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Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2035	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:42:00 - [1] - Quote For full disclosure, Fox Gaden is not a Heavy. My Heavy is Crash Gaden. I am posting on Fox for consistency. The Heavies that I learned from are Damus Trifarn and Bears Beets. HMG Heavy Starter Skill and Fitting Plan: This plan is simply a guideline. You can change the order that you skill into things based on your own priorities, especially if you already know what type of Heavy you want to become. - Skill Amarr Basic Heavy Frame suit to 1. - Setup your suit with an Armor Repair (start with militia until you skill Armor Repair up), unless you run with a Logi-Bro all the time. Put an Armor Plate on there too. You can drop the Armor Repair for a second Militia Armor Plate if you have someone who can rep you. Put Militia Shield Extenders in the high slot until you have the skills to fit at least an Enhanced Heavy Damage Upgrade (Advanced). Even if you normally run with a Logi-Bro, it is a good idea to have a fit with an Armor Repair you can switch to if your Logi-Bro canGÇÖt make it. - Skill Weaponry to level 5, Heavy Weapon Operation to level 1, and Heavy Machine Gun Operation to level 1 to unlock the HMG. - Skill up Armor Upgrades and Shield Upgrades to at least 4 to start. With both at 5 you will have 1200 health without modules. - Skill HMG Operation until you can get an Assault HMG. You will want to use the Standard HMG in urban areas with plenty of cover, and the Assault HMG (less damage but more range) on open maps. Make a fit for each. - Then skill Handheld Damage Upgrades (in the Weapon tree) to 3 so you can equip Enhanced Heavy Damage Upgrades. - Now finish skilling HMG Operation to 5 and get HMG Proficiency to 3. Then get rapid reload to 3. (At Rapid Reload 5 it reduces your 8 second reload time to 6 seconds.) - Push Handheld Damage Upgrades to 5 for the Complex Heavy Damage Upgrades. - If you have not maxed your Shield and Armour upgrade skills, do so now. - If you often run without a Logi, you will want to skill up your armor repair skill to equip a better armor repair. You may want to get it to Advanced earlier than this, but at this point you should be trying to get it to 5 for the Complex Armor repair. - Skill up Engineering and Electronics as you need more Power Grid and CPU for fitting better modules. Now a decision: What sort of HMG Heavy do you want to be? - Brick Tank Heavy: A seemingly unstoppable force, provided you have Logi-Bro support? - Assault Heavy: Sacrificing tank for independence? - Speed Heavy (Sports Turtle): Sacrificing tank for mobility? See the description and a continuation of the Skill plan and Fitting for each in the posts below. I play Sports Turtle, but most heavies are Brick Tank. After a highly ranked Loti-Bro threw a fit over my fit, I also started working on a Brick Tank fit, for those times I am working with a good Logi-Bro. Other Skills: - At some point you may want to skill into Flux Grenades to easily clear equipment such as Remote Explosives and Drop Uplinks. -The Amo capacity skill is helpful. You may want to pick it up at some point, but it is less important unless you find yourself running out of amo a lot. -You might want to skill the SMG up a little, but you may end up dropping the sidearm from some fits to save PG and CPU, so only needed if you use it. - Hacking Speed is not one you would normally think of, since the slow Heavy is likely to be the last one to the Objective, but if the terminal is being covered by a Sniper or you are trying a ninja hack at a hot Objective, the extra health of the Heavy Suit may allow you to complete the hack where a lesser suit would die before completion. Other Suits: If you are lucky the other 3 Heavy Suits will be out before you put too many points into your Dropsuit. Gallenty will likely be better for Brick Tank. Caldary, Minmitar and Amarr will be good for Assault Heavy. The Minmatar heavy should be the fastest, but I am not sure if it will have enough low slots for Kinetic Catalysers so if you like speed you may have to choose between the Minmitar and a suit with more low slots. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2035	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:42:00 - [2] - Quote Reserving 7 posts before I copy and past my newest guide. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2035	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:43:00 - [3] - Quote Reserving 7 posts before I copy and past my newest guide. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2035	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:44:00 - [4] - Quote Reserving 7 posts before I copy and past my newest guide. I have the Jeopardy theme running through my head as I wait for the post timer to run out.... Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2035	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:45:00 - [5] - Quote Reserving 7 posts before I copy and past my newest guide. Can't post for another 39 seconds.... 20 seconds... 8 seconds .. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2035	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:46:00 - [6] - Quote Reserving 7 posts before I copy and past my newest guide. Must be getting close to 7 now... Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2035	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:47:00 - [7] - Quote Reserved for future expansion of the Guide. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Crash Gaden Immortal Guides 15	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:47:00 - [8] - Quote I, Crash Gaden, endorse this message.
BATTOUSAI THE MANSLAYER Robbing The Hood Public Disorder. 21	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:39:00 - [9] - Quote +1
CaveCav D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 153	Posted - 2014.01.06 20:15:00 - [10] - Quote Excellent work as always. Can I presume next step will be Forge Guns? Now questions (as always): 1) Did you work with the basic frame only or also with the Sentinel? In my experience I found that for a HMG Heavy build the Sentinel is better, the added tank is well worth, in my opinion, the reduced gank power. On the contrary using forges I found that the second Complex Heavy Damage Modifier was vital. 2) You didn't mention the Burst HMG. Why? Dedicated Logibro, Gunner, Counter-Sniper

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2053	Posted - 2014.01.06 22:33:00 - [11] - Quote CaveCav wrote: Excellent work as always. Can I presume next step will be Forge Guns? It might be a while before I am ready to do a Forge Gun guide. I am only now getting to the point where I can hit what I am aiming at with it. Since I sort of sucked with it at first I had not skilled very far into it, so I can only use the Standard model. But it is on my skill plan for the near future, and I am starting to get the hang of it. CaveCav wrote: Now questions (as always): 1) Did you work with the basic frame only or also with the Sentinel? In my experience I found that for a HMG Heavy build the Sentinel is better, the added tank is well worth, in my opinion, the reduced gank power. On the contrary using forges I found that the second Complex Heavy Damage Modifier was vital. I am not skilled into any suits. I use the Dren Sentinel BPO, which has no skill requirements. Although I salivate over all the low slots in the Advanced and Prototype suits, I donGÇÖt want to invest skill points in suits until I have all four races to choose from. Since BPOGÇÖs are hard to come by now, I wrote the guide with the assumption that the reader would not have access to a BPO suit. CaveCav wrote: 2) You didn't mention the Burst HMG. Why? The Burst is a Beast. It is interchangeable with the normal HMG. However it requires good timing. If you get into the rhythm you can anticipate when the damage will be applied, and move or adjust during the posses. However if you donGÇÖt have the timing down you will find yourself off target when firing and not firing when you are on target. One of the interesting attributes of the Burst HMG is that due to the delayed Burst, a Burst will sometimes go off right after you die, before your body falls, making it quite common to kill the guy that killed you. I may add a section describing the different varieties of HMG in more detail, along with the tactics for each. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 164	Posted - 2014.01.06 22:35:00 - [12] - Quote CaveCav wrote: Excellent work as always. Can I presume next step will be Forge Guns? Now questions (as always): 1) Did you work with the basic frame only or also with the Sentinel? In my experience I found that for a HMG Heavy build the Sentinel is better, the added tank is well worth, in my opinion, the reduced gank power. On the contrary using forges I found that the second Complex Heavy Damage Modifier was vital. 2) You didn't mention the Burst HMG. Why? Regarding the suit, I would advise going Advanced Sentinel, even if you are not enamored with Amarr -- most of the reason being is that the basic heavy frame is freaking expensive as hell compared to the advanced Sentinel, with no bonuses. It's extremely cost ineffecient, and you are quite likely to go negative ISK in matches when just starting out. It's not a concern if you have a main toon that has a ton of ISK to fund your heavy alt (like myself) until all the heavy variants are out, but might be a consideration for noob heavies. In regards to modules, I think it's better to equip an energizer/recharger rather than an extender, especially after the HMG fix. Heavies already have the most natural HP of all suits (once Dropsuit Shield/Armor Upgrades is maxed to 5), so my philosophy is to maximize/strengthen what I already have, rather than adding more HP to the suit. my .02 ISK. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, Fatsuit \| aka Thor Thundercock, Gal Logi
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2053	Posted - 2014.01.06 22:57:00 - [13] - Quote J4yne C0bb wrote: In regards to modules, I think it's better to equip an energizer/recharger rather than an extender, especially after the HMG fix. Heavies already have the most natural HP of all suits (once Dropsuit Shield/Armor Upgrades is maxed to 5), so my philosophy is to maximize/strengthen what I already have, rather than adding more HP to the suit. That is actually what I did. But someone pointed out to me that the recharger gives percentage increase, and in the case of the Heavy that percentage is multiplying the slowest shield regen of any suit, so he argued that you donGÇÖt get much out of it. In the end I recommended the Extender rather than the Recharger, but either would be better than a Militia or Standard Damage mods. Whatever you put in the high slots to start with will get replaced by Damage mods once you skill them up. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 164	Posted - 2014.01.06 23:13:00 - [14] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: J4yne C0bb wrote: In regards to modules, I think it's better to equip an energizer/recharger rather than an extender, especially after the HMG fix. Heavies already have the most natural HP of all suits (once Dropsuit Shield/Armor Upgrades is maxed to 5), so my philosophy is to maximize/strengthen what I already have, rather than adding more HP to the suit. That is actually what I did. But someone pointed out to me that the recharger gives percentage increase, and in the case of the Heavy that percentage is multiplying the slowest shield regen of any suit, so he argued that you donGÇÖt get much out of it. In the end I recommended the Extender rather than the Recharger, but either would be better than a Militia or Standard Damage mods. Whatever you put in the high slots to start with will get replaced by Damage mods once you skill them up. Interesting. I actually don't play with any damage mods at all, for the reasons cited above. My basic advanced Sentinel fitting is as follows: High: Std Energizer Low: Adv Shield Regulator and depending on logi support: Adv Plates x 2 or 1 Adv plate and 1 advance rep mod Both my HMG and Forge are at Prof 5, though, so I'd rather use the high slot as shield support, but YMMV I suppose. May have to try dam mods out sometime. My heavy is around 10 mil SP with little skilled into CPU/PG upgrades, for reference. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, Fatsuit \| aka Thor Thundercock, Gal Logi
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2061	Posted - 2014.01.07 01:29:00 - [15] - Quote J4yne C0bb wrote: Interesting. I actually don't play with any damage mods at all, for the reasons cited above. My basic advanced Sentinel fitting is as follows: High: Std Energizer Low: Adv Shield Regulator and depending on logi support: Adv Plates x 2 or 1 Adv plate and 1 advance rep mod Both my HMG and Forge are at Prof 5, though, so I'd rather use the high slot as shield support, but YMMV I suppose. May have to try dam mods out sometime. My heavy is around 10 mil SP with little skilled into CPU/PG upgrades, for reference. I bet this fit would work really well on a Caldari Heavy, when we eventually get them. Damage mods were considered almost essential when the HMG was weak, but now that the HMG rate of fire has been increased and dispersion fixed, they may not be as needed. I have not heard of many Heavies choosing to go the shield tanking rout, but if it is working for you now I bet it will work even better when you get a suit designed for it. I would classify your fit in the Assault Heavy category I think, as it relies on the shield recharge rather than extenders. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 165	Posted - 2014.01.07 02:22:00 - [16] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I bet this fit would work really well on a Caldari Heavy, when we eventually get them. Damage mods were considered almost essential when the HMG was weak, but now that the HMG rate of fire has been increased and dispersion fixed, they may not be as needed. I have not heard of many Heavies choosing to go the shield tanking rout, but if it is working for you now I bet it will work even better when you get a suit designed for it. I would classify your fit in the Assault Heavy category I think, as it relies on the shield recharge rather than extenders. I think you're probably right -- if the Cal heavy has 3 high and 1 low on advanced, could be a nice fitting; you could switch out between a shield regulator or armor rep on the low side (depending on support), and an energizer and 2 damage mods on the high. That could be OP as heck -- heavies would be truly feared, like back in the beta days. My KDR hovers around1.95, so it's working ok at the moment, but always interested in fittings that are working for other hefty bretheren. Nice job on this thread. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, Fatsuit \| aka Thor Thundercock, Gal Logi
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2072	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:23:00 - [17] - Quote The Sentinel bonuses CCP is currently testing. These could change before they go live, but it gives us a good hint of where CCP is going with the Heavy Suit. Quote: Amarr Sentinel Skill: Sentinel Suit Bonus: 5% resistance to blast damage per level Amarr Sentinel Bonus: 3% armor resistance to projectile weapons, 2% shield resistance to hybrid - blaster weapons. Caldari Sentinel Skill: Sentinel Suit Bonus: 5% resistance to blast damage per level. Caldari Sentinel Bonus: 3% shield resistance to hybrid - blaster weapons, 2% shield resistance to laser weapons. Gallente Sentinel Skill: Sentinel Skill: 5% resistance to blast damage per level. Gallente Sentinel Bonus: 3% armor resistance to hybrid - railgun weapons, 2% armor resistance to projectile weapons. Minmatar Sentinel Skill: Sentinel Suit Bonus: 5% resistance to blast damage per level. Minmatar Sentinel Bonus: 3% shield resistance to laser weapons, 2% armor resistance to hybrid - blaster weapons. Basically, all Sentinel suits get 5% resistance to explosive damage per level, 3% resistance to their opposing factionGÇÖs damage, and 2% resistance to their opposing factionGÇÖs allyGÇÖs damage type. I like that the Sentinal bonuses do not tie us into a specific weapon. Defensive bonuses are the way to go for the Sentinel suit in my opinion. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 51	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:51:00 - [18] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: The Sentinel bonuses CCP is currently testing. These could change before they go live, but it gives us a good hint of where CCP is going with the Heavy Suit. Quote: Amarr Sentinel Skill: Sentinel Suit Bonus: 5% resistance to blast damage per level Amarr Sentinel Bonus: 3% armor resistance to projectile weapons, 2% shield resistance to hybrid - blaster weapons. Caldari Sentinel Skill: Sentinel Suit Bonus: 5% resistance to blast damage per level. Caldari Sentinel Bonus: 3% shield resistance to hybrid - blaster weapons, 2% shield resistance to laser weapons. Gallente Sentinel Skill: Sentinel Skill: 5% resistance to blast damage per level. Gallente Sentinel Bonus: 3% armor resistance to hybrid - railgun weapons, 2% armor resistance to projectile weapons. Minmatar Sentinel Skill: Sentinel Suit Bonus: 5% resistance to blast damage per level. Minmatar Sentinel Bonus: 3% shield resistance to laser weapons, 2% armor resistance to hybrid - blaster weapons. Basically, all Sentinel suits get 5% resistance to explosive damage per level, 3% resistance to their opposing factionGÇÖs damage, and 2% resistance to their opposing factionGÇÖs allyGÇÖs damage type. I like that the Sentinal bonuses do not tie us into a specific weapon. Defensive bonuses are the way to go for the Sentinel suit in my opinion. That all looks a hell of a lot better than the current Sentinel bonus of reducing weapon feedback damage. In theory, resistance to blast damage would affect Forge Guns as well as obvious things like Grenades, REs and other splash damage. Right? Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2102	Posted - 2014.01.09 12:54:00 - [19] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: That all looks a hell of a lot better than the current Sentinel bonus of reducing weapon feedback damage. In theory, resistance to blast damage would affect Forge Guns as well as obvious things like Grenades, REs and other splash damage. Right? The Forge Gun is a Hybrid - Railgun, so Gallente Sentinel gets 3% resist per level. I am guessing that the 2% hybrid - blaster resist bonus for Minmitar is a typo and will probably be hybrid - Railgun resists. These resists would be good against the Forge Gun, Rail Rifle, Sniper Rifle, and Rail Turret. Despite being a Speed Heavy, I am seriously thinking about skilling up the Amarr Sentinel. I would not mind an extra 15% resistance to projectile damage, particularly when facing an HMG. The Amarr suit would be vulnerable to Rail Rifles though, so it is a trade off. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 51	Posted - 2014.01.14 23:59:00 - [20] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: That all looks a hell of a lot better than the current Sentinel bonus of reducing weapon feedback damage. In theory, resistance to blast damage would affect Forge Guns as well as obvious things like Grenades, REs and other splash damage. Right? The Forge Gun is a Hybrid - Railgun, so Gallente Sentinel gets 3% resist per level. I am guessing that the 2% hybrid - blaster resist bonus for Minmitar is a typo and will probably be hybrid - Railgun resists. These resists would be good against the Forge Gun, Rail Rifle, Sniper Rifle, and Rail Turret. Despite being a Speed Heavy, I am seriously thinking about skilling up the Amarr Sentinel. I would not mind an extra 15% resistance to projectile damage, particularly when facing an HMG. The Amarr suit would be vulnerable to Rail Rifles though, so it is a trade off. I think the Amarr will be a slower Heavy, like it currently is. Only Speed Heavy suits I foresee are Caldari and Minmitar. Purifier. First Class.

