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Defy Gravity
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.21 20:35:00 -
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AV Weaponry is already ruined anyways. So ALOT of people need a respec on that level.
Amarr FW Supporter.
"I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
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boba's fetta
Operation Clone Shield
126
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Posted - 2013.12.21 20:36:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:boba's fetta wrote:no respec. full stop. live with your damm mistakes and stop acting like kids. wha wha they nerfed my stuff i want to respec into the flavour of the month then ill cry for more respecs when that gets nerfed. Well CCP has expressed a fairly strong interest in paid respecs if nothing else, so instead of just posting contrived dribble that offers nothing to the discussion or thread, nor holds any form of substance, perhaps think before you post. Respecs have been a part of DUST for as long as it's been around, and if CCPs own inclinations are any indication, they will be around for a long time to come. perhaps you should take your own advice. and yes repecs have been in eve for ages. but they dont change the sp you already have only the sp you will get.
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Defy Gravity
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
157
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Posted - 2013.12.21 20:40:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:tl;dr Respecs don't have a purpose in Dust. They actually do.... If they had something reasonable like ( 20$ a respec ) CCP would be making money & players who feel there skill set isn't exactly what they wanted and the ( For Example ) want to change from Infantry to vehicles, they could. This game really needs something like this.... It will change dust forever but it will be a positive change. Negative effects would be overtime & supervised by CCP
Amarr FW Supporter.
"I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
1826
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Posted - 2013.12.21 20:55:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Jadd Hatchen wrote:You are completely wrong.
We are still beta because we still haven't finished the verisimilitude of the races. There are NO Amarr and Caldari vehicles, buildings, turrets, etc. There are no Heavy class suits except for Amar and only two types of Heavy Weapons: one for Caldari and one for Minmatar. There still is no sidearm for the Caldari or the Gallente. There are no Amarr or Caldari Light Suits. There are still only MCC's for the Caldari and Gallente (no Amarr or Minmatar). So you are wrong. Once they have these BARE MINIMUM things to make the game able to be fielded by any race, then I would agree with the rest of changes being additions to the game and "extra" content. But right now there is NO LEVEL PLAYING FIELD due to unbalance verisimilitude. So it's still technically BETA and respecs are warranted. No, you are wrong. You just don't understand the game. We are not in Beta anymore. Yeah, sure stuff is missing. But how will this continue? We will get the racial weapons, vehicles and dropsuites. Will we leave beta then in your opinion? But when we do then what about the hazard suites? The devs already said we will get suites for each type of planet which will give bonuses. Is the game then complete? But then again there are still new vehicles coming. MAVs will come. Do we leave beta then? But then there is the pilot suit which is currently missing. You just don't understand how Dust works. The game will NEVER be complete. There will be new content all the time. It doesn't matter if its all racial dropsuits or if vehicles. Content will be added as long as Dust will exist. You can't draw a line like that. The missing racial dropsuits and so on are just new items like all the other stuff that will be added in the future. And if you give people another respec now it will always be unfair to not give other people a respec when new stuff comes out in which they want to spec into. You are use skills which cost 1,2 million SP to max out to justify respecs. 2 million SP is something you get in 4 weeks. This is by far no reason for a respec at all. Quote:I *can* spec into anything except the things that I really want to. Things like a Minmatar Assault Dropship with Autocannons of Death. A Minmatar tank with an Artillery Cannon. A Minmatar Heavy to use that HMG. Until then, I am penalized by CCP and have to use crap that I hate. That is why respec is warranted. Then save the SP. Nobody forces you to use them right now. You are just unpatient. You want to spec stuff now but you don't want to wait to get the racial suit you are waiting for now to level 5. You want to use SP now even though you KNOW there is stuff down the line you want more. And you can't be bothered to only spend SP when you have more than 2 million on your SP bank? If you don't like it, then don't play. Simple as that. You act like you have to play it. Hint: You don't. CCP doesn't force you to play. You can simply wait until the stuff you want to use is in the game. Quote:Actually WOW is where the respec comes from! As that level 90 Warrior you have a choice of three types to play: DPS, Tank, or Other. All you have to do is pay for a respec in the game to do it. In this game we are ALL mercs and thus just respecing into different aspecs of that. The "other class" is to play EVE and be a pilot. That's why I started this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread No. This is NOT the other class. The other class is being a tanker, a dropship pilot, a heavy, a scout, a logi. These are your "classes" so to speak. If you see merc as a class, then "hero" would be your class in WoW. But the class is the specilization. Quote:And saving up SP is like hiding your money under your mattress it's HUGE WASTE as it's sitting there doing NOTHING! Sp not used is SP being wasted and the longer you hold onto it the more it is wasted. I cannot just sit on 10+ million SP hoping that one day soonGäó CCP will finally fix the verisimilitude in this