My tank can passively rep through proto swarms, so I find it hard to believe that a 35% buff to swarm damage would affect the current tanks. But, from my LAV perspective, I agree that I would be wrecked, and of course i don't "want" it to be that way. It's only a level 3 LAV, so I expect some degree of wreckage from proto weapons.

It's hard to argue about flaylocks having some purpose in the game. And it would probably become an essential sidearm to most players if it worked. Again, I think my LAV would suffer horribly, but it seems there is no way to win that fight.

Currently, 2 proto swarms are laughable to my tank, unless I'm AFK. 3 can do some damage, but are not a considerable threat. Maybe if they all had proto, level 5 proficiency, stacked damage mods, and increased range, then I might be worried, a little. But I will be shooting back, so not too worried. Either way, that is not an average player that you are describing. And to have 3 of them together focused on a tank, should be OP, in my opinion. Also remember that the tank is unlikely alone. There are 15 other players on the team and they loooove shooting swarmers.

You would think, but most don't have the build you speak of. In addition, shields have built in 20% resistance to swarms. So with a hardner on, that's 80% resistance, So with continuous hardners, youre proto swarms are doing about 44 dmg per missile. When a tank passively heals shields at over 200 hp/sec (dont remember the actual number), it heals faster than you can hurt it.

It just seems logical to me that if you're going to make a weapon useless, just remove it from the game. CCP seems to be passive aggressive about it and just turns it into a paperweight for your collection.

Anyway, I'm tired of talking about swarms. I haven't used them in months, so doesn't bother me terribly. I do think it's a little unfair to the light suit AV players though.

People seem generally against the idea of buffing swarms. I guess tankers don't feel it's fair that they should have to die to swarms. I don't really get it, but I give up.

I like the idea you mentioned - anti aircraft on tanks and vice versa. something for LAVs too. good idea

I've read the post about maps, and while I agree that the maps need major reworking, I do have a couple of problems. First, I've been playing this game since early in closed beta, and we average a new map about every 4-5 months. So waiting for new maps to be made and old to be redesigned is extremely unlikely. And second, making maps where you don't really need to deal with the problem, doesn't really solve the problem.

The problem is, when I get in my tank, I'm able to destroy everything in sight. There is nothing that can stop me, short of another tank. I usually go multiple matches back to back before I find one match that there is a group of people working together that can beat me. And I'm solo. I don't even have that much sp invested in tanks. I don't consider myself a tanker, but I think I'm over-powered. I usually get 250k to 450k isk per match, and lose nothing. If you make maps that I only have access to some of the infantry, I may have lower kills, but I'm still OP.

Some people seem to want to buff swarms to fight tanks, others seem to think they are only meant for LAVs. i'm ok either way, but they are currently very effective against LAVs. with proto swarms, cheap LAV's go down in 2 shots, and the best LAV's go down in 3. that seems reasonable to me, because they are extremely hard to escape if you stop for more than 1 second. But if you are going to buff swarm damage for tanks, I think LAVs need a buff to compensate. 1 shot to kill LAVs is a little ridiculous. if it still takes 2-3 shots after the buff, then no big deal.

I still like the delayed spawn time for tanks. 1 minute isn't that long to wait to instantly become the most OP person on the map. Maybe I'm just used to it. I've been playing competitive fps since Doom was on a dial up modem. First time I played with tanks was "Unreal Tournament" and even then you had to wait patiently for the tank. It seemed to work perfectly well, and we never just sat and did nothing while waited. You defend the point until it gets there - unless you call it into the safe zone, but that's your choice. If 1 minute is really too long, then make it 45 seconds. It's not carved in stone. but there should be some kind of sacrifice made to bring in the tank.

Ooooh, one like vietnam. Heavy brush so you can barely see through it and BAM enemy. Well actually more like 'scan' there you are, but still, jungle would be a fun mash up too.