DUST Search - 25th December FULL RESPEC from CCP Santa?

Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:

Jadd Hatchen wrote:

You are completely wrong.

We are still beta because we still haven't finished the verisimilitude of the races. There are NO Amarr and Caldari vehicles, buildings, turrets, etc. There are no Heavy class suits except for Amar and only two types of Heavy Weapons: one for Caldari and one for Minmatar. There still is no sidearm for the Caldari or the Gallente. There are no Amarr or Caldari Light Suits. There are still only MCC's for the Caldari and Gallente (no Amarr or Minmatar). So you are wrong. Once they have these BARE MINIMUM things to make the game able to be fielded by any race, then I would agree with the rest of changes being additions to the game and "extra" content. But right now there is NO LEVEL PLAYING FIELD due to unbalance verisimilitude. So it's still technically BETA and respecs are warranted.

No, you are wrong. You just don't understand the game. We are not in Beta anymore. Yeah, sure stuff is missing. But how will this continue? We will get the racial weapons, vehicles and dropsuites. Will we leave beta then in your opinion? But when we do then what about the hazard suites? The devs already said we will get suites for each type of planet which will give bonuses. Is the game then complete? But then again there are still new vehicles coming. MAVs will come. Do we leave beta then? But then there is the pilot suit which is currently missing. You just don't understand how Dust works. The game will NEVER be complete. There will be new content all the time. It doesn't matter if its all racial dropsuits or if vehicles. Content will be added as long as Dust will exist. You can't draw a line like that. The missing racial dropsuits and so on are just new items like all the other stuff that will be added in the future. And if you give people another respec now it will always be unfair to not give other people a respec when new stuff comes out in which they want to spec into. You are use skills which cost 1,2 million SP to max out to justify respecs. 2 million SP is something you get in 4 weeks. This is by far no reason for a respec at all.

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I *can* spec into anything except the things that I really want to. Things like a Minmatar Assault Dropship with Autocannons of Death. A Minmatar tank with an Artillery Cannon. A Minmatar Heavy to use that HMG. Until then, I am penalized by CCP and have to use crap that I hate. That is why respec is warranted.

Then save the SP. Nobody forces you to use them right now. You are just unpatient. You want to spec stuff now but you don't want to wait to get the racial suit you are waiting for now to level 5. You want to use SP now even though you KNOW there is stuff down the line you want more. And you can't be bothered to only spend SP when you have more than 2 million on your SP bank?

If you don't like it, then don't play. Simple as that. You act like you have to play it. Hint: You don't. CCP doesn't force you to play. You can simply wait until the stuff you want to use is in the game.

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Actually WOW is where the respec comes from! As that level 90 Warrior you have a choice of three types to play: DPS, Tank, or Other. All you have to do is pay for a respec in the game to do it. In this game we are ALL mercs and thus just respecing into different aspecs of that. The "other class" is to play EVE and be a pilot. That's why I started this thread:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread

No. This is NOT the other class. The other class is being a tanker, a dropship pilot, a heavy, a scout, a logi. These are your "classes" so to speak. If you see merc as a class, then "hero" would be your class in WoW. But the class is the specilization.

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And saving up SP is like hiding your money under your mattress it's HUGE WASTE as it's sitting there doing NOTHING! Sp not used is SP being wasted and the longer you hold onto it the more it is wasted. I cannot just sit on 10+ million SP hoping that one day soonGäó CCP will finally fix the verisimilitude in this game. If I did that then I would be of no use to my corp in PC matches, of no use to my faction in FW, and no use at all to the devs of this game when it comes to providing a challenge to other players and testing out how gameplay actually works!

Yeah. You want to use SP now on skills you will need sooner or later anyways, but you suddenly don't want them anymore when you see the opportunity to spec into a shiny new item. You want to benefit from spending SP now and then you think you are entitled to a respec. This is not how it works. You're just unpatient, spoiled and entitled. You want to spend everything on the spot and think everybody should give you what you demand. You want to benefit from these SP now until there is something you would like more.

Let me ask you something. if you want to play heavy now, then why would you skill into the CR? Why? THere is no reason. The SP you say are wasted when you don't spend them are also wasted when you spend them into something you won't use. I personally have at least 5 million SP "wasted" because I spend them into equipment I don't use all the time. Why would it hurt you to just save these up instead of spending them? When you use a suit there will always be skills which don't effect the suit you currently run. Basically all skills which aren't core skills fall under that category.

So the "You won't be useful" argument doesn't work here... at all.

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As for the "annoncements" so you have time to save up SP idea,...

They were announced with 1.5. We knew about them even way before that and you want to tell me you didn't have enough time to save up for them?

[QUOTE}Your arguments fail ...