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2170	Posted - 2014.01.15 01:57:00 - [21] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: I think the Amarr will be a slower Heavy, like it currently is. Only Speed Heavy suits I foresee are Caldari and Minmitar. As a Speed Heavy I can tell you that I donGÇÖt mind going slow when I am shooting. I just want to be able to sprint fast. The Amarr Heavy will likely have more Low Slots than the Caldari or Minmatar Heavies. On the other hand, the Minmatar heavy will have a higher base speed, so Kinetic Catalyzers will be modifying a larger number. You will be giving up a lot of health for this though. I expect their will be two schools of thought on speed heavies. More Low Slots, or More Base Speed? I am expecting to level the Amarr Heavy first, but I may also level either the Minmatar or Caldari heavy later. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 4	Posted - 2014.01.15 06:23:00 - [22] - Quote i as a fledgling logibro support this thread for major war point accumulation Nanite Injectors! Nanite Injectors Everywhere!
50LD13R Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 8	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:05:00 - [23] - Quote On my Heavy alt I actually run an energizer in my high slot. I find the quicker recharge helps get my shield buffer back in place quick enough to assist my armor reppers. +1 nice guide as usual. I would also emphasize the use of forecasting CPU requirements ahead of upgrading items you can't fit though.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2199	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:54:00 - [24] - Quote Added a section describing the HMG as well as its Assault and Burst variants. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 51	Posted - 2014.01.17 17:08:00 - [25] - Quote 50LD13R wrote: On my Heavy alt I actually run an energizer in my high slot. I find the quicker recharge helps get my shield buffer back in place quick enough to assist my armor reppers. +1 nice guide as usual. I would also emphasize the use of forecasting CPU requirements ahead of upgrading items you can't fit though. An energizer on a Heavy? I'll have to try that. Purifier. First Class.
J4yne C0bb molon labe. Public Disorder. 169	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:10:00 - [26] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: 50LD13R wrote: On my Heavy alt I actually run an energizer in my high slot. I find the quicker recharge helps get my shield buffer back in place quick enough to assist my armor reppers. +1 nice guide as usual. I would also emphasize the use of forecasting CPU requirements ahead of upgrading items you can't fit though. An energizer on a Heavy? I'll have to try that. It's helpful, in that you can get back into action a bit quicker. I've been running with an energizer and a regulator for a while now, but lately I've been trying out suggestions in this thread. I've been trying out fittings with only Advanced dam mods, plates and a repper, and I have to say, I've been pretty happy with it.... seems like my survivability seems to have gone up a bit, if I remember to play cautiously (i.e., stick to confined areas where a heavy is most effective, wait until I'm fully recharged on shields/armor before engaging again). I still think the basic advanced heavy frame is a bit too expensive for my tastes for running solo or a squad I don't know, but the above setup has been working pretty well on the advanced Sentinel. I can output more damage, and while I still can't out dps a lot of assault, I can frequently out-tank them with the extra plate if I'm within range. I think the energizer/regulator combo is still good for when you are running in a tight squad with logi support, and the dam mod/plate combo good for running solo. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, Fatsuit
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 51	Posted - 2014.01.18 13:38:00 - [27] - Quote J4yne C0bb wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: 50LD13R wrote: On my Heavy alt I actually run an energizer in my high slot. I find the quicker recharge helps get my shield buffer back in place quick enough to assist my armor reppers. +1 nice guide as usual. I would also emphasize the use of forecasting CPU requirements ahead of upgrading items you can't fit though. An energizer on a Heavy? I'll have to try that. It's helpful, in that you can get back into action a bit quicker. I've been running with an energizer and a regulator for a while now, but lately I've been trying out suggestions in this thread. I've been trying out fittings with only Advanced dam mods, plates and a repper, and I have to say, I've been pretty happy with it.... seems like my survivability seems to have gone up a bit, if I remember to play cautiously (i.e., stick to confined areas where a heavy is most effective, wait until I'm fully recharged on shields/armor before engaging again). I still think the basic advanced heavy frame is a bit too expensive for my tastes for running solo or a squad I don't know, but the above setup has been working pretty well on the advanced Sentinel. I can output more damage, and while I still can't out dps a lot of assault, I can frequently out-tank them with the extra plate if I'm within range. I think the energizer/regulator combo is still good for when you are running in a tight squad with logi support, and the dam mod/plate combo good for running solo. I find the Damage Mod/Plate combo works better with logi support that it does as a solo fitting, since the Rep will take too long to heal anything worth while. Its there just to keep you up really. A/1 Sentinel with duel Plates, a Rep and a Complex Damage Mod backed by a Logi can hold a choke point or objective pretty well. That said, I do get quite good results from running solo with a basic A/1 suit fitted with duel Damage Mods and duel Reps. Hell, even a basic A-1 with all Militia gear (and a basic HMG) holds up well against anything that's not a full Proto Sentinel if you play right. These two are working great for Operation Shadow Hunt, the latter costs only 12k a fitting and drops Scouts well and the former costs a bit more buck packs even more punch. Had the Amarr suits more high slots, or we had the other racial suits, I could see a very viable Shield Heavy given the lack of Flux use in 1.7. An Energiser and Extenders, coupled with a Regulator and a Rep, would be just as effective as stacking plates. perhaps even more so, since it'd recover faster. Purifier. First Class.
Crash Gaden Immortal Guides 27	Posted - 2014.01.25 00:05:00 - [28] - Quote The updated Amarr Sentinel was practically made for my Sports Turtle fit. 3% per level resist to other HMG Heavies. 2% per level resist to the dreaded Rail Rifle. Most Stamina of any Heavy. Best Stamina regen of any Heavy. Plenty of low slots for Kinetic Catalyzers & Cardiac Regulators. Most Armor, and still a decent amount of shields, so decent health without mods. Same base speed as Gallente & Caldari Heavies. (Minmatar does not have enough low slots.) I am starting to get a little excited...
Crash Gaden Immortal Guides 27	Posted - 2014.01.25 00:07:00 - [29] - Quote The Caldary Heavy will likely be a natural Assault Heavy.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 52	Posted - 2014.01.25 00:36:00 - [30] - Quote Gallente Heavy is going to be my choice; locking down an objective with lots of eHP and a built in (albet very small) regen. 3% resist per level to the Rail Rifle (and I believe Sniper Rifles) and 2% to lasers and scramblers makes it a good point-defence option. Still gonna need a Logi tho. I foresee the Caldari Heavy being the go-to for AV fits. Purifier. First Class.

Crash Gaden Immortal Guides 27	Posted - 2014.01.25 01:16:00 - [31] - Quote Yes, Gallente Heavy will be very popular. Most Heavies are Brick Tank fit. Also you could fill those 4 low slots on the Proto Gallente Heavy with two Kinetic Catalyzers, a Cardiac Regulator, and an Armor Repair for the ultimate Sports Turtle fit. If I could afford to run Proto all the time I would seriously consider Gallente for the low slots alone.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 52	Posted - 2014.01.25 12:39:00 - [32] - Quote Looks like we might finally get some more viable builds now that we have all the racial suits. Even the Sentinel looks more promising. Here's hoping we at least get a Drop Suit respec, although I guess I'd be fine with keeping the Amarr Sentinel as well as getting Gallente and Caldari. All we need now is those promised Heavy weapons, like the Heavy Laser. Purifier. First Class.
Crash Gaden Immortal Guides 28	Posted - 2014.01.25 21:23:00 - [33] - Quote I donGÇÖt need a respec personally. I have been using the Dren Sentinel suit the last six months and have refused to put any points into Dropsuit Command until we had all the racial variant Sentinel suits to chose from. In a great twist of Irony, now that we have the stats on the full set of suits I am now expecting to skill into the one suit we already had. That being said, I am still hoping for a respec for the Dropsuit Command tree because I donGÇÖt want everyone running the same suit as me.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 53	Posted - 2014.01.26 14:43:00 - [34] - Quote I missed out on getting the Dren Sentinel, it would save me a lot of ISK when I run my basic/pub fittings. Purifier. First Class.
char 01 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:52:00 - [35] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: I missed out on getting the Dren Sentinel, it would save me a lot of ISK when I run my basic/pub fittings. If you have at least 300 million isk you could get the Templar Set. It has a Templar Sentinel A/I blueprint dropsuit among other things.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 57	Posted - 2014.02.21 23:40:00 - [36] - Quote char 01 wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: I missed out on getting the Dren Sentinel, it would save me a lot of ISK when I run my basic/pub fittings. If you have at least 300 million isk you could get the Templar Set. It has a Templar Sentinel A/I blueprint dropsuit among other things. Sadly I don't have 300m ISK. Thanks for the tip tho. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 58	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:59:00 - [37] - Quote Fox, I feel I should point that the links about the types of Heavy fittings at the bottom of your first post are no longer working. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2599	Posted - 2014.02.23 11:51:00 - [38] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Fox, I feel I should point that the links about the types of Heavy fittings at the bottom of your first post are no longer working. Thanks for the catch Megaman Trigger. They were linking to the copy of the Guide on my Corp Forum, so they worked for me, but not for anyone outside of the Corp. So I had not noticed the issue. I have them fixed up now. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 59	Posted - 2014.03.01 16:25:00 - [39] - Quote Hey Fox, I was wondering if you had plans for doing a Forge Gun guide. I have a few points I'd be more than willing to share for the cause. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2680	Posted - 2014.03.01 17:49:00 - [40] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Hey Fox, I was wondering if you had plans for doing a Forge Gun guide. I have a few points I'd be more than willing to share for the cause. I do not feel I have mastered the Forge Gun yet. I do have proto Forge Guns through. Once I feel I fully understand the tactics around Forge Gun usage I will likely write a guide. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014

Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 59	Posted - 2014.03.01 18:05:00 - [41] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: Hey Fox, I was wondering if you had plans for doing a Forge Gun guide. I have a few points I'd be more than willing to share for the cause. I do not feel I have mastered the Forge Gun yet. I do have proto Forge Guns through. Once I feel I fully understand the tactics around Forge Gun usage I will likely write a guide. I'll add a few observations and tactics of my own, as well as a few numbers I've jotted down while tank busting. HAV weakpoints, damage boosts to said points etc. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2770	Posted - 2014.03.06 14:53:00 - [42] - Quote I am starting to work on updating the guide for 1.8. - The Assault Heavy section has been updated. (Post 3) Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
lok rark StealthSquad 33	Posted - 2014.03.24 03:16:00 - [43] - Quote Good Guide bro
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 77	Posted - 2014.04.01 11:24:00 - [44] - Quote Any other Heavies other there getting the resistance to splash damage? If so, do you know if RE's count as splash since I seem to take full damage from a RE even with level 5 bonus and shields up (should reduce it by 10% for shields) but take bonus damage if shields are down (clocked an RE once from a Min Commando at 1800)? Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2844	Posted - 2014.04.02 13:15:00 - [45] - Quote Fun fact: An Advanced Minmatar Sentinel with a Kin Cat and an Armor Repair sprints at exactly the same speed as an Amarr Sentinel with 2 Kin Cats and an Armor Repair. The Minmatar Sentinel walks faster, while the Amarr Sentinel has more health. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 78	Posted - 2014.04.02 22:54:00 - [46] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Fun fact: An Advanced Minmatar Sentinel with a Kin Cat and an Armor Repair sprints at exactly the same speed as an Amarr Sentinel with 2 Kin Cats and an Armor Repair. The Minmatar Sentinel walks faster, while the Amarr Sentinel has more health. That's interesting. How many Kin Cats would it take for a Gallente? Purifier. First Class.
Rusty Shallows 1377	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:57:00 - [47] - Quote Crash Gaden wrote: I have been using the Dren Sentinel suit the last six months and have refused to put any points into Dropsuit Command until we had all the racial variant Sentinel suits to chose from. It has been great transition suit for my Main as well. If the bonuses were even remotely useful last year I would have invested the Skill Points. Throw on top the FUBAR layout that prevented the old complex damage mod stacking and it just wasn't worth it. Everything was wrong with Heavies in 2013. The only consultation is they weren't Scouts. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 88	Posted - 2014.04.27 22:46:00 - [48] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Crash Gaden wrote: I have been using the Dren Sentinel suit the last six months and have refused to put any points into Dropsuit Command until we had all the racial variant Sentinel suits to chose from. It has been great transition suit for my Main as well. If the bonuses were even remotely useful last year I would have invested the Skill Points. Throw on top the FUBAR layout that prevented the old complex damage mod stacking and it just wasn't worth it. Everything was wrong with Heavies in 2013. The only consultation is they weren't Scouts. Thankfully Heavies are in a much better place now. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 91	Posted - 2014.05.22 11:35:00 - [49] - Quote A question for my fellow Sentinels; I've seen the vast majority of Sentinels on the field are Gallente and Amarr set up as brick tanks or heavy on the reps. As a Gallente user myself, I was wandering what's everyone's opinion on Caldari and Minmitar Sentinels? Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3443	Posted - 2014.05.22 13:27:00 - [50] - Quote Minmitar Sentinel is a Speed fit naturally. I have played a Speed fit Amarr Sentinel since 1.3 on Crash Gaden, and I continue to play that fit on him. However, I skilled Minmitar Sentinel to 5 on Fox Gaden, and I find it plays very similarly to the Speed fit Amarr Sentinel. The Minmitar (I mostly play in Standard Suits) has less health and a slightly slower sprint speed (at Standard with an Armour Repair in the one low slot) but walks faster. At Advanced a Minmitar with 1 Kin Cat is the exact same sprint speed as an Amarr with 2 Kin Cats. At Proto the Minmitar would have a faster sprint speed. Overall, I find that if you are used to playing a speed fit Sentinel, the Minmitar Sentinel actually works better than I expected. In situations where you can take advantage of your speed, including strafing while shooting, it does quite well. For assaulting a heavily defended target you might want a suit with more health though. I have also skilled Fox Gaden to 4 in the Caldari Sentinel suit. I like it. It has more health than the Minmitar suit. I put Complex Shield Extenders on it. Has a total health of about 1200 HP. Try to avoid sustained fights. If you can duck behind cover every once in a while for long enough for your shields to recharge, then it works very well. Good when working with someone else in a leapfrog advance where one person engages the enemy until his health gets low and then takes cover while the other guy engages the enemy. Rinse and repeat so the enemy are under constant fire, but you each have a chance to recover. Most people play Brick Tanked heavies, so most people will play Gallente or Amarr. If you like Speed Heavies or Assault Heavies, then the Minmitar and Caldari suits are quite good. I should note though that the Gallente and Amarr suits can be adapted to Speed and Assault roles with Kin Cat, or Armour Repair modules. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 91	Posted - 2014.05.22 13:36:00 - [51] - Quote Thanks for the answer Fox. I've spec'd into Caldari Sentinel myself lately, but I set it up as an AV fit. I'll have to give it a try with a HMG and see how it goes. Purifier. First Class.
IVIaster LUKE Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 508	Posted - 2014.05.28 15:04:00 - [52] - Quote Bump o7 \|====[\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|}>-------, SWBF I & II Vet. Former Corellian Smuggler.
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 376	Posted - 2014.05.31 00:10:00 - [53] - Quote Fox, I have a question for you. For the Caldari Sentinel, what do you feel about using the Ferroscale armor (60 HP + 2/sec recharge) instead of a standard armor repair? I think the Ferroscale is the one that auto repairs itself. If I'm wrong and it's a different one, I apologize in advance. The reason I ask is I have been using the Ferroscale (again, I think this is the self repair one) on mine and I like the extra few HP I get out of it. It has saved me on more than a couple occasions. Do you see any advantages/disadvantages to going with the armor repair over the self healing armor plates? Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 99	Posted - 2014.05.31 01:11:00 - [54] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: Fox, I have a question for you. For the Caldari Sentinel, what do you feel about using the Ferroscale armor (60 HP + 2/sec recharge) instead of a standard armor repair? I think the Ferroscale is the one that auto repairs itself. If I'm wrong and it's a different one, I apologize in advance. The reason I ask is I have been using the Ferroscale (again, I think this is the self repair one) on mine and I like the extra few HP I get out of it. It has saved me on more than a couple occasions. Do you see any advantages/disadvantages to going with the armor repair over the self healing armor plates? Reactive is the one that heals itself. Ferroscale is roughly half the HP of a normal plate but doesn't have the movement penalty. Purifier. First Class.
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 376	Posted - 2014.05.31 02:02:00 - [55] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: Fox, I have a question for you. For the Caldari Sentinel, what do you feel about using the Ferroscale armor (60 HP + 2/sec recharge) instead of a standard armor repair? I think the Ferroscale is the one that auto repairs itself. If I'm wrong and it's a different one, I apologize in advance. The reason I ask is I have been using the Ferroscale (again, I think this is the self repair one) on mine and I like the extra few HP I get out of it. It has saved me on more than a couple occasions. Do you see any advantages/disadvantages to going with the armor repair over the self healing armor plates? Reactive is the one that heals itself. Ferroscale is roughly half the HP of a normal plate but doesn't have the movement penalty. I've started using the Cal Sentinel with the HMG, usually it's my Forge fit, and I put two Enhanced Shield Energizers and a Complex Extender in the high slows with a Enhanced Regulator in the low and found it works great in hit-and-run situations or if I can duck behind cover for a few seconds (currently repairs 63HP/s). I might drop the Regulator for a Reactive or a Rep, but I enjoy the faster recharge activation/it offsets the Extender penalty. Thanks, I was thinking Reactive then..... I have both and get them mixed up all the time. I was thinking I was wrong on that so thanks Megaman. So yeah, I'm running a REACTIVE plate on the Low and 3 shield rechargers on the Highs w/ HMG/Forge/ Lvl 5 Combat Rifle (which is more nasty than I was originally thinking, great for open maps) and an SMG and locus/AV grenade. I'm like you, I love hit and run, especially when I can duck behind a wall or around a corner to heal up and then pop back out and light people up. Back to the original question, what are the positives/negatives of running Reactive plates vs. an armor repairer? I can see the cost ISK and fit wise, but anything else? Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 99	Posted - 2014.05.31 02:08:00 - [56] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: Fox, I have a question for you. For the Caldari Sentinel, what do you feel about using the Ferroscale armor (60 HP + 2/sec recharge) instead of a standard armor repair? I think the Ferroscale is the one that auto repairs itself. If I'm wrong and it's a different one, I apologize in advance. The reason I ask is I have been using the Ferroscale (again, I think this is the self repair one) on mine and I like the extra few HP I get out of it. It has saved me on more than a couple occasions. Do you see any advantages/disadvantages to going with the armor repair over the self healing armor plates? Reactive is the one that heals itself. Ferroscale is roughly half the HP of a normal plate but doesn't have the movement penalty. I've started using the Cal Sentinel with the HMG, usually it's my Forge fit, and I put two Enhanced Shield Energizers and a Complex Extender in the high slows with a Enhanced Regulator in the low and found it works great in hit-and-run situations or if I can duck behind cover for a few seconds (currently repairs 63HP/s). I might drop the Regulator for a Reactive or a Rep, but I enjoy the faster recharge activation/it offsets the Extender penalty. Thanks, I was thinking Reactive then..... I have both and get them mixed up all the time. I was thinking I was wrong on that so thanks Megaman. So yeah, I'm running a REACTIVE plate on the Low and 3 shield rechargers on the Highs w/ HMG/Forge/ Lvl 5 Combat Rifle (which is more nasty than I was originally thinking, great for open maps) and an SMG and locus/AV grenade. I'm like you, I love hit and run, especially when I can duck behind a wall or around a corner to heal up and then pop back out and light people up. Back to the original question, what are the positives/negatives of running Reactive plates vs. an armor repairer? I can see the cost ISK and fit wise, but anything else? Complex Reps, obviously, give you more. Maxed skill, they give about 7.25 HP/s, where as a Complex Reactive plate just gives a flat 2.0HP/s but a little extra Armour and a small movement penalty (I think 1%) I'm predominantly a brink tank player, I've only started trying hit-and-run to see how it is. Purifier. First Class.
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 376	Posted - 2014.05.31 02:23:00 - [57] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: Fox, I have a question for you. For the Caldari Sentinel, what do you feel about using the Ferroscale armor (60 HP + 2/sec recharge) instead of a standard armor repair? I think the Ferroscale is the one that auto repairs itself. If I'm wrong and it's a different one, I apologize in advance. The reason I ask is I have been using the Ferroscale (again, I think this is the self repair one) on mine and I like the extra few HP I get out of it. It has saved me on more than a couple occasions. Do you see any advantages/disadvantages to going with the armor repair over the self healing armor plates? Reactive is the one that heals itself. Ferroscale is roughly half the HP of a normal plate but doesn't have the movement penalty. I've started using the Cal Sentinel with the HMG, usually it's my Forge fit, and I put two Enhanced Shield Energizers and a Complex Extender in the high slows with a Enhanced Regulator in the low and found it works great in hit-and-run situations or if I can duck behind cover for a few seconds (currently repairs 63HP/s). I might drop the Regulator for a Reactive or a Rep, but I enjoy the faster recharge activation/it offsets the Extender penalty. Thanks, I was thinking Reactive then..... I have both and get them mixed up all the time. I was thinking I was wrong on that so thanks Megaman. So yeah, I'm running a REACTIVE plate on the Low and 3 shield rechargers on the Highs w/ HMG/Forge/ Lvl 5 Combat Rifle (which is more nasty than I was originally thinking, great for open maps) and an SMG and locus/AV grenade. I'm like you, I love hit and run, especially when I can duck behind a wall or around a corner to heal up and then pop back out and light people up. Back to the original question, what are the positives/negatives of running Reactive plates vs. an armor repairer? I can see the cost ISK and fit wise, but anything else? Complex Reps, obviously, give you more. Maxed skill, they give about 7.25 HP/s, where as a Complex Reactive plate just gives a flat 2.0HP/s but a little extra Armour and a small movement penalty (I think 1%) I'm predominantly a brink tank player, I've only started trying hit-and-run to see how it is. That's kind of what I was wondering. I wasn't sure on the specs of the complex reps. So you're getting quite a bit faster repair in lieu of the extra HP. Kind of figuring out which one works best for the individual. Awesome. Thanks for the info Megaman. Truly appreciated. Maybe I'll build an extra fit with reps and see how much different it feels to me realtime. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 100	Posted - 2014.05.31 23:03:00 - [58] - Quote Okay, so I've been running my Cal fit for most of the night and it works (or rather I can use it) better than I expected. Currently it's a Cal C/1 with two Enhanced Energisers and a Complex Extender in the highs, an Enhanced Rep in the low (swapped from an Enhanced Regulator,) MH-82 HMG and Scrambler Pistol with Flux Grenades (plan to swap these for Locus soon) Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3556	Posted - 2014.06.01 00:41:00 - [59] - Quote To remember the difference between Ferroscale and Reactive plates, remember that Reactive plates GÇ£ReactGÇ¥ to damage and heal themselves. While GÇ£ScaleGÇ¥ armor is lighter, but not as tough as regular GÇ£plateGÇ¥. I understand the temptation to put a Regulator in the low, but personally I would not go without some sort of armor repair, because although the Caldari Sentinel is primarily a shield tank, it still has a large amount of armor. I have not tried the Reactive Plate. I think it is worth a try, as it gives you a larger buffer, but I am not sure if I would be comfortable with the slow rep. Armor Repair reps faster than the Reactive Plate, which means faster recovery, and they are buffing Armor Repair in Hotfix Alpha. I just tonight replaced a Shield Extender in my high slot on my Caldari Sentinel with an Energizer. I suspect it is the better way to go, but I am not done testing it yet. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 100	Posted - 2014.06.01 00:59:00 - [60] - Quote If you can get used to the drop in shield HP then it should be ideal. I believe that Enhanced Rechargers give the same boost as a Basic Energiser ( a Complex Recharger is 3% short of an Enhanced Energiser,) without the penalty to HP, so that might be an alternative if you can't spare the HP loss The downside to Shield Rechargers is the stacking penalty on them. I figure I may as well throw out an open invite to my HeavyBros online. If you see me on and I'm not squaded up, drop me an invite. I'd welcome the opportunity to learn from you guys and see what I can share. Purifier. First Class.

