"TANKS feel too strong and AV is not enough to stop them."

That mentions tanks in general and av in general. You twit.

its worse than a band-aid, its ccp nerfing there own counter to the cluster ***** that tanks are. gg you guys are really clueless

They fix the problem
and then bring back the problem
try to fix it
bring it back and then they'll go back to how it was ._.

Now buy our AUR tank :D

2-3 forges should lolpwn any vehicle in existence.

Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades?

I have a question for you. Why were you getting close enough to infantry to allow the use of AV Grenades?

4 Lai Dais? You allowed somebody to drop a Nanohive right in-front of you? Why?

My worst tank was 485k btw, and I stated "tanking" well before Uprising 1.7.

What else ya got?

Can't wait to waffle stomp 2+ militia tanks at once again.

Jesus youre bad. It's a good thing you never actually play the game. 500k tank was full militia I believe? All my tanks were 1.2m and got annihilated from 300m to one guy on a roof hitting me 3 times. That was nonsense.

And it was just an example. All proto av killed a fully fitted tank in 3 or 4 hits. Unless it was armor. Then 4 or 5. You made claims then immediately abandon them for irrelevent attacks.

Which is really funny because you can't place top 5 in fw when most of the team is Baddies. :)

So funny when you send me mail complimenting me for dunking on the enemy team and i didnt even know you were in the battle.

That statement is false. Solo in several instances I unloaded four iFG shots (prof 4 and one complex damage mod) into the forward and/or top armor of Gunlogis at mid/close range and not kill them. In one Uprising Battle I got up on the monkey bars behind an armor tank near my redline. I pounded on him the entire time he retreated back to his own side, he even drove right under me. Thanks to my reload his reps provided him enough just enough health to reach cover in his redline.

The issues of tanking infantry AV has always been a muddy topic. If it was a new player idling or just caught in a bad situation my iFG always killed them with three shots. It it was a properly fit tank with an experienced TC then solo tanking my DPS was easy.

armor tanks had bugged 3x repairs. My experience with them is fairly limited.

Gunnlogis died to 3 hits from a iaf. Plain and simple.

And my gunnlogi with missiles instagibs your madrugar that's made to instance gib infantry.

It's a wonderful world.

That statement is false. Solo in several instances I unloaded four iFG shots (prof 4 and one complex damage mod) into the forward and/or top armor of Gunlogis at mid/close range and not kill them. In one Uprising Battle I got up on the monkey bars behind an armor tank near my redline. I pounded on him the entire time he retreated back to his own side, he even drove right under me. Thanks to my reload his reps provided him enough just enough health to reach cover in his redline.

The issues of tanking infantry AV has always been a muddy topic. If it was a new player idling or just caught in a bad situation my iFG always killed them with three shots. It it was a properly fit tank with an experienced TC then solo tanking my DPS was easy.

I usually shield tank unless I'm also popping tanks, in which case I love my rail Madrugar. Also, I have not lost 1v1 versus Missiles in forever. I see them a few times a day and they fail to break my shields every time on my AP Gunnlogi. Usually they flee and come back later or I pop them. My AP tank is made to be AP and be able to tank anything from one source. With all the tank spam, I die to 2v1s a lot, as well as being preempted and outlasted. Nothing like having 4 enemy tanks drop around your AP tank. When I go AV, I usually go rails. They pop everything with 100% accuracy over all ranges.

You would lose that fight to a fitted blaster madrugar but that's as it should be. There's vehicles and turrets for all situations. Not to mention an assault dropship can ruin your day if you don't have support.

It's awesome that everything has a role. Infantry are pissed about blaster turrets. That's it. It takes all kinds to make the game diverse.

All of you are so woefully clueless........ The problem is not the Tank, nor the Price, & nowhere near PG/CPU........... Modules were "Homogenized" & have been hit with a form of Tiericide. There is Zero Difference between MLT & Complex Modules in terms of DPS & Damage Mitigation. This is why MLT Tank Spam is the FOTM...... For Zero SP you can have a Tank with just as much Alpha & Constitution as STD. It's like having Dropsuit HP Modules give the same HP, just worse Fitting Requirements & a longer Recharge Delay/Speed Penalty. You are still just as "Brick Tanked" as a Complex, but at far less of a cost. The Revamp needs a Revamp......

That's bullshit. You weren't doing it right if you couldn't bring down a tank by yourself without reloading. I have been two-shotted by the proto breach forge while I was in my highest EHP fit with a heavy and light azeotropic shield extender and three stacked passive resistance amplifiers. And I can swear he wasn't on my ass because I backed up into my redline and over the ridge I was on. But his second shot hit me because he was on the god damn tower on Manus Peak!

armor tanks had bugged 3x repairs. My experience with them is fairly limited.

