Thank you, Saberwing!!!! :D <3333

I wonder if tanks feel too strong because tanks got a buff, price cut, and every form of AV got nerfed. Seriously how didn't see this coming CCP

Inb4 all AV weapons 3 shot 2m isk tanks again.

i have no idea. Tanks, honestly, weren't THAT underpowered. I would've been happy with just one of those.

they are just touching the CPU& PG of stuff.... so yea, im just gonna sit back LOL this one all the way to the bank.

redline rail tanks still OP.

redlines stupid. Dust stupid till redlines removed. game bad

hey i have pitched that idea for well since the first thread i read about it.
but hey they did make the time to tutorial... but they toke nothing from my post other then it needs to be fixed, with more long worded book reading, the whole point i was telling them not to do.

I wonder if tanks feel too strong because tanks got a buff, price cut, and every form of AV got nerfed? Seriously how didn't see this coming CCP

Inb4 all AV weapons 3 shot 2m isk tanks again.

Band-aid.

Again? My worst tank could handle 4-5 shots from AV weapons.

Troll much?

So in order to be even more ridiculously OP you now need to invest 334,880 sp instead of 0?

Yes for 334,880 SP you can have any HAV, and nerfing the militia tanks will do absolutely nothing.

In the freaking op they say that mlt tanks are getting nerfed on top of an av buff or general tank nerf.

Reading comprehension.

In 1.7 when you started "tanking" sure.

2 forges and a lai dai. Two Lai dais and a swarm. Four lai dais. Three forges.

Any of those meant you lost 1.2 to 2.5m.

Unless youre speaking of madrugars which took 5 hits to kill because of bugged 3x repairs that were in the game for a YEAR.

"TANKS feel too strong and AV is not enough to stop them."

That mentions tanks in general and av in general. You twit.

its worse than a band-aid, its ccp nerfing there own counter to the cluster ***** that tanks are. gg you guys are really clueless

They fix the problem
and then bring back the problem
try to fix it
bring it back and then they'll go back to how it was ._.

Now buy our AUR tank :D

2-3 forges should lolpwn any vehicle in existence.

Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades?

I have a question for you. Why were you getting close enough to infantry to allow the use of AV Grenades?

4 Lai Dais? You allowed somebody to drop a Nanohive right in-front of you? Why?

My worst tank was 485k btw, and I stated "tanking" well before Uprising 1.7.

What else ya got?

Can't wait to waffle stomp 2+ militia tanks at once again.

Jesus youre bad. It's a good thing you never actually play the game. 500k tank was full militia I believe? All my tanks were 1.2m and got annihilated from 300m to one guy on a roof hitting me 3 times. That was nonsense.

And it was just an example. All proto av killed a fully fitted tank in 3 or 4 hits. Unless it was armor. Then 4 or 5. You made claims then immediately abandon them for irrelevent attacks.

Which is really funny because you can't place top 5 in fw when most of the team is Baddies. :)

So funny when you send me mail complimenting me for dunking on the enemy team and i didnt even know you were in the battle.

That statement is false. Solo in several instances I unloaded four iFG shots (prof 4 and one complex damage mod) into the forward and/or top armor of Gunlogis at mid/close range and not kill them. In one Uprising Battle I got up on the monkey bars behind an armor tank near my redline. I pounded on him the entire time he retreated back to his own side, he even drove right under me. Thanks to my reload his reps provided him enough just enough health to reach cover in his redline.

The issues of tanking infantry AV has always been a muddy topic. If it was a new player idling or just caught in a bad situation my iFG always killed them with three shots. It it was a properly fit tank with an experienced TC then solo tanking my DPS was easy.

armor tanks had bugged 3x repairs. My experience with them is fairly limited.

Gunnlogis died to 3 hits from a iaf. Plain and simple.

And my gunnlogi with missiles instagibs your madrugar that's made to instance gib infantry.

It's a wonderful world.