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TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1826	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:55:00 - [1] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Jadd Hatchen wrote: You are completely wrong. We are still beta because we still haven't finished the verisimilitude of the races. There are NO Amarr and Caldari vehicles, buildings, turrets, etc. There are no Heavy class suits except for Amar and only two types of Heavy Weapons: one for Caldari and one for Minmatar. There still is no sidearm for the Caldari or the Gallente. There are no Amarr or Caldari Light Suits. There are still only MCC's for the Caldari and Gallente (no Amarr or Minmatar). So you are wrong. Once they have these BARE MINIMUM things to make the game able to be fielded by any race, then I would agree with the rest of changes being additions to the game and "extra" content. But right now there is NO LEVEL PLAYING FIELD due to unbalance verisimilitude. So it's still technically BETA and respecs are warranted. No, you are wrong. You just don't understand the game. We are not in Beta anymore. Yeah, sure stuff is missing. But how will this continue? We will get the racial weapons, vehicles and dropsuites. Will we leave beta then in your opinion? But when we do then what about the hazard suites? The devs already said we will get suites for each type of planet which will give bonuses. Is the game then complete? But then again there are still new vehicles coming. MAVs will come. Do we leave beta then? But then there is the pilot suit which is currently missing. You just don't understand how Dust works. The game will NEVER be complete. There will be new content all the time. It doesn't matter if its all racial dropsuits or if vehicles. Content will be added as long as Dust will exist. You can't draw a line like that. The missing racial dropsuits and so on are just new items like all the other stuff that will be added in the future. And if you give people another respec now it will always be unfair to not give other people a respec when new stuff comes out in which they want to spec into. You are use skills which cost 1,2 million SP to max out to justify respecs. 2 million SP is something you get in 4 weeks. This is by far no reason for a respec at all. Quote: I can spec into anything except the things that I really want to. Things like a Minmatar Assault Dropship with Autocannons of Death. A Minmatar tank with an Artillery Cannon. A Minmatar Heavy to use that HMG. Until then, I am penalized by CCP and have to use crap that I hate. That is why respec is warranted. Then save the SP. Nobody forces you to use them right now. You are just unpatient. You want to spec stuff now but you don't want to wait to get the racial suit you are waiting for now to level 5. You want to use SP now even though you KNOW there is stuff down the line you want more. And you can't be bothered to only spend SP when you have more than 2 million on your SP bank? If you don't like it, then don't play. Simple as that. You act like you have to play it. Hint: You don't. CCP doesn't force you to play. You can simply wait until the stuff you want to use is in the game. Quote: Actually WOW is where the respec comes from! As that level 90 Warrior you have a choice of three types to play: DPS, Tank, or Other. All you have to do is pay for a respec in the game to do it. In this game we are ALL mercs and thus just respecing into different aspecs of that. The "other class" is to play EVE and be a pilot. That's why I started this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread No. This is NOT the other class. The other class is being a tanker, a dropship pilot, a heavy, a scout, a logi. These are your "classes" so to speak. If you see merc as a class, then "hero" would be your class in WoW. But the class is the specilization. Quote: And saving up SP is like hiding your money under your mattress it's HUGE WASTE as it's sitting there doing NOTHING! Sp not used is SP being wasted and the longer you hold onto it the more it is wasted. I cannot just sit on 10+ million SP hoping that one day soonGäó CCP will finally fix the verisimilitude in this game. If I did that then I would be of no use to my corp in PC matches, of no use to my faction in FW, and no use at all to the devs of this game when it comes to providing a challenge to other players and testing out how gameplay actually works! Yeah. You want to use SP now on skills you will need sooner or later anyways, but you suddenly don't want them anymore when you see the opportunity to spec into a shiny new item. You want to benefit from spending SP now and then you think you are entitled to a respec. This is not how it works. You're just unpatient, spoiled and entitled. You want to spend everything on the spot and think everybody should give you what you demand. You want to benefit from these SP now until there is something you would like more. Let me ask you something. if you want to play heavy now, then why would you skill into the CR? Why? THere is no reason. The SP you say are wasted when you don't spend them are also wasted when you spend them into something you won't use. I personally have at least 5 million SP "wasted" because I spend them into equipment I don't use all the time. Why would it hurt you to just save these up instead of spending them? When you use a suit there will always be skills which don't effect the suit you currently run. Basically all skills which aren't core skills fall under that category. So the "You won't be useful" argument doesn't work here... at all. Quote: As for the "annoncements" so you have time to save up SP idea,... They were announced with 1.5. We knew about them even way before that and you want to tell me you didn't have enough time to save up for them? [QUOTE}Your arguments fail ... Impatient fyi Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.