DUST Search - Proof Scrambler Pistols are OP

Izlare Lenix wrote:

Lately I have noticed more and more people using the scrambler pistols on both scouts and medium frames. After being killed by them dozens of times I started doing some research on them and I found most of the players that use these sidearms, especially the scouts, claim its the hardest sidearm to use in the game and it takes "a lot of skill." They also claim you gotta get head shoots.

Needless to say I didn't believe them especially after looking at all the stats and realizing most of them do more damage than the scrambler rifle and the pistols don't overheat like the rifle does. So I decided to make a new toon and try out these death dealing sidearms for the first time. (I have never used scrambler pistols before today as I only have SMG skilled on my main.)

My suspicions were correct about scrambler pistols being way overpowered and very easy to use. And you most certainly do not need head shoots to kill quickly. Most of my kills were not head shoots and they still dropped the target in half a clip or less. I also dropped several heavies without having to reload just by switching to my second TT-3. I would also say headshoots with the TT-3 was just as easy as with my SMG.

The following pictures were taken from games I played within about a 3 hour time frame both before and after today's downtime. Also i'm sorry about the quality. It was hard to take photos of my TV screen that allowed you to read the horrible font CCP uses.

I made the toon "TT-3 is 0P" and immediately skilled him into the TT-3. I decided to use a medium frame since I suck at being a scout and with suck low skills I needed some HP to actually be able to test the pistols. Here is a picture of all the skills i used during this test. you will see this is a very low SP toon, about 475K sp. http://i.imgur.com/Zkyb63S.jpg

This is the fit I used. Gallente Militia Medium Frame, Dual TT-3, nanohive, Militia armor repper and 2 militia plates. http://i.imgur.com/i53YOYN.jpg

Lastely I ran completely solo. I had no help from teammates, no intel, no scanners, no logi reps and no backup. I only had my nanohive as the pistols did chew through ammo pretty fast.

After training everything I needed I entered my first battle, the academy. Even though the noobs in academy are stupid and easy to kill, I was surprised how easy it was to use this pistol that is supposed to be so hard to use. http://i.imgur.com/HqUbdSj.jpg

My very next battle and first FW was a tough one against a full squad of Anonymous. While I did die a lot, I killed more. Also realize the suit I am using during this test is about 12K isk, so dirt cheap, compared to the advanced and proto I was up against during most of this test. http://i.imgur.com/v3e98o2.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/8C3Ouyy.jpg

After this match downtime kicked in but I came back for more when the server returned.

After downtime I played two average games but I came into both of them late. the main thing of note from these two games was my longest kill at 50 meters. 50 meters with a sidearm. While it did take 2 clips to kill him I still killed him at crazy range for a sidearm. http://i.imgur.com/y233P4u.jpg

My next game was better, http://i.imgur.com/dGhDyE2.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/GMGV2Yi.jpg

And my last battle was my best http://i.imgur.com/kBbmjHx.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/GSlgWxi.jpg. In this fight I was able to defend an objective from an entire squad with these hand cannons and I got another long ass kill at 43 meters.

Here is my final standing after only a few games, solely using scrambler pistols. 136 kills, 43 deaths with a 3.16 k/d. http://i.imgur.com/cTitaNA.jpg With proper skills, gear and training I'm sure I could do much, much better.

I was able to do this with a toon only a few hours old. Now you see why proto scouts with fully speced viziams, damage mods, dampeners and squad support are able to murder so easily. Its not really because they are so good. It is because these stupid scrambler pistols are WAY too powerful.

CCP, please look into these sidearms, they are too strong.