That statement is false. Solo in several instances I unloaded four iFG shots (prof 4 and one complex damage mod) into the forward and/or top armor of Gunlogis at mid/close range and not kill them. In one Uprising Battle I got up on the monkey bars behind an armor tank near my redline. I pounded on him the entire time he retreated back to his own side, he even drove right under me. Thanks to my reload his reps provided him enough just enough health to reach cover in his redline.

The issues of tanking infantry AV has always been a muddy topic. If it was a new player idling or just caught in a bad situation my iFG always killed them with three shots. It it was a properly fit tank with an experienced TC then solo tanking my DPS was easy.

I usually shield tank unless I'm also popping tanks, in which case I love my rail Madrugar. Also, I have not lost 1v1 versus Missiles in forever. I see them a few times a day and they fail to break my shields every time on my AP Gunnlogi. Usually they flee and come back later or I pop them. My AP tank is made to be AP and be able to tank anything from one source. With all the tank spam, I die to 2v1s a lot, as well as being preempted and outlasted. Nothing like having 4 enemy tanks drop around your AP tank. When I go AV, I usually go rails. They pop everything with 100% accuracy over all ranges.

You would lose that fight to a fitted blaster madrugar but that's as it should be. There's vehicles and turrets for all situations. Not to mention an assault dropship can ruin your day if you don't have support.

It's awesome that everything has a role. Infantry are pissed about blaster turrets. That's it. It takes all kinds to make the game diverse.

All of you are so woefully clueless........ The problem is not the Tank, nor the Price, & nowhere near PG/CPU........... Modules were "Homogenized" & have been hit with a form of Tiericide. There is Zero Difference between MLT & Complex Modules in terms of DPS & Damage Mitigation. This is why MLT Tank Spam is the FOTM...... For Zero SP you can have a Tank with just as much Alpha & Constitution as STD. It's like having Dropsuit HP Modules give the same HP, just worse Fitting Requirements & a longer Recharge Delay/Speed Penalty. You are still just as "Brick Tanked" as a Complex, but at far less of a cost. The Revamp needs a Revamp......

That's bullshit. You weren't doing it right if you couldn't bring down a tank by yourself without reloading. I have been two-shotted by the proto breach forge while I was in my highest EHP fit with a heavy and light azeotropic shield extender and three stacked passive resistance amplifiers. And I can swear he wasn't on my ass because I backed up into my redline and over the ridge I was on. But his second shot hit me because he was on the god damn tower on Manus Peak!

armor tanks had bugged 3x repairs. My experience with them is fairly limited.

Gunnlogis died to 3 hits from a iaf. Plain and simple.

All of you are so woefully clueless........ The problem is not the Tank, nor the Price, & nowhere near PG/CPU........... Modules were "Homogenized" & have been hit with a form of Tiericide. There is Zero Difference between MLT & Complex Modules in terms of DPS & Damage Mitigation. This is why MLT Tank Spam is the FOTM...... For Zero SP you can have a Tank with just as much Alpha & Constitution as STD. It's like having Dropsuit HP Modules give the same HP, just worse Fitting Requirements & a longer Recharge Delay/Speed Penalty. You are still just as "Brick Tanked" as a Complex, but at far less of a cost. The Revamp needs a Revamp......

Jesus youre bad. It's a good thing you never actually play the game. 500k tank was full militia I believe? All my tanks were 1.2m and got annihilated from 300m to one guy on a roof hitting me 3 times. That was nonsense.

And it was just an example. All proto av killed a fully fitted tank in 3 or 4 hits. Unless it was armor. Then 4 or 5. You made claims then immediately abandon them for irrelevant attacks.

Which is really funny because you can't place top 5 in fw when most of the team is Baddies. :)

So funny when you send me mail complimenting me for dunking on the enemy team and i didn't even know you were in the battle.

Lav spam became an issue because everyone was tired of losing 1m isk tanks to 3 hits from AV so we all jumped in llavs and ran people over.

That alone should tell you av was OP. It was too risky to use a tank so we all freaking STOPPED.

Lav spam became an issue because everyone was tired of losing 1m isk tanks to 3 hits from AV so we all jumped in llavs and ran people over.

