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The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 1973	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:38:00 - [1] - Quote Another day, another issue who woulda have guessed it? We all know that tanks have now a pretty high passive recharge rate but can be stopped by using "AV". This is not correct, in fact its terribly wrong and i call it exploitation on the highest lvl. Why so? Its quite simple cause a full volley of swarms is not capable to get over the damage threshold when hardeners are active. Why is this a problem? It is a problem cause shield tanks have allready a natural passive resistance against swarm launchers which is around 30% and then you put another 60% damage reduction on top and this means that swarms wont get trough the damage threshold. So we have a weapon which does pathetic damage while a hardener is running and no im not talking about 2 or 3 hardeners its just 1. We are getting to a point where the passive recharge is greater then the inflicted damage and this means you inflict 0HP damage to a tank. What needs to be changed is that the damage threshold needs to be drastically brought down to a lower damage. It cant be that a full volley of proto swarms with 3 complex damage mods deals effectively 0 damage and doesnt even stop their shields from recharging. Now for those who will say "those tanks have a shield booster". Nope they dont i tested it by myself and grabbed a sica with 2 hardeners and activated only 1 at a time. Then i standed on open field and let some redberrys shot my tank with proto swarms. The result is the problem stated above. Oh did i forget to mention that this works for ALL shield vehicles? I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2306	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:42:00 - [2] - Quote inb4 LOLTank Brigade saying "I should be able to rep through your Swarms" Holy Fudgenipples!!! MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!! \o/
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4256	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:43:00 - [3] - Quote This had been mentioned on day one of 1.7 and was discussed for several days after. The comments about it died down, but it's still a problem. I think that while hardeners are active, the threshold should adjust to allow swarms to hit it through hardeners, OR swarms need a small buff to damage.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 1973	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:45:00 - [4] - Quote Just to let ya know even when 6 people shot you at the same time with swarm launchers the shields keep recharging when a hardener is active. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 402	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:47:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: inb4 LOLTank Brigade saying "I should be able to rep through your Swarms" Oh knows I have been inb4ed. Tanker/Assault Tanks almost fixed.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 866	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:48:00 - [6] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Another day, another issue who woulda have guessed it? We all know that tanks have now a pretty high passive recharge rate but can be stopped by using "AV". This is not correct, in fact its terribly wrong and i call it exploitation on the highest lvl. Why so? Its quite simple cause a full volley of swarms is not capable to get over the damage threshold when hardeners are active. Why is this a problem? It is a problem cause shield tanks have allready a natural passive resistance against swarm launchers which is around 30% and then you put another 60% damage reduction on top and this means that swarms wont get trough the damage threshold. So we have a weapon which does pathetic damage while a hardener is running and no im not talking about 2 or 3 hardeners its just 1. We are getting to a point where the passive recharge is greater then the inflicted damage and this means you inflict 0HP damage to a tank. What needs to be changed is that the damage threshold needs to be drastically brought down to a lower damage. It cant be that a full volley of proto swarms with 3 complex damage mods deals effectively 0 damage and doesnt even stop their shields from recharging. Now for those who will say "those tanks have a shield booster". Nope they dont i tested it by myself and grabbed a sica with 2 hardeners and activated only 1 at a time. Then i standed on open field and let some redberrys shot my tank with proto swarms. The result is the problem stated above. Oh did i forget to mention that this works for ALL shield vehicles? TL;DR: "I'm using an ineffective damage type and it's ineffective" "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Jason Pearson 3532	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:50:00 - [7] - Quote Use PLCs, Swarms for Armor k? King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 934	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:52:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: inb4 LOLTank Brigade saying "I should be able to rep through your Swarms" all three of them? Watch my back does not mean look at my spine.
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 1012	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:56:00 - [9] - Quote I believe that CCP couldn't figure out how to make the effects of a charged sniper rifle and a militia swarm volley differ in their effects on regen delay, so they put a general threshold in. CCP cut a corner here and these are the consequences. So about those vehicle locks...
