-Not fast enough and not enough stamina for the amount of armor it looses
-Proto scouts gets scanned by proto scanners (proto scanner rougly 700k sp and proto scout is somewhere around 2.6 million) and then if you want to be unscannable you have to put on a complex dampener (700k sp) + you have to use one of your lows which either reduces tank, speed, and stamina
-Passive scan is utter sh*t on my proto scout, can't even see an enemy tank that is right next to me on the radar.
-They need to be cheaper because they die so fast (40k isk for the proto)
-need more CPU/PG


Other stuff that might make scout class special:
-shotgun be the weapon that is only usable by scouts....

u no like a heavies shotgunner ?

Hold up.

If scouts get a price nerf, than I demand my proto commando gets a price nerf.

94k isk for something with the same # slots as a basic sentinel and less ehp, a slower shield recharge rate and dies 90x faster is not a fair price.

Yes, Commando needs price reduction in a huge way. I don't even use them, but I can't figure out why they cost so much.

Yes, Commando needs price reduction in a huge way. I don't even use them, but I can't figure out why they cost so much.

Same here.....I honestly have no idea why

My twopenneth worth........please be gentle!

I would say to improve scouts how about the following?

Add say 20-30hp on base shield and armour values.

Add another 1m/s on base movement speed.

Base scan radius 20m rather than 16.

Am I right in thinking that Gallente scout suit level 5 and profile dampening level 5 means you can avoid pretty much being seen by most scanners and suits without having to run dampeners? (45db *0.65 = 29.25db)

Also, couple of quick questions:

1) Why do tanks never show up on your radar thing and jeeps only sporadically and 2) my clone never seems to run even when i click whichever stick it is. Is my game broken or is just not that obvious when your clone is running?

Ta!

How about this? When they release Cal Scout, give the bonus to nova knives to them and let them be the ninjas?

In exchange Min Scouts get passive bonuses to biotics? That way Gal scouts get to be the stealthy ones, and Min get to be the speedsters and the new guys get their race's knives back?

-Not fast enough and not enough stamina for the amount of armor it looses
-Proto scouts gets scanned by proto scanners (proto scanner rougly 700k sp and proto scout is somewhere around 2.6 million) and then if you want to be unscannable you have to put on a complex dampener (700k sp) + you have to use one of your lows which either reduces tank, speed, and stamina
-Passive scan is utter sh*t on my proto scout, can't even see an enemy tank that is right next to me on the radar.
-They need to be cheaper because they die so fast (40k isk for the proto)
-need more CPU/PG


Other stuff that might make scout class special:
-shotgun be the weapon that is only usable by scouts....

Restricting a weapon to a certain class is never a good idea. Making a weapon more effective in a certain class's hand, perfectly acceptable. The shotgun is amazing in the hands of a Gallente Scout. Or is on a theoretical level, in practice it does better in a Gallente Assault or Gallente Logi's hands.

Just a correction: SP investment on an Active Scanner is 900K-1MSP, it has a x3 multiplier on the skill.
SP invesment on Range Amplification and Precision Enhancement is twice that, as both of them have a x3 multiplier.
Everyone has to use the dampening skill to avoid scanners to that SP requirement should be ignored.
Yes, it is completely unbalanced that a single equipment slot is more effective than 4 low slots (4 range amplifiers) and 1 high slot (precision enhancer)
IMO: buff passive scanning on all scout suits, nerf active scanners a comparable amount to make it a competitive choice rather than Gallente Scouts roaming around with Active Scanners.

I think, like in pre-uprising that the light frames scould cost less, the heavy frames cost more, but as someone pointed out the ridiculous cost of the commando, it should not be the prices they used to be. It should probably only be 5-10k difference.

They need more CPU/PG, they also need their 6th slot back

-Not fast enough and not enough stamina for the amount of armor it looses
-Proto scouts gets scanned by proto scanners (proto scanner rougly 700k sp and proto scout is somewhere around 2.6 million) and then if you want to be unscannable you have to put on a complex dampener (700k sp) + you have to use one of your lows which either reduces tank, speed, and stamina
-Passive scan is utter sh*t on my proto scout, can't even see an enemy tank that is right next to me on the radar.
-They need to be cheaper because they die so fast (40k isk for the proto)
-need more CPU/PG


Other stuff that might make scout class special:
-shotgun be the weapon that is only usable by scouts....

