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Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 399	Posted - 2013.12.27 10:45:00 - [31] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Scouts need +1 H or L slot (2/4 for gal, 3/3 for min), + 1 equipment Slot and a small PG and CPU buff (I would suggest 66PG and 275 CPU on Proto). Additionally they need their scanradius reverted back to 25m and and a scan profile of 35 with scan precision 30 so they can perform their scout tasks better. And of course they need better bonusses, but this is already in the pipe as it seems. Increasing speed is tricky they get the nerf due to technical limitations of the game/PS3 so if you want scouts to be faster you need to make the other suits slower... If we use your numbers, the Gallente Scout with max precision enhancement/range amplification and proto modules for both would have a 21.6dB scan precision and 160.75m scan radius, along with a profile of 23.62dB (only from passives). If you dropped all range amplifiers you'd still be at 56.25m due to passive skills alone. That's pretty ridiculous. No its not you have to consider the SP investment to achieve this and still all this can be beaten by one scanner. The current situation is ridiculus where a maxed scout with maxed dampening This alone is more tham 3 mill SP) can be beaten by stupid piece of equipment for roughly 1 mil SP. And scanning is (based on the current skill bonus) the main task for the gal scout. But still a active scanner can do this better for less SP. Lastly don't expect the current bonus to scanrange to stay. Scouts need something where they excel in the current state they get beaten in nearly every aspects by medium suits and therefore they have no role on the battlefield. The scout suit was the suit that get nerfed the most with uprising and that for no real reason. The only thing that made scouts pertly op in Chromosome was the bad hitdetection but CCP fixed the HD but forget to fix the scout...
Toby Flenderson research lab 170	Posted - 2013.12.27 12:21:00 - [32] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: -Not fast enough and not enough stamina for the amount of armor it looses -Proto scouts gets scanned by proto scanners (proto scanner rougly 700k sp and proto scout is somewhere around 2.6 million) and then if you want to be unscannable you have to put on a complex dampener (700k sp) + you have to use one of your lows which either reduces tank, speed, and stamina -Passive scan is utter sh*t on my proto scout, can't even see an enemy tank that is right next to me on the radar. -They need to be cheaper because they die so fast (40k isk for the proto) -need more CPU/PG Other stuff that might make scout class special: -shotgun be the weapon that is only usable by scouts.... -not fast enough to dodge bullets but fast enough to flank effectively. -scouts should not be automatically undetectable at proto level. They beat advanced scanners with their passive bonus. Isn't that enough? Imagine being invisible all the time no matter what. People would just armor tank gal scouts like assault characters. -Passive scan is why I use the scout and is what made me post. With the proto gal scout and lvl 5 range amplification you get something like 30m+ passive scan. This is ridiculous already. I throw on a few complex amplifiers and get nearly my entire minimap lit up like a scanner does. You could not be more wrong about how useful/effective "scan tanking" is. -they have less health. It doesn't mean they die faster. Think about it. -I can't argue for or against this as I have not maxed out my core skills so until then I can never complain that they do not have enough CPU/PG. My go to suit to have fun with is a blueprint gal scout with toxin smg and flaylock pistol. I have maybe 120 shield and 250 armor and still manage to have at least a 2:1 or 3:1 kd. I'm not trying to turn this into a "get good" comment but it really isn't for everyone and if it can't be done with the scout suits with the 16m scan range then you may want to just use a different suit.
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 923	Posted - 2013.12.28 05:24:00 - [33] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Everyone seems to focus on the gallente suit like its the only one in the game, because it's the only usable choice. The minmatar makes a joke of the suit, people picked it before scanners came out an when stamina wasn't a issue an sneaking up on someone with knives was easy because scanning an active scanners an profile damp wasn't a issue then, passive skill bonuses without mods was good enough, BUT NOT NOW! Two low slots on a scout suit in a low slot favored game is just flat out idiotic! You need , range , percision an damping skills to 5 ( except pd cuz really there's no point since you can't beat 15db anyway) an the gallente works the same for percision , you need it to five for passive but when are you ever gonna run true scout suits like: Mk0 2complex percision Shield Complex range Basic pd Compact hive ( YOU MUST RUN THIS TO LIVE , SO THERE FOR YOU HAVE NO EQUIPMENT SLOT!) This suit can see an scan like a scout should, but it has crap speed, crap stamina an 285 ehp! With all upgrade skills maxed! Gk0 Complex percision( leaves u with 87 shields!) If you don't run a armor rep, you MUST lose a equip slot to a compact hive . Then you need one pd Now you have two slots left one for range, one for HP So now your slow, no stamina an hardly any HP ! Med an heavies basically need HP (shield /armor) an damage mods. Scouts need, stamina, speed, percision , range, HP ( shield/armor) armor rep, dampeners, compact hives, all to be juggled on a suit with the lowest slots an LEAST amount of CPU/pg then you gotta max your grid an fitting optimization just to fit this crap an too boot, nova knives don't have a optization skill an unless your gallente you can hardly fill all your slots with good gear at proto without abandoning a grenade or usin a proto an basic weapon! Scouts either need a +1 armor regen so they can use their equip( especially minmatar , all suits have it except the scout) or they need better base stats so their not left juggling stuff they will never fit or skill mods they will never use for a crappy 10% bonus an drop millions of sp to hardly have a passive edge for the things the suit should already have! These are the true scout flaws, I have both proto an have been a pure scout for a year an honestly ccp doesn't care , we ve all wasted our breath an precious time typing for a year for what a 6 meter scan buff?!! Common ccp get it together ! please ccp make us op lol
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 923	Posted - 2013.12.28 05:27:00 - [34] - Quote I'm proud of my 1.06 kd


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