No. Grab a militia sica, fit it with two millita damage mods and pop the tanks.... Its so easy I won st least 5 matches today just busting tanks that were trying to slay my blueberrys while they were pressing objective. Even the dumbest of redberrys says " ah hell with it" after the get smoked two or three times then you recall And the match continues in peace.... Have not busted any of the big boys yet but this tactic works wonders on the scrub tankers and makes you a pile of WP and *gasp* your doing something good for your team.

Vehicles belong in this game. They have an entire skill tree and every thing. You want just infantry? Back to COD with you then. I like diversity and for craps sake being killed by a tank is still better than being reapeatedly raped by the damn duevolle AR over and over and over

Agreed, +1.

Other than a lack of anti-shield AV, REs/mines needing a buff and a need to fix draw distance so swarms can get a possible range buff tank/AV is about as balanced as it'll ever be. You rarely see militia tanks getting more thang 10-15 kills and you have to use timing to pop a tank. Basically, they made it harder for both sides to kill eachother.

Also, is something really OP if everyone can use it? I mainly play infantry but always keep a few tanks on hand just in case. This makes the game more dynamic and adds a dimension of combat that used to only be known by a select few. Anyone can tank now, but the ones that invest and practice will do it better.

though i agree to the tank speed being reduced and Armour hardeners should be limits

i do not agree with swarms being set back to 1.6 settings i am an assault/ AV player though yes swarms are a waste of SP right now hell all AV weapons are
i think if they slowed the tanks down and gave us swarms 300 per missile 1800 damage but kept the range of the swarms to 175m i think it will defo even the balance
if it turns out swarms become to OP though this fix drop them down to 250 damage per missile 1500 damage or make the target lock slower

there was talk in a post a few days ago in one of the threads about bringing flaylocks back purely for AV use quicker lock on 300 damage per shot 900 damage before reloading and good rate of fire but only has 100m range
i liked this idea most players do have flaylocks SP i know it wont do much damage but the rate of fire they gave out and with loads of people using them for AV it will defo give the tankers something to worry about

the idea was to make the flaylock shine again


not sure what you think of this?

My tank can passively rep through proto swarms, so I find it hard to believe that a 35% buff to swarm damage would affect the current tanks. But, from my LAV perspective, I agree that I would be wrecked, and of course i don't "want" it to be that way. It's only a level 3 LAV, so I expect some degree of wreckage from proto weapons.

It's hard to argue about flaylocks having some purpose in the game. And it would probably become an essential sidearm to most players if it worked. Again, I think my LAV would suffer horribly, but it seems there is no way to win that fight.

i agree the passive repair is quicker then 1 proto swarm but team of 2 or 3 will defo give it a run for its money with the 35% damage plus the damage mods and proficiency put on each swarm may do over 2k damage

and the reason i brought up the flaylocks is because i think even now more people are speced into them more then a swarm launcher

You have to keep in mind this is a WIP. AV was probably scaled down since we only have standard vehicles and we don't have all the racial AV. Prices are probably lower to get as many tanks out there to collect data faster too. Once we get more content for both sides, we might see a clearer picture in balance. Right now, vehicles are much more accessible than in the past and that's a much needed change.

I suppose that this suggestion may be rather obvious, but here goes. Just because it is there, does not mean it needs to be engaged. If infantry stayed away from the tank the entire match how will it shoot anyone? Boredom is a great motivator to try something different (DS Pilots have fun).

focused av fire works well against tanks. but it requires the one thing most of ppl on this game probably know nothing about "teamwork"


although i havnt had much trouble destroying those mlt tanks u ppl say r op.


since most of them are unskilled drivers to begin with ive had a rather easy time poping them with my better fitted soma.as i went into the core skills for vehicles. although i do kinda regret wasting all that sp just to unlock the std large missile turrets i could have just went into blaster turrets instead and leveled up fitting optimization. and possibly unlocked std havs.

which i intend to do if im ever going to create my special anti tank fitting.


aside from all this it looks like all the ppl who say tanks r op r just focusing on mlt tanks only. right now id say tank vs tank combat is more balanced then ever. if u nerf mlt tanks to being paper thin again what do u think is going to happen?

instead of mlt tanks being spammed u will be dealing with even stronger ad much BETTER fitted maddies and gunlogis without any actual way to take them down for the simple fact that u nerfed the already weakest of the tanks to be even weaker and easier to destroy with the thought that this will make things easier for av.

it would make soloing mlt tanks easier. but it would make killing maddies and gunlogis next to impossible. and possibly more expensive.

and so the crying would get worse in the end.

ive also managed to kill many of those mlt tanks with adv cbr7 swarms and av nades.

its all about positioning then.

although to give tanks an actual weakness since current playstyle seems to be running away with active hardeners we could make hardeners slow the vehicle down or immobilize it for now and see what happens from there.