That alone should tell you av was OP. It was too risky to use a tank so we all freaking STOPPED.

All of you are so woefully clueless........ The problem is not the Tank, nor the Price, & nowhere near PG/CPU........... Modules were "Homogenized" & have been hit with a form of Tiericide. There is Zero Difference between MLT & Complex Modules in terms of DPS & Damage Mitigation. This is why MLT Tank Spam is the FOTM...... For Zero SP you can have a Tank with just as much Alpha & Constitution as STD. It's like having Dropsuit HP Modules give the same HP, just worse Fitting Requirements & a longer Recharge Delay/Speed Penalty. You are still just as "Brick Tanked" as a Complex, but at far less of a cost. The Revamp needs a Revamp......

Yeah I must be real bad. I guess not getting my @$$ handed to me by PRO AV all the time made makes me a scrub.

500k? No MLT, all basic.

I call bull$hit. I once had a tank survive 6+ shots from my Ishukone Assault Swarm Launcher. And as for abandoning my claims, I only do so when I can't be bothered to go fish through my usual 100+ notifications or GD for it.

I place top 5 when there is an actual battle near me. It's hard lugging around 624HP of armor and having to walk almost everywhere because the team quota is reached >.<.

If you provide transportation next time however, I'd be glad to rank higher than these Baddies :)

Also, I send GG to almost anyone.

Inb4 all AV weapons 3 shot 2m isk tanks again.

What a bad idea CCP. Just look at latest Pyrex's video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2FzDNHQNkE Its amazing how easly he can kill a MLT tank with 'sodom' blaster! And dear Devs are you still thinking that MLT tanks are too strong?! Even if they die one by one gunned to death by badly fitted tank. Think again.

Well don't get me wrong, but tank vs tank balance is perfect now. I drive alot and I like it, but I know limitations of MLT and STD tank. It takes great deal of tactics, suprise and luck to bring down good tank pilot in maddie or gunlogi but it is possible, thats why its so exciting now. I know that my low lv tanker toon don't have a much chance against top tankers in theirs STD tanks, so game still rewards those dedicated players. Thing is that when we squad up we can beat them even with MLT tanks. Don't make MLT tanks useless again. I don't want reverting tanking to elitist club again like put 10M or so SP to be able not to die in 10sec after jumping into tank.

OTOH as proto forge gunner with lots of SP invested into it I know that problem with tanks is only one. Speed! it is much too easy to run away and that's it. Nothing more. (Speed reduce make active modules more tactics enabled - pilot must think about retreat before use them, pilot must use it for very special reason not just to become deathcart for infantry) I killed lots o tank after 1.7 so wise AV is still viable option, but it is restricted only to vet players. Just buff AV a little like return 1/3 of nerfed dmg, RoF, locking distance to make it easier to fresh players. Look at statistics return more or leave it at this level. Think about web or engine scrambler. Be creative. Just dont mess with wrong things and make whole veh revolution irrelevant. Infantry do not have problem with balance between tanks!

Sidenote: Yes, there is problem with redline snipers, tank and rifle users but this is another and rather long story.

CCP, just follow the mantra of, "Keep it simple, stupid." You can do this by:
1. Holding tank prices where they're at right now.
2. Restore AV damage to previous levels.

Only THEN should you worry about adjusting the actual tanks--i.e. adjusting the ability to stack more than one hardener of the same type, efficacy of modules (I agree that uniform damage reduction is a dumb idea in regards to module levels- a proto module should be more effective than a militia one, and not just offer an extended amount of usage) or PG/CPU usage.

Slap 2 Militia Damage Mods on a Militia Railgun Sica and you can kill a Gunnogi with a full Complex fit.

That is broken.

No its not. This setup is glass cannon. When I use it my squaddies lit enemy tanks and whole journey into city must be very well planed to kill a tank. And one FG or blaster tank kill me on sight. What a adrenaline rush. Love it! OTOH its great that 2dmg sica or 3 dmg gunogi can take redline sniper with ease. Redline sniping is well... its not a fine idea afterall. They get what they deserved.