game. If I did that then I would be of no use to my corp in PC matches, of no use to my faction in FW, and no use at all to the devs of this game when it comes to providing a challenge to other players and testing out how gameplay actually works! Yeah. You want to use SP now on skills you will need sooner or later anyways, but you suddenly don't want them anymore when you see the opportunity to spec into a shiny new item. You want to benefit from spending SP now and then you think you are entitled to a respec. This is not how it works. You're just unpatient, spoiled and entitled. You want to spend everything on the spot and think everybody should give you what you demand. You want to benefit from these SP now until there is something you would like more. Let me ask you something. if you want to play heavy now, then why would you skill into the CR? Why? THere is no reason. The SP you say are wasted when you don't spend them are also wasted when you spend them into something you won't use. I personally have at least 5 million SP "wasted" because I spend them into equipment I don't use all the time. Why would it hurt you to just save these up instead of spending them? When you use a suit there will always be skills which don't effect the suit you currently run. Basically all skills which aren't core skills fall under that category. So the "You won't be useful" argument doesn't work here... at all. Quote:As for the "annoncements" so you have time to save up SP idea,... They were announced with 1.5. We knew about them even way before that and you want to tell me you didn't have enough time to save up for them? [QUOTE}Your arguments fail ...
Impatient fyi
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4869
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Posted - 2013.12.21 21:01:00 -
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EXTREMELY unlikely.
If that made you sad, you can sob on my shoulder.
Just don't wet my fur.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Akdhar Saif
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2013.12.21 21:07:00 -
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Respecs stop people from buying AUR so I guess we won't be getting any unless CCP feel they've somehow cheated the playerbase. |
Delta90212
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
118
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Posted - 2013.12.21 22:12:00 -
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plz
Fear my Minmatarian brothers.
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Poultryge1st
Da Short Buss
16
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Posted - 2013.12.21 22:33:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Sum1ne Else wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:No. Because you don't understand the reason for respecs at all. Your point is invalid. This is the most expensive free-to-play (or some call it free-to-pay) game ever. I have played since the 1st day of closed Beta, and have been an asset to this game, giving feedback where possible. The is my feedback for this STILL beta phase game-Full Respec is needed. Christmas is around the corner, all these PS4s Santa is delivering-come on, give us a reason to continue to play. No it's not. If you want to look at it that way Dust will NEVER leave beta. They will always change things. Suits will be nerfed, weapons will be buffed, vehicles added. What you spec into now will not stay the same. Besides that, I don't know how often I will have to say this, you get unlimited SP and you can spec into everything. There is not a single thing denying you to spec into tanks after you specced into infantry or vice versa. Additionally: No other game allows for such kind of a respec AT ALL. If you play WoW and have your Level 90 Warrior the game will not allow you to suddenly change your warrior to become a mage. No game does this. All they allow is to reassign your skillpoints for your current class because the skillpoints in these games are limited. The vehicle respec was needed. it was no favor to the vehicle users. It was needed because they changed the entire skill tree so that the SP vehicle users had already invested couldn't be transitioned to the new skilltree. This was the reason for the respec. Because of this you will never see another respec in Dust unless CCP decides the infantry skilltree is ****** up and needs to be completely reworked. So instead of QQing all the time and starting 300 respec threads just learn to deal with it and save up your SP instead of wasting them on stuff you don't need. Because the whining never stops this is what I assume all you people do. I too made mistakes while speccing. I leveled Caldari Assault to Level 3 even though I don't use it at all. But instead of whining for a respec I just did what every single normal person would do: Just live with it and spend the next SP I get all the time into the suit I really want to use. It works wonders. And no: There won't be a respec after all racial suits and all missing weapons are released either. First of all it is very well possible that they will release even more suits and weapons in the future. Also you can just save up for new items all the time. Geez. Even the RR and CR were announced early enough so you could say: I want to use them! Let's save up some SP! That's what I did. 2 weeks before they came out. And on patch day I was able to get both of them to level 5. It is so extremely simple. Tl;dr There is not a single reason for a respec unless CCP thinks it is in order to rebuild a whole skilltree.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
166
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Posted - 2013.12.21 22:35:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Sum1ne Else wrote:[quote=Aikuchi Tomaru]No. Because you don't understand the reason for respecs at all. Your point is invalid. *stuff* I can't wait till we get a respec. I'm going to full on Nelson at your posts. bioware has the GI not CCP
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
166
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Posted - 2013.12.21 22:38:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:EXTREMELY unlikely.
