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Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:09:00 - [1] - Quote It is to powerful. All this game is now is just "find the red dot on your radar". Everyone pretty much always knows where everyone else is. It's boring. And the victory always goes to the the team with the fewest noobs on their side, who don't understand how active scanners will get them kill very quickly. The active scanner is killing the fittings variety in this game. If you're not constantly running, AT LEAST, a suit that is below 36 dB odds are you're going to get rolled, or at the very least go ISK negative for the match, unless you are running in fittings that are 20k ISK or less. So, outside of running junk std fitting, pretty much your only other option is to dampen. Well what's wrong with that you say. Well I'm glad you asked: In order to get a medium suit to beat the adv scanner requires complex skills and a complex mod, which will put a med suit at 33.75 dB. So, first off, we are asking noobs to, before they do anything else skill wise, skill dampening to Lv5 and imediately start using complex dampeners on ever suit they fit if they don't want to keep getting rolled. But it doesn't stop there. In order, to counter the active one must give up vital a vital low slot, thus drastically decreasing ones overal ability to survive. On the other hand the active scanner user must make no such sacrifices. With a minamal skill investment (Lv3 to get the adv scanner) you are easily on your way. All you have to give up to use the AS is one equipment slot. Easy enough if your a logi, you won't even notice. If you are an assault, so you'll have to look for a nanohive in order to rearm in the field - no big deal. Scanners have no real draw back for the user. And beat the scanner costs you the abillity to survive well. And now beating the scanner is even worse. So there you have it scanner 514. ~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 758	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:17:00 - [2] - Quote Working as intended, yo. Git gud. HTFU. Buttercups! Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2473	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:18:00 - [3] - Quote The question is...is it OP or is your versatility UP? Active scanners can be a pain but I don't use dampeners. They don't bother me too much because I think like this: No matter what the enemy throws at me, I can throw one harder back him. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 72	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:24:00 - [4] - Quote Just stop trying to hide from the scanner and shoot them right in the face with a rail rifle when they find you. I get scanned 50 times a game but it means nothing if they cant beat me in a gun fight. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
jordy mack Ultramarine Corp 71	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:30:00 - [5] - Quote I should just let this thread die, but I'm a sucker for punishment I guess. Remember before scanners? If anyone saw anyone they lit up on the map. Isn't squad only intel much nicer? Also all a new bro has to do is join a squad, chances are someone in it is scanning for the enemy team. Or failing that fight fire with fire and use one themselves. NEXT PLEASE!
mollerz Minja Scouts 1509	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:30:00 - [6] - Quote I love knifing logis running around with them in circles never noticing me close in and kill em. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:33:00 - [7] - Quote The kind of thing amuses me when you're whole team is getting rolled by a squad or two of full proto with scanners, because they know where your entire team is. I do just fine on my own in my radar tanked scout. Shooting people in the back all day long whistling dixie while I play. I am just trying to point out that fact that noobs and most people who aren't dampening are getting ROFL stomped in pubs and this is the exact reason why. And it is killing variety/fun factor in this game. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 693	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:35:00 - [8] - Quote Hopefully soon. Lolscanner spam is rediculous. It dosent make sence to be able to see 95% of your enemys on radar at all times, Make it so you show up when you use it Make it so it scans for 5 seconds and you have to put the person in the scanner cone for 4 seconds to get them to show up Scanned people only show up for 3-5 seconds Increase recharge time to 30-45 seconds
Happy Violentime L0ST PR0FITS 164	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:42:00 - [9] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: ~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. That's your choice. Obviously you made the wrong one? Want a respec? If you had a Caldari medium suit you would be able to dampen without sacrificing so much eHP.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 73	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:46:00 - [10] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Just stop trying to hide from the scanner and shoot them right in the face with a rail rifle when they find you. I get scanned 50 times a game but it means nothing if they cant beat me in a gun fight. This kind of thinking amuses me when you're whole team is getting rolled by a squad or two of full proto with scanners, because they know where your entire team is. I do just fine on my own in my radar tanked scout. Shooting people in the back all day long whistling dixie while I play. I am just trying to point out that fact that noobs and most people who aren't dampening are getting ROFL stomped in pubs and this is the exact reason why. And it is killing variety/fun factor in this game. Well then there is your problem your not in the right squad. At some point your going to come face to face with the other team and your squad has to be able to defend its self. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:52:00 - [11] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: ~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. That's your choice. Obviously you made the wrong one? Want a respec? If you had a Caldari medium suit you would be able to dampen without sacrificing so much eHP. Dude I have mor than 70 million skI'll point over four diferent characters, and my main has 30m SP. with my main I an proto with all Gal tech, with Lv 5 cores on just about every thing. Your right I do run scout by choise. Obviously didnt know who you were talking to. Now go troll someone else. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 168	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:53:00 - [12] - Quote 1 Scanner jammer 2 proto damps 3 galscout 4 keep complaining 5 never adapt 6 GET GOOD 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot/stab them.' Snow LOCKOUT Psycho with the knife.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:54:00 - [13] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Just stop trying to hide from the scanner and shoot them right in the face with a rail rifle when they find you. I get scanned 50 times a game but it means nothing if they cant beat me in a gun fight. This kind of thinking amuses me when you're whole team is getting rolled by a squad or two of full proto with scanners, because they know where your entire team is. I do just fine on my own in my radar tanked scout. Shooting people in the back all day long whistling dixie while I play. I am just trying to point out that fact that noobs and most people who aren't dampening are getting ROFL stomped in pubs and this is the exact reason why. And it is killing variety/fun factor in this game. Well then there is your problem your not in the right squad. At some point your going to come face to face with the other team and your squad has to be able to defend its self. I lone wolf a lot. Just delivering my observations. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2475	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:56:00 - [14] - Quote You know what's ironically funny? The community wanted and celebrated the WPs gained from scanned kills. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:56:00 - [15] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: 1 Scanner jammer 2 proto damps 3 galscout 4 keep complaining 5 never adapt 6 GET GOOD There is no jammer...? {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising 45	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:58:00 - [16] - Quote Here's a shocker, why don't you scan them right back? A basic scanner works just as well as proto one, and doesn't cost a lot of SP. Just because you read "you have been scanned" doesn't mean everybody knows where you are, or even that they're specifically targeting you. As far as know the effect is more psychological, from a perceived message of doom. Stop getting psyched out. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 168	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:01:00 - [17] - Quote Unfortunately, no. There needs to be, for the people to screw with the scanner wielders. 'SOME MARGAIN OF ERROR' The look on his face.... PricelesssXD And for people who cant afford 4 proto damps and proto gal scout suits. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot/stab them.' Snow LOCKOUT Psycho with the knife.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:04:00 - [18] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Here's a shocker, why don't you scan them right back? A basic scanner works just as well as proto one, and doesn't cost a lot of SP. Just because you read "you have been scanned" doesn't mean everybody knows where you are, or even that they're specifically targeting you. As far as know the effect is more psychological, from a perceived message of doom. Stop getting psyched out. I dont have problems with being scanned. Like I said, I lone wolf pubs a lot, I am just relaying the blatantly obvious facts that I have observed. