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Sum1ne Else
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:01:00 -
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Public Relations WJR
Its a leopleuradon Charlie a magical leoplueradon, its gunna guide our way to candy mountain!
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Vulcanus Lightbringer
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:07:00 -
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That would be orgasmic. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:08:00 -
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I'd love to max out my Incubus
Vids / O7
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:09:00 -
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No. Because you don't understand the reason for respecs at all. |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:11:00 -
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Yeah, I've not really thought about it in a long while, and am not sure I'd change anything but it would be great for those who actually need it.
What say you CCP Santa?
Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó
Trained Skills
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1544
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:13:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:No. Because you don't understand the reason for respecs at all. It's not fair that those that want to be full-on pilots get a full respec because they finished what they needed for vehicles, then went into a secondary role with infantry because it's cheaper, safer, easier, and more reliable.
Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
9201
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:15:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:No. Because you don't understand the reason for respecs at all. It's not fair that those that want to be full-on pilots get a full respec because they finished what they needed for vehicles, then went into a secondary role with infantry because it's cheaper, safer, easier, and more reliable. Oh you, always the kidder
Vids / O7
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
2007
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:17:00 -
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Yea sure why not
Get a full respec once a year until all suits/vehicles/racial weapons/turrets etc are out and done with
Intelligence is OP
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Sum1ne Else
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:18:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:No. Because you don't understand the reason for respecs at all.
Your point is invalid.
This is the most expensive free-to-play (or some call it free-to-pay) game ever. I have played since the 1st day of closed Beta, and have been an asset to this game, giving feedback where possible. The is my feedback for this STILL beta phase game-Full Respec is needed. Christmas is around the corner, all these PS4s Santa is delivering-come on, give us a reason to continue to play.
Public Relations WJR
Its a leopleuradon Charlie a magical leoplueradon, its gunna guide our way to candy mountain!
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1546
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:20:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:No. Because you don't understand the reason for respecs at all. It's not fair that those that want to be full-on pilots get a full respec because they finished what they needed for vehicles, then went into a secondary role with infantry because it's cheaper, safer, easier, and more reliable. Oh you, always the kidder This was obviously before 1.7 since you can't seem to do any thinking for yourself.
Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
482
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:20:00 -
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1.8 is coming XD!!!
Assassination is my thing.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
9202
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:26:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:No. Because you don't understand the reason for respecs at all. It's not fair that those that want to be full-on pilots get a full respec because they finished what they needed for vehicles, then went into a secondary role with infantry because it's cheaper, safer, easier, and more reliable. Oh you, always the kidder This was obviously before 1.7 since you can't seem to do any thinking for yourself. Says the guy who thinks swarm launchers are still too strong
Vids / O7
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:34:00 -
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Sum1ne Else wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:No. Because you don't understand the reason for respecs at all. Your point is invalid. This is the most expensive free-to-play (or some call it free-to-pay) game ever. I have played since the 1st day of closed Beta, and have been an asset to this game, giving feedback where possible. The is my feedback for this STILL beta phase game-Full Respec is needed. Christmas is around the corner, all these PS4s Santa is delivering-come on, give us a reason to continue to play.
No it's not. If you want to look at it that way Dust will NEVER leave beta. They will alwys change things. Suits will be nerfed, weapons will be buffed. What you spec into now will not stay the same.
Besides that, I don't know how often I will have to say this, you get unlimited SP and you can spec into everything. There is not a single thing denying you to spec into tanks after you specced into infantry or vice versa.
Additionally: No other game allows for such kind of a respec AT ALL. If you play WoW and have your Level 90 Warrior the game will not allow you to suddenly change your warrior to become a mage. No game does this. All they allow is to reassign your skillpoints for your current class because the skillpoints in these games are limited.
The vehicle respec was needed. it was no favor to the vehicle users. It was needed because they changed the entire skill tree so that the SP vehicle users had already invested couldn't be transitioned to the new skilltree. This was the reason for the respec. Because of this you will never see another respec in Dust unless CCP decides the infantry skilltree is ****** up and needs to be completely reworked.
