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Izlare Lenix
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Posted - 2013.12.08 14:34:00 -
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Lately I have noticed more and more people using the scrambler pistols on both scouts and medium frames. After being killed by them dozens of times I started doing some research on them and I found most of the players that use these sidearms, especially the scouts, claim its the hardest sidearm to use in the game and it takes "a lot of skill." They also claim you gotta get head shoots.
Needless to say I didn't believe them especially after looking at all the stats and realizing most of them do more damage than the scrambler rifle and the pistols don't overheat like the rifle does. So I decided to make a new toon and try out these death dealing sidearms for the first time. (I have never used scrambler pistols before today as I only have SMG skilled on my main.)
My suspicions were correct about scrambler pistols being way overpowered and very easy to use. And you most certainly do not need head shoots to kill quickly. Most of my kills were not head shoots and they still dropped the target in half a clip or less. I also dropped several heavies without having to reload just by switching to my second TT-3. I would also say headshoots with the TT-3 was just as easy as with my SMG.
The following pictures were taken from games I played within about a 3 hour time frame both before and after today's downtime. Also i'm sorry about the quality. It was hard to take photos of my TV screen that allowed you to read the horrible font CCP uses.
I made the toon "TT-3 is 0P" and immediately skilled him into the TT-3. I decided to use a medium frame since I suck at being a scout and with suck low skills I needed some HP to actually be able to test the pistols. Here is a picture of all the skills i used during this test. you will see this is a very low SP toon, about 475K sp. http://i.imgur.com/Zkyb63S.jpg
This is the fit I used. Gallente Militia Medium Frame, Dual TT-3, nanohive, Militia armor repper and 2 militia plates. http://i.imgur.com/i53YOYN.jpg
Lastely I ran completely solo. I had no help from teammates, no intel, no scanners, no logi reps and no backup. I only had my nanohive as the pistols did chew through ammo pretty fast.
After training everything I needed I entered my first battle, the academy. Even though the noobs in academy are stupid and easy to kill, I was surprised how easy it was to use this pistol that is supposed to be so hard to use. http://i.imgur.com/HqUbdSj.jpg
My very next battle and first FW was a tough one against a full squad of Anonymous. While I did die a lot, I killed more. Also realize the suit I am using during this test is about 12K isk, so dirt cheap, compared to the advanced and proto I was up against during most of this test. http://i.imgur.com/v3e98o2.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/8C3Ouyy.jpg
After this match downtime kicked in but I came back for more when the server returned.
After downtime I played two average games but I came into both of them late. the main thing of note from these two games was my longest kill at 50 meters. 50 meters with a sidearm. While it did take 2 clips to kill him I still killed him at crazy range for a sidearm. http://i.imgur.com/y233P4u.jpg
My next game was better, http://i.imgur.com/dGhDyE2.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/GMGV2Yi.jpg
And my last battle was my best http://i.imgur.com/kBbmjHx.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/GSlgWxi.jpg. In this fight I was able to defend an objective from an entire squad with these hand cannons and I got another long ass kill at 43 meters.
Here is my final standing after only a few games, solely using scrambler pistols. 136 kills, 43 deaths with a 3.16 k/d. http://i.imgur.com/cTitaNA.jpg With proper skills, gear and training I'm sure I could do much, much better.
I was able to do this with a toon only a few hours old. Now you see why proto scouts with fully speced viziams, damage mods, dampeners and squad support are able to murder so easily. Its not really because they are so good. It is because these stupid scrambler pistols are WAY too powerful.
CCP, please look into these sidearms, they are too strong. |
Greasepalms
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Posted - 2013.12.08 14:39:00 -
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this is why we can't have nice things |
Pr0phetzReck0ning
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.08 14:51:00 -
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You were also playing against Noobs seeing as when you first create a toon you enter the Battle academy... so I'd say a good portion of your kills came from killin Noobs. Not all that impressive or convincing |
Izlare Lenix
FREE AGENTS LP
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Posted - 2013.12.08 14:54:00 -
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my first game was the academy. the other 7-8 I played were in FW as I stated. It was a mix of vets and new players. Also since I was alone I choose to test this around DT when the proto stompers are not in force. What good would it do me to play against two synced squads of proto vets? Can't test out these Over Powered pea shooters from the red line. |
Aisha Ctarl
Scions of Athra
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Posted - 2013.12.08 14:57:00 -
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OP, please just take your PlayStation and throw it into a small pond.
You're complaining about scrambler pistols, you don't deserve to play anything.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2013.12.08 14:59:00 -
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Get out of here and never comeback.
Scrambler Pistols are the most balanced thing in this game.
Don't. Touch. Them.
Also if you think these are OP you will absolutely rage at the Bolt Pistol that will be even more ridiculous.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:01:00 -
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No just freaking no! This is literally the gun that saves my ass on a regular bases if this nerf happens I'm putting a bounty on your head for 20 million isk.
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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Izlare Lenix
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:01:00 -
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They are balanced? Are you crazy. I was using a toon with less than 500K SP and killing Advanced and Proto gear in 5-6 shoots while wearing a militia suit. These are supposed to be side arms not main weapons. |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:03:00 -
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SMG's aren't suppose to have laser accuracy when ADS but yet it does.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:05:00 -
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Stomping in the Academy does not an OP weapon make!
Mollerz could probably get better scores with his Nova Knives in the Academy if he tried.
Not OP. Just please don't.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:06:00 -
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Is this guy serious? Quite a long post to be a troll. Wow, just wow.
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God Hates Lags
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:08:00 -
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Scrambler Pistols may be OP but I don't feel any action is needed on them until they get out of hand. And that being said, I haven't seen that many people using them. Also 3.16 isn't really that impressive, especially in the Academy, and especially considering that head shots have a time 5 bonus in the academy, so the scrambler is probably much more OP there than anywhere else.
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Izlare Lenix
FREE AGENTS LP
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:09:00 -
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It is obvious none of you read what i typed. I played ONE game in the academy. To get used to a weapon I have never used. The rest were FW missions. Look at the damn killboards I posted and you will see you are all incapable of understanding what this post is about. I have never used this weapon before, but on a one day old toon I rack up tons of kills because it is a very powerful weapon. That is my point. |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:09:00 -
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What needs to be looked at is the ability of people to jump from one thing to another to complain about.
The Scrambler Pistol is one of the few weapons that has not changed in a long time. I dare say that it is the same as it was since beta, but I cannot really push this idea forward without digging around for it. Back then, I didn't use the Scrambler Pistol as much as I do now.
With that said, do you know why the Scambler Pistol isn't as used as the other weapons in the game? It's a pistol. When you max out operations, the basic variant will have eleven shots outside of a certain Minmitar suit. The Assault variants, combined with eleven shots, is one of the most frightening things to run into in CQC. I'd rather run into a common Plasma Rifle user in close quarters instead of a Scrambler Pistol user. Before bonuses are applied, the Carthum does 88 damage. You combine that 88 plus the single prof. if requires, you have a pistol with eleven shots doing 90.64.
90.64 x 11 is 997.04. 997.04 for the full clip of a Carthum with prof. 1. That's a lot. The drawback of the Scrambler Pistol is simply that it is not a spray and pray weapon. Every shot is needed to take down a suit before that red takes you down with a fully automatic weapon, if not a semi-automatic that is charge based. I always had the philosophy with the Assault variants: "If I don't kill you in six shots, I am already dead." You see, I'm prof. 4 in Scrambler Pistols and I like to put Complex Damage Modifiers on it. Run into me, I'll drop you unless you shoot me in the back.
The range of the Scrambler Pistol is also a rather large drawback to using it. It's arguably the king of CQC, though it will always crumble at a certain range. I run around with two Assault Scrambler Pistols every now and then, and I'd say I'm rather familiar with the weapon.
Don't be a tourist. Commit to the cause and run it constantly. You'll see.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:13:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:It is obvious none of you read what i typed. I played ONE game in the academy. To get used to a weapon I have never used. The rest were FW missions. Look at the damn killboards I posted and you will see you are all incapable of understanding what this post is about. I have never used this weapon before, but on a one day old toon I rack up tons of kills because it is a very powerful weapon. That is my point.
Your right, I didn't read all the way through, because you kept saying crazy **** like "scrambler pistols are OP". but I did read over half way through though, if that makes you feel any better.
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:20:00 -
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If you think everyone is going to rush out and skill into the Scrambler Piston you are sadly mistaken. Before you say how great the weapon is try and use it in a real battle. No I am talking about against a squad of Molon Labe, Sever True blood, team players, outer heaven just to name a few. I assure you will not do as well as you think. Well if I see you I hope you do use your pistol because my Duvolle or my SMG would love to say hello.
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Izlare Lenix
FREE AGENTS LP
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:42:00 -
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So i guess all of you think a militia fit with an advanced weapon and 475K SP should kill everything that comes in front of it out to 50 meters? Because that is basically what I did with a weapon I have never used before. I killed advanced and some proto gear in almost every 1v1 I had. Most of my deaths were snipers, orbitals and me getting swarmed by a group of reds.
The point of my post is if little old me could do all of that the first day I ever picked up a damn scramber pistol it is obvious how much more powerful it is for players that have it maxed out. There is zero counter to this weapon. I would wait for someone to come around a corner and , blap, blap, blap there were dead before they saw me. I can understand that with a main weapon but not a damn side arm. And yes you can do this with a shotgun but a shotgun doesn't kill people out to 50 meters. |
Yoma Carrim
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:44:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:It is obvious none of you read what i typed. I played ONE game in the academy. To get used to a weapon I have never used. The rest were FW missions. Look at the damn killboards I posted and you will see you are all incapable of understanding what this post is about. I have never used this weapon before, but on a one day old toon I rack up tons of kills because it is a very powerful weapon. That is my point.
You did not get used to the weapon in one game. The AScP is a semi automatic pistol similar in fire rate to other basic pistols in other shooters. You have already grown used to how the weapon should perform by playing other shooters. It will tare through basic and advanced medium frames yes
but you need a fair number of head shots or two full clips to take down a core lvl5 skill heavy with 1200 EHP or a proto medium frame with around 1000 EHP
Please note that the ScP and AScP are limited by the amount of ammo they have available to them. With a full clip needed to take out most frames in pubs and having little more than four clips at your disposal the ScP is not a good choice as a primary weapon.