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Happy Violentime L0ST PR0FITS 164	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:07:00 - [19] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: ~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. That's your choice. Obviously you made the wrong one? Want a respec? If you had a Caldari medium suit you would be able to dampen without sacrificing so much eHP. Dude I have mor than 70 million skI'll point over four diferent characters, and my main has 30m SP. with my main I an proto with all Gal tech, with Lv 5 cores on just about every thing. Your right I do run scout by choise. Obviously didnt know who you were talking to. Now go troll someone else. All that SP doesn't make you less stupid.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 74	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:12:00 - [20] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Just stop trying to hide from the scanner and shoot them right in the face with a rail rifle when they find you. I get scanned 50 times a game but it means nothing if they cant beat me in a gun fight. This kind of thinking amuses me when you're whole team is getting rolled by a squad or two of full proto with scanners, because they know where your entire team is. I do just fine on my own in my radar tanked scout. Shooting people in the back all day long whistling dixie while I play. I am just trying to point out that fact that noobs and most people who aren't dampening are getting ROFL stomped in pubs and this is the exact reason why. And it is killing variety/fun factor in this game. Well then there is your problem your not in the right squad. At some point your going to come face to face with the other team and your squad has to be able to defend its self. I lone wolf a lot. Just delivering my observations. ok i understand you like running lone wolf but you better be a big bad wolf when you get scanned. I do understand that scanners are a problem but it evens out the game play when you have scanners and proto squads on both teams so the problem is your lone wolf pub tactics. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:12:00 - [21] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: ~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. That's your choice. Obviously you made the wrong one? Want a respec? If you had a Caldari medium suit you would be able to dampen without sacrificing so much eHP. Dude I have mor than 70 million skI'll point over four diferent characters, and my main has 30m SP. with my main I an proto with all Gal tech, with Lv 5 cores on just about every thing. Your right I do run scout by choise. Obviously didnt know who you were talking to. Now go troll someone else. All that SP doesn't make you less stupid. No... You're stupid. Do you see how easy that is? And childish. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Spectre-M The Generals General Tso's Alliance 155	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:14:00 - [22] - Quote Make it pulse like a real radar. Fixed. Amarr Factional Warfare Loyalist Minnmatar in Amarr Armor I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:16:00 - [23] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Just stop trying to hide from the scanner and shoot them right in the face with a rail rifle when they find you. I get scanned 50 times a game but it means nothing if they cant beat me in a gun fight. This kind of thinking amuses me when you're whole team is getting rolled by a squad or two of full proto with scanners, because they know where your entire team is. I do just fine on my own in my radar tanked scout. Shooting people in the back all day long whistling dixie while I play. I am just trying to point out that fact that noobs and most people who aren't dampening are getting ROFL stomped in pubs and this is the exact reason why. And it is killing variety/fun factor in this game. Well then there is your problem your not in the right squad. At some point your going to come face to face with the other team and your squad has to be able to defend its self. I lone wolf a lot. Just delivering my observations. ok i understand you like running lone wolf but you better be a big bad wolf when you get scanned. I do understand that scanners are a problem but it evens out the game play when you have scanners and proto squads on both teams so the problem is your lone wolf pub tactics. 1. I don't have a problem when I lone wolf. 2. When has match making in this game EVER evened out teams? Seriously has this even EVER occurred? {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 320	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:19:00 - [24] - Quote I think they should increase the CPU/PG costs on all scanners drastically, and then give an inherent CPU/PG reduction for scanners for scouts. That way scouts get a role (scouting) and you see less of them on the field. There still needs to be some fine tuning on the cooldown so that you avoid the "you've been scanned" spam...
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 306	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:42:00 - [25] - Quote Full on electronic warfare is like winter. You lil whiney bitches are going to have to content with new situational awareness mechanics and im sorry honey boo boo but you're going to have to sacrifice some armor to stay hidden. You know what's more "OP" than you showing up on enemy radar? You not having one cause its scrambled AND showing up on enemy radar. Scanner, scrambling and voice comm denial were just the examples given by CCP Remnant at FF2013. Too many chumps want to have their cake and eat it too...tough ****! I wan#t to run around with full profile dampeners but you see there's a thing called damage that I have to mitigate so I equip armor. Boo hoo scanner is OP, I'm not going to accommodate the counter measures the game provides to combat it, I'ma just whine on the forums hoping that one day it will go away.... Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command 926	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:48:00 - [26] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Just stop trying to hide from the scanner and shoot them right in the face with a rail rifle when they find you. I get scanned 50 times a game but it means nothing if they cant beat me in a gun fight. This is what happens when I start thinking this. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED "Ok, I got this. C'mere, Cupcake." Guy runs around corner. We have a small shoot out. I come out on top with only a third of my armor missing "Now to go link up wi-" Three of the guy's squad mates pop out from around the corner/direction i'm about to go in Every. Single. Time. I'm cool with scanners though. I only use them when i'm in a squad and i've placed my up-links; it'd be hypocritical to rage at them. Lore-wise: Calamari are my preferred. Amarricans are my despised. Importantly: Frogs n' Brutes have all my stuff...
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:49:00 - [27] - Quote THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Full on electronic warfare is like winter. You lil whiney bitches are going to have to content with new situational awareness mechanics and im sorry honey boo boo but you're going to have to sacrifice some armor to stay hidden. You know what's more "OP" than you showing up on enemy radar? You not having one cause its scrambled AND showing up on enemy radar. Scanner, scrambling and voice comm denial were just the examples given by CCP Remnant at FF2013. Too many chumps want to have their cake and eat it too...tough ****! I wan#t to run around with full profile dampeners but you see there's a thing called damage that I have to mitigate so I equip armor. Boo hoo scanner is OP, I'm not going to accommodate the counter measures the game provides to combat it, I'ma just whine on the forums hoping that one day it will go away.... Dude did you even read anything I've said in this thread? {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1420	Posted - 2013.12.31 10:16:00 - [28] - Quote When we see 'some margin of error' we now know a dampened suit is in the immediate area and check flanks and behind us. Your dampening does literally nothing, active scanners need to be completely removed in my opinion.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 10:44:00 - [29] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: When we see 'some margin of error' we now know a dampened suit is in the immediate area and check flanks and behind us. Your dampening does literally nothing, active scanners need to be completely removed in my opinion. What they need to do is make a hard counter to it that goes in the equipment slot like a jammer or a ghost signal generator. {edit >>> and not four months from now. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 372	Posted - 2013.12.31 11:06:00 - [30] - Quote Does anyone remember that the devblog that announced the active scanner said that the wielder of the active scanner would show up on the radar of anyone within the scanner's range? If that was actually the case I believe we wouldn't be seeing the item being used quite as often. That said, a complex profile dampener does work wonders against scanners. It's just not something you can realistically spec into until you have about half a year worth of skillpoints under your belt, so I'm mostly concerned for our newer players.