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3710	Posted - 2014.06.16 10:28:00 - [61] - Quote My new favorite fit: Advanced Amarr Sentinel 2x Complex Armor Repair Complex Plate Complex Heavy Damage Modifier GÇÿSteelmineGÇÖ Boundless HMG, SMG, Flux Grenade. The fit I have mostly been running for the last two weeks: Standard Sentinel (Dren BPO) 2x Militia Armor Repair Militia Shield Extender HMG, Militia SMG, Flux Grenade. The second suit costs 3810 ISK (6810 ISK without the BPO). I managed to go 29/11 in the cheap suit last night in a Domination match. I have since switched the Militia Shield Extender out for a Militia Damage Modifier (Bumps the price up to 3930 ISK). If you train in the cheap suit, you will absolutely wreck when you switch to the expensive version. Of course I did not start running the cheap suit for training. I started running it because I was broke. These fits are what I refer to as Assault Sentinel fits. That is, they play like a Caldari Sentinel, having to take cover part way through the fight to regenerate health before reengaging. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2372	Posted - 2014.06.16 14:16:00 - [62] - Quote As a long time player, but somewhat neophyte Sentinel, I'm looking forward to playing with the higher end fittings options. Thanks for giving me a good place to start Fox o7 Cross Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1133	Posted - 2014.06.16 17:37:00 - [63] - Quote Fox...tagging this one a favorite so I can shoot it to newbro's looking to learn the ways of Lethal Fatness. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 103	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:43:00 - [64] - Quote Since Fox posted his, I'll post my commonly used fitting: Gallente G-I Sentinel Basic Heavy Machine Gun Militia SMG Militia Locus Grenade Militia Damage Mod (sometimes Militia Shield Extender) Militia Armour Rep (sometimes second Militia Plate) Militia Armour Plate (sometimes second Militia Rep) Total: less that 7000 per suit (I'll edit the exact total in later) This isn't really a solo suit. The Gallente is very armour reliant, so you want a Logi somewhere close if you want to live longer than the first couple of kills. The second Plate is great if you have a Logi in squad, if not the second Rep is a better choice. This works well for holding a point or sweeping a room, not so well as an Assault Sentinel. The odd part is that I tend to run this if solo or cut off from the squad. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 105	Posted - 2014.07.06 14:47:00 - [65] - Quote New cheap fit I've been running: C-I Sentinel Basic HMG Militia SMG Militia Shield Extender Militia Shield Extender (sometimes swap to basic Recharger or Energiser) Militia Armour Rep Militia Locus Grenade Cost: 6270 ISK The cheapest assault fitting I can get without managing to get my hands on a BPO suit. With my HMG skills maxed out, it's lethal up close. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3855	Posted - 2014.07.06 21:52:00 - [66] - Quote That looks like a good fit Trigger. I only have 2 or 3 matches in a Month where i would die enough to loose ISK with a suit like that. It looks like a money maker, and still quite effective if played well. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 105	Posted - 2014.07.06 23:27:00 - [67] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: That looks like a good fit Trigger. I only have 2 or 3 matches in a Month where i would die enough to loose ISK with a suit like that. It looks like a money maker, and still quite effective if played well. Thanks Fox. Between it and the Gal counterpart, I can make ISK no problems. The maxed out Proficiency skill puts the basic HMG on par with a Proto HMG that lacks Prof skills. Armour and Shields are maxed out too, for full effect. The rest comes down to being aware of what's happening and, if up against a Sentinel with higher tier stuff, getting the drop. Both have taken out Advanced and even Proto, with a little luck. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 105	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:12:00 - [68] - Quote Anyone up for squadding up sometime Saturday and just running amok in Dom? Purifier. First Class.
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 427	Posted - 2014.07.11 01:00:00 - [69] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: My new favorite fit: Advanced Amarr Sentinel 2x Complex Armor Repair Complex Plate Complex Heavy Damage Modifier GÇÿSteelmineGÇÖ Boundless HMG, SMG, Flux Grenade. The fit I have mostly been running for the last two weeks: Standard Sentinel (Dren BPO) 2x Militia Armor Repair Militia Shield Extender HMG, Militia SMG, Flux Grenade. The second suit costs 3810 ISK (6810 ISK without the BPO). I managed to go 29/11 in the cheap suit last night in a Domination match. I have since switched the Militia Shield Extender out for a Militia Damage Modifier (Bumps the price up to 3930 ISK + 3000 ISK if you have to pay for the suit). If you train in the cheap suit, you will absolutely wreck when you switch to the expensive version. Of course I did not start running the cheap suit for training. I started running it because I was broke. These fits are what I refer to as Assault Sentinel fits. That is, they play like a Caldari Sentinel, having to take cover part way through the fight to regenerate health before reengaging. You find the dual reppers more useful than 2 advanced plates? Interesting, never bothered with dual reppers on my heavy. Also, +1 for fluxes, much more useful than mil grenades, even though they are cheaper. I never carry anything else on an HMG fitting. Essential for getting the drop advancing heavies. If I know he's coming for me, and I'm around the corner or behind cover, if I have time I cook a flux and try to chuck it at his feet -- lot easier to smoke other heavies, especially Cal, that way. I'm playing Advanced Cal these days, mostly: -- Enhanced repper -- Enhanced energizer -- 2 Enhanced Extenders -- MH-82, M209, and fluxes Not cheap, but I did get my best score ever in 1.5 years of playing last week: 43-0, playing with no support! It was In a public skirm with one squad of no-names, so not much to brag about, but even so, was pretty happy with myself from a performance standpoint, since I didn't go down one time -- a rarity, for me anyway. I agree about forcing yourself to play a standard fitting -- makes you so much better in the long run. You really discover the limits of your suit, and you adjust your playstyle. Then once you upgrade your suit, but keep playing the same way, you become that much more powerful on the battlefield. I do the same with my logi BPO Sever suit. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 439	Posted - 2014.07.11 20:14:00 - [70] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Anyone up for squadding up sometime Saturday and just running amok in Dom? I would, but I work Saturdays, unfortunately. Might have time Sunday, though. You can find me in chat 'Heavy/Logi Funzone', hit me up sometime. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman

Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 106	Posted - 2014.07.11 23:34:00 - [71] - Quote J4yne C0bb wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: Anyone up for squadding up sometime Saturday and just running amok in Dom? I would, but I work Saturdays, unfortunately. Might have time Sunday, though. You can find me in chat 'Heavy/Logi Funzone', hit me up sometime. I'll be sure to add that chat, thanks Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 111	Posted - 2014.07.16 01:22:00 - [72] - Quote J4yne C0bb wrote: I'm playing Advanced Cal these days, mostly: -- Enhanced repper -- Enhanced energizer -- 2 Enhanced Extenders -- MH-82, M209, and fluxes I have something similar, but I swapped the Enhanced Rep for a Complex Reactive Plate, one Enhanced Extender for a Complex one and the other Extender for another Energizer. Probably costs more than your fit and is slightly less efficient head-to-head, but it lets me spend less time recharging. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 113	Posted - 2014.07.21 22:30:00 - [73] - Quote So by now we've seen the proposed balances to the Sentinels and the HMG. What's everyone's thoughts? Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3952	Posted - 2014.07.22 10:25:00 - [74] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: So by now we've seen the proposed balances to the Sentinels and the HMG. What's everyone's thoughts? I posted my thoughts here. Fox Gaden wrote: As a HMG specialist (Read my Guide) I support these changes overall. Heat Buildup: I am an experienced HMG user and I donGÇÖt like wasting bullets. Therefor I normally shoot in bursts, and only when I am on target. So I donGÇÖt think I will be effected a great deal from these changes. However, the spray and prey crowd who are always calling for a Nano Hive because they have burned through 1000 rounds, will probably have more trouble with the heat build up. It will make the HMG require more skill to use effectively, which will reduce the number of people using it as easy mode. That is a good thing. Currently I only overheat my Standard HMG when trying to kill a LAV (can we get the +25% damage to vehicles to balance this heat buildup nerf?) and when firing into a crowd of 4 or 5 people huddled together (fish in a barrel) where I can change targets while continuing to fire every time I get a kill without wasting bullets. With the increased heat buildup those overheat situations will happen more often, but they can be managed. Normalizing ranges across all tiers: I am all for this. Sometimes I use Standard HMG and sometimes I use Proto HMG. It will be a lot easier if their range profile is consistent. I wonGÇÖt have muscle memory working against me. Burst HMG changes: These sound interesting. However too many variables are changing for me to comment before testing. Rate of fire, damage per round, and burst delay are all changing, which will all effect how fast heat builds up while trying to kill someone. This could make it OP or UP, so I suggest you test it carefully. I like the reduction in the burst delay. I like to fire in short bursts with the Standard HMG, but with the Burst HMG I would fire a burst and then when I would pull the trigger for the next burst the delay would not be over yet and nothing would happen for a moment. Since I have the slowest trigger speed of anyone I know, this does lead me to believe that the bust delay was too long. I am thinking that the Burst HMG with the new changes might go very well with the Minmitar Sentinel suit play style. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 113	Posted - 2014.07.23 12:16:00 - [75] - Quote I've never actually used the Burst HMG, so I'll have to test it out. I stick to the standard HMG, I wasn't particularly fond of the Assault since my play style is more up-close and personal than the Assault was designed for. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3954	Posted - 2014.07.23 16:45:00 - [76] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: I've never actually used the Burst HMG, so I'll have to test it out. I stick to the standard HMG, I wasn't particularly fond of the Assault since my play style is more up-close and personal than the Assault was designed for. The Assault HMG works very well on some maps such as Ashland and Line Harvest, but I have just been using the Standard HMG in these maps recently. They have a combination of open areas, with a bit of cover, so either HMG will work. The Assault works really well from the Table Top, or from the top of pipes though. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 113	Posted - 2014.07.31 01:32:00 - [77] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: I've never actually used the Burst HMG, so I'll have to test it out. I stick to the standard HMG, I wasn't particularly fond of the Assault since my play style is more up-close and personal than the Assault was designed for. The Assault HMG works very well on some maps such as Ashland and Line Harvest, but I have just been using the Standard HMG in these maps recently. They have a combination of open areas, with a bit of cover, so either HMG will work. The Assault works really well from the Table Top, or from the top of pipes though. I imagine the extra range would help from higher up. I just prefer to get up close and personal with my HMG. Tried the Burst, not really a fan of it. I can see why it does well, it's just not for me. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 113	Posted - 2014.08.13 11:51:00 - [78] - Quote Kinda mixed over the Hotfix update. Don't have an issue with the HMG balance but I'm not too fond of what they did to the Sentinel slot layouts. Plus, what the hell happened to the grenades on my fittings? Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4035	Posted - 2014.08.14 15:33:00 - [79] - Quote My feedback so far on Sentinel changes in Hotfix Charli: Evaluation of the New Burst HMG [Hotfix Delta] Suggested Sentinel changes The CPU & PG changes seem to have effected the Minmitar and Caldari Sentinels worse than the Amarr Sentinel. The grenades were removed so that most of our fits would remain valid. While it has been a pain to have to go back in and add grenades to each of our fits, it would have been even more of a problem if we had logged in, joined a match, and then discovered that we did not have any valid fits. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 688	Posted - 2014.08.14 20:22:00 - [80] - Quote Lol re: the grenades... I still had 11 fittings that were redlined, even with the removal! Not complaining about the CPU/PG change though, I think it was necessary. Cal Sentinel is difficult to fit, but it always has been tight, honestly -- I use it primarily to run forge and AV nades, which are PG intensive. I did save some of my SP, with the expectation that when Chuck hit, most of it would be dropped into CPU/PG enhancements. My Core was already at 5, but Engineering and Electronics were at 2. To get my fits back to a usable state, had to go to 3 on both, but I kept redlining PG... I ended up taking Level 2 into SMG Fitting Optimization (figuring this would be most beneficial short term since I use an SMG on all my fits) which allowed me to edge in under the redline on a lot of my suits. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman

Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 123	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:11:00 - [81] - Quote I can agree that the nerf was needed on Gal Sentinel, since it had way too much CPU and PG, but Cal has always been tighter to fit when running an AV. Never thought I'd have to spec into the Optimizations, but I guess now it's actually worth it for the Forge. Still feels like a waste of a skill for the HMG. I find it funny that the Gastun's has the lowest PG of any Forge at only 10, putting under even the basic. I'm gonna have to pump SP into Engineering and Electronics lvl 5 to see if I can't rebuild my fits. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4044	Posted - 2014.08.15 14:28:00 - [82] - Quote I have Engineering and Electronics at 5 on both of my Sentinels, and they are both 3 or 4 levels into the HMG Optimization. But I was fitting proto mods to Standard suits. Fittings are a lot tighter now, they donGÇÖt seem unreasonable. I definitely have had to downgrade some stuff, but I have still been able to make effective fits. The exception being the Standard Caldari Sentinel, which I do not believe can be made effective, unless you are running with a Caldari Logi with Rep Hives. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 690	Posted - 2014.08.15 18:01:00 - [83] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I have Engineering and Electronics at 5 on both of my Sentinels, and they are both 3 or 4 levels into the HMG Optimization. But I was fitting proto mods to Standard suits. Fittings are a lot tighter now, they donGÇÖt seem unreasonable. I definitely have had to downgrade some stuff, but I have still been able to make effective fits. The exception being the Standard Caldari Sentinel, which I do not believe can be made effective, unless you are running with a Caldari Logi with Rep Hives. Yeah, I just deleted all my C-1 Sentinel fits, which is a shame. Pretty useless now, unless you run with support, but then, wasn't that the advantage of Cal -- to be able to run solo, or at least a bit more freely? Removing the low pretty much destroyed that ability. I'd they rather stayed 2H/1L. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4045	Posted - 2014.08.15 18:09:00 - [84] - Quote I am pushing for a 2 HP per second built in passive armor repair for the Caldari Sentinel. (3 minutes for full armor repair.) This would make the Standard Caldari Sentinel viable again, and allow the Advanced and Proto Caldari Sentinels some options as to what to put in their one low slot. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 124	Posted - 2014.08.15 23:41:00 - [85] - Quote Basic Cal Sentinel needs something to make up for the loss of the low slot. Purifier. First Class.
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 712	Posted - 2014.08.22 21:01:00 - [86] - Quote In light of the Cal C-1 nerf, I'm been rocking a pretty fun fit lately on Punch. It's basically a speed turtle fit: Amarr A/1 Complex Sheild Extender 2 Standard Kin Cats 1 Complex repper MLR-A Standard Submachine Gun Costs about 33K ISK. Have the speed to run around with about 1100 eHP, and burst mofos in the face. Fit is fun as hell, I have to say. Anybody doing similar these days? Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 125	Posted - 2014.08.22 23:16:00 - [87] - Quote I gave the Burst a try and found it not to my style. I might give the Proto a shot at a later date and stick with it a little longer, see how it plays out. I've actually come to like the slot swap on the Gallente Proto. Two high slots lets me run a decent AV with good eHP. Purifier. First Class.
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 714	Posted - 2014.08.22 23:29:00 - [88] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: I gave the Burst a try and found it not to my style. I might give the Proto a shot at a later date and stick with it a little longer, see how it plays out. I've actually come to like the slot swap on the Gallente Proto. Two high slots lets me run a decent AV with good eHP. It does require a different playstyle, to be sure, but it is extremely fun, and proto is not even necessary, honestly. Here's the fit I'm running for about 30K on protofits.com: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1248/7019 Well worth learning to use, it's great fun! Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 127	Posted - 2014.08.23 12:27:00 - [89] - Quote J4yne C0bb wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: I gave the Burst a try and found it not to my style. I might give the Proto a shot at a later date and stick with it a little longer, see how it plays out. I've actually come to like the slot swap on the Gallente Proto. Two high slots lets me run a decent AV with good eHP. It does require a different playstyle, to be sure, but it is extremely fun, and proto is not even necessary, honestly. Here's the fit I'm running for about 30K on protofits.com: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1248/7019 Well worth learning to use, it's great fun! I only have access to the Gal and Cal suits, and lack Kin Cats. I'll give the Burst another go tho. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 127	Posted - 2014.08.24 15:37:00 - [90] - Quote Been running the following fit all day today; Sentinel G/1 MLR-A Burst HMG M209 Assault SMG Locus Grenades Complex Heavy Damage Mod Enhanced Armour Plate Enhanced Armour Plate Enhanced Armour Rep Fitting cost: 47,895 ISK Yeah, not cheap but it's been tearing through clones all afternoon. Took a bit of practice to get used to the 5 burst limit (a 6th will overheat me) Considering dropping the Damage Mod and SMG to basic and upping the Rep and possibly Plates to Complex for maximum tank. Purifier. First Class.

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4084	Posted - 2014.08.25 12:22:00 - [91] - Quote Field Testing the Caldari Standard Sentinel [Hotfix Charlie] Reason for testing: It was thought that the inability of the Caldari Standard Sentinel suit to repair its armor, due to the lack of a low slot, would be a crippling liability. While it is a shield tanked suit, it was thought that the armor buffer would be needed to get to cover when their shields go down, particularly if Flux grenades are used. Also, since armor accounts for 42% of a Caldari SentinelGÇÖs base health, if the armor wore down in multiple encounters, the Sentinel could be left with less health than an Assault suit, with no way to get back to full effectiveness. Field Testing Results: In field testing the lack of armor repair capability was not a significant issue. During testing only about 10% of deaths could be contributed to armor attrition. The majority of deaths were from single encounter engagements were armor repair would not have affected the outcome: Rail Turrets, Forge Guns, Flux Grenade + Shotgun, 3 v 1, etc. In cases where there are close fights leaving the Caldari Sentinel with armor damage, there were often Repping NanoHives, or blueberries with Rep tools, so armor deficits could usually be dealt with. The only time the lack of self repair became a substantial liability was in battles where the Sentinel is encountering a lot of close fights, leaving it with armor damage, and there is no logistical support on the SentinelGÇÖs team. Only about 20% of the matches during the test met these criteria, and even in these cases if the Sentinel survived long enough that armor repair would have helped, they would usually get several kills before they succumb to Armor depletion. Personal Observations: I died more times from my Burst HMG overheating or running out of ammo than I did to armor attrition during the tests. I tested with both the Burst HMG and with the Standard HMG and only had a negative KDR in one match during testing. I have a photograph of my screen in the middle of a battle with 0 armor and full shields. I survived for about a minute after that, but died before I could find a Rep Hive. My biggest complaint about the Caldari Standard Sentinel suit is that it is slow and has very little stamina, but that is working as intended. I am just spoiled from running Amarr and Minmatar Sentinels which do not have Stamina issues. (Technically the Amarr Sentinel is slower than the Caldari, but it can run for a long time.) I like to sprint when I am not shooting. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4084	Posted - 2014.08.25 12:31:00 - [92] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Considering dropping the Damage Mod and SMG to basic and upping the Rep and possibly Plates to Complex for running solo. EDIT: Can fit 2x Complex Plates, Complex Rep and an Enhanced Damage Mod. Definitely better to go Proto on the defensive modules with the burst. If you manage to hit them you will kill them, so the damage mod is not really needed. Of course you might consider swapping the Heavy Damage mod for a Complex Sidearm Damage mod in your original fit. (+8 on the Complex sidearm mod after Charlie) That way you can switch to your sidearm when heat or ammo are an issue and still be beastly. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 127	Posted - 2014.08.25 22:58:00 - [93] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: Considering dropping the Damage Mod and SMG to basic and upping the Rep and possibly Plates to Complex for running solo. EDIT: Can fit 2x Complex Plates, Complex Rep and an Enhanced Damage Mod. Definitely better to go Proto on the defensive modules with the burst. If you manage to hit them you will kill them, so the damage mod is not really needed. Of course you might consider swapping the Heavy Damage mod for a Complex Sidearm Damage mod in your original fit. (+8 on the Complex sidearm mod after Charlie) That way you can switch to your sidearm when heat or ammo are an issue and still be beastly. The SMG is so rarely used that I considered dropping it completely, but that would leave me too vulnerable in the event I run out of HMG ammo. I only really rely on the SMG while moving in my Cal Forge fits. If I was going to drop the Heavy Mod on my HMG fits, I'd do so for a Shield Extender or Recharger/Energizer. I like to tank. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4092	Posted - 2014.08.26 13:10:00 - [94] - Quote You will have cause to use the SMG a lot more with a Burst HMG than with any other HMG. I do actually have a Burst HMG fit with no sidearm, but I would not recommend it as not having a sidearm when your clip runs dry in the middle of a fire fight is a dangerous situation. The reason for the Sidearm Damage Mod fit suggestion is as follows: After 4 burst switch to sidearm to allow your HMG to cool before switching back. When below 60 ammo in the clip switch to your sidearm until you get a break and can reload. This way you should never overheat or have to reload your HMG in the middle of a fire fight. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 127	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:19:00 - [95] - Quote I've noticed that the Burst HMG eats through ammo, partly because of the insane RoF and partly because there have been times where I've held the trigger a hair too long after a kill and fired an extra burst. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4104	Posted - 2014.08.29 19:23:00 - [96] - Quote lee corwood wrote: http://i.imgur.com/HU7jR56.png Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4193	Posted - 2014.09.10 15:00:00 - [97] - Quote Militia HMG coming in Delta. I look forward to field testing it. I donGÇÖt expect it to be very effective, but it might act as a gateway weapon. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 128	Posted - 2014.09.10 23:03:00 - [98] - Quote That's going on my cheap fit for sure. If I can drop a Proto with that, like I have with the basic, I will laugh my clone to death, respawn and die laughing again. Even better for me; LP store Forge Guns and, hopefully, Specialist Proto (the reduced fitting cost ones) HMG and Forge. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4206	Posted - 2014.09.11 01:02:00 - [99] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: That's going on my cheap fit for sure. If I can drop a Proto with that, like I have with the basic, I will laugh my clone to death, respawn and die laughing again. Even better for me; LP store Forge Guns and, hopefully, Specialist Proto (the reduced fitting cost ones) HMG and Forge. We will likely have to kill Proto suits one at a time. That thing is going to overheat quick. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 128	Posted - 2014.09.11 23:57:00 - [100] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: That's going on my cheap fit for sure. If I can drop a Proto with that, like I have with the basic, I will laugh my clone to death, respawn and die laughing again. Even better for me; LP store Forge Guns and, hopefully, Specialist Proto (the reduced fitting cost ones) HMG and Forge. We will likely have to kill Proto suits one at a time. That thing is going to overheat quick. Going to need a Logi for sure, so I can stay alive long enough. Purifier. First Class.

Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 128	Posted - 2014.09.21 22:21:00 - [101] - Quote Anyone else think that the projectile balance in Delta is going to hit the HMG harder than it will the Combat Rifle? Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4297	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:43:00 - [102] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Anyone else think that the projectile balance in Delta is going to hit the HMG harder than it will the Combat Rifle? That is an interesting point. What configuration did they settle on? +15/+15 or -20/+20? Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 128	Posted - 2014.09.22 23:28:00 - [103] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: Anyone else think that the projectile balance in Delta is going to hit the HMG harder than it will the Combat Rifle? That is an interesting point. Old: +10/-5 New: +15/+15 I see this as a buff to the Caldari and Minatar Sentinels. It also might make Shield Extenders better than Damage mods when facing other HMG Sentinels. +15/-15 is what they're going with? I'm expecting a lot of Caldari Sentinels then. Guess I'll have to swap Locus for Flux after all. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4318	Posted - 2014.09.23 12:12:00 - [104] - Quote Caldari Sentinel needed a bit of a buff. I fit Flux all the time anyway. But the time it takes to get your HMG back into action after throwing a grenade makes grenades impractical for use in combat by Sentinels most of the time, unless you can flux them and then retreat around a corner to give yourself the time you need. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4332	Posted - 2014.09.24 12:21:00 - [105] - Quote Analysis of the Projectile damage profile change from -5/+10 to -15/+15 (Shield/Armor) in Hot Fix Delta and what this means for HMG Sentinel vs HMG Sentinel engagements: -15/+15 (Shield/Armor) damage profile for Projectile weapons (HMG) -15 vs Armor resistance bonus for Amarr Sentinel with max skills -10 vs Armor resistance bonus for Gallente Sentinel with max skills HMG damage adjustment against the primary defense of each racial Sentinel: -15 vs Caldari Sentinel Shields -15 vs Minmatar Sentinel Shields +0 vs Amarr Sentinel Armor (+15 damage profile, -15 resistance bonus) +5 vs Gallente Sentinel Armor (+15 damage profile, -10 resistance bonus) So in a stand up head to head fight in unmodified suits the Caldari Sentinel has the advantage. The Minmatar Sentinel has the same damage profile advantage but has far less health. However when you add modules into the mix you must keep in mind that Armor Plate adds a lot more health than Shield Extenders do, and armor can be reinforced by external reps from a Repair Tool. In HMG Sentinel vs HMG Sentinels engagements the Projectile change has the following effect on primary tanking type: 10% buff to Caldai 10% buff to Minmatar 5% nerf to Amarr 5% nerf to Gallente Overall, I feel the shield suits needed this change as the Armor suits were superior in every way. They will be much closer to balanced now with Armor suits only having a clear advantage when paired with a Logi. However, I think the Gallente Sentinel has slipped two patches in a row. First trading a low slot for a high slot, and then getting a 5% nerf to their primary tanking style vs other HMG Sentinels. I feel the self rep bonus on the Gallente Sentinel suit should be increased a few % to make up for these nerfs. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4350	Posted - 2014.09.25 00:23:00 - [106] - Quote Initial Testing of Delta Changes to the Burst HMG (-10% damage, & increased Heat buildup) Q) Is the Burst HMG broken? A) No, it is not. Q) Is the Advanced Burst HMG still better than a Standard HMG? A) I am not sure yet. Requires more testing. The Advanced HMG can fire 5 Bursts without overheating, but overheats the instant the 6th Burst starts. Interestingly, if you overheat in the first engagement, you will run out of ammo in your clip just before overheating the second time, casing you to go into a reload rather than seizing up with overheat, so you can switch to a sidearm. Proto overheats half way through the 6th burst which is one burst less than in Charlie. Testing continuesGÇª Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 128	Posted - 2014.09.29 00:32:00 - [107] - Quote So I've tested the Militia HMG and, with it's current heat build-up, it overheats after about half it's clip when you fire continuously. The HMG seems to have been hit harder than the CR by the balance. At least, that's how it feels. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4398	Posted - 2014.09.29 12:34:00 - [108] - Quote I have replaced my Standard HMG with a Militia HMG on several fits. I find it a lot more fun than the Standard as the heat penalty on the Militia is great enough that you actually have to think about it, but not great enough to cause any serious problems. I have only overheated in the most extreme scenarios. In theory the Militia should hit as hard as the Standard HMG to give people a feel for what it is like to run HMG, but have severe enough penalties that people would choose the Standard over the Militia once they have skilled into it. I actually feel the Standard HMG heat buildup should be closer to the MilitiaGÇÖs current heat, and the Militia should have even more heat buildup. I donGÇÖt think there is much of a reason to choose the Standard over the Militia at this point. The penalty on the Militia is not severe enough. I go more into my thoughts on heat buildup in this post. I actually managed to overheat a Boundless HMG today, but I had to really REALY work at it. I think the change of the Projectile Damage profile is more apparent with HMGGÇÖs because Sentinel vs Sentinel battles tend to be so close that every little advantage makes a big difference. I have switched out Damage Mods for Shield Extenders on my Advanced Amarr Sentinel fits. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 128	Posted - 2014.09.29 23:35:00 - [109] - Quote The Militia HMG's heat build-up and smaller clip forces you to pick and choose your engagements, going after the smaller, light armoured targets over other Sentinels. Tho I did get the drop on an Advanced Sentinel(I think it was a Minmitar) and take it out with the Militia HMG. Not sure if I agree about there not being enough of an advantage with Standard over Militia, since the Standard HMG has the larger clip, noticeably lower heat build-up and larger max ammo. Overheating a Boundless usually requires unloading 80% of the ammo in constant fire, which is enough to kill a half dozen Assaults and/or Logistics. Or a couple of Sentinels. I swapped the damage mods out for Shield Extenders in Charlie, since I felt having that extra shield buffer was better than the Damage Mods if I'm using a HMG. I'll need to tweak my Cal Sentinel now for a balance between shield HP and shield regen. I can push the shield regen to about 100+HP/s but that's at the cost of having base shields. Damage Mods have been relegated to only my AV fits. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4413	Posted - 2014.09.30 12:06:00 - [110] - Quote I donGÇÖt really think there is any difference between the Militia and Standard HMG when facing another sentinel 1v1. One or the other of you will be dead before the Militia HMG overheats. The heat buildup and smaller clip only become a factor when dealing with another Sentinel when there are other enemy involved in the engagement. I have killed plenty of Sentinels with the Militia HMG, and been killed by a fair number of Militia HMGGÇÖs as well. Of course the damage is comparable to a Standard HMG, so Advanced, Proto, and Burst will have the advantage. I also find Caldari Sentinels to be a hard nut to crack since the change to the projectile damage profile. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 129	Posted - 2014.09.30 23:03:00 - [111] - Quote Haven't come across many Cal Sentinels yet, but I'm sure they'll pop up eventually. The Gal has fallen out of favour, following what amounts to two nerfs in a row. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4447	Posted - 2014.10.01 11:59:00 - [112] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Haven't come across many Cal Sentinels yet, but I'm sure they'll pop up eventually. The Gal has fallen out of favour, following what amounts to two nerfs in a row. Yeah, I have been pushing for an increase to the Gallente Sentinel suitGÇÖs passive Rep bonus. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 129	Posted - 2014.10.02 23:48:00 - [113] - Quote Maybe make it a 0.5Hp/s rep bonus per suit level? Is it just me, or do the Sentinels feel faster since Delta? I don't recall my "militia" Gal or Proto Cal being this quick. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 129	Posted - 2014.10.31 16:30:00 - [114] - Quote I took a break from the game came back to find ALL Dropsuits got a built in regen. When did that happen? Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4799	Posted - 2014.11.01 02:07:00 - [115] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: I took a break from the game came back to find ALL Dropsuits got a built in regen. When did that happen? Just a few days ago, but it is definitely a help for the Standard Caldari Sentinel which has no low slots. It also allowed me to put a Kin Cat on my Quafe Minmitar Sentinel suit. (That's right, we got Fabulous pink Sentinel BPO's now!) Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 129	Posted - 2014.11.01 14:11:00 - [116] - Quote I like how the Gal Sentinel got a buff to the existing repair to keep it ahead of the pack, and to make up for the slot switch, and how Scouts were actually nerf'd in their repair. That felt a long time coming. Did a quick test yesterday and I could get a Gal Sentinel gk.0 with over 30HP/s repair. Sure a Rep Tool is better, but for solo hit and run? That's pretty good IMO. Armour was a decent 650+ while shields were about 530+ Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 130	Posted - 2014.11.09 16:53:00 - [117] - Quote Thanks to the passive rep buff, I've been able to run Caldari suits more. I saw a Proto fitting in another threat that seemed perfect for short engagements or hit and run, so I modified it for both the C-I and the C/1. Caldari C-I Sentinel Basic HMG (You can swap this out for the Militia if you want to save a little ISK) Militia Scrambler Pistol (figured I'd use something effective on Shields but any side arm works) Militia Locus Grenade (can swap for Militia Flux if you need something for Shields) 3x Basic Shield Energizer Cost: 9000 ISK A nice, tidy 9k gets a little over 600 Shields and a little under 490 Armour. Shield Recharge comes in at 69.84HP/s, making it pretty good for short fights. You also have PG and CPU to spare, so you can fit better weapons if you want. Caldari C/1 MH-82 HMG Basic SMG Basic Flux Grenade Enhanced Armour Plate (will test the repair instead soon) 2x Enhanced Shield Energizer 1x Complex Shield Recharger Cost: 35,655 ISK Pricey but with near enough 600 each for Shield and Armour and a Shield Recharge of 98.31HP/s, if seems fair. Caldari ck.0 Boundless HMG Basic SMG Basic Flux Grenade Complex Armour Repair (currently testing over Complex Plate) 2x Enhanced Shield Energizers 2. Complex Shield Rechargers Cost: 130,860 ISK Same Shields as the C/1 but only 487 Armour, made up for by a much better rep rate. Shield Recharge is over 100 per second (112.70 in be exact) Anyone got ideas for improvements? Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4854	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:15:00 - [118] - Quote Previous Heat Buildup per Second: Militia HMG: 23.5 Standard HMG: 16 Advanced HMG: 15.2 Prototype HMG: 14.4 Officer HMG: 12.8 My Proposed Heath Buildup per Second: Militia HMG: 26 Standard HMG: 20 Advanced HMG: 18 Prototype HMG: 16 Officer HMG: 14 CCP Rattati wrote: So we are aiming for redoing the "lost" balance hotfix next Tuesday. Here are additional tweaks we are proposing to add to that hotfix. Please comment. HMG-Sentinel is simply too dominant across all game modes. The best way to allow other Frames to combat them is to get them when they are down. I believe Heat is the best way to manage this situation. Good Sentinels will manage their heat well and not be bothered by this change. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2378540#post2378540 Militia HMG23.5~~25.0~~buff; new 22.8 Standard HMG18~~20.0~~nerf; new 19 Advanced HMG17.1~~19.0~~nerf; 18.1 Prototype HMG16.2~~18.0~~nerf; 17.1 Officer HMG15.3~~17.0~~nerf; 16.2 And before someone flames me for suggesting this, if Rattati felt a nerf to HMG was necessary wouldnGÇÖt you guys rather this than some of the alternatives? Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 131	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:37:00 - [119] - Quote Looks like a minor change. Shouldn't make too much difference to a good Sentinel but will catch the rest out. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 133	Posted - 2014.11.22 22:37:00 - [120] - Quote Here's something that bothers me and has been bothering me for a while; If Sentinels had a PG and CPU nerf because it was too easy to run all Proto on their suits, with said nerf meaning that we can't run full Proto, then why can every other Drop Suit run full Proto but Sentinels (and Heavies in general) cannot? Because I see regularly Scouts and Assaults seemingly running full Proto (Proto Suit, Proto weapons, Proto Grenades and I can only assume Proto Modules.) Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but sometimes (actually damn near all the time) it feels like CCP wants to push Sentinels out of the game. Purifier. First Class.

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5346	Posted - 2014.12.05 13:41:00 - [121] - Quote The Burst HMG, and informal users manual I use it regularly. It is not easy, but it is very effective when you are in the grove and using it properly. Try to limit yourself to 3 bursts unless you are going for the kill. Because if you try for 3 bursts and are just a little slow taking your finger off the trigger, then it will fire 4 bursts, which is fine. However, if you try to fire 4 bursts, and are a bit slow releasing the trigger, it will fire the 5th burst which will overheat your weapon (unless it runs out of ammo first). You want to avoid overheating, unless you are in a 1v1 situation and you are sure that last burst will kill your opponent. You need to engage one enemy at a time. The best way to take on groups is to use cover. Step out, shoot 3 to 4 bursts (hopefully get a kill if you are accurate) and step back behind cover. If they follow you behind cover immediately: Switch to your sidearm to engage the person chasing you and if you don't manage to kill them quickly switch back to your Burst HMG to finish them (it will have cooled off by this point). If they follow you behind cover after you have had a second to cool: Try to kill them in 2 or 3 bursts from your HMG, then switch to your sidearm if they are not dead yet. If they don't follow you behind cover: Reload and then repeat. If you overheat, waddle to cover and hope no one noticed the overheat animation. If they feel intimidated by your HMG it will often take them 4 or 5 seconds to get up the nerve to follow you, and by that time your overheat is over. Honestly I am amazed at how often I survive overheating in a fire fight. If you don't have grenades, due to fitting restrictions or simply because you used them already, use your sidearm to kill Uplinks. You don't want to waist your Burst HMG ammo, and you don't want to add unnecessary heat when out of combat in case you are attacked unexpectedly. This all sounds drastic, and it is, but the Burst HMG also does a massive amount of damage. If you make those bursts count you can often kill people in two bursts, especially if you get a head shot. Even a well tanked medium frame suit will usually die to 3 bursts. The nerf to the HMG heat buildup took it right to the edge, but did not break it. It is still a fine weapon. It is just VERY hard to use and VERY unforgiving. But when used right, it is still the most deadly automatic weapon in the game. If I am tired or not on my game, I will switch out to the base model HMG as it is so much more forgiving. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 138	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:27:00 - [122] - Quote As usual, a fine guide. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 145	Posted - 2014.12.14 23:48:00 - [123] - Quote Recently tried out a pure rep Gal Proto for remarkable and surprising, results. Broke off from the squad to hold a supply depot and hunt Uplinks on the new map's Domination (the one where A is in the large underground hanger) and was able to survive about 7 or 8 encounters in the space of a couple of minutes thanks to the 32HP/s rep rate and the double Complex modded Boundless HMG's firepower. With the lack of Logi's lately I'd taking to using a Complex Repair in place of a Plate but never more than 1. Except on my cheap Gal, where I run 2 because they're both Militia. I'm considering dropping the damage mods for a Complex Extender and either a Energizer or Recharger at Complex level. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness 163	Posted - 2014.12.26 01:23:00 - [124] - Quote Fox, can I get your input on this Proto Sentinel? Gallente gk.0 Boundless/Six Kin Burst HMG Breach SMG Flux Grenade 3x Complex Armour Reps Enhanced Shield Energizer Complex Shield Recharger Trying to go for max regen without sacrificing too much HP. That can I can't fit a pair of Complex Rechargers, let alone Energizers. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5605	Posted - 2014.12.26 22:34:00 - [125] - Quote Megaman, I tried a fit like this with the Amarr Sentinel before the Gal and Amarr Sent slots were switched. I feel it is a solid fit, but I ended up replacing one of the 3 reps with a plate, mostly personal preference really. My armor was repairing faster than my shields with 3x Proto Repers. More recently I have also gone with a Kin Cat, a Plate, and a Proto Rep in the lows. I tend to try to operate in shields mostly and try not to let my armor get too low, so I donGÇÖt have to wait around for armor reps. However with the Gallente rep bonus and 3x Proto Reps you can heal through some damage, such as someone firing at you from their max range as you cross a field. Normally armor repair is for recovery between battles, but if you have enough rep it can start to effect your EHP during the fight too. I would be interested to hear how many HP per second you get on that fit. If you can reduce their DPS enough through use of cover and strafing, it will make even more of a difference. However, without Plate you will be susceptible to Alpha damage, including getting one-shotted by Nova Knives. My BPO fit which uses militia modules on a standard Amarr Sent has 3x reps. I like to use an Energizer in the Highs. I might replace the regulator with an Extender, but I suggest you experiment to see what you are comfortable with. Overall, your fit is totally valid, and any changes would be for personal preference and play stay. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness 165	Posted - 2014.12.27 00:35:00 - [126] - Quote Thanks for the feedback. I'll try swapping out a Rep for a Plate and see how it goes, but even a triple plate fit gets 1-shot by Proto Knives if both slashes land. Regulators are low slot, so using one would replace the Armour Rep or Plate. While the Depleted Delay is low in the Cal suits, and combined with the high rep rate can make them hard to deal with and great for hit and run, the normal delay is too long for me. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5607	Posted - 2014.12.27 01:02:00 - [127] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Thanks for the feedback. I'll try swapping out a Rep for a Plate and see how it goes, but even a triple plate fit gets 1-shot by Proto Knives if both slashes land. Regulators are low slot, so using one would replace the Armour Rep or Plate. While the Depleted Delay is low in the Cal suits, and combined with the high rep rate can make them hard to deal with and great for hit and run, the normal delay is too long for me. Regulators was a typo. I meant for you to try replacing the Recharger with an Extender. (Just what I would do. You might like the Recharger better.) I would say try it for a while with the triple rep before you try it with a plate. My point was that I ended up preferring a hybrid fit. My current fit has Speed, Rep, and Plate. But going full out on just one of those has definite advantages and if you can make it work with your play style, has the potential to be quite effective. Recently I have been running a Min Sent with 2 Kin Cats, relying on the suit's native recharge. Now that is a dam fun fit, but definitely lacks survivability and recovery. On the Caldari suit I normally still put a Rep or Reactive Plate in the low, but now that it has a native armor repair, putting a Regulator in the low is valid if the delay bothers you. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness 165	Posted - 2014.12.27 01:23:00 - [128] - Quote I've got Extenders on my EHP tank fit (2x Extenders, 3x plates) and they work for that role. I'll have to try to find a balance between Hp and Rep. I have an advanced fit that's 2x Rep with 1 Plate and a Damage Mod and it works fairly well. But, as always, fits are situational. Min Sentinels can be a pain to deal with, tho nowhere near as bad as stacked KinCat Min Assaults Is there any point in specing into the dampening etc skills? Purifier. First Class.
Artificer Ghost Legio DXIV 1396	Posted - 2014.12.28 09:25:00 - [129] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Is there any point in specing into the dampening etc skills? In my opinion, YES. Remember: You may be a dedicated Heavy, but those skills apply to ALL suits. On a Heavy, your scan precision is nerfed hard. Bumping it back up with the skill is pretty useful. Range obviously make more use of Scan Precision. As for Scan Profile, as a Heavy, you won't really need it, but let me just say that there is BOUND to be a Scanner out there that won't pick you up, and a sneaky Heavy is a deadly Heavy. :P This is all coming from a dedicated Scout, of course, so I find that it's best to live and die by scanning skills. HINT: Vehicle Scanners, you know, the same vehicles that have no trouble at all murdering you? Have absolutely HORRIBLE scans. No matter what you're running (I'm pretty sure), if you have a maxed out Profile Dampening skill, a Vehicle Scanner won't pick you up. ~Artificer, Certified Scrub, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition 'Oh, look at that! -knife- Morons! My favorite! :D'
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness 165	Posted - 2014.12.28 13:32:00 - [130] - Quote Thanks for the input. I currently have 2 in Dampeners and 1 in both Precision and Range. I never really saw the point in the skills for Sentinels, given the suits easily detected profile and the low precision. Purifier. First Class.