The weapon is powerful in close to medium range but anything beyond 50m you might as well be throwing pebbles. The ScP is a close encounter sidearm meant to dish out large amounts of damage to finish off......
ya know what screw it I'm just wasting words.
The ScP is powerful but not OP. To be OP a weapon must have an edge over every other weapon at all ranges at all times. The ScP has good damage but limited ammunition and range. It is effective but no replacement for a good primary. It is not OP
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:44:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Lately I have noticed more and more people using the scrambler pistols on both scouts and medium frames. After being killed by them dozens of times I started doing some research on them and I found most of the players that use these sidearms, especially the scouts, claim its the hardest sidearm to use in the game and it takes "a lot of skill." They also claim you gotta get head shoots. Needless to say I didn't believe them especially after looking at all the stats and realizing most of them do more damage than the scrambler rifle and the pistols don't overheat like the rifle does. So I decided to make a new toon and try out these death dealing sidearms for the first time. (I have never used scrambler pistols before today as I only have SMG skilled on my main.) My suspicions were correct about scrambler pistols being way overpowered and very easy to use. And you most certainly do not need head shoots to kill quickly. Most of my kills were not head shoots and they still dropped the target in half a clip or less. I also dropped several heavies without having to reload just by switching to my second TT-3. I would also say headshoots with the TT-3 was just as easy as with my SMG. The following pictures were taken from games I played within about a 3 hour time frame both before and after today's downtime. Also i'm sorry about the quality. It was hard to take photos of my TV screen that allowed you to read the horrible font CCP uses. I made the toon "TT-3 is 0P" and immediately skilled him into the TT-3. I decided to use a medium frame since I suck at being a scout and with suck low skills I needed some HP to actually be able to test the pistols. Here is a picture of all the skills i used during this test. you will see this is a very low SP toon, about 475K sp. http://i.imgur.com/Zkyb63S.jpgThis is the fit I used. Gallente Militia Medium Frame, Dual TT-3, nanohive, Militia armor repper and 2 militia plates. http://i.imgur.com/i53YOYN.jpgLastely I ran completely solo. I had no help from teammates, no intel, no scanners, no logi reps and no backup. I only had my nanohive as the pistols did chew through ammo pretty fast. After training everything I needed I entered my first battle, the academy. Even though the noobs in academy are stupid and easy to kill, I was surprised how easy it was to use this pistol that is supposed to be so hard to use. http://i.imgur.com/HqUbdSj.jpgMy very next battle and first FW was a tough one against a full squad of Anonymous. While I did die a lot, I killed more. Also realize the suit I am using during this test is about 12K isk, so dirt cheap, compared to the advanced and proto I was up against during most of this test. http://i.imgur.com/v3e98o2.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/8C3Ouyy.jpgAfter this match downtime kicked in but I came back for more when the server returned. After downtime I played two average games but I came into both of them late. the main thing of note from these two games was my longest kill at 50 meters. 50 meters with a sidearm. While it did take 2 clips to kill him I still killed him at crazy range for a sidearm. http://i.imgur.com/y233P4u.jpgMy next game was better, http://i.imgur.com/dGhDyE2.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/GMGV2Yi.jpgAnd my last battle was my best http://i.imgur.com/kBbmjHx.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/GSlgWxi.jpg. In this fight I was able to defend an objective from an entire squad with these hand cannons and I got another long ass kill at 43 meters. Here is my final standing after only a few games, solely using scrambler pistols. 136 kills, 43 deaths with a 3.16 k/d. http://i.imgur.com/cTitaNA.jpg With proper skills, gear and training I'm sure I could do much, much better. I was able to do this with a toon only a few hours old. Now you see why proto scouts with fully speced viziams, damage mods, dampeners and squad support are able to murder so easily. Its not really because they are so good. It is because these stupid scrambler pistols are WAY too powerful. CCP, please look into these sidearms, they are too strong.
All that for a scrambler pistol?? Cmon dood.
Also, Red Star is your number one manufacture of scrambler pistols! You want? WE GIVE YOU GOOOD DEAL! YOU WANT TO BUY IN BULK? WE GOT YOU COVERED!
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:44:00 -
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The Plasma Cann8n would be OP if you tested it in the academy genius. 
No.
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:44:00 -
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Immediately before or after downtime is a terrible time to be testing anything for effectiveness. Get in there at peak times if you want to see what stuff is like in normal matches against squads and organised players. This tiny piece of anecdotal evidence is irrelevant and meaningless.
Scrambler pistols are awesome weapons and I've been using them as my primary for well over a year now. However, they have serious drawbacks - you already noted the very limiting ammo capacity, which I regularly run out of; then there is also the range - while, yes you can still do something like 20-30 damage at around 50m, that is pretty much the limit and you'll note that that's not even the optimal range for a plasma rifle (let alone any other rifle).
I run the TY-5 breach with prof 5 and 2 complex damage mods, dealing perhaps 200hp damage per shot (+/-10% for shields/armor). That still requires 4 - 5 body shots to take out any well fit medium and 6+ for heavies; how many other weapons take a 6th of their entire ammo pool to kill a single suit? And that's within around 35m for optimum range! And max damage skills!
If you were using the TT3 with level 3 operation, that's what, 9 rounds in the clip? At 84 damage a shot, that's 560ish damage per clip. Any half decent medium or heavy suit is going to take at least a clip of that to take down and if you're managing to do that with a reload inbetween and still not getting killed first, that enemy was clearly absolutely terrible. Either that or you're getting headshots but even then, you have to be around 35m or less for them to have a real impact. That's half the effective range of most plasma rifles!
Now, tell me how that isn't balanced.
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Izlare Lenix
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:47:00 -
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Chunky its obvious you are not a genius as I did one academy battle and then seven more games outside of academy. I have stated that several times. |
TuFar Gon
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:50:00 -
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WHAT!! NOOOoooooooo,,,,SHhhhhhhh |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:50:00 -
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I don't believe this fifty meter number at all. That is more than half a football field. I think that you are just a terrible judge of distance. Try 30 or 35 for an effective use range maybe even less.
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Smooth Assassin
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:51:00 -
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Lol noob getting slaughtered by minmatar assault with scrambler pistol, i can't believe they let people with low likes to make OP threads already.
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Izlare Lenix
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:52:00 -
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I posted the damn screen cap that shows i killed someone at 49.8 meters. look at the picture. it took two clips but i could NEVER have done that with an SMG |
Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:52:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:There is zero counter to this weapon
Hahahahaha "ZERO COUNTER"!?!?!?!?
How about any weapon that can shoot more than 50m? How about a weapon that does more damage without even getting direct hits (mass driver)? How about the insane 500+ dps of rifles? That's almost as much per second as your TT3 does in an entire 9 round clip.
Why don't you try running around with a scrambler pistol in a PC match and tell us how well you did then? Because I do and it's damned tough and I have it maxed out.
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:52:00 -
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Honestly, the scrambler pistol is one of the best balanced weapons in the game. ANY weapon is overpowered as hell in the right hands. Especially once you get practice in. Just because its a sidearm doesnt mean it can kill you any less efficiently.
I main a single pistol, generally the tt-3 yes and will continue to do so long after this coming patch. I highly doubt they will get a nerf any time soon.
Pistols are high damage low rate of rife crit weapons that have very little range. But they fill a niche aside from keeping snipers alive. Their good for keeping shotguns off of me and killing any black suit I come across. Except black and yellow gallente suits...those things have a lot of armor.
Quit bitching about nice things. Especially ones that are actually fair.
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:53:00 -
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Lol just another noob getting slaughtered by minmatar assault with scrambler pistol, i can't believe they let people with low likes make OP threads this early.
Assassination is my thing.
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:53:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:I don't believe this fifty meter number at all. That is more than half a football field. I think that you are just a terrible judge of distance. Try 30 or 35 for an effective use range maybe even less.
Try more like 20 meters. The irons are good but if you engage outside of your range with the pistol your likely to lose if they know what their doing.
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Smooth Assassin
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:57:00 -
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This guy doesn't know what hes talking about, the low range and ROF can make most med frames to survive, the low zoom sucks for getting headshots and the low clip size AND the magazine does not work with it's ROF, it cannot even kill a heavy when emptying a clip and you've only got about 4 or 5 clips to use anyways.
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:58:00 -
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Somebody actually complained about getting killed by Plasma Cannons a few days ago, and now someone is complaint about pistols being OP? What is happening? Have the AR Brigade finaly run out of things to nerf?
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The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:01:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Somebody actually complained about getting killed by Plasma Cannons a few days ago, and now someone is complaint about pistols being OP? What is happening? Have the AR Brigade finaly run out of things to nerf?
Their getting upset because people like me are getting very good with our little pistols and know how to pump more damage out of them. And yes what was said earlier about 2 mags needed to kill a core 5 heavy is true. Thats actually why I carry a plasma cannon with my pistol at all times.
OP should seriously try running a single pistol as a light suit 24/7 see how situational that picky weapon can be.
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:02:00 -
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You're not gonna stop me getting my carthrum btw
Assassination is my thing.
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Izlare Lenix
FREE AGENTS LP
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:09:00 -
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Somebody please tell me another sidearm you can use with 500K SP that kills advanced and proto gear including heavies up close, at 10, 20 and 30 meters and even kills out to 50 meters if you catch a dude in the open. While killing people with 4-6 shoots. All while using a militia suit WITHOUT damage mods, and without any proficiency skill. what other sidearm does that? The only real drawback of this gun is the ammo. But I was carrying a hive so its a simple fix. And with the tons of logi's on the field and supply depots if you can't top of your ammo you suck anyways. |
Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:14:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Somebody please tell me another sidearm you can use with 500K SP that kills advanced and proto gear including heavies up close, at 10, 20 and 30 meters and even kills out to 50 meters if you catch a dude in the open. While killing people with 4-6 shoots. All while using a militia suit WITHOUT damage mods, and without any proficiency skill. what other sidearm does that? The only real drawback of this gun is the ammo. But I was carrying a hive so its a simple fix. And with the tons of logi's on the field and supply depots if you can't top of your ammo you suck anyways.
