DUST Search - So... when is the scanner getting nerfed?

CUSE TOWN333 wrote:

Son-Of A-Gun wrote:

CUSE TOWN333 wrote:

Son-Of A-Gun wrote:

CUSE TOWN333 wrote:

Just stop trying to hide from the scanner and shoot them right in the face with a rail rifle when they find you. I get scanned 50 times a game but it means nothing if they cant beat me in a gun fight.

This kind of thinking amuses me when you're whole team is getting rolled by a squad or two of full proto with scanners, because they know where your entire team is.

I do just fine on my own in my radar tanked scout. Shooting people in the back all day long whistling dixie while I play. I am just trying to point out that fact that noobs and most people who aren't dampening are getting ROFL stomped in pubs and this is the exact reason why. And it is killing variety/fun factor in this game.

Well then there is your problem your not in the right squad. At some point your going to come face to face with the other team and your squad has to be able to defend its self.

I lone wolf a lot. Just delivering my observations.

ok i understand you like running lone wolf but you better be a big bad wolf when you get scanned. I do understand that scanners are a problem but it evens out the game play when you have scanners and proto squads on both teams so the problem is your lone wolf pub tactics.

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Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:09:00 - [1] - Quote It is to powerful. All this game is now is just "find the red dot on your radar". Everyone pretty much always knows where everyone else is. It's boring. And the victory always goes to the the team with the fewest noobs on their side, who don't understand how active scanners will get them kill very quickly. The active scanner is killing the fittings variety in this game. If you're not constantly running, AT LEAST, a suit that is below 36 dB odds are you're going to get rolled, or at the very least go ISK negative for the match, unless you are running in fittings that are 20k ISK or less. So, outside of running junk std fitting, pretty much your only other option is to dampen. Well what's wrong with that you say. Well I'm glad you asked: In order to get a medium suit to beat the adv scanner requires complex skills and a complex mod, which will put a med suit at 33.75 dB. So, first off, we are asking noobs to, before they do anything else skill wise, skill dampening to Lv5 and imediately start using complex dampeners on ever suit they fit if they don't want to keep getting rolled. But it doesn't stop there. In order, to counter the active one must give up vital a vital low slot, thus drastically decreasing ones overal ability to survive. On the other hand the active scanner user must make no such sacrifices. With a minamal skill investment (Lv3 to get the adv scanner) you are easily on your way. All you have to give up to use the AS is one equipment slot. Easy enough if your a logi, you won't even notice. If you are an assault, so you'll have to look for a nanohive in order to rearm in the field - no big deal. Scanners have no real draw back for the user. And beat the scanner costs you the abillity to survive well. And now beating the scanner is even worse. So there you have it scanner 514. ~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 758	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:17:00 - [2] - Quote Working as intended, yo. Git gud. HTFU. Buttercups! Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2473	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:18:00 - [3] - Quote The question is...is it OP or is your versatility UP? Active scanners can be a pain but I don't use dampeners. They don't bother me too much because I think like this: No matter what the enemy throws at me, I can throw one harder back him. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 72	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:24:00 - [4] - Quote Just stop trying to hide from the scanner and shoot them right in the face with a rail rifle when they find you. I get scanned 50 times a game but it means nothing if they cant beat me in a gun fight. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
jordy mack Ultramarine Corp 71	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:30:00 - [5] - Quote I should just let this thread die, but I'm a sucker for punishment I guess. Remember before scanners? If anyone saw anyone they lit up on the map. Isn't squad only intel much nicer? Also all a new bro has to do is join a squad, chances are someone in it is scanning for the enemy team. Or failing that fight fire with fire and use one themselves. NEXT PLEASE!
