We have all read the rumors and speculation and nobody knows exactly what is going to happen. What we do know is that CCP main focus is dropsuits. So it's time they know we want tiercide.

Bethy, where in there did Wolfman say they wanted to restrict certain meta levels based on security level?

Thomas: If you look at Modern Warfare or games like that, you see players dedicating enormous amounts of time, and what weGÇÖre offering players is that theyGÇÖre not just going to be endlessly fighting the same battle and moving up and down some abstract leaderboard and unlocking gear. YouGÇÖre actually going to be part of a universe. ItGÇÖs not just another battle. ItGÇÖs actually your planet and this bugger over here is trying to take it. You didnGÇÖt just spend the last two weeks moving up to position 58 and unlocking this gear. You spent it investing in this space! And these other guys over here, if you lose, theyGÇÖre going to lose! And theyGÇÖre not even involved, they just happened to be there. So thereGÇÖs more at stake. I think itGÇÖs going to be interesting to see what kind of player it is going to attract. We were really interested in this idea. We thought, this is the kind of game that IGÇÖd like to play. We feel that thereGÇÖs got to be other people out there too.

WeGÇÖre pretty sure that they want to do this. They just havenGÇÖt had the opportunity yet.

I have said this time and time again , " You people really don't want any competition at all ." Most of you with your " get gud " and all that other bull *&^% could really care less about this game .

This is when my engine starts to rev up . You killed the tanks , my first passion and now your trying to kill the suits too ???

That won't happen and I will fight every last one of you tooth and nail , every step of the way until you force me out of the door but you will know that I went out fighting .

I will stand up to each and every one of you and even you IWS , like I said before , " I don't know you but you learn a lot about people by their post on the forums ." and I realized that I don't like you or anyone else who wants to kill the amusement of this game .

The thing about games like this and games like " A company of Two " is the fact that you can make YOUR character into WHAT YOU LIKE and if you take that away then you will alienate a huge part of your community and player base .

All of you like to talk crap about games like COD but you want to turn this game into a clone of such .

I have lost respect for everyone who is in favor of this crap . You don't care and I don't either . Remember when you make your smart @$$ comment , " You don't care and I don't either ."

* Ding ... Ding * the bell has been rung and the fight begins .

No. Removing one of the most unique aspects of Dust is not worth it. Especially when:


A.) It would not help to balance matchmaking. Not one. Little. Bit.

B.) There are actual productive ways we could go about balancing matchmaking.

I have said this time and time again , " You people really don't want any competition at all ." Most of you with your " get gud " and all that other bull *&^% could really care less about this game .

This is when my engine starts to rev up . You killed the tanks , my first passion and now your trying to kill the suits too ???

That won't happen and I will fight every last one of you tooth and nail , every step of the way until you force me out of the door but you will know that I went out fighting .

I will stand up to each and every one of you and even you IWS , like I said before , " I don't know you but you learn a lot about people by their post on the forums ." and I realized that I don't like you or anyone else who wants to kill the amusement of this game .

The thing about games like this and games like " A company of Two " is the fact that you can make YOUR character into WHAT YOU LIKE and if you take that away then you will alienate a huge part of your community and player base .

All of you like to talk crap about games like COD but you want to turn this game into a clone of such .

I have lost respect for everyone who is in favor of this crap . You don't care and I don't either . Remember when you make your smart @$$ comment , " You don't care and I don't either ."

* Ding ... Ding * the bell has been rung and the fight begins .

" You people really don't want any competition at all .

Where is the competition in having a mlt suit go against a proto suit lol? This is a rather contradictory statement to defend what we have now vs tiercide. But regardless let's get out of the present and let's look into the future, explain to me how this system will work when we have PVE? When we have something more than mercenaries in a lobby shooter things like actually conquering and taking planets, exploring planets, raiding crap all that good stuff... The majority of new mmos have established systems where new players are able to compete with vets. There is no competition once you at prototype level because you didn't have competition at basic level. When they game was launched most of us already had the SP saved up to go proto. But there is such a disconnection between the proto player and the basic player that it's more than just skill. The suit defines the player not the player. This is what I am hoping tiercide fixes, I want to be able to win matches because of my skill not my suit, I want to die because the other player has skill not because of his suit. And new players should be able to experience the game like this. Not only will tiercide help the NPE but it will also pave the way for a more competitive game and lay down some foundations for the PVE/MMO balance. And as far as competitive goes it will be easier to fix TTK issues, weapon balance, etc if there weren't 4 scales to balance.