Artificer Ghost Legio DXIV 1398	Posted - 2014.12.28 15:03:00 - [131] - Quote Good job on doing the math. \o/ I had no idea what the number was on the Scanners, I just knew that every time a vehicle ran by me with lights flashing, I avoided the scan. I thought I remembered this happening in a C-Sentinel, but I must've been wrong. ~Artificer, Certified Scrub, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition 'Oh, look at that! -knife- Morons! My favorite! :D'
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness 166	Posted - 2014.12.28 15:40:00 - [132] - Quote I'm gonna have to test a 'stealth' fit and see what happens. Won't do so well in a head to head fight, not with base HP and only base reps, but should be able to get the drop on at least a few suits. No point in using a Proto suit for this so I'll use a G/1, 3 Dampeners of the highest level I have (which is currently Advanced now my Dampening is lvl 3) and then go from there. If I actually get a "Scan Attempted Prevented" message I'll end up biomassing from laughing so hard. Did a quick test on Protofits and a Sentinel ak.0 with maxed skills can get a profile of about 22. That's the absolute lowest a Sentinel could get and requires 4 Complex Dampeners. Only scanner that could pick that up would be the Duvolle Focused Scanner. No other Proto Scanner, even on a Gal Logi with the maxed skill, would pick it up. Not sure about any passive scans from Caldari Scouts. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5612	Posted - 2014.12.28 17:37:00 - [133] - Quote I know of two other E-War Sentinels. Unfortunately I donGÇÖt remember their names, but they claim that it can give you an advantage. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness 166	Posted - 2014.12.28 17:48:00 - [134] - Quote Would certainly make a change from the common logi-train most Sentinels run. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness 167	Posted - 2015.01.02 01:21:00 - [135] - Quote Went to ProtoFit to get more accurate numbers. Edited posts to reflect this. This gonna test this for lulz Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 189	Posted - 2015.01.11 14:41:00 - [136] - Quote Hey Fox, did you know there's a glitch that lets you cancel part of the HMG's reload animation but not cancel the actual reload itself? Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5794	Posted - 2015.01.11 16:25:00 - [137] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Hey Fox, did you know there's a glitch that lets you cancel part of the HMG's reload animation but not cancel the actual reload itself? I was aware. I think the reloading part has to be complete before it work. I have not timed it to determine how long the reload takes if you begin to sprint once the new magazine has been put in. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 189	Posted - 2015.01.11 16:37:00 - [138] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: Hey Fox, did you know there's a glitch that lets you cancel part of the HMG's reload animation but not cancel the actual reload itself? I was aware. I think the reloading part has to be complete before it work. I have not timed it to determine how long the reload takes if you begin to sprint once the new magazine has been put in. Overall it takes about 4 seconds to reload from start of reload to glitch-finish. So that saves about 2 seconds on the reload. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 203	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:23:00 - [139] - Quote Figure someone better make a post before this gets locked. Got my Complex Regulators a little while back, which make a Caldari Sentinel a real pain to take down. My Proto fit for that is; Sentinel ck.0 Boundless HMG KLO-1 Scrambler Pistol Flux Grenade Complex Shield Regulator 3x Complex Shield Rechargers Enhanced Shield Energizer Shield regens at 105.43HP/s with 630HP shields and 487 HP armour. Recharge Delay is an easily manageable 2.46sec while the Depleted Delay is 0.62sec. It's more fun than running a Logi repped Armour Tank, tho not as effective in enclosed spaces. The downsides are, obviously, the lack of HP compared to tanked suits and the miniscule native rep of 1HP/s. So it's mostly hit and run tactics or in and out of cover to fight. Low rep can be overlooked if there's a Logi or RepHive around. Could push it higher (maxes out at 149.46HP/s with 4 Complex Energizers) but at reduced shield HP (I'd lose 118HP), reduced Regulator and a drop in the rest of my fitting's weapons. Also got my Dampeners and Precision Enhancers to Complex, working on the Range Enhancers now. Haven't been able to test the stealth fit effectively but the boost to my base Passive scan lets me see Sentinels and Assaults now! Holy crap, I've been missing out! Purifier. First Class.
danthrax martin Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 282	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:44:00 - [140] - Quote I've been surprised by the cal sent and have been using it a lot lately. I've set it up for max shield reps. Being very aggressive but making use of cover keeps me at full shields most of the time. The resistances are cool since a majority of people seem to be set up for taking down armor heavies. But if the oposition has a logi then cover is king. Pro Gal 'mando, Assault, Scout, Pro Sentinel ak.0 Suicidal A/V Moron General pain in the @ss

Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 203	Posted - 2015.01.28 03:13:00 - [141] - Quote What do you use in your low slot? I used to run a Armour Plate, followed by trying an Armour Rep and then switched to a Reactive Plate for a slight boost to both reps and armour. I still use the Ractive on my AV fits. Now I use a Regulator and love the quick kick-in time, tho I does make me Logi reliant. Purifier. First Class.
danthrax martin Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 283	Posted - 2015.01.28 11:12:00 - [142] - Quote when not in squad I try not to stray too far from the pack. I'm using complex regulator in my low. If I stay with the pack, my resistances usually leave me standing when other heavies go down = logis with reps. Pro Gal 'mando, Assault, Scout, Pro Sentinel ak.0 Suicidal A/V Moron General pain in the @ss
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 203	Posted - 2015.01.28 12:34:00 - [143] - Quote I've found that a partial flux screws the Cal Sentinel over more than a full one, since the recharge delay is a lot higher than the deleted delay. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 216	Posted - 2015.02.04 21:46:00 - [144] - Quote Don't know about everyone else but I'm getting tired of only having two Heavy weapons. People complain about HMG Sentinels dominating CQC. It#s not like we have a lot of choices. What's the optimal on the Assault HMG? Purifier. First Class.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 21714	Posted - 2015.02.04 23:38:00 - [145] - Quote It's not much further than the normal HMG. I know it's less than 10m difference and I think the main difference is actually in the dispersion. :Bittervetting intensifies:
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 216	Posted - 2015.02.04 23:48:00 - [146] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It's not much further than the normal HMG. I know it's less than 10m difference and I think the main difference is actually in the dispersion. I managed to find some numbers, not sure how recent they are; Standard HMG - 35m optimal Assault HMG - 49m optimal The Assault has tighter fire, meaning it can actually hit at it's optimal right? Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5989	Posted - 2015.02.21 20:57:00 - [147] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It's not much further than the normal HMG. I know it's less than 10m difference and I think the main difference is actually in the dispersion. I managed to find some numbers, not sure how recent they are; Standard HMG - 35m optimal Assault HMG - 49m optimal The Assault has tighter fire, meaning it can actually hit at it's optimal right? You add in Dispersion and the in field Effective range is about the same as the on paper Optimal range, for both of them. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5989	Posted - 2015.02.21 21:05:00 - [148] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Fox, can I get your input on this Proto Sentinel? Gallente gk.0 Boundless/Six Kin Burst HMG Breach SMG Flux Grenade 3x Complex Armour Reps Enhanced Shield Energizer Complex Shield Recharger Trying to go for max regen without sacrificing too much HP. That and I can't fit a pair of Complex Rechargers, let alone Energizers. Also, is a Complex Regulator worth taking on a Proto Cal fit that has 100+hp/s shield regen? I finally started skilling into Gallente Sentinel. (Only level 3 currently.) Today I was running with the Advanced Sentinel version of your fit: 3x Complex Armor Reps Complex Shield Energizer Advanced Burst HMG + Flux & Sidearm Definitely viable if you play it right. Armor is Repping while you are ducked into cover waiting for the Burst HMG to cool down. I am still having more success with my double Kin Cat Min Sent fit, but that may be because I am not fully skilled in Gal Sent yet. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 230	Posted - 2015.02.22 00:27:00 - [149] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: Fox, can I get your input on this Proto Sentinel? Gallente gk.0 Boundless/Six Kin Burst HMG Breach SMG Flux Grenade 3x Complex Armour Reps Enhanced Shield Energizer Complex Shield Recharger Trying to go for max regen without sacrificing too much HP. That and I can't fit a pair of Complex Rechargers, let alone Energizers. Also, is a Complex Regulator worth taking on a Proto Cal fit that has 100+hp/s shield regen? I finally started skilling into Gallente Sentinel. (Only level 3 currently.) Today I was running with the Advanced Sentinel version of your fit: 3x Complex Armor Reps Complex Shield Energizer Advanced Burst HMG + Flux & Sidearm Definitely viable if you play it right. Armor is Repping while you are ducked into cover waiting for the Burst HMG to cool down. I am still having more success with my double Kin Cat Min Sent fit, but that may be because I am not fully skilled in Gal Sent yet. Glad to hear you were having some good runs with that Gal fit. That 32hp/s armour repair has saved my clone quite a few times, although the Shield Delays are a pain. Tried swapping a Rep for a Regulator but haven't really gotten to test it. Purifier. First Class.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 714	Posted - 2015.03.03 05:29:00 - [150] - Quote It always trips me out when you rezz threads (although to be fair, this thread often deserves rezzing) with new names. It's like....woah...deja vu! Have a bump

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6067	Posted - 2015.03.04 18:46:00 - [151] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: HMG dps and range will be toned down, burst hmg will keep current range, assault hmg will be a longer range autocannon with anti-vehicle capability. Link Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 234	Posted - 2015.03.05 00:31:00 - [152] - Quote How bad is this nerf gonna be? It's not like we've got anything else to use, so this is worrying me. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6069	Posted - 2015.03.05 13:34:00 - [153] - Quote I am thinking it will be like this: HMG: Specialized for Urban warfare, excelling in CQC. Great for point defense in Urban settings. Burst HMG: Close to Mid range, tricky to use, but very effective in 1v1 encounters, and more versatile range wise. Even with a bit of a Damage nerf it will be quite effective. I don't think too much will be done to it, as it is not excessively popular right now. (It is not an armature friendly weapon.) Assault HMG: Finally a Heavy Weapon for more open maps, and apparently it uses armor penetrating bullets as it is more effective against vehicles. I am just wondering how they are going to turn the Assault HMG into an Autocannon without making it OP? I suppose if they left the damage as is, reduced dispersion, gave it a little more range, and changed the damage percentage against vehicles, that might work. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6069	Posted - 2015.03.05 13:58:00 - [154] - Quote Actually the Hot Fix Echo Narrative seems to suggest the Burst will get a range reduction too. Quote: Heavy Machine Guns Always a touchy subject, but by deep diving we see that the normal HMG is completely prevalent in Planetary Conquest, has a K/S ratio above what it acceptable, and renders short range rifles such as the Gallente Assault Rifle moot, something needed to be done. So we are reducing range on the HMG and Burst while keeping the the Assault HMG the highest range. We will also be reducing the ROF and increasing the damage on the Assault HMG, to make it a sort of an auto-cannon (with 75% efficiency against vehicles), that is able to interrupt shield recharge on LAVs, which is in turn being reduced from 102 to 40. Of course if they reduce range on the HMG by 10m, it will only mean that the range on paper will actually match the range we already have in the field due to dispersion... Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 234	Posted - 2015.03.05 16:21:00 - [155] - Quote After this, they really need to give us more heavy weapons. There needs to be more shield-based AV, which 2 would be, and more AI options beyond HMG or grabbing a light weapon. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6070	Posted - 2015.03.06 19:51:00 - [156] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: After this, they really need to give us more heavy weapons. There needs to be more shield-based AV, which 2 would be, and more AI options beyond HMG or grabbing a light weapon. There is talk of removing the Shield/Armour profiles from AV weapons, as in making weapons do equal damage to Shields and Armor. There is also talk of increasing the vehicle damage of Mass Drivers, Flaylock Pistols, and Laser Rifles. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 234	Posted - 2015.03.06 21:43:00 - [157] - Quote What about the Proficiency skill? Will that be like with knives? Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6071	Posted - 2015.03.09 17:52:00 - [158] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: What about the Proficiency skill? Will that be like with knives? A good question. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 236	Posted - 2015.03.09 18:24:00 - [159] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: What about the Proficiency skill? Will that be like with knives? A good question. If it is, then 1 damage mod + lvl 5 Proficiency +WB bonus = +25% damage. AV may need balancing. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 241	Posted - 2015.03.12 12:40:00 - [160] - Quote Anyone tested the HMG following Echo? Am I the only one who thinks the BPO we got for the 5MCC is really benificial to Sentinels but not so much to other roles? Purifier. First Class.