Knives will do the trick. Direct hits with the flaylock can still do it as well. This is a HIGH damage weapon and will likely remain so. Only saving grace is the damage and the multiplier. As far as logi's on the field, I cant go anywhere near that clusterfuck that is the mass of mediums plugging away at each other. Effective time in combat for my suit is a tenth of a second if Im caught in the open. Seriously, keep using the pistol on something other than a medium suit. Try it with a light suit as its meant to be used on. Quit trying to fix things that aren't broken :/
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Yoma Carrim
Situation Normal all fraked up
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Somebody please tell me another sidearm you can use with 500K SP that kills advanced and proto gear including heavies up close, at 10, 20 and 30 meters and even kills out to 50 meters if you catch a dude in the open. While killing people with 4-6 shoots. All while using a militia suit WITHOUT damage mods, and without any proficiency skill. what other sidearm does that? The only real drawback of this gun is the ammo. But I was carrying a hive so its a simple fix. And with the tons of logi's on the field and supply depots if you can't top of your ammo you suck anyways.
Ishikon Assault SMG nuff said. heck the normal ASMG dose that just fine. As for the 4-6 shot kill please play a normal pub and see how many shots it takes to kill half the people in there
That time when you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck
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Izlare Lenix
FREE AGENTS LP
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:19:00 -
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Ishikon assault is a proto weapon, i was using an advanced weapon. Also i was in normal pub matches. mostly FW. |
Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
119
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:19:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:Somebody please tell me another sidearm you can use with 500K SP that kills advanced and proto gear including heavies up close, at 10, 20 and 30 meters and even kills out to 50 meters if you catch a dude in the open. While killing people with 4-6 shoots. All while using a militia suit WITHOUT damage mods, and without any proficiency skill. what other sidearm does that? The only real drawback of this gun is the ammo. But I was carrying a hive so its a simple fix. And with the tons of logi's on the field and supply depots if you can't top of your ammo you suck anyways. Ishikon Assault SMG nuff said. heck the normal ASMG dose that just fine. As for the 4-6 shot kill please play a normal pub and see how many shots it takes to kill half the people in there
Your sig! Omg your siggy is what I do with my scout quite a bit when coming around corners XD Just add jumping and dodging bullets to the mix.
On the note of normal faction war matches, takes anywhere from 6 shots to a full mag. Six is with a headshot to drop shielding and a chunk of armor.
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
1866
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:22:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Somebody please tell me another sidearm you can use with 500K SP that kills advanced and proto gear including heavies up close, at 10, 20 and 30 meters and even kills out to 50 meters if you catch a dude in the open. While killing people with 4-6 shoots. All while using a militia suit WITHOUT damage mods, and without any proficiency skill. what other sidearm does that? The only real drawback of this gun is the ammo. But I was carrying a hive so its a simple fix. And with the tons of logi's on the field and supply depots if you can't top of your ammo you suck anyways.
Assault SMG - done.
22 damage per round; over 17 rounds per second; more than 374dps before prof and damage mods. That's like 5 body shots from your pistol in a second. Can you tap the button that fast whilst keeping your aim on? And you can easily kill people over 30m away with the ASMG.
At 50m your pistol is doing negligible damage and I'd never count using half your ammo to kill just one person at 50m as being even remotely worth it or something to cheer about in the slightest.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2502
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:23:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Chunky its obvious you are not a genius as I did one academy battle and then seven more games outside of academy. I have stated that several times.
You really don't get sarcasm do you?
No.
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
119
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:23:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Ishikon assault is a proto weapon, i was using an advanced weapon. Also i was in normal pub matches. mostly FW.
Advanced weapons are exactly that. Their advanced. 3 hours of gameplay is nothing to base test results on. Yes it is a very powerful weapon in a solid players hands. However despite the screaming of idiots, pistol is not op anymore and is indeed the most balanced weapon around.
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
119
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:25:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:No just freaking no! This is literally the gun that saves my ass on a regular bases if this nerf happens I'm putting a bounty on your head for 20 million isk.
Ill be upping that bounty to 50 mill and a free pair of clean boots.
Dedicated scout.
Player bodyguard
Pistol supremacy.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8491
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:31:00 -
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It's topics like these that make me worry about the future of this game. No doubt CCP is killing it themselves, but the community seems to like helping.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
120
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:35:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:It's topics like these that make me worry about the future of this game. No doubt CCP is killing it themselves, but the community seems to like helping.
People are indeed idiots...Sadly this is likely to continue on left and right. However a saving grace is that ccp doesn't coddle every whining person just what the majority of people say. They look at things and determine themselves if its balanced fairly. This person can complain all they want, throw money into the game so they feel they have a legal say in the matter if necessary. Fact is, the scrambler pistols are still the most balanced weapon around and its only just recently getting more attention thanks to the hundred if not thousands of mercs slain by myself and the people I've trained on it along with the few other dedicated users. I personally feel that CCP is doing fine with the game, they just need to introduce tiered matches for the future to solve alot of stomping issues when its just equipment thats the difference. People will see its more skill than the equipment eventually. Though I gotta admit, when its a klo vs a imperial scrambler its kinda one sided outside of 20m
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
580
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:44:00 -
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Ivy Zalinto wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:No just freaking no! This is literally the gun that saves my ass on a regular bases if this nerf happens I'm putting a bounty on your head for 20 million isk. Ill be upping that bounty to 50 mill and a free pair of clean boots.
You should change your sig to say pistol supremacist. Or not just a friendly sujestion.
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
121
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:47:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Ivy Zalinto wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:No just freaking no! This is literally the gun that saves my ass on a regular bases if this nerf happens I'm putting a bounty on your head for 20 million isk. Ill be upping that bounty to 50 mill and a free pair of clean boots. You should change your sig to say pistol supremacist. Or not just a friendly sujestion.
Lol yeah i thought about that earlier and gave it a fair think over. Its just filling space for my sig. The weapon itself actually is balanced. Ever try a breach or the burst? They actually need a bit of a buff. Not so much the breach, but the burst does.
Dedicated scout.
Player bodyguard
Pistol supremacy.
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Guildo Crow
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
167
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:49:00 -
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Aside from all the bickering. I'd like to address one aspect that the OP seems to have in his mind, that's completely incorrect.
ANY suit should be able to kill, ANY other suit.
Just because you are using a militia, or a militia variant of any weapon, module or suit, doesn't mean you should not be able to kill another using a higher Tier version.
There is a reason why there are diminishing returns with higher tier items. No one should be outclassed by SP alone.
And as an avid Militia/ Standard user, I think this game does a pretty decent job. ( a bit more fine tuning required though)
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
726
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:56:00 -
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OP
Sounds like you know are not a bad player, landing shots at 50m with the SCrP is not a simple feat, I question the skill of the player you unloaded two clips into at that distance butGǪ
Django made the points I would have made so I will not repeat those, as Django makes measured and reasonable responses, and I play my SCrP in a similar fashion (without dmg mods  ) What I will add isGǪ
Many of us using the SCrP are doing doing so dusting the regular proto times, and punching armour tanked fits with a weapon designed for shields is not easy. Most of us could switch to a higher range, higher DPS weapon and do much better with little investment.
Please before you make the conclusion that the SCrP is OP do a few experiments with different levels of play with it. Also I would suggest replicating your experiment using your preferred weapon and comparing the results in similar circumstances. Create a new toon and do the same experiment controlling as many variables as you can, see how the results compare?
Thank you
(Also the Breach SCrP is a totally different way of shooting great for improving your gun game)
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
2697
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:59:00 -
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So last night me and my bro-dogs ran some Skirm. We tore those noobs up!
Then we get into a match with some dudes named Mr Musturd and Cyrius Li-Moody. I knew they were friends 'cause they were running around like skinny little b*tches together in their Scout Suits. We ended up beating 'em and we all had like 5.0 and 10.0 KDRs (so you know we L33T). Musturd and Moody barely even went positive. They aren't even good (I checked their KDRs). That's how I know there's a problem with Scrambler Pistols ...
So I'm blasting some noob then out of nowhere blap-blap-blap-swoosh and I'm down. I was p*ssed! My buddies were laughing cause I kinda screamed a little. I hadn't died all night. Seriously, I had been posting like 20/0s and 30/0s all night. I steady pull those WP and anything under 10.0 is a bad game for me. I got my Logi dog and Fine Rifle, Proficiency V. Get on my level, dog ... that's mad-skills Proficiency 5 ... me and all my dogs.
Anyhow, a little while after I got hit, the same thing happened to my bro-dog. My bro-dog's like probably one of the best Scrambler Rifle users in the game. He kills sh*t in like under a half second. Doesn't even have to aim. So that's when we stopped laughing. Both of those Scouts were running Scrambler Pistols.
Those Scouts kept getting behind us with those bullsh*t scrambler pistols, and sometimes they could kill us before we even had a chance to defend ourselves. That's OP, dude. Even when a guy with a shotgun gets behind me, I can kill him no problem. It's easy cause I got like 1,200 HP (like all my bro-dogs). But some dude sneaks up behind me with a pistol and a knife? And I don't get a chance to defend myself? That's bullsh*t and I can prove it.
Afterwards, I created an alt and dumped all the SP I got into Scrambler Pistols. I ran through the Academy and ...  |
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
122
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:02:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:So last night me and my bro-dogs ran some Skirm. We tore those noobs up! Then we get into a match with some dudes named Mr Musturd and Cyrius Li-Moody. I knew they were friends 'cause they were running around like skinny little b*tches together in their Scout Suits. We ended up beating 'em and we all had like 5.0 and 10.0 KDRs. Musturd and Moody barely even went positive. They aren't even good (I checked their KDRs). That's how I know there's a problem with Scrambler Pistols ... So I'm blasting some noob then out of nowhere blap-blap-blap-swoosh and I'm down. I was p*ssed! My buddies were laughing cause I kinda screamed a little. I hadn't died all night. Seriously, I had been posting like 20/0s and 30/0s all night. I steady pull those WP and anything under 10.0 is a bad game for me. I got my Logi dog and Fine Rifle, Proficiency V. Get on my level, dog ... that's mad-skills Proficiency 5 ... me and all my dogs. Anyhow, a little while after I got hit, the same thing happened to my bro-dog. My bro-dog's like probably one of the best Scrambler Rifle users in the game. He kills sh*t in like under a half second. Doesn't even have to aim. So that's when we stopped laughing. Both of those Scouts were running Scrambler Pistols. Those Scouts kept getting behind us with those bullsh*t scrambler pistols, and sometimes they could kill us before we even had a chance to defend ourselves. That's OP, dude. Even when a guy with a shotgun gets behind me, I can kill him no problem. It's easy cause I got like 1,200 HP (like all my bro-dogs). But some dude sneaks up behind me with a pistol and a knife? And I don't get a chance to defend myself? That's bullsh*t and I can prove it. Afterwards, I created an alt and dumped all the SP I got into Scrambler Pistols. I ran through the Academy and ...