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1531	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:57:00 - [10] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Another day, another issue who woulda have guessed it? We all know that tanks have now a pretty high passive recharge rate but can be stopped by using "AV". This is not correct, in fact its terribly wrong and i call it exploitation on the highest lvl. Why so? Its quite simple cause a full volley of swarms is not capable to get over the damage threshold when hardeners are active. Why is this a problem? It is a problem cause shield tanks have allready a natural passive resistance against swarm launchers which is around 30% and then you put another 60% damage reduction on top and this means that swarms wont get trough the damage threshold. So we have a weapon which does pathetic damage while a hardener is running and no im not talking about 2 or 3 hardeners its just 1. We are getting to a point where the passive recharge is greater then the inflicted damage and this means you inflict 0HP damage to a tank. What needs to be changed is that the damage threshold needs to be drastically brought down to a lower damage. It cant be that a full volley of proto swarms with 3 complex damage mods deals effectively 0 damage and doesnt even stop their shields from recharging. Now for those who will say "those tanks have a shield booster". Nope they dont i tested it by myself and grabbed a sica with 2 hardeners and activated only 1 at a time. Then i standed on open field and let some redberrys shot my tank with proto swarms. The result is the problem stated above. Oh did i forget to mention that this works for ALL shield vehicles? You're using a weapon that does explosive damage on a shield vehicle. You expect it to be super effective? Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1531	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:58:00 - [11] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Atiim wrote: inb4 LOLTank Brigade saying "I should be able to rep through your Swarms" all three of them? Some of us run 3 hardeners. Derrr Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3396	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:59:00 - [12] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: You're using a weapon that does explosive damage on a shield vehicle. You expect it to be super effective? Defender of mechanical Crutches to the rescueeeeeeeeeeeeee.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 927	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:00:00 - [13] - Quote First, you're using a weapon that is naturally resisted against by shield. Second, you're using a weapon against hardened shields. Third, you aren't getting past the damage threshold to stop shields from recharging. In all honesty, a scrub with a militia SL, or a couple of scrubs with SLs, shouldn't reduce my shields and force me to go into hiding. What should force me into hiding is a well planned and thought out attack, and not someone who can point a shoot with a fire and forget weapon. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
syn kaine Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:00:00 - [14] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Another day, another issue who woulda have guessed it? We all know that tanks have now a pretty high passive recharge rate but can be stopped by using "AV". This is not correct, in fact its terribly wrong and i call it exploitation on the highest lvl. Why so? Its quite simple cause a full volley of swarms is not capable to get over the damage threshold when hardeners are active. Why is this a problem? It is a problem cause shield tanks have allready a natural passive resistance against swarm launchers which is around 30% and then you put another 60% damage reduction on top and this means that swarms wont get trough the damage threshold. So we have a weapon which does pathetic damage while a hardener is running and no im not talking about 2 or 3 hardeners its just 1. We are getting to a point where the passive recharge is greater then the inflicted damage and this means you inflict 0HP damage to a tank. What needs to be changed is that the damage threshold needs to be drastically brought down to a lower damage. It cant be that a full volley of proto swarms with 3 complex damage mods deals effectively 0 damage and doesnt even stop their shields from recharging. Now for those who will say "those tanks have a shield booster". Nope they dont i tested it by myself and grabbed a sica with 2 hardeners and activated only 1 at a time. Then i standed on open field and let some redberrys shot my tank with proto swarms. The result is the problem stated above. Oh did i forget to mention that this works for ALL shield vehicles? You're using a weapon that does explosive damage on a shield vehicle. You expect it to be super effective? so are you cool with giving the swarm a second ammo type?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5949	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:00:00 - [15] - Quote Um.... you could just wait until the hardeners are entering their cooldown phase which is pretty long from what I can tell after watching CEOPyrex's videos. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4256	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:04:00 - [16] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: You're using a weapon that does explosive damage on a shield vehicle. You expect it to be super effective? They're using an anti-vehicle weapon on a vehicle. I expect it to be at least mildly effective. Particularly considering we're even seeing this happen Proto AV vs. Militia Hardeners. EDIT: I don't think that Swarms should deal huge amounts of damage to hardened shield tanks - AND THEY DON'T. But they should at least interrupt our repair.