Poultryge1st Da Short Buss 18	Posted - 2013.12.31 11:12:00 - [31] - Quote Oh no, an item needs to be used to see everyone. Change it back to when everyone saw everything!
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 613	Posted - 2013.12.31 13:12:00 - [32] - Quote If you're complaining about getting scanned, maybe you should get good at this game. I'm being serious. On one of my alts with around 3.5 mil SP, I don't run dampeners. Instead I run an Amarr Logi with RS-90 CR, basic SMG, 3x basic shield extenders, 2x basic plates, 1x basic armor repairer, A-45 Scanner, basic REs, and K-2 nanohives. Not a very "tanky" suit by any means, but I still manage 3.0+ KDR in most games while lone wolfing, even against proto squads who keep scanning me. How? Because I use proper cover and good positioning, scan them back, set RE traps for them, etc. Just because you get scanned doesn't mean your tactics go out the window; it just means you lose the element of surprise. If the element of surprise were the only way to win this game, then we'd see a whole lot more scout shotties on the field.
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 333	Posted - 2013.12.31 13:24:00 - [33] - Quote Dampened gal scout I don't know what you mean, what is a scanner? on another note put two complex damps on a cal logi proto and watch people **** bricks when they don't see you Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!! Renegade minja fighting for the empress
Medical Crash 0uter.Heaven 159	Posted - 2013.12.31 13:27:00 - [34] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: It is to powerful. All this game is now is just "find the red dot on your radar". Everyone pretty much always knows where everyone else is. It's boring. And the victory always goes to the the team with the fewest noobs on their side, who don't understand how active scanners will get them kill very quickly. The active scanner is killing the fittings variety in this game. If you're not constantly running, AT LEAST, a suit that is below 36 dB odds are you're going to get rolled, or at the very least go ISK negative for the match, unless you are running in fittings that are 20k ISK or less. So, outside of running junk std fitting, pretty much your only other option is to dampen. Well what's wrong with that you say. Well I'm glad you asked: In order to get a medium suit to beat the adv scanner requires complex skills and a complex mod, which will put a med suit at 33.75 dB. So, first off, we are asking noobs to, before they do anything else skill wise, skill dampening to Lv5 and imediately start using complex dampeners on ever suit they fit if they don't want to keep getting rolled. But it doesn't stop there. In order, to counter the active scanner one must give up a vital low slot, thus drastically decreasing ones overal ability to survive. On the other hand the active scanner user must make no such sacrifices. With a minamal skill investment (Lv3 to get the adv scanner) you are easily on your way. All you have to give up to use the AS is one equipment slot. Easy enough if your a logi, you won't even notice. If you are an assault, so you'll have to look for a nanohive in order to rearm in the field - no big deal. Scanners have no real draw back for the user. And to beat the scanner costs you the abillity to survive well. And not beating the scanner is even worse. So there you have it scanner 514. ~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. You shut your filthy mouth with all this "nerfing" talk, be quiet and wear dampners like the rest of us. I'm in a low HP Min. Logi suit as a shotgunner. Adapt damn it, CCP put Dampners in the game for a reason. I wear 2 Complex Damps and rarely am I scanned.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 749	Posted - 2013.12.31 13:32:00 - [35] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: If you're complaining about getting scanned, maybe you should get good at this game. I'm being serious. Are you guys even reading what Im writing? I'm being serious. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 749	Posted - 2013.12.31 13:34:00 - [36] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: It is to powerful. All this game is now is just "find the red dot on your radar". Everyone pretty much always knows where everyone else is. It's boring. And the victory always goes to the the team with the fewest noobs on their side, who don't understand how active scanners will get them kill very quickly. The active scanner is killing the fittings variety in this game. If you're not constantly running, AT LEAST, a suit that is below 36 dB odds are you're going to get rolled, or at the very least go ISK negative for the match, unless you are running in fittings that are 20k ISK or less. So, outside of running junk std fitting, pretty much your only other option is to dampen. Well what's wrong with that you say. Well I'm glad you asked: In order to get a medium suit to beat the adv scanner requires complex skills and a complex mod, which will put a med suit at 33.75 dB. So, first off, we are asking noobs to, before they do anything else skill wise, skill dampening to Lv5 and imediately start using complex dampeners on ever suit they fit if they don't want to keep getting rolled. But it doesn't stop there. In order, to counter the active scanner one must give up a vital low slot, thus drastically decreasing ones overal ability to survive. On the other hand the active scanner user must make no such sacrifices. With a minamal skill investment (Lv3 to get the adv scanner) you are easily on your way. All you have to give up to use the AS is one equipment slot. Easy enough if your a logi, you won't even notice. If you are an assault, so you'll have to look for a nanohive in order to rearm in the field - no big deal. Scanners have no real draw back for the user. And to beat the scanner costs you the abillity to survive well. And not beating the scanner is even worse. So there you have it scanner 514. ~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. You shut your filthy mouth with all this "nerfing" talk, be quiet and wear dampners like the rest of us. I'm in a low HP Min. Logi suit as a shotgunner. Adapt damn it, CCP put Dampners in the game for a reason. I wear 2 Complex Damps and rarely am I scanned. Yup, that's variety for you. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 749	Posted - 2013.12.31 13:38:00 - [37] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Dampened gal scout I don't know what you mean, what is a scanner? on another note put two complex damps on a cal logi proto and watch people **** bricks when they don't see you I'm right there with you man. It's just painful watching all these people get their @$$es handed to the by the scanner. Especially the noobs... For gods sake, think about the noobs. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Happy Violentime L0ST PR0FITS 167	Posted - 2013.12.31 13:50:00 - [38] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Dampened gal scout I don't know what you mean, what is a scanner? on another note put two complex damps on a cal logi proto and watch people **** bricks when they don't see you This guy gets it :) +1
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 614	Posted - 2013.12.31 14:14:00 - [39] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: If you're complaining about getting scanned, maybe you should get good at this game. I'm being serious. Are you guys even reading what Im writing? I'm being serious. You're saying that new players are going to get stomped by proto squads who use scanners, because new players shouldn't be expected to immediately skill into profile dampeners all the way to proto when so many other things take priority, and use less SP. New players will get stomped by proto squads regardless. It happened during shared team vision and it's happening during shared squad vision with scanners. Sometimes vet players also get stomped by proto squads, even if they have dampening up. In some games, you just CAN'T win, due to how the teams are stacked. As a lone wolfer you know this. So instead of throwing your body at the enemy and losing tons of suits, you have to play smart, hang back, and engage only on your terms. You can do this even if you get scanned.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 750	Posted - 2013.12.31 14:25:00 - [40] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: If you're complaining about getting scanned, maybe you should get good at this game. I'm being serious. Are you guys even reading what Im writing? I'm being serious. You're saying that new players are going to get stomped by proto squads who use scanners, because new players shouldn't be expected to immediately skill into profile dampeners all the way to proto when so many other things take priority, and use less SP. New players will get stomped by proto squads regardless. It happened during shared team vision and it's happening during shared squad vision with scanners. Sometimes vet players also get stomped by proto squads, even if they have dampening up. In some games, you just CAN'T win, due to how the teams are stacked. As a lone wolfer you know this. So instead of throwing your body at the enemy and losing tons of suits, you have to play smart, hang back, and engage only on your terms. You can do this even if you get scanned. No man, it was never this bad. Shutting off the radar, and making a way to counter it only accessable to highly skilled players is just tearing the the noob apart. I'm currently tracking about 400 random noobs, through my contacts, and let me tell you it's pretty bad. You know all those player at the bottom of the score board EVERY game, going 0/8, 1/15 etc. yup you guessed it all noobs. They are getting utterly slaughtered. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."

Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 111	Posted - 2013.12.31 14:30:00 - [41] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: King Kobrah wrote: When we see 'some margin of error' we now know a dampened suit is in the immediate area and check flanks and behind us. Your dampening does literally nothing, active scanners need to be completely removed in my opinion. What they need to do is make a hard counter to it that goes in the equipment slot like a jammer or a ghost signal generator. {edit >>> and not four months from now. Or you know, a single complex profile dampener that will keep you hidden from all but Proto Scanners. Hint: nobody uses proto scanners because they use more fitting resources than most prototype weapons. ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQTSTALLION... I AM THE STALLION
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 171	Posted - 2013.12.31 14:37:00 - [42] - Quote Noob or vet, your gonna get stomped. Whether you're good or not, especially if your not, your getting stomped. But it is funny when they're get scared ***less even though your scanned because they rely on their scanners to watch there six. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot/stab them.' Snow LOCKOUT* Psycho with the knife.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 750	Posted - 2013.12.31 14:40:00 - [43] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: King Kobrah wrote: When we see 'some margin of error' we now know a dampened suit is in the immediate area and check flanks and behind us. Your dampening does literally nothing, active scanners need to be completely removed in my opinion. What they need to do is make a hard counter to it that goes in the equipment slot like a jammer or a ghost signal generator. {edit >>> and not four months from now. Or you know, a single complex profile dampener that will keep you hidden from all but Proto Scanners. Hint: nobody uses proto scanners because they use more fitting resources than most prototype weapons. Or you could pause, reread my OP, as you obviously failed to comprehend it the first time around, and then come to the realization that what you just said has nothing to do with what I am talking about. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 616	Posted - 2013.12.31 14:50:00 - [44] - Quote If they're getting stomped even more than pre-1.4, it's because they aren't scanning back. If you don't know where the enemy is and they know where you are, you're pretty much screwed. Newberries need to band together in squads and make sure they have people scanning, if only to have everyone pointed in the direction of the oncoming enemy.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 90	Posted - 2013.12.31 15:57:00 - [45] - Quote the sp you need for the scanner is completely out of whack with what a scout can spend on his passive skill and mods, which is what they are supposed to be the best at, vehicle scanner is also to good
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3358	Posted - 2013.12.31 16:35:00 - [46] - Quote TL;DR: My medium suit can't play scout anymore We used to have a time machine
King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1427	Posted - 2013.12.31 16:41:00 - [47] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: TL;DR: My medium suit can't play scout anymore Nobody can play scout anymore. 'HEY GUYS I GOT SOME MARGIN OF ERROR THERE'S A PAPER SUIT AROUND HERE SOMEWHERE LET'S HUNT HIM'
Vag Eye Lenol Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.12.31 17:00:00 - [48] - Quote If not already mentioned, drawback for the scanner... YOU CAN'T PUT AWAY WHILE IN USE!!!! As soon as you pull that trigger your a sitting duck scanned or not. There's no melee to interrupt there's no arming up when you find that person around the corner. There's also the option to upgrade you suit scanner which also comes in handy and is largely overlooked. As for upgrading to LVL 5, it doesn't take very much SP if i remember correctly so it's easy to upgrade. And if you find that you are being scanned a whole lot, then build not to be scanned. ;)
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 752	Posted - 2013.12.31 17:06:00 - [49] - Quote ^^^ Draw back LOL. If you get caught with your pants down like that, you deserve to die. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 363	Posted - 2013.12.31 17:31:00 - [50] - Quote it needs a cooldown increase but thats it Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.

Vag Eye Lenol Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.12.31 17:34:00 - [51] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: ^^^ Draw back LOL. If you get caught with your pants down like that, you deserve to die. No argument, however I'd like to also add that it lights you up when in use, so many scanner users picked out because I can see them using a flashlight hahah.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 617	Posted - 2013.12.31 18:16:00 - [52] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: ^^^ Draw back LOL. If you get caught with your pants down like that, you deserve to die. It actually is a drawback, and it happens to the best of us. For instance when you scan and someone decloaks from an uplink you didn't see, or when a dampened enemy catches you with your scanner out. But my point from before still stands; if you can't dodge scans, the next best thing is to scan people back. Scanners are the single most important piece of equipment you can have, and every squad needs to use one, preferably more than one. If you are lone wolfing, especially without dampeners, you definitely need a scanner.
Rusty Shallows 638	Posted - 2013.12.31 20:01:00 - [53] - Quote Devs just need to make Scanners more tactical instead of omni-directional. Make it so that only targets that have been inside the angle the entire scan have a chance of showing up in the results My ballerina Logi Bro Alt will be heartbroken but he'll get over it. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 8	Posted - 2013.12.31 20:15:00 - [54] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: ^^^ Draw back LOL. If you get caught with your pants down like that, you deserve to die. It actually is a drawback, and it happens to the best of us. For instance when you scan and someone decloaks from an uplink you didn't see, or when a dampened enemy catches you with your scanner out. But my point from before still stands; if you can't dodge scans, the next best thing is to scan people back. Scanners are the single most important piece of equipment you can have, and every squad needs to use one, preferably more than one. If you are lone wolfing, especially without dampeners, you definitely need a scanner. wow, 2 whole seconds, that's shorter than most weapon reloads. It's not a drawback it's a triviality at best.