Its the same as a shotgun mate. Where your extra damage comes from multiple pellets hitting a target, ours comes from piercing damage applied to helmets.
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Ghost Kaisar
THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED
1004
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:08:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:So last night me and my L33T bro-dogs ran some Skirm. We tore those noobs up! After like five games of 20/0s and 30/0s, we get into a match with some dudes named Mr Musturd and Cyrius Li-Moody. I knew they were friends 'cause they were running around like skinny little b*tches together in their Scout Suits. We ended up beating 'em and we all still had like 5.0 and 10.0 KDRs. Musturd and Moody barely even went positive. They aren't even good ... I checked their KDRs. That's how I know there's a problem with Scrambler Pistols ... So I'm blasting some noob then out of nowhere blap-blap-blap-swoosh and I'm down. I was p*ssed! My buddies were laughing cause I kinda screamed a little. I hadn't died all night. Seriously, I had been posting like 20/0s and 30/0s all night. I steady pull those WP and anything under 10.0 is a bad game for me. I got my Logi dog and Fine Rifle, Proficiency V. Get on my level, dog ... that's mad-skills Proficiency 5 ... me and all my dogs. Anyhow, a little while after I got hit, the same thing happened to my bro-dog. My bro-dog's like probably one of the best Scrambler Rifle users in the game. He kills sh*t in like under a half second. Doesn't even have to aim. So that's when we stopped laughing. Both of those Scouts were running Scrambler Pistols. Those Scouts kept getting behind us with those bullsh*t scrambler pistols, and sometimes they could kill us before we even had a chance to defend ourselves. That's OP, dude. Even when a guy with a shotgun gets behind me, I can kill him no problem. It's easy cause I got like 1,200 HP (like all my bro-dogs). But some dude sneaks up behind me with a pistol and a knife? And I don't get a chance to defend myself? That's bullsh*t and I can prove it. Afterwards, I created an alt and dumped all the SP I got into Scrambler Pistols. I ran through the Academy and ...
AAAANNNNNDDD
There went my morning coffee. All over my monitor. 
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
3335
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:09:00 -
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I could stomp the academy with a plasma cannon (and I have)
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
582
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:10:00 -
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Ivy Zalinto wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Ivy Zalinto wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:No just freaking no! This is literally the gun that saves my ass on a regular bases if this nerf happens I'm putting a bounty on your head for 20 million isk. Ill be upping that bounty to 50 mill and a free pair of clean boots. You should change your sig to say pistol supremacist. Or not just a friendly sujestion. Lol yeah i thought about that earlier and gave it a fair think over. Its just filling space for my sig. The weapon itself actually is balanced. Ever try a breach or the burst? They actually need a bit of a buff. Not so much the breach, but the burst does.
I used to main scrambler pistols all the time back in the day. Check out this thread of mine from way back when (I am the OP if you'll notice the sig on the OP):
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63611
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
2057
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:10:00 -
[55] - Quote
Lol.
The day comes that side arms get nerfed and cannot kill someone in a clip (which 90% of suits take an entire clip to take down from a pistol, you ******* tourist) I'm out of here. You heard it first. The day idiots like this guy right here win and my side arms get nerfed into oblivion like the flaylock because some dude thinks an 11 shot pistol is OP is the day I officially throw my PS3 out the window.
I guess since this pistol is OP and I have so many skill points into it i should be going 50+/0 just like everyone wit a fully skilled duvolle. Oh wait.... I DONT! NOBODY DOES! BECAUSE ITS A ******* PISTOL!
The fact that you had to sink multiple clips into people at range makes LOL. Thats it. It's OP man. You have to use over HALF your ammo pool to kill someone outside of 20m.
So OP.
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Ghost Kaisar
THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED
1009
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:15:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Lol.
The day comes that side arms get nerfed and cannot kill someone in a clip (which 90% of suits take an entire clip to take down from a pistol, you ******* tourist) I'm out of here. You heard it first.
The day idiots like this guy right here win and my side arms get nerfed into oblivion like the flaylock because some dude thinks an 11 shot pistol is OP is the day I officially throw my PS3 out the window.
I guess since this pistol is OP and I have so many skill points into it i should be going 50+/0 just like everyone wit a fully skilled duvolle. Oh wait.... I DONT! NOBODY DOES! BECAUSE ITS A ******* PISTOL YOU NOOB
Don't throw the PS3 out the window!
We can still play Destiny when it comes out!
(actually more excited for destiny than the scout buff....)
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
2059
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:20:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Don't throw the PS3 out the window!
We can still play Destiny when it comes out!
(actually more excited for destiny than the scout buff....)
I just called someone a noob and tourist. This game is officially getting to me.
He still is a noob and tourist.
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Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
110
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:21:00 -
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if someone is fully skilled on the scrambler pistol and is a good player why he shouldnt murder everyone?, you need to be deadly accurate for the pistol to work properly, the weapon is powerful yes, but not op by a long shot, face it, every weapon can be used to kill everyone if you have the skill, even shotguns can murder everyone.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
2064
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:31:00 -
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Phazoid wrote:if someone is fully skilled on the scrambler pistol and is a good player why he shouldnt murder everyone?
Because it isn't an AR.
Because it isn't a light weapon.
Because it is a side arm.
Because he says so.
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Tech De Ra
Electronic Sports League
210
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:32:00 -
[60] - Quote
Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Don't throw the PS3 out the window!
We can still play Destiny when it comes out!
(actually more excited for destiny than the scout buff....)
I just called someone a noob and tourist. This game is officially getting to me. He still is a noob and tourist.
Dont sad moody, dont sad, Tech De Ra has been on tip of this for a long time :D,
The pistols as they stand are OP, but not as much as the op seems to think
I have discussed the pistol with wolfman and remnant extensively regarding a change that is a small nerf that wouldnt make the gun useless
Tech De Ra // Electronic Sports League Games Co-ordinator
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1450
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:36:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:They are balanced? Are you crazy. I was using a toon with less than 500K SP and killing Advanced and Proto gear in 5-6 shoots while wearing a militia suit. These are supposed to be side arms not main weapons.
You could be doing the exact same with an assault rifle, scrambler rifle or smg. Basically all the weapons that got a massive (unintentional) buff from the hit detection fix in 1.6
"HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete."
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
2064
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:42:00 -
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Tech De Ra wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Don't throw the PS3 out the window!
We can still play Destiny when it comes out!
(actually more excited for destiny than the scout buff....)
I just called someone a noob and tourist. This game is officially getting to me. He still is a noob and tourist. Dont sad moody, dont sad, Tech De Ra has been on tip of this for a long time :D, The pistols as they stand are OP, but not as much as the op seems to think I have discussed the pistol with wolfman and remnant extensively regarding a change that is a small nerf that wouldnt make the gun useless
Yeah and if its exactly what you and i have talked about that small factor really isn't much of a factor in actual game play on a moving target. That would merely be a fix for something that someone who isn't skilled cannot do anyway. So if that was what got fixed then whatever. Removing the stopping power these things have from within 30m would make them useless.
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CrotchGrab 360
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
489
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:44:00 -
[63] - Quote
Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote:You were also playing against Noobs seeing as when you first create a toon you enter the Battle academy... so I'd say a good portion of your kills came from killin Noobs. Not all that impressive or convincing
your post and the people who liked it are the reason why these issues will never get the attention they deserve.
you can lead a horse to water, but can you make it drink?
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CrotchGrab 360
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
489
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:45:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:They are balanced? Are you crazy. I was using a toon with less than 500K SP and killing Advanced and Proto gear in 5-6 shoots while wearing a militia suit. These are supposed to be side arms not main weapons.
Don't listen to them, this game is a sinking ship.
You've Been Hit By
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Tech De Ra
Electronic Sports League
211
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:46:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Don't throw the PS3 out the window!
We can still play Destiny when it comes out!
(actually more excited for destiny than the scout buff....)
I just called someone a noob and tourist. This game is officially getting to me. He still is a noob and tourist. Dont sad moody, dont sad, Tech De Ra has been on tip of this for a long time :D, The pistols as they stand are OP, but not as much as the op seems to think I have discussed the pistol with wolfman and remnant extensively regarding a change that is a small nerf that wouldnt make the gun useless Yeah and if its exactly what you and i have talked about that small factor really isn't much of a factor in actual game play on a moving target. That would merely be a fix for something someone who isn't skilled cannot do anyway. So if that was what got fixed then whatever. Removing the stopping power these things have from within 30m would make them useless.
Its pretty much exactly what we discussed, there is a small bit regarding short range, its barely noticable
Tech De Ra // Electronic Sports League Games Co-ordinator
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CrotchGrab 360
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
489
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:47:00 -
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calvin b wrote:If you think everyone is going to rush out and skill into the Scrambler Piston you are sadly mistaken. Before you say how great the weapon is try and use it in a real battle. No I am talking about against a squad of Molon Labe, Sever True blood, team players, outer heaven just to name a few. I assure you will not do as well as you think. Well if I see you I hope you do use your pistol because my Duvolle or my SMG would love to say hello.
he went up against a full squad of anon in a sub-500K suit and still pulled close to 30 kills. if that doesn't
make the scrambler pistol an extremely easy to use weapon then I don't know what does!!
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
2066
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:51:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:calvin b wrote:If you think everyone is going to rush out and skill into the Scrambler Piston you are sadly mistaken. Before you say how great the weapon is try and use it in a real battle. No I am talking about against a squad of Molon Labe, Sever True blood, team players, outer heaven just to name a few. I assure you will not do as well as you think. Well if I see you I hope you do use your pistol because my Duvolle or my SMG would love to say hello. he went up against a full squad of anon in a sub-500K suit and still pulled close to 30 kills. if that doesn't make the scrambler pistol an extremely easy to use weapon then I don't know what does!!
Also his longest kill was within the optimal kill zone of a side arm.
Sidearms > Light Weapons in cqc. He never killed a guy over 20+m.