I'm talking about the Redline snipers, man.

A frontline av suit with just a swarm launcher should be able to solo a single sica/soma

That's where Ccp needs to start

Lav spam became an issue because everyone was tired of losing 1m isk tanks to 3 hits from AV so we all jumped in llavs and ran people over.

That alone should tell you av was OP. It was too risky to use a tank so we all freaking STOPPED.

I hate tanks

However I only have a problem with the tank spam
And that has nothing to do more than the cost of them.

So keep them as they are bit increase the cost.

A milita tank should cost 120-150 in it's raw layout

So of you lose one tank your are more or less at +- 0 on isk.


Leave the rest as it is

No. That's wrong idea. Cheap MLT tanks are for a reason, because they are weak. Using wisely fitted Sica against wisely fitted Gunlogi toe-to-toe is suicide. Even when you organize trap with 2 MLT tanks on 1 Gunlogi there is high chance that you will die. If you make MLT tanks costly, you just make rich high SP chars untouchable again! Did you forget about Suryas and Enforcers? They easly killed 30 or even more clones per match without risk. And now think about unkillable Gunlogis And Maddies running free from MLT menace.
There is only one way. Little unnerf (just return about 30% dmg/range/RoF of recent nerf) to AV and even more little nerf to tank speed (between 5 and 10%). I hate when CCP use hammer instead of scalpel. Especially that AFIK CCP can make this changes via hotfix - like they did with TacAR after Uprising.

Says the Hammer suggesting a Hammer-Flavored Scalpel to a Hammer..........

And once again, Dropships are suicide.

Oh wait, they are even now because you can two-shot them from anywhere on the map with Militia railgun tanks.

Is there anyone on these ******* forums that even considers the fact that AV is used against stuff other than tanks?

...and the easiest solution to the Dropship problem is to make them cheap, just like the militia tanks. One thing the game shouldn't do is turn them into flying tanks that can soak up large amounts of damage before safely retreating into the sky/cover (as tanks currently can do--hence the need to restore AV values.) Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing DS prices resemble those of LAVs for the purely transport-focused models. Offensive dropships (does such a thing exist?) should come with a higher price tag--maybe equal to the militia tanks.

[quote=Everything DiesIs there anyone on these ******* forums that even considers the fact that AV is used against stuff other than tanks?

No.......

I agree entirely. AV needs to be completely restored and dropships can become vastly cheaper in response. And in order to satisfy pilots fine, increase swam ranges by about half of what they used to be so you can have a chance to avoid missiles. I can understand that, but then VASTLY increase the power of AV grenades because currently infantry has no recourse against tanks at all outside of RE and even those fail. I once planted a cluster of 8 proximity mines in a match all in one area in a main road that tankers used. They used the speed glitch and ran over the entire prox mine cluster without even triggering a single one. Watched it happen about 15m from my face.

I'm tired of hearing this BS from the tank community that "everything is already balanced" just because they can go around the map again and go 61-0 in matches without even having to worry about loosing a single tank from infantry based weaponry.

Why not, their both MLT.

MLT=MLT.

That's balance.

I wonder if tanks feel too strong because tanks got a buff, price cut, and every form of AV got nerfed? Seriously how didn't see this coming CCP

Thank you, Saberwing!!!! :D <3333

I wonder if tanks feel too strong because tanks got a buff, price cut, and every form of AV got nerfed? Seriously how didn't see this coming CCP

Until MLT Tank BPOs exist again (Never) this is illogical. Until Infantry gets hit with Tiericide there will never really be "Balance". Vehicles got Nerfed into oblivion every Update since Uprising dropped, & even before..... Now Vehicles get not even 1 week into an Update & we immediately see a Hotfix here, a tweak there, all during a simple Downtime.......yet the suffering was prolonged in favor of Infantry. & you??? You're an Alt Double Post Self E-Peen Stroker, a Troll, & IWS Quality of "Gamer".