mollerz Minja Scouts 1509	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:30:00 - [6] - Quote I love knifing logis running around with them in circles never noticing me close in and kill em. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:33:00 - [7] - Quote The kind of thing amuses me when you're whole team is getting rolled by a squad or two of full proto with scanners, because they know where your entire team is. I do just fine on my own in my radar tanked scout. Shooting people in the back all day long whistling dixie while I play. I am just trying to point out that fact that noobs and most people who aren't dampening are getting ROFL stomped in pubs and this is the exact reason why. And it is killing variety/fun factor in this game. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 693	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:35:00 - [8] - Quote Hopefully soon. Lolscanner spam is rediculous. It dosent make sence to be able to see 95% of your enemys on radar at all times, Make it so you show up when you use it Make it so it scans for 5 seconds and you have to put the person in the scanner cone for 4 seconds to get them to show up Scanned people only show up for 3-5 seconds Increase recharge time to 30-45 seconds
Happy Violentime L0ST PR0FITS 164	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:42:00 - [9] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: ~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. That's your choice. Obviously you made the wrong one? Want a respec? If you had a Caldari medium suit you would be able to dampen without sacrificing so much eHP.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 73	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:46:00 - [10] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Just stop trying to hide from the scanner and shoot them right in the face with a rail rifle when they find you. I get scanned 50 times a game but it means nothing if they cant beat me in a gun fight. This kind of thinking amuses me when you're whole team is getting rolled by a squad or two of full proto with scanners, because they know where your entire team is. I do just fine on my own in my radar tanked scout. Shooting people in the back all day long whistling dixie while I play. I am just trying to point out that fact that noobs and most people who aren't dampening are getting ROFL stomped in pubs and this is the exact reason why. And it is killing variety/fun factor in this game. Well then there is your problem your not in the right squad. At some point your going to come face to face with the other team and your squad has to be able to defend its self. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:52:00 - [11] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: ~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. That's your choice. Obviously you made the wrong one? Want a respec? If you had a Caldari medium suit you would be able to dampen without sacrificing so much eHP. Dude I have mor than 70 million skI'll point over four diferent characters, and my main has 30m SP. with my main I an proto with all Gal tech, with Lv 5 cores on just about every thing. Your right I do run scout by choise. Obviously didnt know who you were talking to. Now go troll someone else. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 168	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:53:00 - [12] - Quote 1 Scanner jammer 2 proto damps 3 galscout 4 keep complaining 5 never adapt 6 GET GOOD 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot/stab them.' Snow LOCKOUT Psycho with the knife.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:54:00 - [13] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Just stop trying to hide from the scanner and shoot them right in the face with a rail rifle when they find you. I get scanned 50 times a game but it means nothing if they cant beat me in a gun fight. This kind of thinking amuses me when you're whole team is getting rolled by a squad or two of full proto with scanners, because they know where your entire team is. I do just fine on my own in my radar tanked scout. Shooting people in the back all day long whistling dixie while I play. I am just trying to point out that fact that noobs and most people who aren't dampening are getting ROFL stomped in pubs and this is the exact reason why. And it is killing variety/fun factor in this game. Well then there is your problem your not in the right squad. At some point your going to come face to face with the other team and your squad has to be able to defend its self. I lone wolf a lot. Just delivering my observations. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2475	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:56:00 - [14] - Quote You know what's ironically funny? The community wanted and celebrated the WPs gained from scanned kills. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:56:00 - [15] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: 1 Scanner jammer 2 proto damps 3 galscout 4 keep complaining 5 never adapt 6 GET GOOD There is no jammer...? {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising 45	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:58:00 - [16] - Quote Here's a shocker, why don't you scan them right back? A basic scanner works just as well as proto one, and doesn't cost a lot of SP. Just because you read "you have been scanned" doesn't mean everybody knows where you are, or even that they're specifically targeting you. As far as know the effect is more psychological, from a perceived message of doom. Stop getting psyched out. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 168	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:01:00 - [17] - Quote Unfortunately, no. There needs to be, for the people to screw with the scanner wielders. 