WHAT? A SIDE ARM IS BETTER AT CQC THAN AN AR?
NERF IT BEFORE IT BREEDS
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Yoma Carrim
Situation Normal all fraked up
64
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:54:00 -
[68] - Quote
Tech De Ra wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Don't throw the PS3 out the window!
We can still play Destiny when it comes out!
(actually more excited for destiny than the scout buff....)
I just called someone a noob and tourist. This game is officially getting to me. He still is a noob and tourist. Dont sad moody, dont sad, Tech De Ra has been on tip of this for a long time :D, The pistols as they stand are OP, but not as much as the op seems to think I have discussed the pistol with wolfman and remnant extensively regarding a change that is a small nerf that wouldnt make the gun useless Yeah and if its exactly what you and i have talked about that small factor really isn't much of a factor in actual game play on a moving target. That would merely be a fix for something someone who isn't skilled cannot do anyway. So if that was what got fixed then whatever. Removing the stopping power these things have from within 30m would make them useless. Its pretty much exactly what we discussed, there is a small bit regarding short range, its barely noticable
Why do I get the feeling your talking about the headshot multiplier
That time when you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:57:00 -
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Assault Rifle == OP
Scrambler Rifle == OP
Scrambler Pistol != OP
OP kindly remove your head from your ass and take a fire axe to your PS3.
/thread
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The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:02:00 -
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LOL hes happy he got some pity kills against new players SMH
My PS3 is dusty ._.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:07:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:They are balanced? Are you crazy. I was using a toon with less than 500K SP and killing Advanced and Proto gear in 5-6 shoots while wearing a militia suit. These are supposed to be side arms not main weapons.
Not this again.
Anyway The scrambler pistol is one of the most powerful weapons in the game, this is true, but it takes considerable skill to wield, at least it used to before AA was turned back on and personally I don't know if it effects it, so it's a fair trade off.
Want to fix most weapons in dust: Get rid off AA.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Also. I just want to point out, DUAL SCRAMBLER PISTOLS? Jesus christ. If you're trying to lobby for something to get nerfed don't run the weapon back to back with each other. You're essentally doubling the clip size skewing any sort of fake data you're trying to collect.
Jesus.
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:12:00 -
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People don't seem to realize that sidearms should be just as efficient at killing as every other weapon out there. Most naval officers carry what on a ship? A sidearm when on duty. When they go to alert they might have a rifle but trust me to say a pistol is most sufficient to kill things if necessary. Ill be hunting people with a viziam today. Feel like wasting a bit of money in exchange for some fun.
Aim assist doesn't effect my pistols it seems. As I never turned it on. You've played me once before right? How'd I do if you remember.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:12:00 -
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I thought the Imperfects were good at trolling...
Nah. This still doesn't beat the Imps.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:17:00 -
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Ivy Zalinto wrote:People don't seem to realize that sidearms should be just as efficient at killing as every other weapon out there. Most naval officers carry what on a ship? A sidearm when on duty. When they go to alert they might have a rifle but trust me to say a pistol is most sufficient to kill things if necessary. Ill be hunting people with a viziam today. Feel like wasting a bit of money in exchange for some fun. Aim assist doesn't effect my pistols it seems. As I never turned it on. You've played me once before right? How'd I do if you remember.
I don't remember. 
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
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Izlare Lenix wrote:It is obvious none of you read what i typed. I played ONE game in the academy. To get used to a weapon I have never used. The rest were FW missions. Look at the damn killboards I posted and you will see you are all incapable of understanding what this post is about. I have never used this weapon before, but on a one day old toon I rack up tons of kills because it is a very powerful weapon. That is my point.
Maybe we just don't believe you
Btw on your main you probably use duvoll
Christ is lord
Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now.
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:26:00 -
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Your personal accounts are so convincing.
I once killed three people with one plasma cannon shot, OP OP OP!
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R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:04:00 -
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Right...so you test a weapon in the noob arena and then claim it's OP |
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Django Quik wrote:Immediately before or after downtime is a terrible time to be testing anything for effectiveness. Get in there at peak times if you want to see what stuff is like in normal matches against squads and organised players. This tiny piece of anecdotal evidence is irrelevant and meaningless.
Scrambler pistols are awesome weapons and I've been using them as my primary for well over a year now. However, they have serious drawbacks - you already noted the very limiting ammo capacity, which I regularly run out of; then there is also the range - while, yes you can still do something like 20-30 damage at around 50m, that is pretty much the limit and you'll note that that's not even the optimal range for a plasma rifle (let alone any other rifle).
I run the TY-5 breach with prof 5 and 2 complex damage mods, dealing perhaps 200hp damage per shot (+/-10% for shields/armor). That still requires 4 - 5 body shots to take out any well fit medium and 6+ for heavies; how many other weapons take a 6th of their entire ammo pool to kill a single suit? And that's within around 35m for optimum range! And max damage skills!
If you were using the TT3 with level 3 operation, that's what, 9 rounds in the clip? At 84 damage a shot, that's 560ish damage per clip. Any half decent medium or heavy suit is going to take at least a clip of that to take down and if you're managing to do that with a reload inbetween and still not getting killed first, that enemy was clearly absolutely terrible. Either that or you're getting headshots but even then, you have to be around 35m or less for them to have a real impact. That's half the effective range of most plasma rifles!
Now, tell me how that isn't balanced.
This. Honestly, it's a sidearm and a balanced one at that. Just because OP is an AR rager doesn't mean the rest of us who actually like having fun should have to suffer |
Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
Top Men.
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Izlare Lenix wrote:I posted the damn screen cap that shows i killed someone at 49.8 meters. look at the picture. it took two clips but i could NEVER have done that with an SMG
I've killed people at 117.5 using my Calas.
I've sniped ar snipers at 95m using ScrP.
The idea is landing ALL HEADSHOTS.
Plus, an AR can kill 3-4 full fit adv frames in one clip.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:18:00 -
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1.) this appears to be another argument of "that gun is stronger than my assault rifle!" nerf it! QQ. judging by the replies in this post, most people think you are flat out wrong.
2.) just stop with the "its a sidearm!" argument. i can GUARANTEE you that an Ishukone Assault SMG will tear your cheap ass starter fit up faster than you can blink. but we have yet to see many threads about the SMG being OP.
3.) stop hating on scouts. when is it enough? every time we find something that we can actually use to be useful on the battlefield, some crybaby (who normally uses a medium frame i might add) comes along and gets it nerfed.
if i ever see you in battle, i promise that you will witness my Viziam Scrambler Pistol firsthand.
Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:21:00 -
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Tech De Ra wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Don't throw the PS3 out the window!
We can still play Destiny when it comes out!
(actually more excited for destiny than the scout buff....)
I just called someone a noob and tourist. This game is officially getting to me. He still is a noob and tourist. Dont sad moody, dont sad, Tech De Ra has been on tip of this for a long time :D, The pistols as they stand are OP, but not as much as the op seems to think I have discussed the pistol with wolfman and remnant extensively regarding a change that is a small nerf that wouldnt make the gun useless
Well its a good thing the most glaring issues with the game are being tackled, do you know if this balance will take place before or after 3/14/14?
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Joel II X
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:26:00 -
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My main sidearm was the Pistol. Loved it for its RoF. And the breach is an extremely good finisher, especially with sidearm mods. I'm missing out on the TT-3, however, because I'm not sure whether we'll have a respec or not for the Ion Pistol. |
TunRa
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
246
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:27:00 -
[84] - Quote
If headshots and bodyshots did the same amount of damage THEN it would be OP. However as it currently is you will be more likely to be killed by a GEK-38 then a headshot by a SP.
Thanks CCP Foxfour
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Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
Top Men.
301
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:29:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Your personal accounts are so convincing.
I once killed three people with one plasma cannon shot, OP OP OP!
I got 5 biatch.
Also i killed a sica.
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Yoma Carrim
Situation Normal all fraked up
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:31:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Your personal accounts are so convincing.
I once killed three people with one plasma cannon shot, OP OP OP! I got 5 biatch. Also i killed a sica.
I got a madruga kill
Of course that was after a Ishikone AFG had its way with him
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:36:00 -
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Ivy Zalinto wrote:People don't seem to realize that sidearms should be just as efficient at killing as every other weapon out there. Most naval officers carry what on a ship? A sidearm when on duty. When they go to alert they might have a rifle but trust me to say a pistol is most sufficient to kill things if necessary. Ill be hunting people with a viziam today. Feel like wasting a bit of money in exchange for some fun. Aim assist doesn't effect my pistols it seems. As I never turned it on. You've played me once before right? How'd I do if you remember.
AA does affect pistols but it's actually really annoying because you'll be trying to snag a headshot and it'll get pulled onto the body instead!
The AA is useful for those longer 40m+ shots though. With that in mind, I think the first sensible change that should be made to everything in the game is that as soon as you are outside your optimal range, AA has zero effect.
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Punishers of Uranus
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props for the screenshots. |
Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:45:00 -
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the "sidearm" excuse is just plain noobish and bad, a sidearm is meant for killing things, you can blame the scrambler pistol doing its job efficiently, its not the AR which just makes the game stale, and you need skill, also dont mess with us scouts, we are already pissed, dont try to nerf a weapon thats mainly used by scouts, i guarantee you will be pistoled to death bi every scout on the game dude, so just drop the argument and build armor, just a friendly advice
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1299
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:01:00 -
[90] - Quote
The list of things I have seen is now complete.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:04:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:They are balanced? Are you crazy. I was using a toon with less than 500K SP and killing Advanced and Proto gear in 5-6 shoots while wearing a militia suit. These are supposed to be side arms not main weapons.
This sounds like a "militia suits shouldn't be able to kill people" whine and it's wrong - yes, militia suits and militia gear should be able to kill people. "Well scrambler pistol was taking 5-6 shots to kill people!" Which is either a full battery on an unskilled pistol, or 2/3rds of your battery on a skilled one - congrats you get one target down before you need to reload - the gun has stopping power and that's a good thing, sidearms aren't meant to be useless, the thing that prevents the pistol from being OP is its short engagement range and the fact that it doesn't have *staying* power (5-6 shots to drop one target out of a 10? round magazine with skills, as opposed to 5-8 shots out of a 50-60 round magazine).