So instead of QQing all the time and starting 300 respec threads just learn to deal with it and save up your SP instead of wasting them on stuff you don't need. Because the whining never stops this is what I assume all you people do. I too made mistakes while speccing. I leveled Caldari Assault to Level 3 even though I don't use it at all. But instead of whining for a respec I just did what every single normal person would do: Just live with it and spend the next SP I get all the time into the suit I really want to use. It works wonders.
And no: There won't be a respec after all racial suits and all missing weapons are released either. First of all it is very well possible that they will release even more suits and weapons in the future. Also you can just save up for new items all the time. Geez. Even the RR and CR were announced early enough so you could say: I want to use them! Let's save up some SP! That's what I did. 2 weeks before they came out. And on patch day I was able to get both of them to level 5. It is so extremely simple.
Tl;dr There is not a single reason for a respec unless CCP thinks it is in order to rebuild a whole skilltree. |
boba's fetta
Operation Clone Shield
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:42:00 -
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no respec. full stop. live with your damm mistakes and stop acting like kids. wha wha they nerfed my stuff i want to respec into the flavour of the month then ill cry for more respecs when that gets nerfed. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
9205
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:44:00 -
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boba's fetta wrote:no respec. full stop. live with your damm mistakes and stop acting like kids. wha wha they nerfed my stuff i want to respec into the flavour of the month then ill cry for more respecs when that gets nerfed. Well CCP has expressed a fairly strong interest in paid respecs if nothing else, so instead of just posting contrived dribble that offers nothing to the discussion or thread, nor holds any form of substance, perhaps think before you post.
Respecs have been a part of DUST for as long as it's been around, and if CCPs own inclinations are any indication, they will be around for a long time to come.
Vids / O7
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Elmo Love U
514 Mile High Club
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:50:00 -
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boba's fetta wrote:no respec. full stop. live with your damm mistakes and stop acting like kids. wha wha they nerfed my stuff i want to respec into the flavour of the month then ill cry for more respecs when that gets nerfed. My mistakes? 7Mill in swarms.........BS all those tanks :(
Show me the money!
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
1635
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:55:00 -
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I'd rather have fun with a red and white Santa themed stack of Heavy BPCs. Mass Driver and Flaylocks spitting out snowballs. LAVs that look like sleighs, etc.
But, we were all witness to the epic fail that was "snow" in Molden Heath. (When everything looked like it was covered in pigeon ****.)
Alyssa Milano.
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.12.20 17:17:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Sum1ne Else wrote:Your point is invalid.
This is the most expensive free-to-play (or some call it free-to-pay) game ever. I have played since the 1st day of closed Beta, and have been an asset to this game, giving feedback where possible. The is my feedback for this STILL beta phase game-Full Respec is needed. Christmas is around the corner, all these PS4s Santa is delivering-come on, give us a reason to continue to play. No it's not. If you want to look at it that way Dust will NEVER leave beta. They will always change things. Suits will be nerfed, weapons will be buffed, vehicles added. What you spec into now will not stay the same. Besides that, I don't know how often I will have to say this, you get unlimited SP and you can spec into everything. There is not a single thing denying you to spec into tanks after you specced into infantry or vice versa. Additionally: No other game allows for such kind of a respec AT ALL. If you play WoW and have your Level 90 Warrior the game will not allow you to suddenly change your warrior to become a mage. No game does this. All they allow is to reassign your skillpoints for your current class because the skillpoints in these games are limited. The vehicle respec was needed. it was no favor to the vehicle users. It was needed because they changed the entire skill tree so that the SP vehicle users had already invested couldn't be transitioned to the new skilltree. This was the reason for the respec. Because of this you will never see another respec in Dust unless CCP decides the infantry skilltree is ****** up and needs to be completely reworked. So instead of QQing all the time and starting 300 respec threads just learn to deal with it and save up your SP instead of wasting them on stuff you don't need. Because the whining never stops this is what I assume all you people do. I too made mistakes while speccing. I leveled Caldari Assault to Level 3 even though I don't use it at all. But instead of whining for a respec I just did what every single normal person would do: Just live with it and spend the next SP I get all the time into the suit I really want to use. It works wonders. And no: There won't be a respec after all racial suits and all missing weapons are released either. First of all it is very well possible that they will release even more suits and weapons in the future. Also you can just save up for new items all the time. Geez. Even the RR and CR were announced early enough so you could say: I want to use them! Let's save up some SP! That's what I did. 2 weeks before they came out. And on patch day I was able to get both of them to level 5. It is so extremely simple. Tl;dr There is not a single reason for a respec unless CCP thinks it is in order to rebuild a whole skilltree.