'SOME MARGAIN OF ERROR' The look on his face.... PricelesssXD And for people who cant afford 4 proto damps and proto gal scout suits. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot/stab them.' Snow LOCKOUT Psycho with the knife.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:04:00 - [18] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Here's a shocker, why don't you scan them right back? A basic scanner works just as well as proto one, and doesn't cost a lot of SP. Just because you read "you have been scanned" doesn't mean everybody knows where you are, or even that they're specifically targeting you. As far as know the effect is more psychological, from a perceived message of doom. Stop getting psyched out. I dont have problems with being scanned. Like I said, I lone wolf pubs a lot, I am just relaying the blatantly obvious facts that I have observed. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Happy Violentime L0ST PR0FITS 164	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:07:00 - [19] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: ~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. That's your choice. Obviously you made the wrong one? Want a respec? If you had a Caldari medium suit you would be able to dampen without sacrificing so much eHP. Dude I have mor than 70 million skI'll point over four diferent characters, and my main has 30m SP. with my main I an proto with all Gal tech, with Lv 5 cores on just about every thing. Your right I do run scout by choise. Obviously didnt know who you were talking to. Now go troll someone else. All that SP doesn't make you less stupid.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 74	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:12:00 - [20] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Just stop trying to hide from the scanner and shoot them right in the face with a rail rifle when they find you. I get scanned 50 times a game but it means nothing if they cant beat me in a gun fight. This kind of thinking amuses me when you're whole team is getting rolled by a squad or two of full proto with scanners, because they know where your entire team is. I do just fine on my own in my radar tanked scout. Shooting people in the back all day long whistling dixie while I play. I am just trying to point out that fact that noobs and most people who aren't dampening are getting ROFL stomped in pubs and this is the exact reason why. And it is killing variety/fun factor in this game. Well then there is your problem your not in the right squad. At some point your going to come face to face with the other team and your squad has to be able to defend its self. I lone wolf a lot. Just delivering my observations. ok i understand you like running lone wolf but you better be a big bad wolf when you get scanned. I do understand that scanners are a problem but it evens out the game play when you have scanners and proto squads on both teams so the problem is your lone wolf pub tactics. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:12:00 - [21] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: ~ from a Gallente who runs around in a radar tanked suit most of the time, with about 350 eHP, shooting people in the back with a scrambler pistol. That's your choice. Obviously you made the wrong one? Want a respec? If you had a Caldari medium suit you would be able to dampen without sacrificing so much eHP. Dude I have mor than 70 million skI'll point over four diferent characters, and my main has 30m SP. with my main I an proto with all Gal tech, with Lv 5 cores on just about every thing. Your right I do run scout by choise. Obviously didnt know who you were talking to. Now go troll someone else. All that SP doesn't make you less stupid. No... You're stupid. Do you see how easy that is? And childish. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Spectre-M The Generals General Tso's Alliance 155	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:14:00 - [22] - Quote Make it pulse like a real radar. Fixed. Amarr Factional Warfare Loyalist Minnmatar in Amarr Armor I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:16:00 - [23] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Just stop trying to hide from the scanner and shoot them right in the face with a rail rifle when they find you. I get scanned 50 times a game but it means nothing if they cant beat me in a gun fight. This kind of thinking amuses me when you're whole team is getting rolled by a squad or two of full proto with scanners, because they know where your entire team is. I do just fine on my own in my radar tanked scout. Shooting people in the back all day long whistling dixie while I play. I am just trying to point out that fact that noobs and most people who aren't dampening are getting ROFL stomped in pubs and this is the exact reason why. And it is killing variety/fun factor in this game. Well then there is your problem your not in the right squad. At some point your going to come face to face with the other team and your squad has to be able to defend its self. I lone wolf a lot. Just delivering my observations. ok i understand you like running lone wolf but you better be a big bad wolf when you get scanned. I do understand that scanners are a problem but it evens out the game play when you have scanners and proto squads on both teams so the problem is your lone wolf pub tactics. 1. I don't have a problem when I lone wolf. 2. When has match making in this game EVER evened out teams? Seriously has this even EVER occurred? {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 320	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:19:00 - [24] - Quote I think they should increase the CPU/PG costs on all scanners drastically, and then give an inherent CPU/PG reduction for scanners for scouts. That way scouts get a role (scouting) and you see less of them on the field. There still needs to be some fine tuning on the cooldown so that you avoid the "you've been scanned" spam...