I wonder if tanks feel too strong because tanks got a buff, price cut, and every form of AV got nerfed? Seriously how didn't see this coming CCP

MLT tanks: Everyone knows they are OP. So the question is, how far do you knock them down?
To be completely honest, you can leave the armor and shield rating alone or take them down a few hundred. The overall issue is the slots and the guns.
Take the slots down to 2 per whatever tank it is. Sica gets two highs, and Somas get two lows. Or make it one and one. And you absolutely have to gank the CPU/PG room on both.

That's because 1 week into the update, there were so many things broken about vehicles [and still is] that it isn't even funny. 100% speed boost to MLT NOS modules? LOL.


AV was "Broken" since Chromosone. There were no Hotfixes, only Buffs & waiting periods. Your point is invalid.

Why should somebody be able to use something without investing SP while requiring multiple people who didn't invest SP to destroy them? Your simply paying for a huge advantage (that actually extends to vast majority of tankers as well, not just MLT ones)

SP & ISK..... Zero SP & ISK should not Instagib Zero SP that costs ISK. Only under the condition of a Skilled AVER should a Tank be Soloed. This entails Key Positioning & Strategy. This is already possible, thus invalidating your argument. You are basically asking for a LAVless Jihad Jeep, which further denotes your lack of Logic & Skill.

From my recollection, vehicles were nerfed 1-2 times. I don't remember reading the patch notes for every patch and it saying how they nerfed vehicles again.

Nerfed since Precursor...... The perpetual Nerfing only stopped in 1.7, but technically we were still Nerfed. It's just blanketed under AV Nerf QQ, thus making the Tank Nerf transparent to the point of invisibility. You cannot read "Ninja Fixes", your statement is irrelevant.

Oh yes, another wives tale passed around by tankers at the campfire. "Atiim want's vehicles removed." Atiim wanted our vehicle update was pushed back." "Atiim's not a tanker" ~and so much more.

You're not a Tanker. This is Fact, not Fiction. But you may resume perpetrating with your "Fish Stories".

I was not the cause, nor in favor of the tank re-"balancing" update being pushed further. In fact, I do remember saying many times that tanks needed a buff. However, most of you and other tanker's ideas were either idiotic, or something that would make tanks overpowered; usually both.

Link to my "Idiotic Ideas" or GTFO.

You still think KING CHECKMATE is my ALT huh? Well, considering how we have been placed in the same battle before, I'm going to say that we are different people.

Left Nut, Right Nut, you're both the same D**K. Also.....Dualboxing, & you are the ALT.

You're questioning my quality of a "gamer". Your the one who made 2 rage threads QQing about how much you suck at tanking.

Someone has to Troll me on me "Sucking".....& I guess it had to be me since nobody else can do it with a straight face

edit: Long post is way too long

I'm quite amazed that people keep forgetting about one important thing. Veh ballance. Yes, you could cripple MLT beyond rational point, but in that case even 3 ganked MLT tanks don't kill one STD tank. Dust is not only about infantry. I don't like idea of superpowerful tanks that require over 10M SP to gain practical immortality form MLT guys.
Guy or gal in skilled Gunlogi should fear when multiple MLT tanks (2 or 3) operating on the battlefield just like protobear fear ppl with MLT starter fit working together (and yes, they can bring protobrar down).
After all Dust is a multiplayer game, so should CCP encourage pll to fight solo?

If Proto AV is designed to take down the biggest tanks with level 5 everything then they should be able to rip through MLT.

Short of actual STD, ADV, and Proto tanks, there is no other solution but to bring back Prof 5 for Tank guns, so that way dedicated tankers will win most tank battles and survive most AV just the same way proto infantry can survive sub proto infantry.

Anything else is just laughable.

Well, are you dust player? Do you know EvE online? Do you know dust mechanics?

First if you are player you already should know, that any protobear with lv. 5 everything can be killed with ease by 2-3 fresh MLT toons with 0 SP applied. So this is cornerstone of EvE and by extension Dust. There is no goodlike fit or skills that can't be bypassed by good teamwork. This should be applied to tanks as well.