What your asking for is the removal of Aim Assist. if you want this to be a skill based game. A better suit in Chromosome was just more of a challenge.

Now? A better suit with AA? = My AA locks, Your AA locks, Skillpoints + Suit + weapon = winner

That's where skill went in DUST.

This doesn't offer diversity its "Dumbing" the game down because of High Sec. pub's having vets in them non stop. we will trade Diversity in fitting suit's for a generalized cookie cutter system.

Its sick.

Every fps has AA, AA has nothing to do with it. The game is already dumbed down with the only modules that matter being armor, shields, and damage modifiers... If we could make suits on an equal level then other modules will matter and that in itself will increase diversity ten times higher than what we have now, which is null to begin with... and with dropsuits the only ones that matter are medium suits god forbid a scout becomes competitive in the next century and a heavy can withstand more than 2 second of fire.

Mag no aim assist, Soccom 4 no aim assist, CS:GO no aim assist, Battlefield 3 NO AIM ASSIST until Hit detection issues stayed unfixed for a year. Kill Zone Shadow fall = no aim assist..... DUST 514 NO AIM ASSIST until 1.4....

This idea that a FPS game on a console needs Aim assist is some bullshit that has been sold to you. don't buy.

Most of the competition that PLAYED Dust are now on Kill zone Shadow fall where there is no aim assist.. Jump on all you see is familiar faces i have been fighting in DUST for a year.

None of those games pits kbm vs ds3.

the skill gap is so compressed, that itGÇÖs like a slot machine. You might as well just sit down at a slot machine and have a thing that pops up an says GÇ£I got a kill!GÇ¥ TheyGÇÖve taken individual skill out of the equation so much. So you see these guysGÇöI see it all the time, they come in to play Red Orchestra, and theyGÇÖre like GÇ£This gameGÇÖs just too hardcore. IGÇÖm awesome at Call of Duty, so thereGÇÖs something wrong with your game. Because IGÇÖm not successful at playing this game, so it must suck. IGÇÖm not the problem, itGÇÖs your game.GÇ¥ And sometimes as designers, it is our game. Sometimes we screw up, sometimes we design something thatGÇÖs not accesible enough, they canGÇÖt figure it out, we didnGÇÖt give them enough information to figure out where to go... but more often than not, itGÇÖs because Call of Duty compressed their skill gap so much that these guys never needed to get good at a shooter. They never needed to get good at their twitch skills

Teiricide will increase variety when done right while severely cutting down on balance noise, its hard to balance things everyone does not use proto, this is reason why there is a balance lag and its taking as much as 6 months to nerf or buff anything.

It will also make the game more competitive as there is far less reliance on having 2-6 modules over a player who may be more skilled than the prototype player hiding behind that many more modules.

Case in point scouts. Lamenting for 9 months and counting. Logistics 8 months in the wrong role. Heavies suffering for about 6 months. Assault 8 months.

If the game continues its current route.

There will be over 120 suits but only 24 ways to play. This is of course excluding aurum suits which brought in gives us 240 suits but only still 24 ways to play.

Eve online has 560 extended ships and 560 ways to play. Special ships cut out even we're still at

6+1 unique frigates per race (rookie)
1 Shuttle
2 Destroyers
5 Cruisers
3 battlecruisers
3 industrials
1 freighter
3 battleships
2 carriers
1 dread
1 titan

and each one of these tech 1 ships play differently from each other and in many cases kick the utter crap out of tech 2 in many areas.

In dust our 'tech 1' can't hold a candle to a 'tech 2'

Kill variety? when was the last time you saw a prototype medium frame, (not assault or logistics, base)?

Uprising 1.0 was the last time I saw one before they patched it out of obscurity.

Now that I think of it we had more variety post launch that we do now
For example we had shotgun, sniper, and smg scouts. Tech 1 and 2 assaults (Tech 1 sucked) but assaults go hybrid logistics with firepower with 2 eq slots and logistics had this scout/assault hybrid thing going on. And heavies where a force to be reackoned with. Now it's either go Logistics/Assault, you better be a proto suit with 3 damage mods, or go home.