Tectonic Fusion 874	Posted - 2013.12.31 20:22:00 - [55] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Just stop trying to hide from the scanner and shoot them right in the face with a rail rifle when they find you. I get scanned 50 times a game but it means nothing if they cant beat me in a gun fight. If it's one person, that would be fine. But usually when I get scanned (below 36 dB) it's 4 protoguys running at me with Rail Rifles and **. Solo Player Squad status: Locked**
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 756	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:10:00 - [56] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Devs just need to make Scanners more tactical instead of omni-directional. Make it so that only targets that have been inside the angle the entire scan have a chance of showing up in the results My ballerina Logi Bro Alt will be heartbroken but he'll get over it. Gal scout bro. My entire character is a scanner. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 756	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:14:00 - [57] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Devs just need to make Scanners more tactical instead of omni-directional. Make it so that only targets that have been inside the angle the entire scan have a chance of showing up in the results My ballerina Logi Bro Alt will be heartbroken but he'll get over it. Yah, I really do think this is a big part of the problem. Perhaps even the largest part of it. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
ratamaq doc Edge Regiment 335	Posted - 2014.01.01 00:20:00 - [58] - Quote The answer to the new player problem is to keep them in academy for WAY longer. Like 5x as long. If you have 20 mil plus skill points and you're still getting scanned after 3 months of these things being on the field, that's your own bad choices and you should have to live with them. This is New Eden. YouTube 30D Recruiting
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 200	Posted - 2014.01.01 00:40:00 - [59] - Quote 350 eHP? You might as well go full scout if your so concerned about scanners. As a scout I rarely get scanned, & when I do I just throw on a basic dampener & keep it moving. If you want to avoid scanners you should be weak just like us scouts. Seems to be working as intended.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 200	Posted - 2014.01.01 00:53:00 - [60] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: King Kobrah wrote: When we see 'some margin of error' we now know a dampened suit is in the immediate area and check flanks and behind us. Your dampening does literally nothing, active scanners need to be completely removed in my opinion. What they need to do is make a hard counter to it that goes in the equipment slot like a jammer or a ghost signal generator. {edit >>> and not four months from now. Or you know, a single complex profile dampener that will keep you hidden from all but Proto Scanners. Hint: nobody uses proto scanners because they use more fitting resources than most prototype weapons. Actually the difference from adv to proto is only about 10cpu/3pg. Which is minor IMO. The real reason people rarely use them is the longer cooldown.

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 758	Posted - 2014.01.01 02:34:00 - [61] - Quote DTOracle wrote: 350 eHP? You might as well go full scout if your so concerned about scanners. As a scout I rarely get scanned, & when I do I just throw on a basic dampener & keep it moving. If you want to avoid scanners you should be weak just like us scouts. Seems to be working as intended. I am full scout proto gal scout. Running a passive radar tanked suit. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 758	Posted - 2014.01.01 04:38:00 - [62] - Quote {edit^^^ should have said scout not logi. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Awesome Pantaloons Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 202	Posted - 2014.01.01 04:57:00 - [63] - Quote Two words: Remote. Explosives. The enemy knows where you are. Good. Let them come into the corridor you have cleverly backed into, where you have put REs along the walls. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 95	Posted - 2014.01.01 06:48:00 - [64] - Quote I've gotten tired of being scanned as well. I have a min assault using a low for a complex dampener to hide. That is your only and best defense if you want to play hide and seek. Of course, if the enemy employs information warfare, you only need to scan them right back to make it an even playing field, If you try fighting an enemy blind then of course you are going to get stomped. This week when i cap out im getting proto scanners. I can fit them on my suit without affecting my ehp too badly. Of course this way only a select few can hide and those unable will be up for 25sec perks of the quantum. I can do plenty of work in those 25 secs Otherwise CCP will have to make a deploy-able jammer equipment as a counter. Seem fair enough as a decent counter for low-tier players Trust in the Rust! 7-Time Matar Mass Driver World Champion Combat Rifle is for Combat!
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 926	Posted - 2014.01.01 07:48:00 - [65] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: It is to powerful. All this game is now is just "find the red dot on your radar". Everyone pretty much always knows where everyone else is. It's boring. And the victory always goes to the the team with the fewest noobs on their side, who don't understand how active scanners will get them kill very quickly. The active scanner is killing the fittings variety in this game. If you're not constantly running, AT LEAST, a suit that is below 36 dB odds are you're going to get rolled, or at the very least go ISK negative for the match, unless you are running in fittings that are 20k ISK or less. So, outside of running junk std fitting, pretty much your only other option is to dampen. Well what's wrong with that you say. Well I'm glad you asked: In order to get a medium suit to beat the adv scanner requires complex skills and a complex mod, which will put a med suit at 33.75 dB. So, first off, we are asking noobs to, before they do anything else skill wise, skill dampening to Lv5 and imediately start using complex dampeners on ever suit they fit if they don't want to keep getting rolled. But it doesn't stop there. In order, to counter the active scanner one must give up a vital low slot, thus drastically decreasing ones overal ability to survive. On the other hand the active scanner user must make no such sacrifices. With a minamal skill investment (Lv3 to get the adv scanner) you are easily on your way. All you have to give up to use the AS is one equipment slot. Easy enough if your a logi, you won't even notice. If you are an assault, so you'll have to look for a nanohive in order to rearm in the field - no big deal. Scanners have no real draw back for the user. And to beat the scanner costs you the abillity to survive well. And not beating the scanner is even worse. So there you have it scanner 514. ~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. Have a look at this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1479849#post1479849 Not a nerf but suggested change in functionality to make scanners less no-brainers. Tank spam getting onto your nerves? An improvement:
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 1166	Posted - 2014.01.01 08:05:00 - [66] - Quote Try being a minmatar scout that can never beat the15 db,or you lose1/2 slots to beat the 28 sounds fair eh, can't really say I feel for you
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 760	Posted - 2014.01.01 10:34:00 - [67] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Try being a minmatar scout that can never beat the15 db,or you lose1/2 slots to beat the 28 sounds fair eh, can't really say I feel for you Seriously though, do you read bro? I sware, if I see one mor post like this, I'm going to punch a baby right in face. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 177	Posted - 2014.01.01 12:11:00 - [68] - Quote Not the baby!!! The innocent bystander standing next to the baby. 'Don't talk to stranger, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT I will never stop killing you. Dropship Pilot/Ninja/Sniper