Second. EvE and Dust are "working in progress" game. So balancing something against things that come or not in far, far future is just silly. Game should be balanced now in "as it" state. Dev just rebalance things as new stuff will show up. Well they did this more than one-time (just look at new rifles and rang rebalance and many others). That's what is MMO's about - constant change, constant rebalance nothing there is eternal.

Third. Your understanding of mechanics is very poor. Sill levels are about unlocking new stuff and giving little advantage over unskilled player. Giving player skills that heavily circumvent team play (tank/AV gank), planning, tactics, shooting skills is just wrong. Advantage that come from that should be about 10-15% max. This also apply to equipment. That means that Gunlogi after toe-to-toe battle with Sica (if pilots have equal SP skills of course) should have no more than 10% eHP.

Yes, it's very laughable that you want ballance things that not exist, and create this elitist tank-club/protostompers again. You need to play more, try AV fits, MLT tanks and more. Maybe then you think about and find good arguments, because now you far from it.

I could politely inform you just exactly what my Clan tag entails Dust history wise, who I am, and where I come from just to make it so's you understand that on this forum, you're the new guy and I'm not.

Means you know **** ALL about this game. Seriously, you go beyond newb to n00b with that statement. I'll even grant you that math wise you may be right...but you know what, you aren't. Not even close. Not even in the same universe. I mean, you are a complete ********. Let's just run the math of militia assault rifle vs a proto AR with Prof 5.

Militia AR: 34 HP/rd, Accuracy rating of 55.5 and a magazine of 48 rds
Duvolle AR: 37.4 HP/rd, Accuraccy rating of 57.2, and a magazine of 60 rds.

Now, on paper, you might be justified in thinking "not much of an increase. Here's where you're dead wrong.

A week a go I was on my 4th alt, a "test" subject for new weapons. He uses a Caldari medium suit with full points in shields and armor, runs Complex Shield extenders, a GEk, and AR Prof 4.
I was owned like the washington generals to the globetrotter that was handling a carthum SR and full Amarr Assault proto gear. I could site up on him, get off a round or two and that's all it was. Straight owned by superior gear vs a 350 shield 150 armored medium fit. Caught him from behind more than once, he just turned around and floored me both times.

The game is DESIGNED with HUGE imbalances. In fact if there's any one thing that has been a constant in DUST from the beta until know is the advantage that players with bigger SP have over low SP players.

There is a good chance that my toon is older than yours, have more SP, moreover Im probably higher on leaderboards than you. So I find that gibberish utterly funny. This whole "elitism" is just childish so give a brake. I just font say much on public, just because don't like kids with bad patronizing habits.

That's why i put one condition - (if pilots have equal SP skills of course). Can you understand what you read? Yes, we discuss MLT tank nerf, so we compare them with caeteris paribus in mind (check on wikipedia what that means ). And this stats above just support my opinion. Thx.

Yes, I know that you just can't read. Second you was alone without sq support lol. If you don't know that already... squaddies can support you using own rifle or use needle, and repair tool. It's all about teamwork. And Im noobie, bro, you are so funny.

Yes, and I love that veh rebalance changed it.

I still say:

Buff missile damage by 30 = 250 damage per missile (down from 330 in 1.6)
Buff range by 25m = 200m range (down from 400 in 1.6)

These small buffs would get the Swarm Launcher a lot closer to being balanced. After seeing how that plays out we can determine if they need to be buffed any further.

