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Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 966	Posted - 2013.12.18 09:55:00 - [31] - Quote drawback of carrying a scanner is almost zero. drawback of damps is huge. beside that, the mechanic is binary and binary mechanics in games are last century
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 370	Posted - 2013.12.18 10:01:00 - [32] - Quote jordy mack wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: How can you not say the active scanner is OP. It is simple. I use dampeners. So I can say it quite easily. Active scanner is not OP. How that the scanner user still nows you are there as the scanner is telling him "look out there is somebody hiding" dampeners are nice but you can't achieve stealth with them... Umm no I'm afraid not, try another excuse , was their gun more op than ur's too? Maybe the sun glare effects got in ur eye, better nerf those too. Face it guys, your probably just not as good as u would like to think. Or your finding out the hard way that teamwork and co-ordination is "FOTM" Well my scanner always tells me "small margin of error" or something like this whenever a scout (or dampened suit) is in scann range but can't be scanned. So I know that there is somebody out there, sure the one does not show up onmy tac net but I still know there is at least on dampened suit. What YOU do with this information is up to you, I go for a little hunt...
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 687	Posted - 2013.12.18 10:12:00 - [33] - Quote I've always thought that a scout should automatically defeat basic scanners, gallente scout or scout w/ dampening 5 should automatically defeat ADV scanners, and a gallente scout w/ dampening 5 should automatically defeat proto scanners. And to defeat a proto focused scanner should require a gallente scout w/ dampening 5 and 1 complex module or other scout w/ dampening 5 & 2 complexs. As well as each tier having a focused variant for scanners. Focused variant having precision of the tier above. This way, a normal medium suit w/ dampening 5 automatically avoids basic scanners, w/ 1 complex module avoids adv, w/ 2 avoids proto, w/ 3 avoids proto focused.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 426	Posted - 2013.12.18 10:42:00 - [34] - Quote Green Living wrote: It would be OP if there were not effective counters. There is one effective counter (running active scanner yourself) or playing a Gallente scout with prototype profile dampners. Adapt. What you claimed there is Replacement not Adaptation.... You really need to look over what you say before you blather it out. I mean I blather a lot when I'm tired, but seriously? Your blather just out-blathered what blather I could blather to blather, by a blathering amount of blatherous blather. Soooo... BLAH!! THERE!! Aloooo...running a scanner for yourself is Matching, not countering. It doesn't stop or misdirect the scan in any way. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Blake Kingston Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 153	Posted - 2013.12.18 10:51:00 - [35] - Quote Where were you guys when you could see any enemy chevron that anyone on your team had seen? Ironically, no one could see you back then. Wait, is that because everyone got it and you didn't have to equip certain gear to get that?
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 559	Posted - 2013.12.18 11:17:00 - [36] - Quote Being scanned helps team play and encourages sticking together. Why? Because lone mercs who get scanned usually get swarmed by reds. It's a lot harder to get swarmed when the rest of your team is at your back. If you want to go off and be Rambo, you better either BE RAMBO or have some profile dampeners. One man in Dust doesn't make an army. Unless he is Rambo. I haven't met many real Rambos in my Dust career.
CrotchGrab 360 624	Posted - 2013.12.18 11:25:00 - [37] - Quote you know those spawns when you don't know where it's going to put you? so I spawn on a random uplink, I'm up in the sky, 150m above ground and I get scanned. pretty silly. on a side note, I'm now going to have to use scanners myself so I know where these people are, fight fire with fire.