Gunnlogis died to 3 hits from a iaf. Plain and simple.

All of you are so woefully clueless........ The problem is not the Tank, nor the Price, & nowhere near PG/CPU........... Modules were "Homogenized" & have been hit with a form of Tiericide. There is Zero Difference between MLT & Complex Modules in terms of DPS & Damage Mitigation. This is why MLT Tank Spam is the FOTM...... For Zero SP you can have a Tank with just as much Alpha & Constitution as STD. It's like having Dropsuit HP Modules give the same HP, just worse Fitting Requirements & a longer Recharge Delay/Speed Penalty. You are still just as "Brick Tanked" as a Complex, but at far less of a cost. The Revamp needs a Revamp......

Jesus youre bad. It's a good thing you never actually play the game. 500k tank was full militia I believe? All my tanks were 1.2m and got annihilated from 300m to one guy on a roof hitting me 3 times. That was nonsense.

And it was just an example. All proto av killed a fully fitted tank in 3 or 4 hits. Unless it was armor. Then 4 or 5. You made claims then immediately abandon them for irrelevant attacks.

Which is really funny because you can't place top 5 in fw when most of the team is Baddies. :)

So funny when you send me mail complimenting me for dunking on the enemy team and i didn't even know you were in the battle.

Lav spam became an issue because everyone was tired of losing 1m isk tanks to 3 hits from AV so we all jumped in llavs and ran people over.

That alone should tell you av was OP. It was too risky to use a tank so we all freaking STOPPED.

Lav spam became an issue because everyone was tired of losing 1m isk tanks to 3 hits from AV so we all jumped in llavs and ran people over.

That alone should tell you av was OP. It was too risky to use a tank so we all freaking STOPPED.

All of you are so woefully clueless........ The problem is not the Tank, nor the Price, & nowhere near PG/CPU........... Modules were "Homogenized" & have been hit with a form of Tiericide. There is Zero Difference between MLT & Complex Modules in terms of DPS & Damage Mitigation. This is why MLT Tank Spam is the FOTM...... For Zero SP you can have a Tank with just as much Alpha & Constitution as STD. It's like having Dropsuit HP Modules give the same HP, just worse Fitting Requirements & a longer Recharge Delay/Speed Penalty. You are still just as "Brick Tanked" as a Complex, but at far less of a cost. The Revamp needs a Revamp......

Yeah I must be real bad. I guess not getting my @$$ handed to me by PRO AV all the time made makes me a scrub.

500k? No MLT, all basic.

I call bull$hit. I once had a tank survive 6+ shots from my Ishukone Assault Swarm Launcher. And as for abandoning my claims, I only do so when I can't be bothered to go fish through my usual 100+ notifications or GD for it.

I place top 5 when there is an actual battle near me. It's hard lugging around 624HP of armor and having to walk almost everywhere because the team quota is reached >.<.

If you provide transportation next time however, I'd be glad to rank higher than these Baddies :)

Also, I send GG to almost anyone.

Inb4 all AV weapons 3 shot 2m isk tanks again.

What a bad idea CCP. Just look at latest Pyrex's video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2FzDNHQNkE Its amazing how easly he can kill a MLT tank with 'sodom' blaster! And dear Devs are you still thinking that MLT tanks are too strong?! Even if they die one by one gunned to death by badly fitted tank. Think again.

Well don't get me wrong, but tank vs tank balance is perfect now. I drive alot and I like it, but I know limitations of MLT and STD tank. It takes great deal of tactics, suprise and luck to bring down good tank pilot in maddie or gunlogi but it is possible, thats why its so exciting now. I know that my low lv tanker toon don't have a much chance against top tankers in theirs STD tanks, so game still rewards those dedicated players. Thing is that when we squad up we can beat them even with MLT tanks. Don't make MLT tanks useless again. I don't want reverting tanking to elitist club again like put 10M or so SP to be able not to die in 10sec after jumping into tank.

OTOH as proto forge gunner with lots of SP invested into it I know that problem with tanks is only one. Speed! it is much too easy to run away and that's it. Nothing more. (Speed reduce make active modules more tactics enabled - pilot must think about retreat before use them, pilot must use it for very special reason not just to become deathcart for infantry) I killed lots o tank after 1.7 so wise AV is still viable option, but it is restricted only to vet players. Just buff AV a little like return 1/3 of nerfed dmg, RoF, locking distance to make it easier to fresh players. Look at statistics return more or leave it at this level. Think about web or engine scrambler. Be creative. Just dont mess with wrong things and make whole veh revolution irrelevant. Infantry do not have problem with balance between tanks!

Sidenote: Yes, there is problem with redline snipers, tank and rifle users but this is another and rather long story.