Proto players with 20 mill SP and 250K fits shouldn't have to fear being taken down by militia gear users and neither should tankers.

looks like some1 thinks he has an aura of invincibility when wearing full proto^..

lets see...during the so called"murder taxi era"


i was never really ran over by any lavs. i was against the removal of the free starterfit lav though. in which proto bears like above^ wanted to run around in the middle of the road and NOT suffer the consequences. and so as they played around in the road like the stupid idiots they are.. in came the cars that ran them down. and so how this ends is that a bunch od crying unstable idiots came to the forums wanting the free mlt lav removed so they wouldnt have to worry about being ran over.

but that didnt work because then the logistics lavs started to shine and were thus nicknamed by the stupid full proto using n00bs. we discovered the word "murdertaxi".


and from several nerfs and buffs later. here we are right now.

wanting to nerf the WEAKEST AND HARDEST TO FIT OF ALL THE TANKS.


a zero sp invested tank isnt the deadliest threat to your beloved proto gear.

as even i dont complain about these at all. u know the tank i complain about... a std tank fitted with proto modules and turrets.

when i see an enemy mlt tank on the field i get my slightly better mlt tank out and use my "driving skills" to wreak havok on these "tank spammers" with ease.

hell i could easily av them solo with adv swarm and std av nades rather easily.

u know why? its because majority of these mlt tanks are driven by unskilled new players.or just unskilled.


i dont run out into the middle of a road like some ****** just to shoot at a mlt tank stand still, then get shot dead. (thats a stupid thing to do it makes no sense as to why every1does it anyways with their assault rifles!) then run on these forums and cry like a little baby. saying they r op.

i say tank vs tank is balanced and i can handle them while on foot with some careful tactics as well with ease.

so your going to nerf mlt tanks because that is the thing that killed u what? once or twice?. when that perma hardened gunnlogi or maddrugar over is obliterating every single thing on the map without a worry?

your either a tanker who has lost to many std tanks to mlt during a match. or some stupid player who wants to be invincible in full proto..

Ya know, every time I run across some half wit English professor wanna be EvE Mouse jockey I always think to myself..."Wow, can these guys get any more dense? I mean seriously, this guy is so thick he has his own gravitational pull. There's no way they can all be this obtuse."
And then another calculator watch wearing gaming hipster comes along up and proves me wrong. Open your books to page one chillun's cuz I'm about to take this little **** to school.


I probably have alts with more SP than you. If you can break 18 mill you lemme know (and I've capped ONCE in the last two months). Shouldn't be hard if you've been around since the beginning. Oh, and you don't post seldom because you're a shy, unique snowflake, but because your likely from the Affirmation-Everyone's Special-Participation Trophy generation and can't handle the heat.


I got a better idea, instead of sitting around learning **** that no on cares about so you can throw it in their faces because no one's ever heard of it why don't you spend your parents hard earned money on some critical thinking classes. You'r "condition" is the DUST equivalent of zero on the Kelvin Scale, Santa Claus, Carly Rae Jepson's 2nd top 10 hit, or a CSI script that challenges the viewer; it doesn't exist in this reality.

From an infantry standpoint there's been too much time and too many options for players that have been playing since the beta or just after LOLrelease. And the other thing here is that you completely missed the entire reason I wrote it, which was to explain the difference that we see in infantry and if tanking so to follow the same lines then there HAS to be the same built in imbalance. Proto players with 20 mill SP and 250K fits shouldn't have to fear being taken down by militia gear users and neither should tankers. That was the entire point of that, to show you that militia infantry users have little chance against Proto suits, MLT tanks shouldn't be able to win a straight knock down against a STD tank with a 12-16 mill SP sink (this is of course assuming that tanker weapon proficiency is brought back). As the skill tree stands now, it's too much a sink for a secondary role, or it's not enough of an advantage for tankers that have sunk the SP.


You do realize that the majority of FPS players DO NOT squad up. They DON'T have mics, and couldn't spell tactics if you gave them "actics" as a clue. So I'd love to know where this "perfect" team of yours is because it sure as hell isn't on my side of the MCC. And for the record myself and three clanmates where in that match, they chose to run milita gear because it was FW. Which was again...NOT MY POINT. My point is that there are newer players...even a couple of months old that have sunk SP into the wrong places, whatever the reason, and have maxed out as far as they can with 10-6 mill that are simply fodder for proto stompers. If it that way for infantry (and if I haven't painstakingly made that abundantly clear so that even a bottom feeder like yourself has to understand it then there's little hope for mankind at this point) then so it should be for everything else.