Jebus McKing Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 220	Posted - 2013.12.18 12:20:00 - [38] - Quote So, by using 1x complex dampener on a medium suit I will make anyone in a match with ADV active scanners (or worse) waste an equipment slot and the CPU/PG needed to fit them, and deprive their squads of the ability to scan me, and all that for the price of 30CPU and 1 low slot. Sounds pretty good to me. @JebusMcKing // Rifle stats comparison spreadsheet. ò_Ô
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 90	Posted - 2013.12.18 12:23:00 - [39] - Quote How much sp does a complex damp cost.... 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Dropship Extremist Scout Devotee The shotgun in my best friend
Jebus McKing Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 220	Posted - 2013.12.18 12:24:00 - [40] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: How much sp does a complex damp cost.... Way more than an ADV active scanner... @JebusMcKing // Rifle stats comparison spreadsheet. ò_Ô

PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 90	Posted - 2013.12.18 12:28:00 - [41] - Quote Of course it does. Worth it to remain invisible. But an amount would be nice... 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Dropship Pilot Scout Devotee Remaining invisible is my thing
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 939	Posted - 2013.12.18 12:33:00 - [42] - Quote i never really bother to avoid proto scanners, because you don't see them that often, and i avoid advanced scanners with my passive, so it's not too much of a problem. though i don't understand why they were put into the game. on multiple occasions i've had people run right past me, scanner in hand, and since i didn't light up like a christmas light, they just kept walking. makes me think "what the hell....ahh whatever" before i promptly kill them. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 90	Posted - 2013.12.18 12:36:00 - [43] - Quote I lost track of how many enemies walk right by me. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Dropship Pilot Scout Devotee Remaining invisible is my thing
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 561	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:23:00 - [44] - Quote I've dropped the ADV scanner and only run the Duvolle Quantum now. Why? Because CCP nerfed scanners (you can't cancel the scan with sprint/switch weapon anymore). So now longer light up times are better, since you have to refresh your scans less and are less vulnerable. So thank CCP for requiring you to run additional damps on your suit :)
Sephirian Fair 0uter.Heaven 161	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:33:00 - [45] - Quote They need to remove the ability to do the 360 scan. I think for a tool as powerful as Scanners are (Wallhacks) they should function like the Breach Forge Gun. You shouldn't be able to move, you charge the scan up, and "fire" the scan in the desired direction. That way targets don't show up until the scan has fired and the 360 stuff doesn't happen anymore. This gives tactical decision making when using them and can punish the user for their poor choices rather than the 0 downtime wallhacks we currently have.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 948	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:39:00 - [46] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Just need to dial back the precision a bit so PD can help you avoid them easier. The precision/profile balance works just fine for the moment. What needs to change is the scanner being able to * rescan just as/before the results form the previous scan fade * spinning/sweeping to increase scan angle !
Akdhar Saif Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 96	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:44:00 - [47] - Quote Make it function like a flashlight, So it has to stay on target to 'illuminate' it.
Blake Kingston Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 155	Posted - 2013.12.19 01:13:00 - [48] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: So, by using 1x complex dampener on a medium suit I will make anyone in a match with ADV active scanners (or worse) waste an equipment slot and the CPU/PG needed to fit them, and deprive their squads of the ability to scan me, and all that for the price of 30CPU and 1 low slot. Sounds pretty good to me. Deprive their team the ability to scan each person who uses a slot to do this. Seems interesting to me - you can buy some surprise (instead of just getting it for free and making pure game of bumbling into each other at random)
Blake Kingston Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 155	Posted - 2013.12.19 01:15:00 - [49] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: I lost track of how many enemies walk right by me. You do not consider the number of enemies you had walked past yourself, do you? Only the other guy...
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1261	Posted - 2013.12.19 01:17:00 - [50] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Sprint a few meters 'YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED' Take two steps back 'SCAN ATTEMP PREVENTED' Strafe a few meters 'YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED' KILL THE SCANNER WEILDER You have been scanned FUUUUUUU . . . . . . . Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1

PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 99	Posted - 2013.12.19 02:58:00 - [51] - Quote Blake Kingston wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: I lost track of how many enemies walk right by me. You do not consider the number of enemies you had walked past yourself, do you? Only the other guy... Yes I do, and its frightening. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Dropship Pilot Scout Devotee Remaining invisible is my thing
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1025	Posted - 2013.12.19 03:00:00 - [52] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Seriously. All you have to do is "paint" your targets locations when they are about to flank you, and say, "OPE! The enemy is that way!", and just win every match. No element of surprise. It kind of feels like using hacks in a game when I pull out that scanner... because ccp has given you a way to get under them.
