Amarr scout suit over the Minmatar scout suit if it has 5% added to Nova Knive damage per level. Infact according to you the current stamina bonus is useless let's trade the useless Amarr scout suit stamina bonus with the OVER POWERED Minmatar scout suit Nova Knives bonus. Would that make you happy no? I didn't think so. I guess nobody knows how to read a thread before they post in it do they? Minnie bonuses are worth 5 modules, the amarr bonus is not even worth one* *seriously, you can not find a module that gives you this small of a bonus to stamina/recovery in the game. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2752	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:05:00 - [74] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: 1-212 HP.Increasing the Gap between GAllente and Amarr armor all the way up to 50.Now i can take 2 more Combat rifle bullets than you.LOL.If its so ''impressive'', let Gallentes take the HP difference and give US the 3 per sec armor repair....YEAH,dint think so.... 2-''customary amongst Amarr suits so there's something. '' You know what else is customary about Amarr suits? Having More CPU and PG than others, which the A.Scout does not. So no ,there is nothing... 3-You do have a point here, Kudos. But still, every other scout has a bonus that affects their capacity to survive or to attack. The amarr has stamina that affects neither terrain coverage...wich considering the amound of vehicles out there....doesnt sound very appealing. 1) it's not impressive by medium frame standards but we're talking scout here, where 10 HP difference means dead or alive. 2) Yeah that is weird I don't imagine why it's got more CPU but less PG. I think to know why we would need to know the intention of the Amarr Scout. But still, be happy you do not have 2 slots at basic. I think you just have to try it out because Stamina is such a weird concept to try and apply mentally when really the results speak for themselves on the battlefield rather than in a statistical readout. I don't know how the Amarr scout will turn out but I just don't think it will be dismal or worthless. It might prove to be over-situational but we'll see. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2010	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:12:00 - [75] - Quote Ohhhh, so ya want a war? Hey CCP! How come this "scout" doesn't have 3/3 set up? Give it a bonus to uplinks and a bunch of ehp. Really, you wanna fight with the original scout just so you can be better? Shame. King, I thought better of you. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3730	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:13:00 - [76] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: 1-212 HP.Increasing the Gap between GAllente and Amarr armor all the way up to 50.Now i can take 2 more Combat rifle bullets than you.LOL.If its so ''impressive'', let Gallentes take the HP difference and give US the 3 per sec armor repair....YEAH,dint think so.... 2-''customary amongst Amarr suits so there's something. '' You know what else is customary about Amarr suits? Having More CPU and PG than others, which the A.Scout does not. So no ,there is nothing... 3-You do have a point here, Kudos. But still, every other scout has a bonus that affects their capacity to survive or to attack. The amarr has stamina that affects neither terrain coverage...wich considering the amound of vehicles out there....doesnt sound very appealing. 1) it's not impressive by medium frame standards but we're talking scout here, where 10 HP difference means dead or alive. 2) Yeah that is weird I don't imagine why it's got more CPU but less PG. I think to know why we would need to know the intention of the Amarr Scout. But still, be happy you do not have 2 slots at basic. I think you just have to try it out because Stamina is such a weird concept to try and apply mentally when really the results speak for themselves on the battlefield rather than in a statistical readout. I don't know how the Amarr scout will turn out but I just don't think it will be dismal or worthless. It might prove to be over-situational but we'll see. I will skill into Amarr scout. Proto level. Day one regardless it even has a bonus or not... Im ALSO not saying its worthless. I will also,as always, if i find a way to use it ,share it. Im just saying at first glance, the Amarr Scout looks UNDERPOWERED compared to the other scouts suits. Unless... The AV Amarr blade is somehow related to Stamina............... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
GRIM GEAR The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 164	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:16:00 - [77] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: GRIM GEAR wrote: I just want to say I have lost count of how many times I have died as a result of running out of stamina while scouting. To be fair the Amarrian scout bonus is a little lack luster though KING CHECKMATE would you prefer to have the Nova Knives bonus on you're Amarr scout suit? Because I don't mind using the Amarr scout suit over the Minmatar scout suit if it has 5% added to Nova Knive damage per level. Infact according to you the current stamina bonus is useless let's trade the useless Amarr scout suit stamina bonus with the OVER POWERED Minmatar scout suit Nova Knives bonus. Would that make you happy no? I didn't think so. I guess nobody knows how to read a thread before they post in it do they? Minnie bonuses are worth 5 modules, the amarr bonus is not even worth one* *seriously, you can not find a module that gives you this small of a bonus to stamina/recovery in the game. Well Sir it seems as though you are the one who cannot read? If the Amarr scout suit traded its stamina bonus with the Minmatar Nova Knives bonus; the Amarr scout suit would have 2x complex & 1x Enhanced damage modules, 1x complex Ferroscale plate and with the higher base stamina compared to other scouts the Amarr scout suit practically has 1x basic cardio regulator. Eat them apples zucker. It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3730	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:16:00 - [78] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Ohhhh, so ya want a war? Hey CCP! How come this "scout" doesn't have 3/3 set up? Give it a bonus to uplinks and a bunch of ehp. Really, you wanna fight with the original scout just so you can be better? Shame. King, I thought better of you. I dont really know what you are implying here. Im saying the Amarr Scout is the WORST of them all,and im getting tired of this being the case always.... I yesterday went 50-4 with a M/1 series scout and a basic combat rifle, while playing SOLO in Dom.