It's a continuous work in progress, and that's why I post in hopes of changing the current direction the game is going. Militia tanks were always accessible, just expensive. I'm ok with them being cheap. I even like it.

Math time.

Sica has 2650 shield and 1500 armor.

Proto swarms have 220 damage with 6 missiles, for a total of 1320 damage.

add in sica's 20% resistance to missiles, we get 1056 total damage.

x3 swarms is 3168 damage. that's assuming the 20% resistance applies to all damage. After the 2650 shield is gone, the damage gets a 20% bonus to damage. That's assuming no hardeners active on the sica, and no damage mods on the swarm launcher. Gunnlogi has same base stats, and one extra high slot.

I won't run figures with the hardener up, because you aren't supposed to attack when the hardener is up. The balance is actually pretty close to good right now. The issue is damage application. Returning AV to 1.6 levels would ruin vehicles (tanks aren't the only vehicle out there) because they have no chance to get away from swarms. Watch this video for further information:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3au9H-NcgSw

The damage nerf was because we only have standard vehicles right now. We can't balance proto weapons against proto vehicles that haven't been released, and won't be released for many months to come. Your swarms can deal killing damage to tanks, but the problem is how easy it is to escape that damage.

We should increase swarm missile speed, so that tanks have less time to find cover before they hit. But upping lock on range or raw damage output screws over LAVs and dropships along with tanks.

Currently, 2 proto swarms are laughable to my tank, unless I'm AFK. 3 can do some damage, but are not a considerable threat. Maybe if they all had proto, level 5 proficiency, stacked damage mods, and increased range, then I might be worried, a little. But I will be shooting back, so not too worried. Either way, that is not an average player that you are describing. And to have 3 of them together focused on a tank, should be OP, in my opinion. Also remember that the tank is unlikely alone. There are 15 other players on the team and they loooove shooting swarmers.

Well, sure. We could also form a circle around the fireplace and sing Kumbaya. But I joined the match to fight, I just want it to be balanced.

I did fly dropships for a while, but the assault dropships don't work with a motion controller, and it's not that much fun to just fly around in circles as target practice for forges.

I just bought 6 new games on Amazon. I would have loved to spend the money on Dust, but hopefully after I'm done with those, Dust will be in a better place. And no, I'm not giving away my stuff. lol. I do have hope that I'll be back.

I agree with some of the OP suggestions and I took it to mean implement one or two and see how it goes. Here's a typical assault. A tank barrels into a scene guns blazing, every one on the other side runs and hides but one or two usually get taken out. If they have a swarm or forge they'll fire a few shots then the hardener comes on. While they're either hopelessly firing at the tank or waiting it out, the infantry roll out from behind the tank and start firing away. If by some miracle they're repelled and the hardener times-out the tank either resumes firing or races away at ludicrous speed just to start the process all over again. Meanwhile a lot of wasted ammo is used up while the tank enjoys unlimited ammo.

1. Slow them down.

2. Reduce the hardener time.

3. No ability to shoot while the hardener is activated.

4. Give tanks an ammo budget that can be reloaded at a vehicle depot.

Cheers

Just some thoughts. Cheers

I like it when math is used, but please use it right.

No one disagree that three swarms WILL kill a tank. If those 3 swarms hit him SIMULTANOUSLY!

And that will never happen in a realistic scenario.

In a real scenario you have time between shoots, ostacles, tank speed and other enemies that are not considered in your math.

range is good but if they ups the damage and kept the range it will defo help granted it may only be an extra 300 damage or so per swarm luancher but thats a lot better without it and with 1% proficency any 3 damage mods u looking at 500 to 600 per swarm

In fairness, after the 1.7 update, #4 on your list was implemented. There is an easy work around though. If there are no available supply depots, they just call in another tank. All good ideas though.