The only thing that should really differentiate sidearms from (conventional) primary weapons is their ability to engage multiple targets consecutively. The scrambler pistol doesn't have that ability. Assault rifles, scrambler rifles, rail rifles etc do. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
1247
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:13:00 -
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Something this thread made me think of....
I hope CCP gives us a statistic that tells what percentage of your kills are with what weapon. I'm not saying that it should reset our kill numbers just that it should tell how many kills you had before this metric was tracked and how many kills you have since the metric has been tracked. Of the kills since it started tracking, it would tell what percentage have been with what weapon (down to the specific variant).
This way, we need simply look up on the killboard to know if the QQer is a Plasma/Scrambler Rifle scrub and should just be ignored outright.
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Zahle Undt
Unkn0wn Killers
Renegade Alliance
509
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:25:00 -
[93] - Quote
Izlare Lenix wrote:I posted the damn screen cap that shows i killed someone at 49.8 meters. look at the picture. it took two clips but i could NEVER have done that with an SMG
Pffffft I've bullseyed womprats at that range with a SMG
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Demon Buddah
NECROM0NGERS
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:33:00 -
[94] - Quote
This is almost as bad when someone complained about Nova Knives being OP lol. Go into an actual pub match or faction match then give us data. Are you guys really running out of things to scream OP that you have to attack the scout weapons again? Lol pathetic. You noob/tourist. |
Minako Nakajima
Vortex State Empire
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:45:00 -
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They're fine... IMO...
HEADSHOTS are ouch...
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:53:00 -
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I got 42/2 in Academy as a shotgunner.
OMG SHOTGUN IS OP OMG
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Yoma Carrim
Situation Normal all fraked up
72
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:55:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I got 42/2 in Academy as a shotgunner.
OMG SHOTGUN IS OP OMG
was wondering when you'd show up cat
When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck
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DEZKA DIABLO
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:32:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:I posted the damn screen cap that shows i killed someone at 49.8 meters. look at the picture. it took two clips but i could NEVER have done that with an SMG
Ok first I wanna call you a whole lot of names for being such a jacka$$ for making this thread.
Second I can only assume that for you to go through such trouble gathering reaserch your med frame AR account lost a ton of balacs in match to a scout squad rocking pistols with a ton of practice to pistol pros like Mr.Musturd, an I can Gaurentie you that if you let guys get the drop on you with any weapon your dead.
The rof on the Tt-3 is like 460 a AR is like 750 an smg is bout 1054 all will deliver a similar ttk if you shoot first an nothing in this game is as easy to use as a automatic weapon. Only difference is how it's used. My dual smg an flux nades have let me drop 4 guys in a pack cuz I suprised them.
Not to mention I've been killed by smg at 85m an a AR at 185m so don't get butthurt an make a thread deal wit it. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:33:00 -
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You used two TT-3 in an Academy game.
I don't have to make further points against you you fail to see that people like to try out new things and people discovered that pistols are fun. People became victims as people tried out something different and immediately blame a pattern amongst the masses as some proof that a weapon is unbalanced.
Pistols just happened to become FOTM and PS I've been using them since Chromosome and nobody's bitched then. Why now? No stats were changed. Pistol was barely ever changed. |
DEZKA DIABLO
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:50:00 -
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Flat out, people get killed by something their not used to dying from an they grow panties an pms, next thing you know AR is all that's left. But imagine scanner wernt in the game an you actually had a need for electronic skills, people would cry that scouts an sg an nk were op cuz they got stalked by scout squads.
Pistols an smgs have been the same since the dawn of time an cuz you got pistol whooped, you made a new character , joined the academy , shot up 9 yr olds before they went to school, took pictures an made a OP thread? Man your a d-bag. |
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The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
647
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Posted - 2013.12.08 22:15:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:I posted the damn screen cap that shows i killed someone at 49.8 meters. look at the picture. it took two clips but i could NEVER have done that with an SMG
I got a kill at 76.4 meters with the mm209 assult smg. Leave the scrambler pistol alone. |
Izlare Lenix
FREE AGENTS LP
21
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Posted - 2013.12.08 22:46:00 -
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I did one academy battle to get used to the weapon and then seven pub matches. Yet people are ignoring the info I posted about the pub matches. They are also ignoring the fact this was done with a one day old toon with 475k SP. The ScP lovers can believe what they want but it doesn't change the screen caps I posted from pub matches. The main problem is not what the ScP can do but how fast it does it. I dropped most of my targets before they even got a shoot off. I also killed several in groups. The match I played against ANONYMOUS they were running together. But I could still pick a few off before they killed me time and time again. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
1249
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Posted - 2013.12.08 22:54:00 -
[103] - Quote
Izlare Lenix wrote:I did one academy battle to get used to the weapon and then seven pub matches. Yet people are ignoring the info I posted about the pub matches. They are also ignoring the fact this was done with a one day old toon with 475k SP. The ScP lovers can believe what they want but it doesn't change the screen caps I posted from pub matches. The main problem is not what the ScP can do but how fast it does it. I dropped most of my targets before they even got a shoot off. I also killed several in groups. The match I played against ANONYMOUS they were running together. But I could still pick a few off before they killed me time and time again.
Alot of people are saying the scrambler rifle is OP because it kills so fast. Theses pistols kill almost as fast as a rifle. But yeah that sounds balanced.
So ******* what?
I've done the same thing on an alt with an AR just for gits and shiggles.
My suspicions were confirmed, AR == OP
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2013.12.08 23:06:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:I did one academy battle to get used to the weapon and then seven pub matches. Yet people are ignoring the info I posted about the pub matches. They are also ignoring the fact this was done with a one day old toon with 475k SP. The ScP lovers can believe what they want but it doesn't change the screen caps I posted from pub matches. The main problem is not what the ScP can do but how fast it does it. I dropped most of my targets before they even got a shoot off. I also killed several in groups. The match I played against ANONYMOUS they were running together. But I could still pick a few off before they killed me time and time again.
Alot of people are saying the scrambler rifle is OP because it kills so fast. Theses pistols kill almost as fast as a rifle. But yeah that sounds balanced.
I did not ignore this in my response. I suggested you continue with a control method for your experiment before coming to a conclusion. Try it and let us know what you find after that.
Frankly you are arguing against it being a skill weapon but your examples show that you have skill with aimingGǪ so this makes me question the validity of that argument. Also since you are comparing from a "dry run" on a new account you should see how it compares to whatever it is that you are used to. (I make no assumptions about the weapon you use, so hopefully it is not something completely different in terms of aiming mechanics i.e. Massdriver.)
Give it a real attempt at an unbiased view.
Llast 326 wrote:OP Sounds like you are not a bad player, landing shots at 50m with the SCrP is not a simple feat, I question the skill of the player you unloaded two clips into at that distance butGǪ Django made the points I would have made so I will not repeat those, as Django makes measured and reasonable responses, and I play my SCrP in a similar fashion (without dmg mods ) What I will add isGǪ Many of us using the SCrP are doing doing so dusting the regular proto times, and punching armour tanked fits with a weapon designed for shields is not easy. Most of us could switch to a higher range, higher DPS weapon and do much better with little investment. Please before you make the conclusion that the SCrP is OP do a few experiments with different levels of play with it. Also I would suggest replicating your experiment using your preferred weapon and comparing the results in similar circumstances. Create a new toon and do the same experiment controlling as many variables as you can, see how the results compare? Thank you (Also the Breach SCrP is a totally different way of shooting great for improving your gun game)
I shot a man in Black Rise onceGǪ Just to watch him die
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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
106
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Posted - 2013.12.08 23:12:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:So i guess all of you think a militia fit with an advanced weapon and 475K SP should kill everything that comes in front of it out to 50 meters? Because that is basically what I did with a weapon I have never used before. I killed advanced and some proto gear in almost every 1v1 I had. Most of my deaths were snipers, orbitals and me getting swarmed by a group of reds.
The point of my post is if little old me could do all of that the first day I ever picked up a damn scramber pistol it is obvious how much more powerful it is for players that have it maxed out. There is zero counter to this weapon. I would wait for someone to come around a corner and , blap, blap, blap there were dead before they saw me. I can understand that with a main weapon but not a damn side arm. And yes you can do this with a shotgun but a shotgun doesn't kill people out to 50 meters.
Dont even argue with them, they act the same way with their swarms and ARs. Want to know the worst weapon? HMG |
Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
130
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Posted - 2013.12.08 23:36:00 -
[106] - Quote
This is just a troll thread ... right?  |
Yoma Carrim
Situation Normal all fraked up
79
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Posted - 2013.12.08 23:57:00 -
[107] - Quote
Ruthless Lee wrote:This is just a troll thread ... right?
Sadly no its been going on all day to
When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck
Logi, Tanker, Heavy
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Jammeh McJam
Robbing The Hood
Public Disorder.
61
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:02:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:They are balanced? Are you crazy. I was using a toon with less than 500K SP and killing Advanced and Proto gear in 5-6 shoots while wearing a militia suit. These are supposed to be side arms not main weapons.