(For example) I dont need easy mode. I get r4ped sometimes, then i own sometimes. But requesting to put the Amarr scout to the other scout' level does not make me feel ashamed... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2012	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:20:00 - [79] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Ohhhh, so ya want a war? Hey CCP! How come this "scout" doesn't have 3/3 set up? Give it a bonus to uplinks and a bunch of ehp. Really, you wanna fight with the original scout just so you can be better? Shame. King, I thought better of you. I dont really know what you are implying here. Im saying the Amarr Scout is the WORST of them all,and im getting tired of this being the case always.... I yesterday went 50-4 with a M/1 series scout and a basic combat rifle, while playing SOLO in Dom.(For example) I dont need easy mode. I get r4ped sometimes, then i own sometimes. But requesting to put the Amarr scout to the other scout' level does not make me feel ashamed... Sir, I'm just being a little whiney gurl "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
GRIM GEAR The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 165	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:21:00 - [80] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Ohhhh, so ya want a war? Hey CCP! How come this "scout" doesn't have 3/3 set up? Give it a bonus to uplinks and a bunch of ehp. Really, you wanna fight with the original scout just so you can be better? Shame. King, I thought better of you. I dont really know what you are implying here. Im saying the Amarr Scout is the WORST of them all,and im getting tired of this being the case always.... I yesterday went 50-4 with a M/1 series scout and a basic combat rifle, while playing SOLO in Dom.(For example) I dont need easy mode. I get r4ped sometimes, then i own sometimes. But requesting to put the Amarr scout to the other scout' level does not make me feel ashamed... Sir, I'm just being a little whiney gurl It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!

KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3730	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:22:00 - [81] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Sir, I'm just being a little whiney gurl Oh.i see...then ...moving on... XD GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
GRIM GEAR The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 165	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:23:00 - [82] - Quote Bumping this o for awesome thread. Twice because I am that nice. No sarcasm here. It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3191	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:34:00 - [83] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Marad''er wrote: I'm going to skill into amarr scout regardless. However I agree with what you're saying. Amarr regardless of suit should have highest pg and CPU. At least pg. 4 pg equates to at LEAST 30 CPU!! THANK YOU. Yeah im speccing into it becase ive waited so long and have so many useless cr*p already that whatever...But doesnt mean i cant post this and try to get it on equal grounds with the other scouts... I mean, AT LEAST ,add a 5% Profile scan per level next to the stamina bonus...AT LEAST.... Across the scout suits at proto, the "average" ratio between the two is 1 PG for every 5.12 CPU. For the Amarr suit specifically, they have 1 PG for every 4.86 CPU. I'd generally assume that the Amarr would have higher PG than the other races because of the PG costs of laser weapons, if nothing else. The scout suit with the highest PG stat (Gallente) has weapons like the AR/Ion Pistol, the PRO PG reqs on those are 13/6 respectively, while the PG reqs on Amarr weaponry like SR/ScP are 20/8 at PRO. Gallente even have a 0 PG weapon (Plasma Cannon) that would be more demanding of CPU than anything else. Join my cult.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3192	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:48:00 - [84] - Quote GRIM GEAR wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: GRIM GEAR wrote: I just want to say I have lost count of how many times I have died as a result of running out of stamina while scouting. To be fair the Amarrian scout bonus is a little lack luster though KING CHECKMATE would you prefer to have the Nova Knives bonus on you're Amarr scout suit? Because I don't mind using the Amarr scout suit over the Minmatar scout suit if it has 5% added to Nova Knive damage per level. Infact according to you the current stamina bonus is useless let's trade the useless Amarr scout suit stamina bonus with the OVER POWERED Minmatar scout suit Nova Knives bonus. Would that make you happy no? I didn't think so. I guess nobody knows how to read a thread before they post in it do they? Minnie bonuses are worth 5 modules, the amarr bonus is not even worth one* *seriously, you can not find a module that gives you this small of a bonus to stamina/recovery