1. GRIND. This is the toughest one for CCP to address. It is probably a basic feature of a game of this kind - Eve is at least as bad, I gather. But basically the game feels like a job. I have to play a certain amount of time per week or I suffer a competitive disadvantage, and to play PC I have to be on at a particular, usually not very convenient time. I have a social life and a real job, and don't have time for another one.

2. LAG. The lag in PC is horrific. This is supposed to be the pinnacle of the game, the best versus the best, and half the time it's an absolutely unplayable 1 FPS slideshow. There are simple steps that could've been taken to improve things (e.g. remove equipment noise and animations) but CCP don't seem to care. For a long time pubs were much more enjoyable for me, just because the framerate is so much better, but you can only pwn noobs so many (in my case, 27,000) times before you've had your fill. FW is supposed to fill the gap, but it's laggier than pubs so why bother?

3. 1.7. I'm not one of these nostalgia junkies who says every update makes things worse, that things were better in beta, etc. Until 1.7 I thought the game had been progressively getting better. But 1.7 demolished any hope I had for the game. Not only is it a disaster, but it was obvious it would be a disaster and CCP went ahead anyway. They've basically told pure infantry players like me to go **** ourselves. Vehicle users get a respec, we get nothing. Vehicle users get God mode, we get to hide in buildings. To be honest, it's a good thing for me, as it makes it easy to leave, which I should do anyway (see points 1 and 2). But I'm guessing the plan wasn't to alienate the 80%+ of their playerbase who want to shoot at someone who can shoot back. More fundamentally, it shows me that CCP will always pander to the loudest QQers, regardless of the consequences for game balance.

That's why I'm going, flame away.

Totally agree. It is looking like Battlefield 4, GTA5 and Grand Turismo 6 for this kid. Dust is going to have to get a little dusty for me too. I am hoping they will fix it soon.

The disaster is 'the vehicle patch' addressed vehicles and not infantry even though we received our first new infantry toys in some time? You know 1.8 is the start of 'the infantry patches' right?

Do yourself a favor and don't biomass yourself or giving away your iskies. Come back in two or three months and see where infantry stands.

1. GRIND. This is the toughest one for CCP to address. It is probably a basic feature of a game of this kind - Eve is at least as bad, I gather. But basically the game feels like a job. I have to play a certain amount of time per week or I suffer a competitive disadvantage, and to play PC I have to be on at a particular, usually not very convenient time. I have a social life and a real job, and don't have time for another one.

2. LAG. The lag in PC is horrific. This is supposed to be the pinnacle of the game, the best versus the best, and half the time it's an absolutely unplayable 1 FPS slideshow. There are simple steps that could've been taken to improve things (e.g. remove equipment noise and animations) but CCP don't seem to care. For a long time pubs were much more enjoyable for me, just because the framerate is so much better, but you can only pwn noobs so many (in my case, 27,000) times before you've had your fill. FW is supposed to fill the gap, but it's laggier than pubs so why bother?

3. 1.7. I'm not one of these nostalgia junkies who says every update makes things worse, that things were better in beta, etc. Until 1.7 I thought the game had been progressively getting better. But 1.7 demolished any hope I had for the game. Not only is it a disaster, but it was obvious it would be a disaster and CCP went ahead anyway. They've basically told pure infantry players like me to go **** ourselves. Vehicle users get a respec, we get nothing. Vehicle users get God mode, we get to hide in buildings. To be honest, it's a good thing for me, as it makes it easy to leave, which I should do anyway (see points 1 and 2). But I'm guessing the plan wasn't to alienate the 80%+ of their playerbase who want to shoot at someone who can shoot back. More fundamentally, it shows me that CCP will always pander to the loudest QQers, regardless of the consequences for game balance.

That's why I'm going, flame away.

1. GRIND. This is the toughest one for CCP to address. It is probably a basic feature of a game of this kind - Eve is at least as bad, I gather. But basically the game feels like a job. I have to play a certain amount of time per week or I suffer a competitive disadvantage, and to play PC I have to be on at a particular, usually not very convenient time. I have a social life and a real job, and don't have time for another one.