So? I've got 39 kills in a starter fit before so killing proto's in an advances sidearm isn't something to brag about
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KING CHECKMATE
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Lately I have noticed more and more people using the scrambler pistols on both scouts and medium frames. After being killed by them dozens of times I started doing some research on them and I found most of the players that use these sidearms, especially the scouts, claim its the hardest sidearm to use in the game and it takes "a lot of skill." They also claim you gotta get head shoots. Needless to say I didn't believe them especially after looking at all the stats and realizing most of them do more damage than the scrambler rifle and the pistols don't overheat like the rifle does. So I decided to make a new toon and try out these death dealing sidearms for the first time. (I have never used scrambler pistols before today as I only have SMG skilled on my main.) My suspicions were correct about scrambler pistols being way overpowered and very easy to use. And you most certainly do not need head shoots to kill quickly. Most of my kills were not head shoots and they still dropped the target in half a clip or less. I also dropped several heavies without having to reload just by switching to my second TT-3. I would also say headshoots with the TT-3 was just as easy as with my SMG. The following pictures were taken from games I played within about a 3 hour time frame both before and after today's downtime. Also i'm sorry about the quality. It was hard to take photos of my TV screen that allowed you to read the horrible font CCP uses. I made the toon "TT-3 is 0P" and immediately skilled him into the TT-3. I decided to use a medium frame since I suck at being a scout and with suck low skills I needed some HP to actually be able to test the pistols. Here is a picture of all the skills i used during this test. you will see this is a very low SP toon, about 475K sp. http://i.imgur.com/Zkyb63S.jpgThis is the fit I used. Gallente Militia Medium Frame, Dual TT-3, nanohive, Militia armor repper and 2 militia plates. http://i.imgur.com/i53YOYN.jpgLastely I ran completely solo. I had no help from teammates, no intel, no scanners, no logi reps and no backup. I only had my nanohive as the pistols did chew through ammo pretty fast. After training everything I needed I entered my first battle, the academy. Even though the noobs in academy are stupid and easy to kill, I was surprised how easy it was to use this pistol that is supposed to be so hard to use. http://i.imgur.com/HqUbdSj.jpgMy very next battle and first FW was a tough one against a full squad of Anonymous. While I did die a lot, I killed more. Also realize the suit I am using during this test is about 12K isk, so dirt cheap, compared to the advanced and proto I was up against during most of this test. http://i.imgur.com/v3e98o2.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/8C3Ouyy.jpgAfter this match downtime kicked in but I came back for more when the server returned. After downtime I played two average games but I came into both of them late. the main thing of note from these two games was my longest kill at 50 meters. 50 meters with a sidearm. While it did take 2 clips to kill him I still killed him at crazy range for a sidearm. http://i.imgur.com/y233P4u.jpgMy next game was better, http://i.imgur.com/dGhDyE2.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/GMGV2Yi.jpgAnd my last battle was my best http://i.imgur.com/kBbmjHx.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/GSlgWxi.jpg. In this fight I was able to defend an objective from an entire squad with these hand cannons and I got another long ass kill at 43 meters. Here is my final standing after only a few games, solely using scrambler pistols. 136 kills, 43 deaths with a 3.16 k/d. http://i.imgur.com/cTitaNA.jpg With proper skills, gear and training I'm sure I could do much, much better. I was able to do this with a toon only a few hours old. Now you see why proto scouts with fully speced viziams, damage mods, dampeners and squad support are able to murder so easily. Its not really because they are so good. It is because these stupid scrambler pistols are WAY too powerful. CCP, please look into these sidearms, they are too strong.
Look bro. Sidearms are not supposed to be WEAK , they are to be SHORT RANGED , support weapons.
Even with a SCR-P I can drop any SCR-P user with my SCR RIFLE, maybe drawing rather frequently with good ol scout friend Mr.Musturd.But hes a skilled turd.
SCR-Rifle has RANGE, more RoF, a Red dot sight and the ability to charge, not to mention a 45 clip mag. (all for a fair exchange of massive Fitting requirements)
the SCR-P is FINE as it is.
If i show you what i can do with dual SMG's you would probably want a nerf on them too...damn...
(I am a SMG user as sidea arm, was my main while scouting)
Good thread , well explained, goo...
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:14:00 -
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Plus if its SO op,you should use it YOURSELF in you MAIN...
Right?
But you aint doing it, because you wont risk getting out ranged or running out of ammo mid gunfight.
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:17:00 -
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Of all the ridiculous things you could have possibly said is OP you picked SCPs?
What makes you think that a sidearm is supposed to be weak? They are support weapons.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:23:00 -
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1) How exactly is it OP?
2) Care to back up your claim using maths?
3) You say you use, scrambler pistol, but the only time you show us is for a 50m kill, which may or not been with scrambler pistol.
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The gun is mightier than both
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DEZKA DIABLO
Commando Perkone
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:24:00 -
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Read the thread an don't comment an let it die, stop the AR users from nerfing everything but AR. Their scared kittens , ha ha imagine scouts got AR And med frames god if that's what you want, nerf our side arms you won't like the result, we have more skill in weaker suits deal Wit it |
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Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:25:00 -
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OK, so I just needed to say this.
Multiple times in this thread, people have stated that sidearms are "support" weapons.
Logistics are supposed to be a "support" class.
Coincidence?
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:27:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:OK, so I just needed to say this.
Multiple times in this thread, people have stated that sidearms are "support" weapons.
Logistics are supposed to be a "support" class.
Coincidence?
I'm afraid to ask where your going with that sir
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Osmon Surveillance
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:28:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:They are balanced? Are you crazy. I was using a toon with less than 500K SP and killing Advanced and Proto gear in 5-6 shoots while wearing a militia suit. These are supposed to be side arms not main weapons.
I'm using a miliia AR on the starter fit and killing protos in 1-2 seconds.
Your point is?....
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Unless you are skimming
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:28:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:OK, so I just needed to say this.
Multiple times in this thread, people have stated that sidearms are "support" weapons.
Logistics are supposed to be a "support" class.
Coincidence?
No
but . . .
Support . . .
You keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means
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The gun is mightier than both
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:49:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:OK, so I just needed to say this.
Multiple times in this thread, people have stated that sidearms are "support" weapons.
Logistics are supposed to be a "support" class.
Coincidence? No but . . . Support . . .
You keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means
Is this where you try to tell me that ARs and Scrambler Rifles are "Support weapons" too?
Please enlighten me with your definition of "support"
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Bobbit's Hangmen
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:58:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:I did one academy battle to get used to the weapon and then seven pub matches. Yet people are ignoring the info I posted about the pub matches. They are also ignoring the fact this was done with a one day old toon with 475k SP. The ScP lovers can believe what they want but it doesn't change the screen caps I posted from pub matches. The main problem is not what the ScP can do but how fast it does it. I dropped most of my targets before they even got a shoot off. I also killed several in groups. The match I played against ANONYMOUS they were running together. But I could still pick a few off before they killed me time and time again.
Alot of people are saying the scrambler rifle is OP because it kills so fast. Theses pistols kill almost as fast as a rifle. But yeah that sounds balanced.
Huge range difference. Judging from the responses in this thread the popular vote is that they are a threat in the right hands, but see so little action outside of those that specialize in them that they likely wont be changed if only very little. When the free market comes around ill be upgrading to wolfman pistol on my good suits. Then people will really complain. I currently have ...3. Just stop trying to chase the scouts down, we will rip your face off when you corner us with anything at our disposal including the mag from the plasma cannon (you know the little tube thing that you load into it?). You might just need to vary your tactics vs pistol users...like not get close to them.
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Yoma Carrim
Situation Normal all fraked up
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:58:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:OK, so I just needed to say this.
Multiple times in this thread, people have stated that sidearms are "support" weapons.
Logistics are supposed to be a "support" class.
Coincidence? No but . . . Support . . .
You keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means Is this where you try to tell me that ARs and Scrambler Rifles are "Support weapons" too? Please enlighten me with your definition of "support"
Maybe I should stop you right there
By support I believe he means it is a none primary weapon. a back up if you will
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Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.12.09 01:10:00 -
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So does this mean well be seeing Nyan Sain running around with Carthums and Viziams? I'd reinstall just to see that.
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Yoma Carrim
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Posted - 2013.12.09 01:18:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:So does this mean well be seeing Nyan Sain running around with Carthums and Viziams? I'd reinstall just to see that.
breath...breath... stop... laughing... and... breath
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
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Posted - 2013.12.09 01:20:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:So does this mean well be seeing Nyan Sain running around with Carthums and Viziams? I'd reinstall just to see that.
I matched against them yesterday...couldnt get in range to use my pistol at all XD So I pulled out a laser rifle and aimed for the suits that looked the most expensive. Not that it hurt them much, just made me feel better
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Posted - 2013.12.09 01:20:00 -
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I knew from the start they were OP in the right hands (except the Plasma Cannon...), the last game score (34-2) is pretty convincing. If he comes into battle with that account, them I will see if he truly has skill, and will test his faith in using the most underrated OP weapon there is. Past 20 meters this weapon is beat easily.
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Posted - 2013.12.09 01:28:00 -
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I think the op tripped and hit his head the scp isnt op its good at what it does its a like a magnum from other games which are also powerful but low clip size weapons also newberrys cant count as your kills they haven't played before there have no clue what there doing here
just call me scumbag noob
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Ivy Zalinto wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:Somebody please tell me another sidearm you can use with 500K SP that kills advanced and proto gear including heavies up close, at 10, 20 and 30 meters and even kills out to 50 meters if you catch a dude in the open. While killing people with 4-6 shoots. All while using a militia suit WITHOUT damage mods, and without any proficiency skill. what other sidearm does that? The only real drawback of this gun is the ammo. But I was carrying a hive so its a simple fix. And with the tons of logi's on the field and supply depots if you can't top of your ammo you suck anyways. Knives will do the trick. Direct hits with the flaylock can still do it as well. This is a HIGH damage weapon and will likely remain so. Only saving grace is the damage and the multiplier. As far as logi's on the field, I cant go anywhere near that clusterfuck that is the mass of mediums plugging away at each other. Effective time in combat for my suit is a tenth of a second if Im caught in the open. Seriously, keep using the pistol on something other than a medium suit. Try it with a light suit as its meant to be used on. Quit trying to fix things that aren't broken :/
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Posted - 2013.12.09 01:44:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote: if this nerf happens I'm putting a bounty on your head for 20 million isk.
Well I do know a guy who does this kinda thing |
ninja draco
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Posted - 2013.12.09 01:47:00 -
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I've heard the same thing said about militia shotguns, protostompers crying because a scout managed to sneak up on them and kill them with a shotgun, they disregard the 1000 times that they wasted a scout with 3 rounds from their AR |
Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
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Posted - 2013.12.09 02:08:00 -
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The OP is correct to a certain extent, the Scrambler Pistol is a devastating weapon within it's optimal range. But I'd have a tough time calling it over powered based on the findings. In particular:
Izlare Lenix wrote:
After downtime I played two average games but I came into both of them late. the main thing of note from these two games was my longest kill at 50 meters. 50 meters with a sidearm. While it did take 2 clips to kill him I still killed him at crazy range for a sidearm.
Aside form the question on how you managed to empty two clips into someone at 50m without them taking a step to the side, I don't see the problem here. It took two clips at max range, or about half of your total ammo, to take down a target within the upper limits of the effective range of the weapon. That seems entirely reasonable to me. Two clips from an GEK AR at 80m will give you a similar effect.
As others have said, try again on a new alt using your preferred weapon, or even just an AR, to advanced and see how you go. I expect the results will be similar, as they're due to you being a vet, not the quality of the weapon.