Seeth Mensch 2Shitz 1Giggle 91	Posted - 2013.12.19 03:03:00 - [53] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Green Living wrote: It would be OP if there were not effective counters. There is one effective counter (running active scanner yourself) or playing a Gallente scout with prototype profile dampners. Adapt. Scanners are a crutch. Never again will I use one, I was ridiculously paranoid the second I stopped using it. My gameplay suffered. But I like it now adds room for more tactics and stealth. SCANNERS ARE A CRUTCH PEOPLE. KILL THE PERSON WITH THE SCANNER I always have a scanner. I'm a logi at heart. I want to inform and assist my team. You should, absolutely, kill me every chance you get, first. Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2206	Posted - 2013.12.19 03:05:00 - [54] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Seriously. All you have to do is "paint" your targets locations when they are about to flank you, and say, "OPE! The enemy is that way!", and just win every match. No element of surprise. It kind of feels like using hacks in a game when I pull out that scanner... Because to use it I have to sacrifice an equipment slot that I could be using for a Triage Hive so I can sit on it and spam Grenades :-) When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
Seeth Mensch 2Shitz 1Giggle 91	Posted - 2013.12.19 03:06:00 - [55] - Quote I think it was Iron Wolf Saber? maybe someone else...anyway, they commented that a great fix would be to tie the scanner to the suit; so scouts would scan at the lowest frequencies. Makes sense to me, gives good roles as well. Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 286	Posted - 2013.12.19 03:14:00 - [56] - Quote message from Godin: make it so that it goes by suit precision. Buff Scout precision, ans slightly nerf medium and heavy's. Fixed
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 286	Posted - 2013.12.19 03:16:00 - [57] - Quote Seeth Mensch wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Green Living wrote: It would be OP if there were not effective counters. There is one effective counter (running active scanner yourself) or playing a Gallente scout with prototype profile dampners. Adapt. Scanners are a crutch. Never again will I use one, I was ridiculously paranoid the second I stopped using it. My gameplay suffered. But I like it now adds room for more tactics and stealth. SCANNERS ARE A CRUTCH PEOPLE. KILL THE PERSON WITH THE SCANNER I always have a scanner. I'm a logi at heart. I want to inform and assist my team. You should, absolutely, kill me every chance you get, first. message from Godin: Your job is to keep the team stocked alive and safe. That's my job (Scout) 'snatches active scanner'
JP Acuna war-legends elite 50	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:11:00 - [58] - Quote Active Scanners supress the chance to flank enemies, take a walk and attack them from the back... unless you are a scout and/or carry dampeners with you. It's just too cheap in a FPS to know the location of your enemies all the time, it's easy cake. You can't do much against it, it limits your tactics and creativity. It should be useful to know if an area is clear or not, to know where to drop an orbital strike, stuff like that only, not to be omniscient all the time. The scan result should last only a couple seconds and the cooldown be much slower than it is now. No 360-¦ scans. It would take smarter and specific tactics to be used, now it's dumb-proof, easy mode.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 677	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:27:00 - [59] - Quote Scanner should ONLY show people while your scanning and aiming at them, and only scan within 50m.
Tectonic Fusion 761	Posted - 2013.12.19 22:22:00 - [60] - Quote JP Acuna wrote: Active Scanners supress the chance to flank enemies, take a walk and attack them from the back... unless you are a scout and/or carry dampeners with you. It's just too cheap in a FPS to know the location of your enemies all the time, it's easy cake. You can't do much against it, it limits your tactics and creativity. It should be useful to know if an area is clear or not, to know where to drop an orbital strike, stuff like that only, not to be omniscient all the time. The scan result should last only a couple seconds and the cooldown be much slower than it is now. No 360-¦ scans. It would take smarter and specific tactics to be used, now it's dumb-proof, easy mode. This^ Basically Solo Player Squad status: Locked



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