2. LAG. The lag in PC is horrific. This is supposed to be the pinnacle of the game, the best versus the best, and half the time it's an absolutely unplayable 1 FPS slideshow. There are simple steps that could've been taken to improve things (e.g. remove equipment noise and animations) but CCP don't seem to care. For a long time pubs were much more enjoyable for me, just because the framerate is so much better, but you can only pwn noobs so many (in my case, 27,000) times before you've had your fill. FW is supposed to fill the gap, but it's laggier than pubs so why bother?

3. 1.7. I'm not one of these nostalgia junkies who says every update makes things worse, that things were better in beta, etc. Until 1.7 I thought the game had been progressively getting better. But 1.7 demolished any hope I had for the game. Not only is it a disaster, but it was obvious it would be a disaster and CCP went ahead anyway. They've basically told pure infantry players like me to go **** ourselves. Vehicle users get a respec, we get nothing. Vehicle users get God mode, we get to hide in buildings. To be honest, it's a good thing for me, as it makes it easy to leave, which I should do anyway (see points 1 and 2). But I'm guessing the plan wasn't to alienate the 80%+ of their playerbase who want to shoot at someone who can shoot back. More fundamentally, it shows me that CCP will always pander to the loudest QQers, regardless of the consequences for game balance.

That's why I'm going, flame away.

1. GRIND. This is the toughest one for CCP to address. It is probably a basic feature of a game of this kind - Eve is at least as bad, I gather. But basically the game feels like a job. I have to play a certain amount of time per week or I suffer a competitive disadvantage, and to play PC I have to be on at a particular, usually not very convenient time. I have a social life and a real job, and don't have time for another one.

2. LAG. The lag in PC is horrific. This is supposed to be the pinnacle of the game, the best versus the best, and half the time it's an absolutely unplayable 1 FPS slideshow. There are simple steps that could've been taken to improve things (e.g. remove equipment noise and animations) but CCP don't seem to care. For a long time pubs were much more enjoyable for me, just because the framerate is so much better, but you can only pwn noobs so many (in my case, 27,000) times before you've had your fill. FW is supposed to fill the gap, but it's laggier than pubs so why bother?

3. 1.7. I'm not one of these nostalgia junkies who says every update makes things worse, that things were better in beta, etc. Until 1.7 I thought the game had been progressively getting better. But 1.7 demolished any hope I had for the game. Not only is it a disaster, but it was obvious it would be a disaster and CCP went ahead anyway. They've basically told pure infantry players like me to go **** ourselves. Vehicle users get a respec, we get nothing. Vehicle users get God mode, we get to hide in buildings. To be honest, it's a good thing for me, as it makes it easy to leave, which I should do anyway (see points 1 and 2). But I'm guessing the plan wasn't to alienate the 80%+ of their playerbase who want to shoot at someone who can shoot back. More fundamentally, it shows me that CCP will always pander to the loudest QQers, regardless of the consequences for game balance.

That's why I'm going, flame away.

Lol the first patch ever to benefit pure vehicle users instead of pure infantry and you get people crying, funny thing is even when AV was OP they were still on the forums trying to get it buffed. Cya scrub, can I haz all your ISKies?

Rainbow Effect mad because they can't pubstomp tanks with Duvolle.

CanIhazISK?

Its sad because pc has nothing to do with eve, in the grand scheme of things its only relevant in the war room, its pure rubbish.

Sad to see you go, maybe if you pick a side in fw you might have had more fun, its basically pc matches back to back without all the trash you get on every level in pc.

Going to miss seeing you on my side as a blue randomly, cone back in a year?

o7

1. GRIND. This is the toughest one for CCP to address. It is probably a basic feature of a game of this kind - Eve is at least as bad, I gather. But basically the game feels like a job. I have to play a certain amount of time per week or I suffer a competitive disadvantage, and to play PC I have to be on at a particular, usually not very convenient time. I have a social life and a real job, and don't have time for another one.

2. LAG. The lag in PC is horrific. This is supposed to be the pinnacle of the game, the best versus the best, and half the time it's an absolutely unplayable 1 FPS slideshow. There are simple steps that could've been taken to improve things (e.g. remove equipment noise and animations) but CCP don't seem to care. For a long time pubs were much more enjoyable for me, just because the framerate is so much better, but you can only pwn noobs so many (in my case, 27,000) times before you've had your fill. FW is supposed to fill the gap, but it's laggier than pubs so why bother?

