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How does any of this make assaults better killers than logis

I like kage's assault bonus. It makes sense as it helps assaults fit weapons so they can do what they do best, kill. I personally think the bonus should sound more like "x% reduction of CPU/PG of RIFLE weapons per level"

Amaar skill: agreed
Caldari skill: kick reduction to rail tech
Gallente: less dispersion. (i like pokey's more)
Minmatar: more ammo in clip for projectile weapons

I think the current expected assault skills would do better on logis:

Amaar logi: plate efficiency OR reduction of plate movement (put plate movement back to 1.5)
Caldari: shield efficiency (also please remove the shield stack penalty)
Gallente: armor repair efficiency
Minmatar: hacking speed

i think all of these match the race in eve while maintaining the role of the fps

I prefer the way CCP is planning on doing things. Logis are abut equipment, so it makes sense for them to have racial bonuses to equipment.

While they are about equiment. I see more this way: Logis are the medics, the spawn layers, the suppliers of the team. They are the heart. Therefore, in order to be able to do their jobs efficiently, ie: revive, resupply, heal, they need the hp to be able to tank enemy fire to do their job.

edit: i do not like the scanner bonus. That is really stupid.

While agree that logis need to be tough to do their job, I think the extra low slot and the PG/CPU will still allow them to be tough without the help of HP/rep bonuses. If they're to weak in 1.8, its the base stats that should be tweaked, and not the bonuses.
Also I think a hacking bonus would fit better on a Minmatar scout, speed and stealth fit really well for a hacker. I feel that the Minmatar scout melee bonus is too niche, and would rather have a new specialization for that kind of assassination thing.

I think I was in the same game as you a while ago, it was just starting but I had to leave because my only good controller stared going haywire. I'm having my brother take it apart and try to fix it while I AFK farm with a crappy one.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf, this is almost an exact copy of my thread which you even linked in the OP

1.8 (subject to change) bonuses for those who have not seen


This is what I think assault bnuses should be like:

Role bonus: 5% reduction of PG/CPU for handheld weapons per level.

You said you liked this idea, and I think its a good one. PG/CPU reductions help you fit better weapons, or helps you save PG/CPU to fit other good stuff.

The rate of fire as a role bonus you guys are considering definitely needs to go. I would love a bonus that directly improves weapon performance to enforce the role of assaults as offense, but this idea would basically screw over weapons like the scrambler rifle whose fire rate would remain unaffected (semi-auto is based on your own trigger speed), and would disincintevize their use since the bonus would be wasted on them; assault bonuses should never disincentivize the use of one of the 4 main "assault rifles" (scrambler rifle).

I have suggested a role bonus to damage, and then nerfing the 4 racial rifles, this way a maxed out assault suit would keep the current strength of the rifles, but as you explained, there would be unintended consequences. I still think those consequences could be dealt with though some balancing though.

That damage mod bonus you guys are considering for the Minmatar assault would make a nice role bonus.
Anyway, I support the PG/CPU reduction thing if you decide to go with that.


For racial bonuses, I strongly disagree with bonuses to HP and repair because I feel that it does not enforce the assault's role as being about offense (HP stuff belongs on sentinels in my opinion). It could be argued that the PG/CPU and assault would save with a weapon fitting role bonus would be enough to make the assault a superior offensive force by letting them fit better stuff, but that also applies to logis and their equipment PG/CPU bonus; assaults still would not be special. While I do want assaults to have the fitting bonus, but the racial bonuses need to be about enhancing weapons to keep the assault better at assaulting than a logi or some other specialization. Just like logis will be the best with their respective equipment (like Cadari logi being best with nanohive), assaults should be the best with their respective race's weapons.

Amarr: 5% reduction of laser weaponry heat buildup per level.

Helps you keep shooting longer before overheating, basically the equivalent of a bigger magazine in a way. If you think this bonus create balance problems, I would be fine with 4% per level.

Caldari: 10% reload speed of hybrid-railgun weapons per level.

The Caldari light weapons we have so far (rail rifle, sniper rifle) tend to have small magazine sizes. This bonus would help with that. The exact percent is up to you guys, but I think 5% per level would be to load. A reload bonus allows you to spend less time reloading and more time shooting, and thus increase your damage per second.

Gallente: 2% increase of rate of fire of hybrid-blaster weapons per level.

The AR pales in comparison to the new rifles, this ROF bonus would help fix that. Furthermore it would be good for the shotgun, which has also felt neglected.

Minmatar: 5% magazine size increase of projectile and explosive weapons per level.

MOAR DAKKA! , keeps you shooting longer. Kind of equivalent to the Amarr bonus.


Interesting alternatives could be to have new weapon mods besides damage, like for magazine size, heat (my thread on the module), reload speed, accuracy, and more (Cat Merc's thread) could be added, and assaults could have a role bonus to weapon mods (including damage mods). Whether assaults get bonuses to weapon mods, I still want more weapon mods, just damage is boring.

This is still taking a DPS based class and giving it options to brick tank it while fitting proto weapons, and then further unbalancing the SCR with the heat build up bonus. If it is for the Laser? well, that gun in general will need a look at with range efficacy.

DPS class has to be DPS based.. so they aren't crazy tanked. That's for the heavies and possibly the logi's to have the high survivability rates under fire while having moderate to low DPS output.