You are completely wrong.
We are still beta because we still haven't finished the verisimilitude of the races. There are NO Amarr and Caldari vehicles, buildings, turrets, etc. There are no Heavy class suits except for Amar and only two types of Heavy Weapons: one for Caldari and one for Minmatar. There still is no sidearm for the Caldari or the Gallente. There are no Amarr or Caldari Light Suits. There are still only MCC's for the Caldari and Gallente (no Amarr or Minmatar). So you are wrong. Once they have these BARE MINIMUM things to make the game able to be fielded by any race, then I would agree with the rest of changes being additions to the game and "extra" content. But right now there is NO LEVEL PLAYING FIELD due to unbalance verisimilitude. So it's still technically BETA and respecs are warranted.
I *can* spec into anything except the things that I really want to. Things like a Minmatar Assault Dropship with Autocannons of Death. A Minmatar tank with an Artillery Cannon. A Minmatar Heavy to use that HMG. Until then, I am penalized by CCP and have to use crap that I hate. That is why respec is warranted.
Actually WOW is where the respec comes from! As that level 90 Warrior you have a choice of three types to play: DPS, Tank, or Other. All you have to do is pay for a respec in the game to do it. In this game we are ALL mercs and thus just respecing into different aspecs of that. The "other class" is to play EVE and be a pilot. That's why I started this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread
I understand why they did the SKILLPOINT REFUND for vehicle users, but that was NOT a RESPEC! It was a REFUND! Everyone needs to be clear on that point!
And saving up SP is like hiding your money under your mattress it's HUGE WASTE as it's sitting there doing NOTHING! Sp not used is SP being wasted and the longer you hold onto it the more it is wasted. I cannot just sit on 10+ million SP hoping that one day soonGäó CCP will finally fix the verisimilitude in this game. If I did that then I would be of no use to my corp in PC matches, of no use to my faction in FW, and no use at all to the devs of this game when it comes to providing a challenge to other players and testing out how gameplay actually works!
As for the "annoncements" so you have time to save up SP idea, I did that for the CR and you know what I still didn't have enough time after maxing out my bonus SP each week and even using an OMEGA booster the whole time. I still fell 2 million SP short! So I can imagine with anything more costly like new vehicles and the like it will be even worse!
Your arguments fail because CCP failed to release things with any verisimilitude in this game. If they had released equivalent things for EVERY RACE at the same time, then I would agree with you as that is how it was done in EVE, but that's NOT what they did. Instead they gave the Caldari and Gallente players a HUGE advantage with vehicles and the Amarr an even bigger advantage with Heavy Suits! |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1549
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Posted - 2013.12.20 17:22:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:No. Because you don't understand the reason for respecs at all. It's not fair that those that want to be full-on pilots get a full respec because they finished what they needed for vehicles, then went into a secondary role with infantry because it's cheaper, safer, easier, and more reliable. Oh you, always the kidder This was obviously before 1.7 since you can't seem to do any thinking for yourself. Says the guy who thinks swarm launchers are still too strong When did I say that post 1.7?
Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
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Supernus Gigas
Star Giants
11
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Posted - 2013.12.20 17:30:00 -
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EDIT: Looks like Jadd Hatchen beat me to it with a better argument.
Oh man, what's up with the people who hate on respecs. I understand that CCP will always be adding content, but the thing is Dust 514 doesn't even have all of the BASIC content out yet. Take Heavies for example. ONE racial dropsuit. You think a Gallente like me likes being forced to wear that Amarrian hunk of junk? No sir, I don't like it. I honestly don't see the problem with an occasional respec until the game is really fleshed out, or at least offer a respec once all the basic content comes out. Also, whats up with not having Militia variants of every weapon? It's ridiculous that I'm forced to spec into some weapons just to see if I like it or not.
Just you wait. One day, all will fall to their knees before the fatty overlords.
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Aisha Ctarl
0uter.Heaven
2343
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Posted - 2013.12.20 17:33:00 -
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I'd be pissed.
I have ~25 mil lifetime SP and I have it allocated EXACTLY the way I want it. A forced respec where I suddenly have 25 mil to reallocate would really **** me off because it would be inconvenient trying to make sure I put everything back in the correct places.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
-The Code of Demeanor
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Ankbar Latrommi
Immortal Guides
10
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Posted - 2013.12.20 17:35:00 -
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Sum1ne Else wrote:Christmas is around the corner, all these PS4s Santa is delivering-come on, give us a reason to continue to play.
My reason to continue playing the game is enjoyment. What's yours?
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Eve> FPS
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3717
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Posted - 2013.12.20 17:38:00 -
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Ankbar Latrommi wrote:Sum1ne Else wrote:Christmas is around the corner, all these PS4s Santa is delivering-come on, give us a reason to continue to play. My reason to continue playing the game is enjoyment. What's yours? Getting Bitches obviously |
Sev Alcatraz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
374
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Posted - 2013.12.20 17:38:00 -
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Hmmm i would like a respec, I have SP in crap i don`t even want in skills and suits i cant even use
closed beta vet
>wants the sagaris back :/
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day
158
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Posted - 2013.12.20 17:46:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I'd love to get jerrmy12 to gtfo of the python and go full incubus
recuruit link
5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
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CPL Bloodstone
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
235
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Posted - 2013.12.20 17:48:00 -
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It would be awesome but has to be the very last time.............
Woman are like bacon, They Smell , look, taste good and slowly kills men.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
9224
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Posted - 2013.12.20 18:00:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I'd love to get jerrmy12 to gtfo of the python and go full incubus
Python is more convenient than the Incubus, dat missile bonus
As it stands I recall and call in my ship at least twice in any given match, since railguns vs infantry can best be likened to playing the lottery.
Vids / O7
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day
158
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Posted - 2013.12.20 18:04:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I'd love to get jerrmy12 to gtfo of the python and go full incubus
Python is more convenient than the Incubus, dat missile bonus As it stands I recall and call in my ship at least twice in any given match, since railguns vs infantry can best be likened to playing the lottery. eh, i can forgo the bonus, on my alt i can actually take 2+ shots from railguns while i use a AT missile launcher, plus the python is so slow and too septable to LOLcolission
recuruit link
5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
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Night Ward
105
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Posted - 2013.12.20 18:05:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:I'd be pissed.
I have ~25 mil lifetime SP and I have it allocated EXACTLY the way I want it. A forced respec where I suddenly have 25 mil to reallocate would really **** me off because it would be inconvenient trying to make sure I put everything back in the correct places.
Oh shut your mouth. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2332
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Posted - 2013.12.20 18:07:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:No. Because you don't understand the reason for respecs at all. It's not fair that those that want to be full-on pilots get a full respec because they finished what they needed for vehicles, then went into a secondary role with infantry because it's cheaper, safer, easier, and more reliable. Oh you poor misguided thing...
Holy Fudgenipples!!!
MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!!
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