3. 1.7. I'm not one of these nostalgia junkies who says every update makes things worse, that things were better in beta, etc. Until 1.7 I thought the game had been progressively getting better. But 1.7 demolished any hope I had for the game. Not only is it a disaster, but it was obvious it would be a disaster and CCP went ahead anyway. They've basically told pure infantry players like me to go **** ourselves. Vehicle users get a respec, we get nothing. Vehicle users get God mode, we get to hide in buildings. To be honest, it's a good thing for me, as it makes it easy to leave, which I should do anyway (see points 1 and 2). But I'm guessing the plan wasn't to alienate the 80%+ of their playerbase who want to shoot at someone who can shoot back. More fundamentally, it shows me that CCP will always pander to the loudest QQers, regardless of the consequences for game balance.

That's why I'm going, flame away.

1. What do you expect from a player driven game? Especially Eve Online is more of a social / politics simulator than it is a game. PC matches not at convenient times for you? Look for another corp or do FW.

2.Also all that "being competitive" bullcrap: Just **** it, maybe? When you have 10 million SP and used them to specialize you are "competitive" enough.

3. The patch isn't even out a week. The bugs haven't even been hotfixed yet. You're jumping to conclusions. I guess we all noticed that the games performance took a huge hit with 1.7. But it won't always be like this. You just made the mistake of playing on patch day and not waiting before it is fixed, without having the patience to deal with it. ANd really: If you're one of these "I want to do something else now! Give me a respec!"-players then you're playing the wrong game anyways. Vehicle users got a respec because their whole skilltree was changed. They couldn't translate points in the current skilltree to the new one. It was the only possibility. Dust and Eve are games where respecs aren't necessary at all, because your skillpoints aren't limited. You can spec into everything. So no, they didn't tell anybody to **** off. They just did what is normal for the Eve Universe. You just have outlandish expactations.

4. Can I have your ISK?

PC matches not at convenient times for you? Look for another corp or do FW.

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Lol the first patch ever to benefit pure vehicle users instead of pure infantry and you get people crying, funny thing is even when AV was OP they were still on the forums trying to get it buffed. Cya scrub, can I haz all your ISKies?

Our timers are more or less as good as they could be for me. My point is that the whole thing of having to play at a specific time if you want a meaningful game, regardless of what's going on in your life, doesn't work for me. I prefer the game to fit in around my life, not the other way round, but maybe that's just me.

That's totally uncalled for.

Perhaps I was a bit too harsh but honestly all these patches and we finally get one designed for vehicles and people freak out. Plus, from what I have seen most people who say they are quitting either are just looking trying to get some attention so people talk them out of it or they are just venting. Maybe he quits for real, I dunno, but to get on the forums to do it usually means it's more about attention.

Perhaps I was a bit too harsh but honestly all these patches and we finally get one designed for vehicles and people freak out. Plus, from what I have seen most people who say they are quitting either are just looking trying to get some attention so people talk them out of it or they are just venting. Maybe he quits for real, I dunno, but to get on the forums to do it usually means it's more about attention.

Guess what: This will never change... in any game. Because to have "meaningful" games you will need good players to meet up at the same time. Because if you can just hop in you will always get your typical blueberries not knowing what they do. PC is "meaningful" because the corps tell who to send and especially larger corps don't allow every scrub to participate in PC. CCP can't change this.

You'll be back, they always come back.

Not true. I have not been back since July.

I thought he just wanted to let CCP know about his experience with their game in the hope they, you know, might actually improve their product.

But your WebMD psychology diagnosis makes much more sense.

Pauses from Kingdoms of Amalor.

Hi Tzu!

I am not upset about the vehicles.

CCP has no idea how to do weapon balance.
I.e. there are no defined weapon roles.
I.e. how hard is it to get a ten meter range CQC automatic shotgun for heavies and scouts??

Or a heavy weapon with a ten meter range thats an automatic forge gun??

Instead we get rifles Uber Alles for every range the rifles are best...lol.

Goes back to playing Kingdoms of Amalor.