There needs to be good Synergy between the DPS builds and classes and the Survivability/Support builds and classes but not at the expense of the Base concept of the classes ergo to be DPS based.

Oh and the reload speed bonus? ... we have been through that a couple times now it was removed for a reason lol.... meh..

I don't understand how that isn't clear.

Less heat buildup = can fire more shots, and thus kill more people than a logi with the same weapon before overheating.
Faster reload = Get back to killing faster than a logi with the same weapon.
Faster ROF = Fire more shots, do more damage, and kill faster than a logi with the same weapon.
Bigger magazine = Keep shooting and killing when a logi with the same weapon would have to stop and reload.

1.8 (subject to change) bonuses for those who have not seen


This is what I think assault bnuses should be like:

Role bonus: 5% reduction of PG/CPU for handheld weapons per level.

You said you liked this idea, and I think its a good one. PG/CPU reductions help you fit better weapons, or helps you save PG/CPU to fit other good stuff.

The rate of fire as a role bonus you guys are considering definitely needs to go. I would love a bonus that directly improves weapon performance to enforce the role of assaults as offense, but this idea would basically screw over weapons like the scrambler rifle whose fire rate would remain unaffected (semi-auto is based on your own trigger speed), and would disincintevize their use since the bonus would be wasted on them; assault bonuses should never disincentivize the use of one of the 4 main "assault rifles" (scrambler rifle).

I have suggested a role bonus to damage, and then nerfing the 4 racial rifles, this way a maxed out assault suit would keep the current strength of the rifles, but as you explained, there would be unintended consequences. I still think those consequences could be dealt with though some balancing though.

That damage mod bonus you guys are considering for the Minmatar assault would make a nice role bonus.
Anyway, I support the PG/CPU reduction thing if you decide to go with that.
This is excellent! It fits with the fitting bonus that Logistics suits get to equipment and better enables them to be "slayers".

For racial bonuses, I strongly disagree with bonuses to HP and repair because I feel that it does not enforce the assault's role as being about offense (HP stuff belongs on sentinels in my opinion). It could be argued that the PG/CPU and assault would save with a weapon fitting role bonus would be enough to make the assault a superior offensive force by letting them fit better stuff, but that also applies to logis and their equipment PG/CPU bonus; assaults still would not be special. While I do want assaults to have the fitting bonus, but the racial bonuses need to be about enhancing weapons to keep the assault better at assaulting than a logi or some other specialization. Just like logis will be the best with their respective equipment (like Cadari logi being best with nanohive), assaults should be the best with their respective race's weapons.

Amarr: 5% reduction of laser weaponry heat buildup per level.

Helps you keep shooting longer before overheating, basically the equivalent of a bigger magazine in a way. If you think this bonus create balance problems, I would be fine with 4% per level.

Caldari: 10% reload speed of hybrid-railgun weapons per level.

The Caldari light weapons we have so far (rail rifle, sniper rifle) tend to have small magazine sizes. This bonus would help with that. The exact percent is up to you guys, but I think 5% per level would be to load. A reload bonus allows you to spend less time reloading and more time shooting, and thus increase your damage per second.

Gallente: 2% increase of rate of fire of hybrid-blaster weapons per level.

The AR pales in comparison to the new rifles, this ROF bonus would help fix that. Furthermore it would be good for the shotgun, which has also felt neglected.

Minmatar: 5% magazine size increase of projectile and explosive weapons per level.

MOAR DAKKA! , keeps you shooting longer. Kind of equivalent to the Amarr bonus.


Interesting alternatives could be to have new weapon mods besides damage, like for magazine size, heat (my thread on the module), reload speed, accuracy, and more (Cat Merc's thread) could be added, and assaults could have a role bonus to weapon mods (including damage mods). Whether assaults get bonuses to weapon mods, I still want more weapon mods, just damage is boring.

Anyway, back on topic. If you don't think assaults should be about increasing offensive capabilities, and you go with these defense bonuses, PLEASE change the Amarr one to something else. As many have stated before, the repair bonus fits better on a Gallente assault, and the plate bonus fits better on an Amarr assault. More importantly, the bonus sucks; while other suits would be getting huge chunks of HP from their HP modules, a repair module bonus would only give tiny bits more of repair rate, and severely pale in comparison. Whichever suit gets an armor repairer bonus needs to have it with at least 10% efficacy per level, not 5%, or better yet make the skill give and increase base repair rates like the current 1.7 logis have right now.

EDIT: I do feel the scrambler rifle overheats a bit too fast without the assault bonus (just my personal opinion), but others have claimed that it becomes OP with a 25% heat reduction bonus. If you remove the Amarr assault heat bonus, I would suggest making the scrambler rifle's operation bonus 3% heat reduction per level so they will be at a good middle ground between 0% and full 25% heat bonus, or just edit the base stats for heat buildup. I think this would be pretty fair.

Regnyum's opinions are opinions.

Also "stupid", "*******", and "lol" are not good words to use if you want someone to take you seriously in an argument.

Seeing I am probably the only player who has every Assault suit in the game and uses them all in Planetary Conquest. I would say my opinion holds a bit more weight then AK.0+ScR Crybaby QQ

Again, "Crybaby" and "QQ" are not good words to use if you want someone to take you seriously. And just because you have all four assault suits to prototype does not automatically mean your opinion is the correct one. You have to provide good reasoning.