in the game. Well Sir it seems as though you are the one who cannot read? If the Amarr scout suit traded its stamina bonus with the Minmatar Nova Knives bonus; the Amarr scout suit would have 2x complex & 1x Enhanced damage modules, 1x complex Ferroscale plate and with the higher base stamina compared to other scouts the Amarr scout suit practically has 1x basic cardio regulator. Eat them apples zucker. It's literally impossible to make the Amarr even with the Minmatar suit with modules because there is no module that increases movement speed. A kinetic cat can only help sprint speed. So... priceless there. If you're just going on stat comparison as well, the Minmatar (even without the 5% per level suit skill hacking bonus) has a 5% hacking bonus over the Amarr. You'd also need modules to compensate for the shield recharge depleted delay difference (minny is faster) and shield recharge amount (minny is higher by 33% - higher than an ADV recharger, so a complex mod there). The base stamina difference between the scouts doesn't rise to the level a basic cardiac regulator either. The Amarr Commando can run 5 seconds longer than a Gallente/Caldari Commando. No bonuses involved. That's a stat difference. The Amarr Scout can run 1.5 seconds longer than the minmatar (with no bonuses). 2.5 seconds longer than the Caldari/Gallente. If the Amarr Scout actually had a base of 25% more stamina than the minmatar, they'd be able to run for 5.25 seconds longer.. they can't even do half that. Join my cult.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5858	Posted - 2014.01.18 01:01:00 - [85] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: correction: with skills you'll be sprinting for 29.5 seconds straight innately. While this seems unappealing at a first glance, as a long time scout, you have no idea how much stamina affects play. If you run out of stamina you can't leap over rails to get away, you can't bunny hop and tap sprint to dodge fire. I'm not saying you guys are wrong but to me this is actually a very good bonus. While it seems bland and people keep talking about the minmatar's dmg/hack bonus bonus you need to consider this as well: we have to equip knives to use it. Knives are a 1.5 m weapon requiring skill to use and failure means instant death. The hacking bonus means we have to stand still and exposed to make use of it and failure means instant death. Two EXTREMELY specific bonuses that make the minmatar the most specialized scout. This large bonus to stamina gives you more utility in one suit. You don't have to build your suit/playstyle specifically to the suit allowing for more variety in one suit. I realize that it seems boring but trust me. This bonus is pretty good. Not exciting but all around pretty useful. Then I feel its fair to reduce the values of the other racial bonuses to bring them more in line with ADV modules. 25%, to my understanding, reduction in hacking time for scouts and your melee bonus? That doesn't seem a little rough to you does it? "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3733	Posted - 2014.01.18 01:28:00 - [86] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: correction: with skills you'll be sprinting for 29.5 seconds straight innately. While this seems unappealing at a first glance, as a long time scout, you have no idea how much stamina affects play. If you run out of stamina you can't leap over rails to get away, you can't bunny hop and tap sprint to dodge fire. I'm not saying you guys are wrong but to me this is actually a very good bonus. While it seems bland and people keep talking about the minmatar's dmg/hack bonus bonus you need to consider this as well: we have to equip knives to use it. Knives are a 1.5 m weapon requiring skill to use and failure means instant death. The hacking bonus means we have to stand still and exposed to make use of it and failure means instant death. Two EXTREMELY specific bonuses that make the minmatar the most specialized scout. This large bonus to stamina gives you more utility in one suit. You don't have to build your suit/playstyle specifically to the suit allowing for more variety in one suit. I realize that it seems boring but trust me. This bonus is pretty good. Not exciting but all around pretty useful. Then I feel its fair to reduce the values of the other racial bonuses to bring them more in line with ADV modules. 25%, to my understanding, reduction in hacking time for scouts and your melee bonus? That doesn't seem a little rough to you does it? +1 GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5863	Posted - 2014.01.18 01:44:00 - [87] - Quote ..... "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1617	Posted - 2014.01.18 01:46:00 - [88] - Quote 80 replies with good information should get CCP's attention.... "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3735	Posted - 2014.01.18 01:50:00 - [89] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: 80 replies with good information should get CCP's attention.... Hopefully. Again. I do see how the Amarr scout is SUPERIOR to anything else scouts have had in the past. But this is not about my prefered class SCOUT,more about my Race, Amarr. i've waited for SO long its just a sour taste to see the suit has (yet again) a disappointing bonus. Why do i say yet again? Well removing the Laser weaponry heat buildup bonus from the Amarr assault? seriously? Amarr commando bonuses. >.> Sentinel laser weaponry bonus?WITHOUT heavy laser? Amarr always get the crappy bonuses.... :\| WHY CCP, Why CCP Wolfman? Y U DO DIS? GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1617	Posted - 2014.01.18 01:57:00 - [90] - Quote Ikr kinda like the Amarr scouts getting a bonus to uplinks it just doesn't go good with it. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein



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