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 201	Posted - 2014.01.01 12:52:00 - [69] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: OZAROW wrote: Try being a minmatar scout that can never beat the15 db,or you lose1/2 slots to beat the 28 sounds fair eh, can't really say I feel for you Seriously though, do you read bro? I sware, if I see one mor post like this, I'm going to punch a baby right in face. Your OP gave examples of assault fits trying to avoid scanners. You made no mention that you were a scout in you original post. BTW, what lvl scout & lvl dampening are you at.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 760	Posted - 2014.01.01 13:07:00 - [70] - Quote DTOracle wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: OZAROW wrote: Try being a minmatar scout that can never beat the15 db,or you lose1/2 slots to beat the 28 sounds fair eh, can't really say I feel for you Seriously though, do you read bro? I sware, if I see one mor post like this, I'm going to punch a baby right in face. Your OP gave examples of assault fits trying to avoid scanners. You made no mention that you were a scout in you original post. BTW, what lvl scout & lvl dampening are you at. Really: [quote=Son-Of A-Gun]~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. If that ain't a sour suit I dont know what is. I'm full proto: Comp presision inhancmener kaalakiota RR Carthum assault SP Locus Allotek NH Comp range amp Comp Ferroscale Enhanced plate Comp kin cat {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 761	Posted - 2014.01.01 13:19:00 - [71] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: DTOracle wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: OZAROW wrote: Try being a minmatar scout that can never beat the15 db,or you lose1/2 slots to beat the 28 sounds fair eh, can't really say I feel for you Seriously though, do you read bro? I sware, if I see one mor post like this, I'm going to punch a baby right in face. Your OP gave examples of assault fits trying to avoid scanners. You made no mention that you were a scout in you original post. BTW, what lvl scout & lvl dampening are you at. Really: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: ~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. If that ain't a scout suit I dont know what is. I'm full proto: Comp presision inhancmener kaalakiota RR Carthum assault SP Locus Allotek NH Comp range amp Comp Ferroscale Enhanced plate Comp kin cat {edit>>> That's for close quarters (city maps, 50m) I also have fittings with with two comp range amps (70m) and three (100m). I always forget to count the shields (87 HP) so it's more like around just over 400 eHP on that particular suit. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Lorhak Gannarsein 1007	Posted - 2014.01.01 13:30:00 - [72] - Quote Hey OP, get gud and use dampeners! So what if it's literally impossible for them to avoid the ADV scanner - which is the one everyone uses! So what if they can't invest the SP to do it otherwise because they have MORE IMPORTANT SKILLS TO BUY like your CORES. So what if they QUIT THE GAME BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED. Usually I just unsubscribe from my threads when they recieve this level of mindless idiocy. And for what it's worth, my ADV scanner loves it when he finds 'some margin of error'. Means there's someone dressed in papier mache inside 100m. PRO tanker and proud. Lentarr Legionary.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 201	Posted - 2014.01.01 13:31:00 - [73] - Quote Yes, really. Son-Of A-Gun wrote: In order to get a medium suit to beat the adv scanner requires complex skills and a complex mod, which will put a med suit at 33.75 dB. So, first off, we are asking noobs to, before they do anything else skill wise, skill dampening to Lv5 and imediately start using complex dampeners on ever suit they fit if they don't want to keep getting rolled. I can see that know. but based solely on what you wrote, it is not clear what suit you were wearing. & as a proto Gal scout you are in the best possible situation in regards to AS's. So I don't quite see your point. If you skilled up properly you can easily avoid all but 1 scanner(that no one uses) w/ a single basic dampener. & still have 3 low slots & with your passive scan range you don't even need to use a scanner yourself. I run a Min scout & see no problem w/ sacrificing 1 low to remain unseen. Which I almost never have to do BTW. Often times having the enemy know my position is perfect for setting traps or corner camping with my shotty.
Lorhak Gannarsein 1007	Posted - 2014.01.01 13:36:00 - [74] - Quote DTOracle wrote: Yes, really. Son-Of A-Gun wrote: In order to get a medium suit to beat the adv scanner requires complex skills and a complex mod, which will put a med suit at 33.75 dB. So, first off, we are asking noobs to, before they do anything else skill wise, skill dampening to Lv5 and imediately start using complex dampeners on ever suit they fit if they don't want to keep getting rolled. I can see that know. but based solely on what you wrote, it is not clear what suit you were wearing. & as a proto Gal scout you are in the best possible situation in regards to AS's. So I don't quite see your point. If you skilled up properly you can easily avoid all but 1 scanner(that no one uses) w/ a single basic dampener. & still have 3 low slots & with your passive scan range you don't even need to use a scanner yourself. I run a Min scout & see no problem w/ sacrificing 1 low to remain unseen. You didn't actually comprehend it, did you.... He has stated multiple times in this thread that scanners don't bother him. He has also stated multiple times that he is a carebear who wants them nerfed so that newbies don't insta quit the game because not only can everyone else always see them, it's a hefty SP investment for them to be able to counter it in any way, either with dampeners or with their own scanner. PRO tanker and proud. Lentarr Legionary.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 761	Posted - 2014.01.01 13:38:00 - [75] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Hey OP, get gud and use dampeners! So what if it's literally impossible for them to avoid the ADV scanner - which is the one everyone uses! So what if they can't invest the SP to do it otherwise because they have MORE IMPORTANT SKILLS TO BUY like your CORES. So what if they QUIT THE GAME BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED. Usually I just unsubscribe from my threads when they recieve this level of mindless idiocy. And for what it's worth, my ADV scanner loves it when he finds 'some margin of error'. Means there's someone dressed in papier mache inside 100m. And here I go. Punching a baby in the face now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_K385Ql__4&feature=youtube_gdata_player I did even read pat the first line of your post, since you moronically replyed to this thread without even reading the OP. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 292	Posted - 2014.01.01 13:40:00 - [76] - Quote the only reasonable nerf i could see the scanner getting is a, dont show who is squad leader, all red dots should appear the same unless you can actually see them b, scanner should JUST show a dot, and not the arrow showing the direction they are pointing, because pretty much at the moment its like the VR helmet from blacklight
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 201	Posted - 2014.01.01 13:41:00 - [77] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: DTOracle wrote: Yes, really. Son-Of A-Gun wrote: In order to get a medium suit to beat the adv scanner requires complex skills and a complex mod, which will put a med suit at 33.75 dB. So, first off, we are asking noobs to, before they do anything else skill wise, skill dampening to Lv5 and imediately start using complex dampeners on ever suit they fit if they don't want to keep getting rolled. I can see that know. but based solely on what you wrote, it is not clear what suit you were wearing. & as a proto Gal scout you are in the best possible situation in regards to AS's. So I don't quite see your point. If you skilled up properly you can easily avoid all but 1 scanner(that no one uses) w/ a single basic dampener. & still have 3 low slots & with your passive scan range you don't even need to use a scanner yourself. I run a Min scout & see no problem w/ sacrificing 1 low to remain unseen. You didn't actually comprehend it, did you.... He has stated multiple times in this thread that scanners don't bother him. He has also stated multiple times that he is a carebear who wants them nerfed so that newbies don't insta quit the game because not only can everyone else always see them, it's a hefty SP investment for them to be able to counter it in any way, either with dampeners or with their own scanner. When I originally replied to this thread, I was on my phone & did not read every post. I simply replied to the OP. Which did imply, but did not state that he was a scout.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 179	Posted - 2014.01.01 13:46:00 - [78] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: And here I go. Punching a baby in the face now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_K385Ql__4&feature=youtube_gdata_player I did even read pat the first line of your post, since you moronically replyed to this thread without even reading the OP.[/quote] I SAID THE INNOCENT BYSTANDER!!!! 'Don't talk to stranger, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT I will never stop killing you. Dropship Pilot/Ninja/Sniper
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 761	Posted - 2014.01.01 13:49:00 - [79] - Quote Duble post {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 180	Posted - 2014.01.01 13:53:00 - [80] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Hey OP, get gud and use dampeners! So what if it's literally impossible for them to avoid the ADV scanner - which is the one everyone uses! So what if they can't invest the SP to do it otherwise because they have MORE IMPORTANT SKILLS TO BUY like your CORES. So what if they QUIT THE GAME BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED. Usually I just unsubscribe from my threads when they recieve this level of mindless idiocy. And for what it's worth, my ADV scanner loves it when he finds 'some margin of error'. Means there's someone dressed in papier mache inside 100m. I guess reading is OP as well... 'Don't talk to stranger, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT I will never stop killing you. Dropship Pilot/Ninja/Sniper

DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 201	Posted - 2014.01.01 13:55:00 - [81] - Quote The only real solution for the new player experience is PvE. I'm not suggesting that the AS's are perfect(but at least they're useful now). But sweeping changes to satisfy a subset of players, will only serve **** off another subset. More content(specifically more Gamemodes) is the only thing that can satisfy the majority.