lDocHollidayl Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 421	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:10:00 - [17] - Quote same story for AV nades
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5950	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:11:00 - [18] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: You're using a weapon that does explosive damage on a shield vehicle. You expect it to be super effective? They're using an anti-vehicle weapon on a vehicle. I expect it to be at least mildly effective. Particularly considering we're even seeing this happen Proto AV vs. Militia Hardeners. But that's still an explosive weapon which is something tailored only towards armor. In Eve Online, explosive ammo is usually something PvPers use against Gallente and Amarr ships since both races rely heavily on armor. Of course, the better alternative that I suggest as opposed to simply reducing the damage threshold when activating hardeners is that CCP should introduce more racial variants of the swarm launcher. What we have now is primarily a Caldari launcher. In the Gallente, Amarr, and Minmatar get their own variants, then perhaps we could see increased AV effectiveness when using EM-based weapons. Or, CCP should introduce different ammo types for every handheld weapon such as fitting EM ammo on the swarms, or maybe Thermal or Kinetic ammo instead. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 928	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:11:00 - [19] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: You're using a weapon that does explosive damage on a shield vehicle. You expect it to be super effective? They're using an anti-vehicle weapon on a vehicle. I expect it to be at least mildly effective. Particularly considering we're even seeing this happen Proto AV vs. Militia Hardeners. EDIT: I don't think that Swarms should deal huge amounts of damage to hardened shield tanks - AND THEY DON'T. But they should at least interrupt our repair. No special circumstances need to be given. If the damage threshold is not reached, then shields should continue their recharge. Only thing that needs to change is AV tactics and using some thought as to which AV weapon to bring when confronting a shield vehicle. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1532	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:16:00 - [20] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: You're using a weapon that does explosive damage on a shield vehicle. You expect it to be super effective? Defender of mechanical Crutches to the rescueeeeeeeeeeeeee.... You're still not happy with the changes you forced on CCP. Move on to a different game already. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1532	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:18:00 - [21] - Quote syn kaine wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Another day, another issue who woulda have guessed it? We all know that tanks have now a pretty high passive recharge rate but can be stopped by using "AV". This is not correct, in fact its terribly wrong and i call it exploitation on the highest lvl. Why so? Its quite simple cause a full volley of swarms is not capable to get over the damage threshold when hardeners are active. Why is this a problem? It is a problem cause shield tanks have allready a natural passive resistance against swarm launchers which is around 30% and then you put another 60% damage reduction on top and this means that swarms wont get trough the damage threshold. So we have a weapon which does pathetic damage while a hardener is running and no im not talking about 2 or 3 hardeners its just 1. We are getting to a point where the passive recharge is greater then the inflicted damage and this means you inflict 0HP damage to a tank. What needs to be changed is that the damage threshold needs to be drastically brought down to a lower damage. It cant be that a full volley of proto swarms with 3 complex damage mods deals effectively 0 damage and doesnt even stop their shields from recharging. Now for those who will say "those tanks have a shield booster". Nope they dont i tested it by myself and grabbed a sica with 2 hardeners and activated only 1 at a time. Then i standed on open field and let some redberrys shot my tank with proto swarms. The result is the problem stated above. Oh did i forget to mention that this works for ALL shield vehicles? You're using a weapon that does explosive damage on a shield vehicle. You expect it to be super effective? so are you cool with giving the swarm a second ammo type? Lol no, they're explosive warheads. You want EMP warheads so they'd do 130% damage against shields, plus having the rocket motor detonate as well to destroy the armor. Go away please. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 800	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:18:00 - [22] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: You're using a weapon that does explosive damage on a shield vehicle. You expect it to be super effective? They're using an anti-vehicle weapon on a vehicle. I expect it to be at least mildly effective. Particularly considering we're even seeing this happen Proto AV vs. Militia Hardeners. EDIT: I don't think that Swarms should deal huge amounts of damage to hardened shield tanks - AND THEY DON'T. But they should at least interrupt our repair. No special circumstances need to be given. If the damage threshold is not reached, then shields should continue their recharge. Only thing that needs to change is AV tactics and using some thought as to which AV weapon to bring when confronting a shield vehicle. Agreed. I do think it should be changed up slightly; as is, I can ignore almost any number of MLT swarms. If they actually ARE coordinating, they should be rewarded. Maybe change it to a 'damage taken inside the last 'x' period of time', rather than 'damage per shot'? After all, if a proto swarm hit for 1320, rather than 220x6 it would interrupt regen for sure. >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1532	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:19:00 - [23] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: You're using a weapon that does explosive damage on a shield vehicle. You expect it to be super effective? They're using an anti-vehicle weapon on a vehicle. I expect it to be at least mildly effective. Particularly considering we're even seeing this happen Proto AV vs. Militia Hardeners. EDIT: I don't think that Swarms should deal huge amounts of damage to hardened shield tanks - AND THEY DON'T. But they should at least interrupt our repair. Again............ it's an explosive weapon on a shield vehicle. These same people complain that their ARs don't do enough damage to vehicles. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1532	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:20:00 - [24] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: You're using a weapon that does explosive damage on a shield vehicle. You expect it to be super effective? They're using an anti-vehicle weapon on a vehicle. I expect it to be at least mildly effective. Particularly considering we're even seeing this happen Proto AV vs. Militia Hardeners. EDIT: I don't think that Swarms should deal huge amounts of damage to hardened shield tanks - AND THEY DON'T. But they should at least interrupt our repair. No special circumstances need to be given. If the damage threshold is not reached, then shields should continue their recharge. Only thing that needs to change is AV tactics and using some thought as to which AV weapon to bring when confronting a shield vehicle. The only tactics infantry wants is to chase away tanks with whatever weapon they have in their hands at the moment, which is often a PRO AR of whatever variant. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 771	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:21:00 - [25] - Quote so, hardeners should what, make the tank weaker? Christ kid, it's called watching the guy and hitting him when the hardeners are down. If it's glowing, don't shoot it, it just gives away your position, and tells him to run. if he isn't glowing light his ass up. he'll either trip his hardeners and run, or his hardeners are down and you'll likely kill him before he can escape. Either way, you've performed your job and gotten that tank away from your team. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1810	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:23:00 - [26] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: You're using a weapon that does explosive damage on a shield vehicle. You expect it to be super effective? Defender of mechanical Crutches to the rescueeeeeeeeeeeeee.... You're still not happy with the changes you forced on CCP. Move on to a different game already. You complained the most about vehicle changes. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4258	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:28:00 - [27] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Again............ it's an explosive weapon on a shield vehicle. These same people complain that their ARs don't do enough damage to vehicles. Find me ONE thread where I've asked for ARs to damage vehicles and it hasn't been obviously the most blatant sarcasm possible. One. If you can, I'll give you all the ISK on my tank alt and delete her. It's only about 20 million, but hey, free ISK. Good luck. I want AV weapons - ANTI-VEHICLE WEAPONS - to be capable of having MINIMAL EFFECT on the targets they were DESIGNED TO ENGAGE. It's perfectly fine that Swarm Launchers don't hit hard enough to significantly hurt a hardened tank. It's NOT perfectly fine that the tank's regen rate is high enough that it's GAINING HP WHILE TAKING ANTI-VEHICLE FIRE. If you have literally ONE shield tank against TWO players with Swarm Launchers, you'll only barely keep up with their regen while they're hardened. What would be FAIR and REASONABLE here is if Swarms would hit with reduced damage so that they DON'T deal a signficant enough amount of damage to hurt, but they still hit JUST hard enough to cross the threshold AND BE TREATED AS AN AV WEAPON. They don't really hurt, but they stall your recovery. This means your tank can't literally say "lolno" to someone using PROTOTYPE ANTI-VEHICLE WEAPONS for 30 seconds at a time.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1810	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:33:00 - [28] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Again............ it's an explosive weapon on a shield vehicle. These same people complain that their ARs don't do enough damage to vehicles. Find me ONE thread where I've asked for ARs to damage vehicles and it hasn't been obviously the most blatant sarcasm possible. One. If you can, I'll give you all the ISK on my tank alt and delete her. It's only about 20 million, but hey, free ISK. Good luck. I want AV weapons - ANTI-VEHICLE WEAPONS - to be capable of having MINIMAL EFFECT on the targets they were DESIGNED TO ENGAGE. It's perfectly fine that Swarm Launchers don't hit hard enough to significantly hurt a hardened tank. It's NOT perfectly fine that the tank's regen rate is high enough that it's GAINING HP WHILE TAKING ANTI-VEHICLE FIRE. If you have literally ONE shield tank against TWO players with Swarm Launchers, you'll only barely keep up with their regen while they're hardened. What would be FAIR and REASONABLE here is if Swarms would hit with reduced damage so that they DON'T deal a signficant enough amount of damage to hurt, but they still hit JUST hard enough to cross the threshold AND BE TREATED AS AN AV WEAPON. They don't really hurt, but they stall your recovery. This means your tank can't literally say "lolno" to someone using PROTOTYPE ANTI-VEHICLE WEAPONS for 30 seconds at a time. There is no fair and reasonable with sparks. It's just tanks win forever, no one else's tanks, just his. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1696	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:56:00 - [29] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Another day, another issue who woulda have guessed it? We all know that tanks have now a pretty high passive recharge rate but can be stopped by using "AV". This is not correct, in fact its terribly wrong and i call it exploitation on the highest lvl. Why so? Its quite simple cause a full volley of swarms is not capable to get over the damage threshold when hardeners are active. Why is this a problem? It is a problem cause shield tanks have allready a natural passive resistance against swarm launchers which is around 30% and then you put another 60% damage reduction on top and this means that swarms wont get trough the damage threshold. So we have a weapon which does pathetic damage while a hardener is running and no im not talking about 2 or 3 hardeners its just 1. We are getting to a point where the passive recharge is greater then the inflicted damage and this means you inflict 0HP damage to a tank. What needs to be changed is that the damage threshold needs to be drastically brought down to a lower damage. It cant be that a full volley of proto swarms with 3 complex damage mods deals effectively 0 damage and doesnt even stop their shields from recharging. Now for those who will say "those tanks have a shield booster". Nope they dont i tested it by myself and grabbed a sica with 2 hardeners and activated only 1 at a time. Then i standed on open field and let some redberrys shot my tank with proto swarms. The result is the problem stated above. Oh did i forget to mention that this works for ALL shield vehicles? I made a poat about this problem on the second day of 1.7 -_- Going to stay out of AV/V debates, better for my sanity. GÿåTank driverGÿå
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 154	Posted - 2013.12.20 06:34:00 - [30] - Quote Atiim wrote: inb4 LOLTank Brigade saying "I should be able to rep through your Swarms" inb4 LOLav Brigade saying "i should be able to easily solo tanks with STD av" recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit



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