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Posted - 2013.12.09 02:31:00 -
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SMG is more consistent. Scrambler pistol can put the hurt on at CQC 1:1 and may drop a surprised heavy with the lead shot to the head and the clip to the body if he starts bouncing. Favourite is to use it against the drive by heavies who jump out of taxis and open up. Mind you if/when you miss they get to run over you dead body. If not you get to run over theirs with the taxi.
I have killed a sniper with one. Mind you I snuck up on her and emptied the pistol. Very satisfying.
But the SMG is much better to have if you get surprised or are supporting several others. The pistol is for dueling but like all flankers watch out for scanning and shotguns.
How many of those matches were you scanned constantly in?
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Posted - 2013.12.09 02:42:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:calvin b wrote:If you think everyone is going to rush out and skill into the Scrambler Piston you are sadly mistaken. Before you say how great the weapon is try and use it in a real battle. No I am talking about against a squad of Molon Labe, Sever True blood, team players, outer heaven just to name a few. I assure you will not do as well as you think. Well if I see you I hope you do use your pistol because my Duvolle or my SMG would love to say hello. he went up against a full squad of anon in a sub-500K suit and still pulled close to 30 kills. if that doesn't make the scrambler pistol an extremely easy to use weapon then I don't know what does!! Also his longest kill was within the optimal kill zone of a side arm. Sidearms > Light Weapons in cqc. He never killed a guy over 20+m. WHAT? A SIDE ARM IS BETTER AT CQC THAN AN AR? NERF IT BEFORE IT BREEDS
IN real life a pistol cannot do **** vs body armor Wuttttttttttttttttttttttt? A SIDE ARM IS BETTER AT CQC THAN AN AR? |
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Posted - 2013.12.09 04:21:00 -
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FAKIR REDETTa wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:calvin b wrote:If you think everyone is going to rush out and skill into the Scrambler Piston you are sadly mistaken. Before you say how great the weapon is try and use it in a real battle. No I am talking about against a squad of Molon Labe, Sever True blood, team players, outer heaven just to name a few. I assure you will not do as well as you think. Well if I see you I hope you do use your pistol because my Duvolle or my SMG would love to say hello. he went up against a full squad of anon in a sub-500K suit and still pulled close to 30 kills. if that doesn't make the scrambler pistol an extremely easy to use weapon then I don't know what does!! Also his longest kill was within the optimal kill zone of a side arm. Sidearms > Light Weapons in cqc. He never killed a guy over 20+m. WHAT? A SIDE ARM IS BETTER AT CQC THAN AN AR? NERF IT BEFORE IT BREEDS IN real life a pistol cannot do **** vs body armor Wuttttttttttttttttttttttt? A SIDE ARM IS BETTER AT CQC THAN AN AR?
Yep. In RL, most rifle rounds rely on penetration to punch holes through their target. Most pistols rely on releasing their potential energy into the target turning internal tissue into pulp. So it's a true to life, or death, fact that combat pistols actually do more damage to a soft target within their effective ranges than combat rifles at any range.
Soft target = person with or without body armor.
Hard target = many vehicles and structures.
Hardened target = reinforced structures and armored vehicles.
The forge gun splash radius nerf has not diminished my ability to kill infantry with it. Thank you.
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Lost Millennium
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Posted - 2013.12.09 07:00:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:OK, so I just needed to say this.
Multiple times in this thread, people have stated that sidearms are "support" weapons.
Logistics are supposed to be a "support" class.
Coincidence? No but . . . Support . . .
You keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means Is this where you try to tell me that ARs and Scrambler Rifles are "Support weapons" too? Please enlighten me with your definition of "support" Maybe I should stop you right there By support I believe he means it is a none primary weapon. a back up if you will
Well support is defined as
enable to function or act.
So I don't see where support being inferior comes from, if it allows another unit to fight more effectively then it is a support.
In addition I don't see where Sidearms are meant to be support weapons anyway. The reason people thing they are overpowered is because of how they use them, themselves.
If they are overpowered, CCP will see it in the stats, like they did with the flaylock.
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.09 10:27:00 -
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FAKIR REDETTa wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:calvin b wrote:If you think everyone is going to rush out and skill into the Scrambler Piston you are sadly mistaken. Before you say how great the weapon is try and use it in a real battle. No I am talking about against a squad of Molon Labe, Sever True blood, team players, outer heaven just to name a few. I assure you will not do as well as you think. Well if I see you I hope you do use your pistol because my Duvolle or my SMG would love to say hello. he went up against a full squad of anon in a sub-500K suit and still pulled close to 30 kills. if that doesn't make the scrambler pistol an extremely easy to use weapon then I don't know what does!! Also his longest kill was within the optimal kill zone of a side arm. Sidearms > Light Weapons in cqc. He never killed a guy over 20+m. WHAT? A SIDE ARM IS BETTER AT CQC THAN AN AR? NERF IT BEFORE IT BREEDS IN real life a pistol cannot do **** vs body armor Wuttttttttttttttttttttttt? A SIDE ARM IS BETTER AT CQC THAN AN AR?
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Posted - 2013.12.09 10:30:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Lately I have noticed more and more people using the scrambler pistols on both scouts and medium frames. After being killed by them dozens of times I started doing some research on them and I found most of the players that use these sidearms, especially the scouts, claim its the hardest sidearm to use in the game and it takes "a lot of skill." They also claim you gotta get head shoots. Needless to say I didn't believe them especially after looking at all the stats and realizing most of them do more damage than the scrambler rifle and the pistols don't overheat like the rifle does. So I decided to make a new toon and try out these death dealing sidearms for the first time. (I have never used scrambler pistols before today as I only have SMG skilled on my main.) My suspicions were correct about scrambler pistols being way overpowered and very easy to use. And you most certainly do not need head shoots to kill quickly. Most of my kills were not head shoots and they still dropped the target in half a clip or less. I also dropped several heavies without having to reload just by switching to my second TT-3. I would also say headshoots with the TT-3 was just as easy as with my SMG. The following pictures were taken from games I played within about a 3 hour time frame both before and after today's downtime. Also i'm sorry about the quality. It was hard to take photos of my TV screen that allowed you to read the horrible font CCP uses. I made the toon "TT-3 is 0P" and immediately skilled him into the TT-3. I decided to use a medium frame since I suck at being a scout and with suck low skills I needed some HP to actually be able to test the pistols. Here is a picture of all the skills i used during this test. you will see this is a very low SP toon, about 475K sp. http://i.imgur.com/Zkyb63S.jpgThis is the fit I used. Gallente Militia Medium Frame, Dual TT-3, nanohive, Militia armor repper and 2 militia plates. http://i.imgur.com/i53YOYN.jpgLastely I ran completely solo. I had no help from teammates, no intel, no scanners, no logi reps and no backup. I only had my nanohive as the pistols did chew through ammo pretty fast. After training everything I needed I entered my first battle, the academy. Even though the noobs in academy are stupid and easy to kill, I was surprised how easy it was to use this pistol that is supposed to be so hard to use. http://i.imgur.com/HqUbdSj.jpgMy very next battle and first FW was a tough one against a full squad of Anonymous. While I did die a lot, I killed more. Also realize the suit I am using during this test is about 12K isk, so dirt cheap, compared to the advanced and proto I was up against during most of this test. http://i.imgur.com/v3e98o2.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/8C3Ouyy.jpgAfter this match downtime kicked in but I came back for more when the server returned. After downtime I played two average games but I came into both of them late. the main thing of note from these two games was my longest kill at 50 meters. 50 meters with a sidearm. While it did take 2 clips to kill him I still killed him at crazy range for a sidearm. http://i.imgur.com/y233P4u.jpgMy next game was better, http://i.imgur.com/dGhDyE2.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/GMGV2Yi.jpgAnd my last battle was my best http://i.imgur.com/kBbmjHx.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/GSlgWxi.jpg. In this fight I was able to defend an objective from an entire squad with these hand cannons and I got another long ass kill at 43 meters. Here is my final standing after only a few games, solely using scrambler pistols. 136 kills, 43 deaths with a 3.16 k/d. http://i.imgur.com/cTitaNA.jpg With proper skills, gear and training I'm sure I could do much, much better. I was able to do this with a toon only a few hours old. Now you see why proto scouts with fully speced viziams, damage mods, dampeners and squad support are able to murder so easily. Its not really because they are so good. It is because these stupid scrambler pistols are WAY too powerful. CCP, please look into these sidearms, they are too strong.
Didnt read one word. Listen to me scr pistols are to damn hard to use to be op..
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Yoma Carrim
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Posted - 2013.12.09 12:29:00 -
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Woke up this morning
Found this thread still going
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Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.09 13:03:00 -
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I know right? Scramber Pistols are incredibly OP man, Also this one time a guy got me from behind with Nova Knives. Totally OP. A forge gun hit me once..ONCE! and I died so unfair. A Plasma Cannon shot landed on me and I died straight away, total bollocks, On top of that an LAV Hit me when it was at full speed and took me straight out and I died. One time I was Strafing in a fire fight and fell off a ledge and died from the fall, Gravity is also OP. I ran around a corner chasing someone and a Remote Explosive killed me.
I don't know if anyones told you yet but when you play an FPS, people shoot at you, I mean WTF man totally OP
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Yoma Carrim
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Posted - 2013.12.09 13:05:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:I know right? Scramber Pistols are incredibly OP man, Also this one time a guy got me from behind with Nova Knives. Totally OP. A forge gun hit me once..ONCE! and I died so unfair. A Plasma Cannon shot landed on me and I died straight away, total bollocks, On top of that an LAV Hit me when it was at full speed and took me straight out and I died. One time I was Strafing in a fire fight and fell off a ledge and died from the fall, Gravity is also OP. I ran around a corner chasing someone and a Remote Explosive killed me.
I don't know if anyones told you yet but when you play an FPS, people shoot at you, I mean WTF man totally OP
I am so tempted to like this for sarcasm value alone.
eh +1
When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck
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Posted - 2013.12.09 20:39:00 -
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I think your preconceived notions (creating a new toon because you think Scrambler Pistols are OP, and want to prove it) are coloring your perception negatively. To me, It sounds like you found a gun you are really good with. Maybe you should take your new-found skill and run with it, instead of complaining that it is OP. Be the beast that you were destined to be. |
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