I would need a buff to heavy frame effectiveness to history a price increase; they'd not be worth the cost should they undergo a price hike.

-Not fast enough and not enough stamina for the amount of armor it looses
-Proto scouts gets scanned by proto scanners (proto scanner rougly 700k sp and proto scout is somewhere around 2.6 million) and then if you want to be unscannable you have to put on a complex dampener (700k sp) + you have to use one of your lows which either reduces tank, speed, and stamina
-Passive scan is utter sh*t on my proto scout, can't even see an enemy tank that is right next to me on the radar.
-They need to be cheaper because they die so fast (40k isk for the proto)
-need more CPU/PG


Other stuff that might make scout class special:
-shotgun be the weapon that is only usable by scouts....

Scouts need +1 H or L slot (2/4 for gal, 3/3 for min), + 1 equipment Slot and a small PG and CPU buff (I would suggest 66PG and 275 CPU on Proto). Additionally they need their scanradius reverted back to 25m and and a scan profile of 35 with scan precision 30 so they can perform their scout tasks better.

And of course they need better bonusses, but this is already in the pipe as it seems.

Increasing speed is tricky they get the nerf due to technical limitations of the game/PS3 so if you want scouts to be faster you need to make the other suits slower...

If we use your numbers, the Gallente Scout with max precision enhancement/range amplification and proto modules for both would have a 21.6dB scan precision and 160.75m scan radius, along with a profile of 23.62dB (only from passives). If you dropped all range amplifiers you'd still be at 56.25m due to passive skills alone. That's pretty ridiculous.

-Not fast enough and not enough stamina for the amount of armor it looses
-Proto scouts gets scanned by proto scanners (proto scanner rougly 700k sp and proto scout is somewhere around 2.6 million) and then if you want to be unscannable you have to put on a complex dampener (700k sp) + you have to use one of your lows which either reduces tank, speed, and stamina
-Passive scan is utter sh*t on my proto scout, can't even see an enemy tank that is right next to me on the radar.
-They need to be cheaper because they die so fast (40k isk for the proto)
-need more CPU/PG


Other stuff that might make scout class special:
-shotgun be the weapon that is only usable by scouts....

Everyone seems to focus on the gallente suit like its the only one in the game, because it's the only usable choice.

The minmatar makes a joke of the suit, people picked it before scanners came out an when stamina wasn't a issue an sneaking up on someone with knives was easy because scanning an active scanners an profile damp wasn't a issue then, passive skill bonuses without mods was good enough, BUT NOT NOW!

Two low slots on a scout suit in a low slot favored game is just flat out idiotic!
You need , range , percision an damping skills to 5 ( except pd cuz really there's no point since you can't beat 15db anyway) an the gallente works the same for percision , you need it to five for passive but when are you ever gonna run true scout suits like:

Mk0
2complex percision
Shield
Complex range
Basic pd
Compact hive ( YOU MUST RUN THIS TO LIVE , SO THERE FOR YOU HAVE NO EQUIPMENT SLOT!)

This suit can see an scan like a scout should, but it has crap speed, crap stamina an 285 ehp! With all upgrade skills maxed!

Gk0
Complex percision( leaves u with 87 shields!)
If you don't run a armor rep, you MUST lose a equip slot to a compact hive .
Then you need one pd
Now you have two slots left one for range, one for HP
So now your slow, no stamina an hardly any HP !

Med an heavies basically need HP (shield /armor) an damage mods.

Scouts need, stamina, speed, percision , range, HP ( shield/armor) armor rep, dampeners, compact hives, all to be juggled on a suit with the lowest slots an LEAST amount of CPU/pg then you gotta max your grid an fitting optimization just to fit this crap an too boot, nova knives don't have a optization skill an unless your gallente you can hardly fill all your slots with good gear at proto without abandoning a grenade or usin a proto an basic weapon!

Scouts either need a +1 armor regen so they can use their equip( especially minmatar , all suits have it except the scout) or they need better base stats so their not left juggling stuff they will never fit or skill mods they will never use for a crappy 10% bonus an drop millions of sp to hardly have a passive edge for the things the suit should already have!

These are the true scout flaws, I have both proto an have been a pure scout for a year an honestly ccp doesn't care , we ve all wasted our breath an precious time typing for a year for what a 6 meter scan buff?!!

Common ccp get it together !