Cymek Omnius Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:46:00 - [82] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: It is to powerful. All this game is now is just "find the red dot on your radar". Everyone pretty much always knows where everyone else is. It's boring. And the victory always goes to the the team with the fewest noobs on their side, who don't understand how active scanners will get them kill very quickly. The active scanner is killing the fittings variety in this game. If you're not constantly running, AT LEAST, a suit that is below 36 dB odds are you're going to get rolled, or at the very least go ISK negative for the match, unless you are running in fittings that are 20k ISK or less. So, outside of running junk std fitting, pretty much your only other option is to dampen. Well what's wrong with that you say. Well I'm glad you asked: In order to get a medium suit to beat the adv scanner requires complex skills and a complex mod, which will put a med suit at 33.75 dB. So, first off, we are asking noobs to, before they do anything else skill wise, skill dampening to Lv5 and imediately start using complex dampeners on ever suit they fit if they don't want to keep getting rolled. But it doesn't stop there. In order, to counter the active scanner one must give up a vital low slot, thus drastically decreasing ones overal ability to survive. On the other hand the active scanner user must make no such sacrifices. With a minamal skill investment (Lv3 to get the adv scanner) you are easily on your way. All you have to give up to use the AS is one equipment slot. Easy enough if your a logi, you won't even notice. If you are an assault, so you'll have to look for a nanohive in order to rearm in the field - no big deal. Scanners have no real draw back for the user. And to beat the scanner costs you the abillity to survive well. And not beating the scanner is even worse. So there you have it scanner 514. ~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. A medium suit should not beat a scanner. That is what the scout suit is for.There are counters, you just have to train towards it.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 762	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:49:00 - [83] - Quote Cymek Omnius wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: It is to powerful. All this game is now is just "find the red dot on your radar". Everyone pretty much always knows where everyone else is. It's boring. And the victory always goes to the the team with the fewest noobs on their side, who don't understand how active scanners will get them kill very quickly. The active scanner is killing the fittings variety in this game. If you're not constantly running, AT LEAST, a suit that is below 36 dB odds are you're going to get rolled, or at the very least go ISK negative for the match, unless you are running in fittings that are 20k ISK or less. So, outside of running junk std fitting, pretty much your only other option is to dampen. Well what's wrong with that you say. Well I'm glad you asked: In order to get a medium suit to beat the adv scanner requires complex skills and a complex mod, which will put a med suit at 33.75 dB. So, first off, we are asking noobs to, before they do anything else skill wise, skill dampening to Lv5 and imediately start using complex dampeners on ever suit they fit if they don't want to keep getting rolled. But it doesn't stop there. In order, to counter the active scanner one must give up a vital low slot, thus drastically decreasing ones overal ability to survive. On the other hand the active scanner user must make no such sacrifices. With a minamal skill investment (Lv3 to get the adv scanner) you are easily on your way. All you have to give up to use the AS is one equipment slot. Easy enough if your a logi, you won't even notice. If you are an assault, so you'll have to look for a nanohive in order to rearm in the field - no big deal. Scanners have no real draw back for the user. And to beat the scanner costs you the abillity to survive well. And not beating the scanner is even worse. So there you have it scanner 514. ~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. A medium suit should not beat a scanner. That is what the scout suit is for.There are counters, you just have to train towards it. Wow, I think I'm just about through with this thread now. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Cymek Omnius Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:54:00 - [84] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Cymek Omnius wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: It is to powerful. All this game is now is just "find the red dot on your radar". Everyone pretty much always knows where everyone else is. It's boring. And the victory always goes to the the team with the fewest noobs on their side, who don't understand how active scanners will get them kill very quickly. The active scanner is killing the fittings variety in this game. If you're not constantly running, AT LEAST, a suit that is below 36 dB odds are you're going to get rolled, or at the very least go ISK negative for the match, unless you are running in fittings that are 20k ISK or less. So, outside of running junk std fitting, pretty much your only other option is to dampen. Well what's wrong with that you say. Well I'm glad you asked: In order to get a medium suit to beat the adv scanner requires complex skills and a complex mod, which will put a med suit at 33.75 dB. So, first off, we are asking noobs to, before they do anything else skill wise, skill dampening to Lv5 and imediately start using complex dampeners on ever suit they fit if they don't want to keep getting rolled. But it doesn't stop there. In order, to counter the active scanner one must give up a vital low slot, thus drastically decreasing ones overal ability to survive. On the other hand the active scanner user must make no such sacrifices. With a minamal skill investment (Lv3 to get the adv scanner) you are easily on your way. All you have to give up to use the AS is one equipment slot. Easy enough if your a logi, you won't even notice. If you are an assault, so you'll have to look for a nanohive in order to rearm in the field - no big deal. Scanners have no real draw back for the user. And to beat the scanner costs you the abillity to survive well. And not beating the scanner is even worse. So there you have it scanner 514. ~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. A medium suit should not beat a scanner. That is what the scout suit is for.There are counters, you just have to train towards it. Wow, I think I'm just about through with this thread now. Glad to help. Happy New year!