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Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 19	Posted - 2013.12.08 14:34:00 - [1] - Quote Lately I have noticed more and more people using the scrambler pistols on both scouts and medium frames. After being killed by them dozens of times I started doing some research on them and I found most of the players that use these sidearms, especially the scouts, claim its the hardest sidearm to use in the game and it takes "a lot of skill." They also claim you gotta get head shoots. Needless to say I didn't believe them especially after looking at all the stats and realizing most of them do more damage than the scrambler rifle and the pistols don't overheat like the rifle does. So I decided to make a new toon and try out these death dealing sidearms for the first time. (I have never used scrambler pistols before today as I only have SMG skilled on my main.) My suspicions were correct about scrambler pistols being way overpowered and very easy to use. And you most certainly do not need head shoots to kill quickly. Most of my kills were not head shoots and they still dropped the target in half a clip or less. I also dropped several heavies without having to reload just by switching to my second TT-3. I would also say headshoots with the TT-3 was just as easy as with my SMG. The following pictures were taken from games I played within about a 3 hour time frame both before and after today's downtime. Also i'm sorry about the quality. It was hard to take photos of my TV screen that allowed you to read the horrible font CCP uses. I made the toon "TT-3 is 0P" and immediately skilled him into the TT-3. I decided to use a medium frame since I suck at being a scout and with suck low skills I needed some HP to actually be able to test the pistols. Here is a picture of all the skills i used during this test. you will see this is a very low SP toon, about 475K sp. http://i.imgur.com/Zkyb63S.jpg This is the fit I used. Gallente Militia Medium Frame, Dual TT-3, nanohive, Militia armor repper and 2 militia plates. http://i.imgur.com/i53YOYN.jpg Lastely I ran completely solo. I had no help from teammates, no intel, no scanners, no logi reps and no backup. I only had my nanohive as the pistols did chew through ammo pretty fast. After training everything I needed I entered my first battle, the academy. Even though the noobs in academy are stupid and easy to kill, I was surprised how easy it was to use this pistol that is supposed to be so hard to use. http://i.imgur.com/HqUbdSj.jpg My very next battle and first FW was a tough one against a full squad of Anonymous. While I did die a lot, I killed more. Also realize the suit I am using during this test is about 12K isk, so dirt cheap, compared to the advanced and proto I was up against during most of this test. http://i.imgur.com/v3e98o2.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/8C3Ouyy.jpg After this match downtime kicked in but I came back for more when the server returned. After downtime I played two average games but I came into both of them late. the main thing of note from these two games was my longest kill at 50 meters. 50 meters with a sidearm. While it did take 2 clips to kill him I still killed him at crazy range for a sidearm. http://i.imgur.com/y233P4u.jpg My next game was better, http://i.imgur.com/dGhDyE2.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/GMGV2Yi.jpg And my last battle was my best http://i.imgur.com/kBbmjHx.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/GSlgWxi.jpg. In this fight I was able to defend an objective from an entire squad with these hand cannons and I got another long ass kill at 43 meters. Here is my final standing after only a few games, solely using scrambler pistols. 136 kills, 43 deaths with a 3.16 k/d. http://i.imgur.com/cTitaNA.jpg With proper skills, gear and training I'm sure I could do much, much better. I was able to do this with a toon only a few hours old. Now you see why proto scouts with fully speced viziams, damage mods, dampeners and squad support are able to murder so easily. Its not really because they are so good. It is because these stupid scrambler pistols are WAY too powerful. CCP, please look into these sidearms, they are too strong.
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 293	Posted - 2013.12.08 14:39:00 - [2] - Quote this is why we can't have nice things
Pr0phetzReck0ning Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 98	Posted - 2013.12.08 14:51:00 - [3] - Quote You were also playing against Noobs seeing as when you first create a toon you enter the Battle academy... so I'd say a good portion of your kills came from killin Noobs. Not all that impressive or convincing
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 19	Posted - 2013.12.08 14:54:00 - [4] - Quote my first game was the academy. the other 7-8 I played were in FW as I stated. It was a mix of vets and new players. Also since I was alone I choose to test this around DT when the proto stompers are not in force. What good would it do me to play against two synced squads of proto vets? Can't test out these Over Powered pea shooters from the red line.
Aisha Ctarl Scions of Athra 2041	Posted - 2013.12.08 14:57:00 - [5] - Quote OP, please just take your PlayStation and throw it into a small pond. You're complaining about scrambler pistols, you don't deserve to play anything. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
DeadlyAztec11 2578	Posted - 2013.12.08 14:59:00 - [6] - Quote Get out of here and never comeback. Scrambler Pistols are the most balanced thing in this game. Don't. Touch. Them. Also if you think these are OP you will absolutely rage at the Bolt Pistol that will be even more ridiculous. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1212	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:01:00 - [7] - Quote No just freaking no! This is literally the gun that saves my ass on a regular bases if this nerf happens I'm putting a bounty on your head for 20 million isk. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 19	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:01:00 - [8] - Quote They are balanced? Are you crazy. I was using a toon with less than 500K SP and killing Advanced and Proto gear in 5-6 shoots while wearing a militia suit. These are supposed to be side arms not main weapons.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1212	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:03:00 - [9] - Quote SMG's aren't suppose to have laser accuracy when ADS but yet it does. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