If that made you sad, you can sob on my shoulder.
Just don't wet my fur. nah i need you to lye? down on my lap in a ball
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
634
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Posted - 2013.12.21 22:47:00 -
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boba's fetta wrote:no respec. full stop. live with your damm mistakes and stop acting like kids. wha wha they nerfed my stuff i want to respec into the flavour of the month then ill cry for more respecs when that gets nerfed. Do you have all the time in the world? thats the problem with this freaking game. you spend months to get what you want and then they nerf it. Yea thats not living with my choices. Its not a mistake you stupid tool. I hope they nerf everything you use and i hope it takes you over half a year to skill into what you want. |
Spaceman-Rob
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
281
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Posted - 2013.12.21 23:28:00 -
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Would be the best Cristmas present if we did get one, i would spec into heavies and scouts, and sort out my core skills. |
Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
350
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Posted - 2013.12.22 00:26:00 -
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What if we had a respec system that you paid based on the amount of so you wanted to respec?
Suppose you have 100,000 in a skill you want to change. That costs 1,000 aurum. Want to respec 200,000? Costs 2,000 aurum
Numbers can change but you get the point. |
Sum1ne Else
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
838
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Posted - 2013.12.22 22:01:00 -
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Wow didn't think this would have such an I pact
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
169
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Posted - 2013.12.22 22:05:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:What if we had a respec system that you paid based on the amount of so you wanted to respec?
Suppose you have 100,000 in a skill you want to change. That costs 1,000 aurum. Want to respec 200,000? Costs 2,000 aurum
Numbers can change but you get the point. full respec for 5,000 aurum i have 10k aurum
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ThePlayerkyle13
PlayerArmy Industries
31
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Posted - 2013.12.23 00:31:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:No. Because you don't understand the reason for respecs at all.
Dude, are you a scrouge? Xmas is all about giving & this is a great Xmas present to all the good little Mercs of New Eden, besides DUST514 is still in beta & most people having tried everything out in 1.7 like Rail Rifle, Combat Rifle, New Vehicle Skill Tree & Mods etc...
Join my Corp HERE
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Jetti Daxcide
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
37
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Posted - 2013.12.23 00:34:00 -
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i could get down with this lol
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Sky Kage
Immortal Guides
599
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Posted - 2013.12.23 00:39:00 -
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I wish.
I die alot AND have fun... Who knew?
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
301
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Posted - 2014.01.08 21:33:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:No, you are wrong. You just don't understand the game. We are not in Beta anymore. Yeah, sure stuff is missing. But how will this continue? We will get the racial weapons, vehicles and dropsuites. Will we leave beta then in your opinion? But when we do then what about the hazard suites? The devs already said we will get suites for each type of planet which will give bonuses. Is the game then complete? But then again there are still new vehicles coming. MAVs will come. Do we leave beta then? But then there is the pilot suit which is currently missing. You just don't understand how Dust works. The game will NEVER be complete. There will be new content all the time. It doesn't matter if its all racial dropsuits or if vehicles. Content will be added as long as Dust will exist. You can't draw a line like that. The missing racial dropsuits and so on are just new items like all the other stuff that will be added in the future. And if you give people another respec now it will always be unfair to not give other people a respec when new stuff comes out in which they want to spec into. You are use skills which cost 1,2 million SP to max out to justify respecs. 2 million SP is something you get in 4 weeks. This is by far no reason for a respec at all.
Again you just don't get it do you? If every race only had medium assault and light scout suits, and there were only LAV's but with all FOUR racial versions of them, then I would agree with you. However that is NOT the case. Instead one race has heavy suits off the bat an NO OTHER race has them. Only TWO RACES have any vehicles and the weapons that go with them. How is that fair? How is that balanced? In EVE when they started off they didn't say Caldari only get cruisers while Amarr are the only race to get battleships did they? NO they didn't. They gave everyone frigates and cruisers! EVERYONE! No just a race here or there. That is the one of the worst problems of DUST right now is that they forgot to balance things out and maintain the verisimilitude of the races.
