The gradual changes thing is a big thing I keep trying to emphasize.

If CCP would just give Swarm launchers back their Lock Range and keep the damage nerf they have implemented.

It would fix a lot of the problems with 'Red line ' tanks, Un-droppable Drop ships.

Not Enough damage for one person to kill them but enough range to be peskey to them and make them have to use their Skills to out maneuver them to a safer, ( note I said "SAFER" ) not SAFE zone to regroup.

It would also give them a chance to use those new skills/mods that most find OP. j/k.

It might also settle down some of the complaints about Militia type tanks and dropships being to cheap and ever body being a 'pro' with them and them having no skills to back it up.

The 'Cheaper' models of those vehicles would be at the Most disadvantage of increased range of the old lock range on the swarms.

Just a thought.

You may now release the hounds with flame throwers on this idea.

175 meters is a long enough range, ever tried shooting a rail rifle past 150? That's some huge frickin distance.

Past 200m they don't even render, so stop wishing for gamebreaking things.

Dropships can still be destroyed. It takes a more powerful weapon than a swarm to bring down a proto fit assault dropship. And why should it? Its cost compared to a proto fit assault dropship is nothing, should a weapon like that really be able to destroy a well fit and skilled dropship.

Dropships can still be destroyed. It takes a more powerful weapon than a swarm to bring down a proto fit assault dropship. And why should it? Its cost compared to a proto fit assault dropship is nothing, should a weapon like that really be able to destroy a well fit and skilled dropship.
I could understand increasing the damage slightly, but the range should remain the same. Now here me out, the old swarms could Cover most if not all of the map depending on the map. The new swarm lock range Makes it so that one man cannot lock down the map.

I know you think that pilots should be able to skillfully avoid or out maneuver swarms, the simply fact is swarms will turn straight 90 degree angles to hit the target. Unless the dropship is fit with afterburners and manages to speed away in time. There is no skill or fun in that situation.

You should have to keep a continuous lock on the target until the missles impact or they fly off into space, Then you can have your range and damage back.

Dont lie it was a militia DS with a milita turret

But i could survive and you couldnt

Are there any commandos that use the swarm launcher? Having 20% reload speed over 10% reload speed should help you down a vehicle.

I am good

I dont get killed by milita dropships like you do

Im a swarm guy and i personally think swarm shouldnt go back to how it was in1.6. But it should get a LITTLE buff, not too much and not too little. Like 50more damage or somewhere around there, the range should increase a little,but not too much.

You should have to keep a continuous lock on the target until the missles impact or they fly off into space, Then you can have your range and damage back.

Why are people having so much trouble with the new swarm launcher? I mostly use my Adv. swarm fit and still have no problem taking out tanks, you just have to learn when to attack and team up with a forge gunner. I'm just glad that now swarm launcher users can't solo tanks cause before that was ridiculous lol.

Right... cus ONE guy in a tank, with same isk/sp investment as ONE guy with a swarm, should be so much more powerful

He's in a -->tank<-- he should have more fire power over me with one swarm launcher. Since when did rocket launchers make more of a bang than a tank cannon?? I couldn't give two ***** about sp investment balance thats not how you balance things. Numbers don't balance things its how they perform in the field and how well they do out in the field that should be the deciding factor of a balance.

A javelin will f'up a tank real quick. It can reach up to 2500 yds in a couple of seconds. U tellin me in the future we have gone backwards in weapon technology. Im not askin for a OHK swarm but at least give the guys who put the SP investment into SL a chance.

Dude we must have gone backwards, in the future apparently they cant jump anymore because my clone cant clear a 2 inch high barrier !

A javelin will f'up a tank real quick. It can reach up to 2500 yds in a couple of seconds. U tellin me in the future we have gone backwards in weapon technology. Im not askin for a OHK swarm but at least give the guys who put the SP investment into SL a chance.

I still say:

Buff missile damage by 30 = 250 damage per missile (down from 330 in 1.6)
Buff range by 25m = 200m range (down from 400 in 1.6)

These small buffs would get the Swarm Launcher a lot closer to being balanced. After seeing the how that plays out we can determine if they need to be buffed any further.

If CCP would just give Swarm launchers back their Lock Range and keep the damage nerf they have implemented.

It would fix a lot of the problems with 'Red line ' tanks, Un-droppable Drop ships.

Not Enough damage for one person to kill them but enough range to be peskey to them and make them have to use their Skills to out maneuver them to a safer, ( note I said "SAFER" ) not SAFE zone to regroup.

It would also give them a chance to use those new skills/mods that most find OP. j/k.

It might also settle down some of the complaints about Militia type tanks and dropships being to cheap and ever body being a 'pro' with them and them having no skills to back it up.

The 'Cheaper' models of those vehicles would be at the Most disadvantage of increased range of the old lock range on the swarms.

Just a thought.

You may now release the hounds with flame throwers on this idea.

I like the range idea but the damage should be brought all the way back and I'd like too see then swarms fly faster.

If CCP would just give Swarm launchers back their Lock Range and keep the damage nerf they have implemented.

It would fix a lot of the problems with 'Red line ' tanks, Un-droppable Drop ships.

Not Enough damage for one person to kill them but enough range to be peskey to them and make them have to use their Skills to out maneuver them to a safer, ( note I said "SAFER" ) not SAFE zone to regroup.

It would also give them a chance to use those new skills/mods that most find OP. j/k.

It might also settle down some of the complaints about Militia type tanks and dropships being to cheap and ever body being a 'pro' with them and them having no skills to back it up.

The 'Cheaper' models of those vehicles would be at the Most disadvantage of increased range of the old lock range on the swarms.

Just a thought.

You may now release the hounds with flame throwers on this idea.

He's in a -->tank<-- he should have more fire power over me with one swarm launcher. Since when did rocket launchers make more of a bang than a tank cannon?? I couldn't give two ***** about sp investment balance thats not how you balance things. Numbers don't balance things its how they perform in the field and how well they do out in the field that should be the deciding factor of a balance.