DeadlyAztec11 2578	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:05:00 - [10] - Quote Stomping in the Academy does not an OP weapon make! Mollerz could probably get better scores with his Nova Knives in the Academy if he tried. Not OP. Just please don't. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 569	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:06:00 - [11] - Quote Is this guy serious? Quite a long post to be a troll. Wow, just wow. {:)}{3GÇó>
God Hates Lags Red Star. EoN. 529	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:08:00 - [12] - Quote Scrambler Pistols may be OP but I don't feel any action is needed on them until they get out of hand. And that being said, I haven't seen that many people using them. Also 3.16 isn't really that impressive, especially in the Academy, and especially considering that head shots have a time 5 bonus in the academy, so the scrambler is probably much more OP there than anywhere else. Doubles ISK
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 19	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:09:00 - [13] - Quote It is obvious none of you read what i typed. I played ONE game in the academy. To get used to a weapon I have never used. The rest were FW missions. Look at the damn killboards I posted and you will see you are all incapable of understanding what this post is about. I have never used this weapon before, but on a one day old toon I rack up tons of kills because it is a very powerful weapon. That is my point.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1189	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:09:00 - [14] - Quote What needs to be looked at is the ability of people to jump from one thing to another to complain about. The Scrambler Pistol is one of the few weapons that has not changed in a long time. I dare say that it is the same as it was since beta, but I cannot really push this idea forward without digging around for it. Back then, I didn't use the Scrambler Pistol as much as I do now. With that said, do you know why the Scambler Pistol isn't as used as the other weapons in the game? It's a pistol. When you max out operations, the basic variant will have eleven shots outside of a certain Minmitar suit. The Assault variants, combined with eleven shots, is one of the most frightening things to run into in CQC. I'd rather run into a common Plasma Rifle user in close quarters instead of a Scrambler Pistol user. Before bonuses are applied, the Carthum does 88 damage. You combine that 88 plus the single prof. if requires, you have a pistol with eleven shots doing 90.64. 90.64 x 11 is 997.04. 997.04 for the full clip of a Carthum with prof. 1. That's a lot. The drawback of the Scrambler Pistol is simply that it is not a spray and pray weapon. Every shot is needed to take down a suit before that red takes you down with a fully automatic weapon, if not a semi-automatic that is charge based. I always had the philosophy with the Assault variants: "If I don't kill you in six shots, I am already dead." You see, I'm prof. 4 in Scrambler Pistols and I like to put Complex Damage Modifiers on it. Run into me, I'll drop you unless you shoot me in the back. The range of the Scrambler Pistol is also a rather large drawback to using it. It's arguably the king of CQC, though it will always crumble at a certain range. I run around with two Assault Scrambler Pistols every now and then, and I'd say I'm rather familiar with the weapon. Don't be a tourist. Commit to the cause and run it constantly. You'll see. SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC EAGLE! DO YOU SING?!
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 572	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:13:00 - [15] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: It is obvious none of you read what i typed. I played ONE game in the academy. To get used to a weapon I have never used. The rest were FW missions. Look at the damn killboards I posted and you will see you are all incapable of understanding what this post is about. I have never used this weapon before, but on a one day old toon I rack up tons of kills because it is a very powerful weapon. That is my point. Your right, I didn't read all the way through, because you kept saying crazy **** like "scrambler pistols are OP". but I did read over half way through though, if that makes you feel any better. {:)}{3GÇó>
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1117	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:20:00 - [16] - Quote If you think everyone is going to rush out and skill into the Scrambler Piston you are sadly mistaken. Before you say how great the weapon is try and use it in a real battle. No I am talking about against a squad of Molon Labe, Sever True blood, team players, outer heaven just to name a few. I assure you will not do as well as you think. Well if I see you I hope you do use your pistol because my Duvolle or my SMG would love to say hello. F* the Snowflake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 19	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:42:00 - [17] - Quote So i guess all of you think a militia fit with an advanced weapon and 475K SP should kill everything that comes in front of it out to 50 meters? Because that is basically what I did with a weapon I have never used before. I killed advanced and some proto gear in almost every 1v1 I had. Most of my deaths were snipers, orbitals and me getting swarmed by a group of reds. The point of my post is if little old me could do all of that the first day I ever picked up a damn scramber pistol it is obvious how much more powerful it is for players that have it maxed out. There is zero counter to this weapon. I would wait for someone to come around a corner and , blap, blap, blap there were dead before they saw me. I can understand that with a main weapon but not a damn side arm. And yes you can do this with a shotgun but a shotgun doesn't kill people out to 50 meters.