Kaze Eyrou DUST University Ivy League 2072	Posted - 2015.03.12 14:54:00 - [161] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Anyone tested the HMG following Echo? Am I the only one who thinks the BPO we got for the 5MCC is really benificial to Sentinels but not so much to other roles? I think it could be beneficial to the Assault class as well, but Sentinels can really benefit from the all-around bonus that BPO gives. CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou Kaze's Helpful Links
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2314	Posted - 2015.03.12 15:07:00 - [162] - Quote Did a bit of testing with the assault HMG, its damage is really good and it's pretty ammo efficient, (I'd rename it 'breach' hmg) but it has a bit much dispersion to actually be used at its ~60m range. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 244	Posted - 2015.03.12 15:08:00 - [163] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: Anyone tested the HMG following Echo? Am I the only one who thinks the BPO we got for the 5MCC is really benificial to Sentinels but not so much to other roles? I think it could be beneficial to the Assault class as well, but Sentinels can really benefit from the all-around bonus that BPO gives. I can see it being helpful to AV assault fits. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 244	Posted - 2015.03.12 15:11:00 - [164] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Did a bit of testing with the assault HMG, its damage is really good and it's pretty ammo efficient, (I'd rename it 'breach' hmg) but it has a bit much dispersion to actually be used at its ~60m range. How about 50m? Purifier. First Class.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2324	Posted - 2015.03.12 18:54:00 - [165] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Did a bit of testing with the assault HMG, its damage is really good and it's pretty ammo efficient, (I'd rename it 'breach' hmg) but it has a bit much dispersion to actually be used at its ~60m range. How about 50m? Hardly accurate at 30m, If it was more accurate it might be op. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 244	Posted - 2015.03.12 19:21:00 - [166] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Did a bit of testing with the assault HMG, its damage is really good and it's pretty ammo efficient, (I'd rename it 'breach' hmg) but it has a bit much dispersion to actually be used at its ~60m range. How about 50m? Hardly accurate at 30m, If it was more accurate it might be op. But it stll can't hit at it's intended/stated range, right? Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6080	Posted - 2015.03.13 12:36:00 - [167] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Anyone tested the HMG following Echo? Am I the only one who thinks the BPO we got for the 5MCC is really benificial to Sentinels but not so much to other roles? An Advanced Heavy Damage mod which also gives +4% damage to your sidearm? Hell yes, it is good for Sentinels! Just remember to switch to your sidearm before you overheat, so you can make full use of the new BPO. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6080	Posted - 2015.03.13 12:42:00 - [168] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Did a bit of testing with the assault HMG, its damage is really good and it's pretty ammo efficient, (I'd rename it 'breach' hmg) but it has a bit much dispersion to actually be used at its ~60m range. I am with you on the name change. It feels like a Breach weapon. The gun sounds awesome now! I would still like to see a reduction to dispersion. I have not had a chance to use it against a vehicle yet. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6080	Posted - 2015.03.13 12:46:00 - [169] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Did a bit of testing with the assault HMG, its damage is really good and it's pretty ammo efficient, (I'd rename it 'breach' hmg) but it has a bit much dispersion to actually be used at its ~60m range. How about 50m? Hardly accurate at 30m, If it was more accurate it might be op. But it stll can't hit at it's intended/stated range, right? It needed reduced dispersion before. It still needs reduced dispersion. We need an HMG for open maps. It does not do enough damage in CQC to be OP. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 253	Posted - 2015.03.17 22:34:00 - [170] - Quote After uaing the assault HMG, I can see why you say its acutally a breach. Works nothing like an assault weapon. And yeah, dispersion needs a fix asap to make it viable at range. Purifier. First Class.

Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 253	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:26:00 - [171] - Quote Guess this 'balance' worked because I see less Sentinels out there now. Hell, even I'm running the HMG less now; been running the Forge and and SMG more instead. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6140	Posted - 2015.04.01 12:42:00 - [172] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Guess this 'balance' worked because I see less Sentinels out there now. Hell, even I'm running the HMG less now; been running the Forge and and SMG more instead. I think I would be ok with the HMG nerf if I was able to use the Assault HMG in more open areas, but without a dispersion reduction it is just an awesome sounding weapon that can't apply damage. (Like a chain saw without a chain.) The reduction to rate of fire actually made the weapon worse than it was before. Slow rate of fire and high dispersion do not go together well. It results in kills being based on random chance. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 254	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:09:00 - [173] - Quote Dispersion definitely needs fixing. Like yesterday. And a rename to Breach HMG, so it' makes sense. The base HMG can be the actual Assault variant (high ROF, low damage per shot, short range) Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6151	Posted - 2015.04.02 12:32:00 - [174] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Dispersion definitely needs fixing. Like yesterday. And a rename to Breach HMG, so it' makes sense. The base HMG can be the actual Assault variant (high ROF, low damage per shot, short range) Your suggestion makes sense to me. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 255	Posted - 2015.04.02 23:59:00 - [175] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: Dispersion definitely needs fixing. Like yesterday. And a rename to Breach HMG, so it' makes sense. The base HMG can be the actual Assault variant (high ROF, low damage per shot, short range) Your suggestion makes sense to me. Something I said makes sense? The world is ending! What's next? Megaman Legends 3 revival? Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 255	Posted - 2015.04.08 12:14:00 - [176] - Quote Anyone else feel like the HMG is struggling now? Got in a firefight vs a Min Assault last night and could barely get through his un-modded shields with a basic HMG, nearly overheating it. Sadly he rocket jumped to safety as soon as I breached his shields. The "Assault" HMG feels unusable right now. Even at close range, it couldn't hit the broadside of an MCC with its dispersion. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6175	Posted - 2015.04.08 12:41:00 - [177] - Quote I am hoping they fix the Assault HMG soon, but in the mean time I am running a Heavy Shotgun Scout. Min Advanced Sentinel 1x Complex Myofibril Stimulant. 2x Complex Kinetic Catalyzers Burst HMG SMG Getting a lot of SMG kills as I switch to the SMG for anything over 25m way, as well as switching after the third burst in prolonged or multi target fights. The Myofibril Stimulant is mainly to assist in movement over rough terrain that a Sentinel would otherwise struggle with. I have a Complex Energizer in the other high slot, but did not list it above as it is a personal preference item. You could go with a second Myofibril, add some more buffer with a Shield extender, or even equip the +4 Damage BPO that benefits both your HMG and SMG. The main point of the fit is to be harder to hit when you are on the move, cross open ground quickly, and get into close range before engaging. If I see a medium frame 40m away in the middle of a field and looking the other way I will sprint over half way to him before I open fire, and then sprint back to cover when he is dead. When using a short range weapon you either need speed, or you need to stay in-doors, and there are a lot of maps where staying indoors is not an option. Until we have a viable mid range weapon, our options are limited. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 255	Posted - 2015.04.08 15:29:00 - [178] - Quote Nice fit. I'll be sure to watch my back. I've been using the Forge more than the HMG lately. Been able to hit sprinting Assaults and Sentinels at 130m. I really should use the HMG more, but it feels like it gets out performed by light weapons now. Purifier. First Class.
Medical Crash Engineers Unlimited 398	Posted - 2015.04.18 21:17:00 - [179] - Quote Hi, I've got a lot of new- low SP players in my corp right now, and I'm trying to train some of them to be a heavy. Are there any good experienced heavies still checking out this thread? Can you give me some advice? What armor modules are you using, regular, Ferroscale, or Reactives? What HMG is the best for beginners? I want my guys to be able to hold chokepoints in city maps with their logis. I have the logi tips covered, but not the heavy. Thanks for the help/ My YouTube Channel
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 284	Posted - 2015.04.18 21:32:00 - [180] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Hi, I've got a lot of new- low SP players in my corp right now, and I'm trying to train some of them to be a heavy. Are there any good experienced heavies still checking out this thread? Can you give me some advice? Not sure about good, but I think i qualify as experienced. Quote: What armor modules are you using, regular, Ferroscale, or Reactives? I use regular plates on my Gal Sentinel but I have at least 1 Rep module in case I lose my Logi or I have to go solo for any reason. Regular would be best with Amarr too. Min Sentinels probably benefit from Ferroscale paired with Kin Cats for mobility. They might be able to use full plates with a Logi supporting. As for Caldari Sentinels, I use a Shield Regulator in my low and don't bother with the plate, with the high slot being a mix of Rechargers and Energizers, so the shield recharges insanely fast (around 110hp/s) and just use the logi to top up the armour if needed. Quote: What HMG is the best for beginners? Probably the regular type for beginners. Assault has a lot of dispersion at range while the Burst takes a bit of getting used to and can be overheated easily of you're not paying attention or accidentally fire one burst too many. Quote: I want my guys to be able to hold chokepoints in city maps with their logis. I have the logi tips covered, but not the heavy. Thanks for the help/ If pairing with a Logi, then Gal and Amarr Sentinels are your best choice for the high armour HP and resistances (Projectile, Rail and Explosives) Purifier. First Class.

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6336	Posted - 2015.04.20 13:03:00 - [181] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Hi, I've got a lot of new- low SP players in my corp right now, and I'm trying to train some of them to be a heavy. Are there any good experienced heavies still checking out this thread? Can you give me some advice? What armor modules are you using, regular, Ferroscale, or Reactives? What HMG is the best for beginners? I want my guys to be able to hold chokepoints in city maps with their logis. I have the logi tips covered, but not the heavy. Thanks for the help/ Megaman's advice is good. I would recommend Amarr Sent with 1 Rep and regular Plates for the rest of the lows, if they are running with logi. When solo they should run 2 Proto Rep (or 3 mil/std reps) and if there is room, 1 regular Plate. Gal Sent might be just as good, but I only just skilled into it, and have not tested fits on it very much yet. Mega knows it better than I. The regular HMG is the easiest one to start with, but tell them to switch to an SMG for anything over 20m. The Burst is very effective if they can aim well, but it is also very tricky. To learn it quickly they need to follow this rule: 3 Bursts, switch to Sidearm. After about 5 seconds they can switch back for another 3 bursts. If you use a Burst HMG right you get a lot of sidearm kills. (If you try for 4 bursts before switching to sidearm you will often get the accidental 5th burst and overheat.) If they have logi support and are trying to hold choke points I would definitely recommend the HMG over the Burst HMG. The Burst is for targeted quick kills. It can't sustain fire. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6336	Posted - 2015.04.21 16:48:00 - [182] - Quote The Scout community has the Barbershop thread. Now the Logi community has the Triage Ward thread. If I was to create a Sentinel community thread, what should I call it? Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 983	Posted - 2015.04.21 19:51:00 - [183] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: The Scout community has the Barbershop thread. Now the Logi community has the Triage Ward thread. If I was to create a Sentinel community thread, what should I call it? Big and Tall Surplus Store. I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 285	Posted - 2015.04.21 23:06:00 - [184] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: The Scout community has the Barbershop thread. Now the Logi community has the Triage Ward thread. If I was to create a Sentinel community thread, what should I call it? Bastion Primus Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6352	Posted - 2015.04.22 13:10:00 - [185] - Quote Although I gave serious consideration to The Big and Tall Shop, I decided to call our Sentinel thread The Bastion. It seemed like it would be a good name for a bar were Sentinels might hang out. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Victor889 WarRavens 249	Posted - 2015.05.27 23:03:00 - [186] - Quote Scan profile of 50 doesn't help moving unseen...
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 343	Posted - 2015.05.27 23:09:00 - [187] - Quote Victor889 wrote: Scan profile of 50 doesn't help moving unseen... Precision is even worse. We're blind and carrying a neon 'kick me' sign. Purifier. First Class.


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