Quote:Then save the SP. Nobody forces you to use them right now. You are just unpatient. You want to spec stuff now but you don't want to wait to get the racial suit you are waiting for now to level 5. You want to use SP now even though you KNOW there is stuff down the line you want more. And you can't be bothered to only spend SP when you have more than 2 million on your SP bank?
If you don't like it, then don't play. Simple as that. You act like you have to play it. Hint: You don't. CCP doesn't force you to play. You can simply wait until the stuff you want to use is in the game.
So running around with 0 SP spent into anything with 20+ million in the bank makes sense to you? Right now people are trying to claim districts, you gonna pick the guy that has 20+ million SP and NONE of it spent on anything? Because for the stuff that *I* want to use the SP on, they have NOT implemented it into the game yet. There are non Minmatar dropships and tanks, so what do I do now? Your argument makes no sense!
Quote:No. This is NOT the other class. The other class is being a tanker, a dropship pilot, a heavy, a scout, a logi. These are your "classes" so to speak. If you see merc as a class, then "hero" would be your class in WoW. But the class is the specilization.
Then by your logic, CCP only allowed the Amarr Race to have the "Heavy" class. How is that fair? The Caldari and Galente are the only ones that can be pilots or tankers. But even by your own words, they are NOT classes, they are "specializations."
Quote:Yeah. You want to use SP now on skills you will need sooner or later anyways, but you suddenly don't want them anymore when you see the opportunity to spec into a shiny new item. You want to benefit from spending SP now and then you think you are entitled to a respec. This is not how it works. You're just unpatient, spoiled and entitled. You want to spend everything on the spot and think everybody should give you what you demand. You want to benefit from these SP now until there is something you would like more.
Let me ask you something. if you want to play heavy now, then why would you skill into the CR? Why? THere is no reason. The SP you say are wasted when you don't spend them are also wasted when you spend them into something you won't use. I personally have at least 5 million SP "wasted" because I spend them into equipment I don't use all the time. Why would it hurt you to just save these up instead of spending them? When you use a suit there will always be skills which don't effect the suit you currently run. Basically all skills which aren't core skills fall under that category.
So the "You won't be useful" argument doesn't work here... at all.
Jesus Christ dude! READ WHAT I POSTED. I don't give a God Damn about "shiney new" bullshit! I only want the stuff that goes with MY race that I play in the game! Just because it happened to be included last doesn't mean that the ONLY ******* reason I wanted it was because it was new! Obviously since this is the only way in which you can come to comprehend this, then you must operate on this level yourself. DON'T PUSH YOUR IDIOCY ONTO ME!
Quote:They were announced with 1.5. We knew about them even way before that and you want to tell me you didn't have enough time to save up for them?
They announced MTACs before the closed beta was ever released, are you saving SPs for that! There was no definite "THIS WILL BE IN PATCH" until like 3 weeks prior and that was not enough time!
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
301
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Posted - 2014.01.08 21:37:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Jadd Hatchen wrote:But some of us weren't lucky enough to have CCP magically start the game off with the suits, weapons, and vehicles that we happened to want.
CCP fix the verisimilitude!
Thats the same way EvE did it. You never got a respec because a new ship or weapon came out.
No it was not! In EVE all FOUR races would get the same class of ship or weapon AT THE SAME TIME! Show me where anyone other than Amarr has a heavy suit? Show me where my Minmatar tanks and dropships are at?
That is the problem.
If they had just made all races start off the same, then no problems, but they didn't and now we have all kinds of imbalances and broken crap.
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Sum1ne Else
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
841
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Posted - 2014.01.09 16:13:00 -
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So.. no respec? I come back to open my presents from CCP and after all those purchases I made for Elite/Veteran/Merc packs I get nothing! What is this.. Ok just nerf me. Oh wait you did. Caldari Logi sucks-wasted points, now you are changing my Amarr Assault..what is this, go pick on Sum1ne Else, oh wait thats me clearly you have. FAIL CCP EPIC FAIL. Closed Beta Vet-OUT bye Dust 'Broke ass game' every member of the community 2012-2014
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Sum1ne Else
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
841
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Posted - 2014.01.10 15:11:00 -
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Respec is needed this game is B$
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