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 63	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:44:00 - [18] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: It is obvious none of you read what i typed. I played ONE game in the academy. To get used to a weapon I have never used. The rest were FW missions. Look at the damn killboards I posted and you will see you are all incapable of understanding what this post is about. I have never used this weapon before, but on a one day old toon I rack up tons of kills because it is a very powerful weapon. That is my point. You did not get used to the weapon in one game. The AScP is a semi automatic pistol similar in fire rate to other basic pistols in other shooters. You have already grown used to how the weapon should perform by playing other shooters. It will tare through basic and advanced medium frames yes but you need a fair number of head shots or two full clips to take down a core lvl5 skill heavy with 1200 EHP or a proto medium frame with around 1000 EHP Please note that the ScP and AScP are limited by the amount of ammo they have available to them. With a full clip needed to take out most frames in pubs and having little more than four clips at your disposal the ScP is not a good choice as a primary weapon. The weapon is powerful in close to medium range but anything beyond 50m you might as well be throwing pebbles. The ScP is a close encounter sidearm meant to dish out large amounts of damage to finish off...... ya know what screw it I'm just wasting words. The ScP is powerful but not OP. To be OP a weapon must have an edge over every other weapon at all ranges at all times. The ScP has good damage but limited ammunition and range. It is effective but no replacement for a good primary. It is not OP That time when you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 90	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:44:00 - [19] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Lately I have noticed more and more people using the scrambler pistols on both scouts and medium frames. After being killed by them dozens of times I started doing some research on them and I found most of the players that use these sidearms, especially the scouts, claim its the hardest sidearm to use in the game and it takes "a lot of skill." They also claim you gotta get head shoots. Needless to say I didn't believe them especially after looking at all the stats and realizing most of them do more damage than the scrambler rifle and the pistols don't overheat like the rifle does. So I decided to make a new toon and try out these death dealing sidearms for the first time. (I have never used scrambler pistols before today as I only have SMG skilled on my main.) My suspicions were correct about scrambler pistols being way overpowered and very easy to use. And you most certainly do not need head shoots to kill quickly. Most of my kills were not head shoots and they still dropped the target in half a clip or less. I also dropped several heavies without having to reload just by switching to my second TT-3. I would also say headshoots with the TT-3 was just as easy as with my SMG. The following pictures were taken from games I played within about a 3 hour time frame both before and after today's downtime. Also i'm sorry about the quality. It was hard to take photos of my TV screen that allowed you to read the horrible font CCP uses. I made the toon "TT-3 is 0P" and immediately skilled him into the TT-3. I decided to use a medium frame since I suck at being a scout and with suck low skills I needed some HP to actually be able to test the pistols. Here is a picture of all the skills i used during this test. you will see this is a very low SP toon, about 475K sp. http://i.imgur.com/Zkyb63S.jpg This is the fit I used. Gallente Militia Medium Frame, Dual TT-3, nanohive, Militia armor repper and 2 militia plates. http://i.imgur.com/i53YOYN.jpg Lastely I ran completely solo. I had no help from teammates, no intel, no scanners, no logi reps and no backup. I only had my nanohive as the pistols did chew through ammo pretty fast. After training everything I needed I entered my first battle, the academy. Even though the noobs in academy are stupid and easy to kill, I was surprised how easy it was to use this pistol that is supposed to be so hard to use. http://i.imgur.com/HqUbdSj.jpg My very next battle and first FW was a tough one against a full squad of Anonymous. While I did die a lot, I killed more. Also realize the suit I am using during this test is about 12K isk, so dirt cheap, compared to the advanced and proto I was up against during most of this test. http://i.imgur.com/v3e98o2.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/8C3Ouyy.jpg After this match downtime kicked in but I came back for more when the server returned. After downtime I played two average games but I came into both of them late. the main thing of note from these two games was my longest kill at 50 meters. 50 meters with a sidearm. While it did take 2 clips to kill him I still killed him at crazy range for a sidearm. http://i.imgur.com/y233P4u.jpg My next game was better, http://i.imgur.com/dGhDyE2.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/GMGV2Yi.jpg And my last battle was my best http://i.imgur.com/kBbmjHx.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/GSlgWxi.jpg. In this fight I was able to defend an objective from an entire squad with these hand cannons and I got another long ass kill at 43 meters. Here is my final standing after only a few games, solely using scrambler pistols. 136 kills, 43 deaths with a 3.16 k/d. http://i.imgur.com/cTitaNA.jpg With proper skills, gear and training I'm sure I could do much, much better. I was able to do this with a toon only a few hours old. Now you see why proto scouts with fully speced viziams, damage mods, dampeners and squad support are able to murder so easily. Its not really because they are so good. It is because these stupid scrambler pistols are WAY too powerful. CCP, please look into these sidearms, they are too strong. All that for a scrambler pistol?? Cmon dood. Also, Red Star is your number one manufacture of scrambler pistols! You want? WE GIVE YOU GOOOD DEAL! YOU WANT TO BUY IN BULK? WE GOT YOU COVERED! The best part of waking up, is whiskey in my cuuuuup!
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2498	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:44:00 - [20] - Quote The Plasma Cann8n would be OP if you tested it in the academy genius. No.

Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1861	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:44:00 - [21] - Quote Immediately before or after downtime is a terrible time to be testing anything for effectiveness. Get in there at peak times if you want to see what stuff is like in normal matches against squads and organised players. This tiny piece of anecdotal evidence is irrelevant and meaningless. Scrambler pistols are awesome weapons and I've been using them as my primary for well over a year now. However, they have serious drawbacks - you already noted the very limiting ammo capacity, which I regularly run out of; then there is also the range - while, yes you can still do something like 20-30 damage at around 50m, that is pretty much the limit and you'll note that that's not even the optimal range for a plasma rifle (let alone any other rifle). I run the TY-5 breach with prof 5 and 2 complex damage mods, dealing perhaps 200hp damage per shot (+/-10% for shields/armor). That still requires 4 - 5 body shots to take out any well fit medium and 6+ for heavies; how many other weapons take a 6th of their entire ammo pool to kill a single suit? And that's within around 35m for optimum range! And max damage skills! If you were using the TT3 with level 3 operation, that's what, 9 rounds in the clip? At 84 damage a shot, that's 560ish damage per clip. Any half decent medium or heavy suit is going to take at least a clip of that to take down and if you're managing to do that with a reload inbetween and still not getting killed first, that enemy was clearly absolutely terrible. Either that or you're getting headshots but even then, you have to be around 35m or less for them to have a real impact. That's half the effective range of most plasma rifles! Now, tell me how that isn't balanced. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 19	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:47:00 - [22] - Quote Chunky its obvious you are not a genius as I did one academy battle and then seven more games outside of academy. I have stated that several times.
TuFar Gon Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 52	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:50:00 - [23] - Quote WHAT!! NOOOoooooooo,,,,SHhhhhhhh
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 575	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:50:00 - [24] - Quote I don't believe this fifty meter number at all. That is more than half a football field. I think that you are just a terrible judge of distance. Try 30 or 35 for an effective use range maybe even less. {:)}{3GÇó>
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 423	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:51:00 - [25] - Quote Lol noob getting slaughtered by minmatar assault with scrambler pistol, i can't believe they let people with low likes to make OP threads already. *Assassination is my thing.*
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 19	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:52:00 - [26] - Quote I posted the damn screen cap that shows i killed someone at 49.8 meters. look at the picture. it took two clips but i could NEVER have done that with an SMG
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1862	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:52:00 - [27] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: There is zero counter to this weapon Hahahahaha "ZERO COUNTER"!?!?!?!? How about any weapon that can shoot more than 50m? How about a weapon that does more damage without even getting direct hits (mass driver)? How about the insane 500+ dps of rifles? That's almost as much per second as your TT3 does in an entire 9 round clip. Why don't you try running around with a scrambler pistol in a PC match and tell us how well you did then? Because I do and it's damned tough and I have it maxed out. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 116	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:52:00 - [28] - Quote Honestly, the scrambler pistol is one of the best balanced weapons in the game. ANY weapon is overpowered as hell in the right hands. Especially once you get practice in. Just because its a sidearm doesnt mean it can kill you any less efficiently. I main a single pistol, generally the tt-3 yes and will continue to do so long after this coming patch. I highly doubt they will get a nerf any time soon. Pistols are high damage low rate of rife crit weapons that have very little range. But they fill a niche aside from keeping snipers alive. Their good for keeping shotguns off of me and killing any black suit I come across. Except black and yellow gallente suits...those things have a lot of armor. Quit bitching about nice things. Especially ones that are actually fair. Dedicated scout. Player bodyguard Pistol supremacy.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 423	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:53:00 - [29] - Quote Lol just another noob getting slaughtered by minmatar assault with scrambler pistol, i can't believe they let people with low likes make OP threads this early. *Assassination is my thing.*
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 116	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:53:00 - [30] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I don't believe this fifty meter number at all. That is more than half a football field. I think that you are just a terrible judge of distance. Try 30 or 35 for an effective use range maybe even less. Try more like 20 meters. The irons are good but if you engage outside of your range with the pistol your likely to lose if they know what their doing. Dedicated scout. Player bodyguard Pistol supremacy.



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