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 306	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:42:00 - [25] - Quote Full on electronic warfare is like winter. You lil whiney bitches are going to have to content with new situational awareness mechanics and im sorry honey boo boo but you're going to have to sacrifice some armor to stay hidden. You know what's more "OP" than you showing up on enemy radar? You not having one cause its scrambled AND showing up on enemy radar. Scanner, scrambling and voice comm denial were just the examples given by CCP Remnant at FF2013. Too many chumps want to have their cake and eat it too...tough ****! I wan#t to run around with full profile dampeners but you see there's a thing called damage that I have to mitigate so I equip armor. Boo hoo scanner is OP, I'm not going to accommodate the counter measures the game provides to combat it, I'ma just whine on the forums hoping that one day it will go away.... Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command 926	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:48:00 - [26] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Just stop trying to hide from the scanner and shoot them right in the face with a rail rifle when they find you. I get scanned 50 times a game but it means nothing if they cant beat me in a gun fight. This is what happens when I start thinking this. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED "Ok, I got this. C'mere, Cupcake." Guy runs around corner. We have a small shoot out. I come out on top with only a third of my armor missing "Now to go link up wi-" Three of the guy's squad mates pop out from around the corner/direction i'm about to go in Every. Single. Time. I'm cool with scanners though. I only use them when i'm in a squad and i've placed my up-links; it'd be hypocritical to rage at them. Lore-wise: Calamari are my preferred. Amarricans are my despised. Importantly: Frogs n' Brutes have all my stuff...
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:49:00 - [27] - Quote THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Full on electronic warfare is like winter. You lil whiney bitches are going to have to content with new situational awareness mechanics and im sorry honey boo boo but you're going to have to sacrifice some armor to stay hidden. You know what's more "OP" than you showing up on enemy radar? You not having one cause its scrambled AND showing up on enemy radar. Scanner, scrambling and voice comm denial were just the examples given by CCP Remnant at FF2013. Too many chumps want to have their cake and eat it too...tough ****! I wan#t to run around with full profile dampeners but you see there's a thing called damage that I have to mitigate so I equip armor. Boo hoo scanner is OP, I'm not going to accommodate the counter measures the game provides to combat it, I'ma just whine on the forums hoping that one day it will go away.... Dude did you even read anything I've said in this thread? {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1420	Posted - 2013.12.31 10:16:00 - [28] - Quote When we see 'some margin of error' we now know a dampened suit is in the immediate area and check flanks and behind us. Your dampening does literally nothing, active scanners need to be completely removed in my opinion.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.31 10:44:00 - [29] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: When we see 'some margin of error' we now know a dampened suit is in the immediate area and check flanks and behind us. Your dampening does literally nothing, active scanners need to be completely removed in my opinion. What they need to do is make a hard counter to it that goes in the equipment slot like a jammer or a ghost signal generator. {edit >>> and not four months from now. {:)}{3GÇó> "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick @$$, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 372	Posted - 2013.12.31 11:06:00 - [30] - Quote Does anyone remember that the devblog that announced the active scanner said that the wielder of the active scanner would show up on the radar of anyone within the scanner's range? If that was actually the case I believe we wouldn't be seeing the item being used quite as often. That said, a complex profile dampener does work wonders against scanners. It's just not something you can realistically spec into until you have about half a year worth of skillpoints under your belt, so I'm mostly concerned for our newer players.



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