With that statement, you created a singularity of stupidity so strong, you bent light.

And with that, I am done with you. While I'd love to come back and repeatedly point out all your fallacies and just plain moronic statements, I actually have stuff to do. For a minute I thought you were just a really ineffective troll, but based on your misplaced confidence in your laughable and ineffective posts lead me to conclude something even worse...that you actually believe the garbage you post.

You are one of the things I despise most...the psuedo-intellectual. You may come off as intelligent, and you may have convinced yourself that you are, but in reality, all you are is an ineffective, non linear, freaking bore. So goodbye and good luck.

Hugs and kisses,
BattleCry1791

PS. Call your mother and apologize for being the huge disappointment that you are.

Dear BattleCry1791, that's just amazing how much you can write despite nothing to say. Congrats bro. FYI this toon will brake 30M SP very soon and I know every pixel on every map and I know every role, logi, assault, sniper, scout, heavy, DS/tank pilot you name it. You know why, because I play a lot.

Only argument in that whole sea of insults was:

And my answer is. They should they definitely should. Fits with near god mode, are just plain not right, they damage multiplayer aspect of the game and make game less popular, because its fun only to elite-hi-super-level players
Just try single player game, and enable cheat codes, you can be as untouchable as you like there .

looks like some1 thinks he has an aura of invincibility when wearing full proto^..

lets see...during the so called"murder taxi era"


i was never really ran over by any lavs. i was against the removal of the free starterfit lav though. in which proto bears like above^ wanted to run around in the middle of the road and NOT suffer the consequences. and so as they played around in the road like the stupid idiots they are.. in came the cars that ran them down. and so how this ends is that a bunch od crying unstable idiots came to the forums wanting the free mlt lav removed so they wouldnt have to worry about being ran over.

but that didnt work because then the logistics lavs started to shine and were thus nicknamed by the stupid full proto using n00bs. we discovered the word "murdertaxi".


and from several nerfs and buffs later. here we are right now.

wanting to nerf the WEAKEST AND HARDEST TO FIT OF ALL THE TANKS.


a zero sp invested tank isnt the deadliest threat to your beloved proto gear.

as even i dont complain about these at all. u know the tank i complain about... a std tank fitted with proto modules and turrets.

when i see an enemy mlt tank on the field i get my slightly better mlt tank out and use my "driving skills" to wreak havok on these "tank spammers" with ease.

hell i could easily av them solo with adv swarm and std av nades rather easily.

u know why? its because majority of these mlt tanks are driven by unskilled new players.or just unskilled.


i dont run out into the middle of a road like some ****** just to shoot at a mlt tank stand still, then get shot dead. (thats a stupid thing to do it makes no sense as to why every1does it anyways with their assault rifles!) then run on these forums and cry like a little baby. saying they r op.

i say tank vs tank is balanced and i can handle them while on foot with some careful tactics as well with ease.

so your going to nerf mlt tanks because that is the thing that killed u what? once or twice?. when that perma hardened gunnlogi or maddrugar over is obliterating every single thing on the map without a worry?

your either a tanker who has lost to many std tanks to mlt during a match. or some stupid player who wants to be invincible in full proto..

I was going to reply but then I realized you're with whatever is left of PRO and I figured "why bother?" Better my sister in a whorehouse than my brother play with those scrubs. Your clan tag alone makes anything you say completely invalid.

If you were to say "It's noon and the sun is shining", I'd have to walk outside and check.

PS, if you can't keep up, take notes.

Bump

look at nav trying to fan the flames. lol

LOL Tankers were happy that people forgot about the Tank spam for a bit and got overwhelmed by all these suit stats.

NICE try lol

Tanks and AV needs to be balanced. Don't wanna burn through 600-700k in suits to tickle a 70k Soma/Sica

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a zero sp invested tank isnt the deadliest threat to your beloved proto gear.

Want my Swarm Stats back or Give me My SP back. I'll put it into a Rail tank

This ^^^

If I knew Swarms were gonna be like this, I would've kept my SP into tanks and gone with a Particle Cannon.