Munin-Frey Fish Spotters Inc. 63	Posted - 2014.01.01 16:05:00 - [85] - Quote No Scanning is fine
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 762	Posted - 2014.01.01 16:08:00 - [86] - Quote Munin-Frey wrote: No Scanning is fine Ah, excellent rebuttal. Now for my counter argument Noooo... Scanners are OP. nerf'em. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 186	Posted - 2014.01.01 16:12:00 - [87] - Quote As much as I agree; when I used em 'SOME MARGAIN OF ERROR' made me scared ***less. I would pay to see the look on there face now that I can induce this. 'Don't talk to stranger, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT* I will never stop killing you. Dropship Pilot/Ninja/Sniper
Munin-Frey Fish Spotters Inc. 63	Posted - 2014.01.01 16:44:00 - [88] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Munin-Frey wrote: No Scanning is fine Ah, excellent rebuttal. Now for my counter argument: Noooo... Scanners are OP. nerf'em. /sarcasm I don't understand what is not to like... It is the perfect way to know they are close. I just sit and drink my beer until I see "you have been scanned" Besides, I like that everyone runs one... It reduces the equipment spam.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 768	Posted - 2014.01.01 16:49:00 - [89] - Quote Munin-Frey wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Munin-Frey wrote: No Scanning is fine Ah, excellent rebuttal. Now for my counter argument: Noooo... Scanners are OP. nerf'em. /sarcasm I don't understand what is not to like... It is the perfect way to know they are close. I just sit and drink my beer until I see "you have been scanned" Besides, I like that everyone runs one... It reduces the equipment spam. Dude throw a little reading and comprehension at what I've said so far in this thead. Then realize that inspite the fact that you think you are on the same page as what I am trying to get across, nothing could be further from the truth. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 189	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:05:00 - [90] - Quote In my PERSONAL opinion; 'prepares for laptop exploding due to overload of spam', scouts should ALMOST NEVER have AS. "Why shouldn't scouts have AS?" The point of a scout is for no one TO KNOW your there. Now in situations when your screwing around and making enemies **** tanks, yeah. I recommend scanners if your traumatizing them because there seeing seeing 'YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED' while there reading SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED', that is funny. 'Don't talk to stranger, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT I will never stop killing you. Dropship Pilot/Ninja/Sniper

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 771	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:08:00 - [91] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: In my PERSONAL opinion; 'prepares for laptop exploding due to overload of spam', scouts should ALMOST NEVER have AS. "Why shouldn't scouts have AS?" The point of a scout is for no one TO KNOW your there. Now in situations when your screwing around and making enemies **** tanks, yeah. I recommend scanners if your traumatizing them because there seeing seeing 'YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED' while there reading SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED', that is funny. Lol, not worth the eq slot though. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 189	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:10:00 - [92] - Quote ^That too, remote explosives! 'Don't talk to stranger, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT I will never stop killing you. Dropship Pilot/Ninja/Sniper
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix 1417	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:58:00 - [93] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: In my PERSONAL opinion; 'prepares for laptop exploding due to overload of spam', scouts should ALMOST NEVER have AS. "Why shouldn't scouts have AS?" The point of a scout is for no one TO KNOW your there. Now in situations when your screwing around and making enemies **** tanks, yeah. I recommend scanners if your traumatizing them because there seeing seeing 'YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED' while there reading SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED', that is funny. Lol, not worth the eq slot though. Now here is the funny thing, you can actually get away with using the AS. Since it's spammed so much, nobody notices or cares about the YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED if it's been happening all round. Now I can abuse the wallhack in my scout suit. It does need a nerf though. Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 773	Posted - 2014.01.02 02:02:00 - [94] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: In my PERSONAL opinion; 'prepares for laptop exploding due to overload of spam', scouts should ALMOST NEVER have AS. "Why shouldn't scouts have AS?" The point of a scout is for no one TO KNOW your there. Now in situations when your screwing around and making enemies **** tanks, yeah. I recommend scanners if your traumatizing them because there seeing seeing 'YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED' while there reading SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED', that is funny. Lol, not worth the eq slot though. Now here is the funny thing, you can actually get away with using the AS. Since it's spammed so much, nobody notices or cares about the YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED if it's been happening all round. Now I can abuse the wallhack in my scout suit. It does need a nerf though. Yes it does. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 403	Posted - 2014.01.02 02:43:00 - [95] - Quote Honestly, what's the point of dampeners if the "some margin of error" gives away your stealth? Do away with the error message and you'll see most of the complaints dry up, as scouts can take their rightful place as assassins and ninja defenders. Life is killing me.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 775	Posted - 2014.01.02 02:49:00 - [96] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Honestly, what's the point of dampeners if the "some margin of error" gives away your stealth? Do away with the error message and you'll see most of the complaints dry up, as scouts can take their rightful place as assassins and ninja defenders. Yah, that message needs to go. Also they should probably make it to where when used it gives away your position to maybe half the range your scanning at. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Assault Smurf Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.01.02 03:38:00 - [97] - Quote jordy mack wrote: I should just let this thread die, but I'm a sucker for punishment I guess. Remember before scanners? If anyone saw anyone they lit up on the map. Isn't squad only intel much nicer? Also all a new bro has to do is join a squad, chances are someone in it is scanning for the enemy team. Or failing that fight fire with fire and use one themselves. NEXT PLEASE! why would it be squad only, overall you are a team....
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 332	Posted - 2014.01.02 10:30:00 - [98] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: Does anyone remember that the devblog that announced the active scanner said that the wielder of the active scanner would show up on the radar of anyone within the scanner's range? If that was actually the case I believe we wouldn't be seeing the item being used quite as often. That said, a complex profile dampener does work wonders against scanners. It's just not something you can realistically spec into until you have about half a year worth of skillpoints under your belt, so I'm mostly concerned for our newer players. I can't remember the exact game it was, but in another multiplayer FPS where they have "scanners" the guy who is scanning shows up on a bright dot on the radar - this is a good inherent counter as it makes him careful how often he scans due to him lighting up like a xmas tree. If you put this in I guarantee you people will be less likely to scan if they are alone and will do it even less if they are in a squad as you now know where they are coming from.
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist Orion Empire 17	Posted - 2014.01.02 14:25:00 - [99] - Quote I personally think the scanner is fine right now. I have thought about how a nerd would work though. What if the was a certain amount of things it could scan? 6 things for basic 10 for advanced and 16 for pro to. "things" being people uplinks supply depots etc. It would bring new tactics to like a ammo/spawn pad spam diversion.If a basic scanner could scan 6 things place 6 things in a spot, that scanner sees them and not any players. Assuming that the things keen people were there the scanner and his squad head over there while the other teams squad flanks them or takes over an objective or killing the squad. What do you think -Federal Marine-Open Beta Vet- Let Caldari Prime Burn


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