DUST Search - Proof Scrambler Pistols are OP

Django Quik wrote:

Immediately before or after downtime is a terrible time to be testing anything for effectiveness. Get in there at peak times if you want to see what stuff is like in normal matches against squads and organised players. This tiny piece of anecdotal evidence is irrelevant and meaningless.

Scrambler pistols are awesome weapons and I've been using them as my primary for well over a year now. However, they have serious drawbacks - you already noted the very limiting ammo capacity, which I regularly run out of; then there is also the range - while, yes you can still do something like 20-30 damage at around 50m, that is pretty much the limit and you'll note that that's not even the optimal range for a plasma rifle (let alone any other rifle).

I run the TY-5 breach with prof 5 and 2 complex damage mods, dealing perhaps 200hp damage per shot (+/-10% for shields/armor). That still requires 4 - 5 body shots to take out any well fit medium and 6+ for heavies; how many other weapons take a 6th of their entire ammo pool to kill a single suit? And that's within around 35m for optimum range! And max damage skills!

If you were using the TT3 with level 3 operation, that's what, 9 rounds in the clip? At 84 damage a shot, that's 560ish damage per clip. Any half decent medium or heavy suit is going to take at least a clip of that to take down and if you're managing to do that with a reload inbetween and still not getting killed first, that enemy was clearly absolutely terrible. Either that or you're getting headshots but even then, you have to be around 35m or less for them to have a real impact. That's half the effective range of most plasma rifles!

Now, tell me how that isn't balanced.

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Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1450	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:36:00 - [61] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: They are balanced? Are you crazy. I was using a toon with less than 500K SP and killing Advanced and Proto gear in 5-6 shoots while wearing a militia suit. These are supposed to be side arms not main weapons. You could be doing the exact same with an assault rifle, scrambler rifle or smg. Basically all the weapons that got a massive (unintentional) buff from the hit detection fix in 1.6 "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2064	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:42:00 - [62] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Don't throw the PS3 out the window! We can still play Destiny when it comes out! (actually more excited for destiny than the scout buff....) I just called someone a noob and tourist. This game is officially getting to me. He still is a noob and tourist. Dont sad moody, dont sad, Tech De Ra has been on tip of this for a long time :D, The pistols as they stand are OP, but not as much as the op seems to think I have discussed the pistol with wolfman and remnant extensively regarding a change that is a small nerf that wouldnt make the gun useless Yeah and if its exactly what you and i have talked about that small factor really isn't much of a factor in actual game play on a moving target. That would merely be a fix for something that someone who isn't skilled cannot do anyway. So if that was what got fixed then whatever. Removing the stopping power these things have from within 30m would make them useless. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
CrotchGrab 360 Commando Perkone Caldari State 489	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:44:00 - [63] - Quote Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: You were also playing against Noobs seeing as when you first create a toon you enter the Battle academy... so I'd say a good portion of your kills came from killin Noobs. Not all that impressive or convincing your post and the people who liked it are the reason why these issues will never get the attention they deserve. you can lead a horse to water, but can you make it drink? You've Been Hit By You've Been Struck By A Smooth Criminal
CrotchGrab 360 Commando Perkone Caldari State 489	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:45:00 - [64] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: They are balanced? Are you crazy. I was using a toon with less than 500K SP and killing Advanced and Proto gear in 5-6 shoots while wearing a militia suit. These are supposed to be side arms not main weapons. Don't listen to them, this game is a sinking ship. You've Been Hit By You've Been Struck By A Smooth Criminal
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 211	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:46:00 - [65] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Don't throw the PS3 out the window! We can still play Destiny when it comes out! (actually more excited for destiny than the scout buff....) I just called someone a noob and tourist. This game is officially getting to me. He still is a noob and tourist. Dont sad moody, dont sad, Tech De Ra has been on tip of this for a long time :D, The pistols as they stand are OP, but not as much as the op seems to think I have discussed the pistol with wolfman and remnant extensively regarding a change that is a small nerf that wouldnt make the gun useless Yeah and if its exactly what you and i have talked about that small factor really isn't much of a factor in actual game play on a moving target. That would merely be a fix for something someone who isn't skilled cannot do anyway. So if that was what got fixed then whatever. Removing the stopping power these things have from within 30m would make them useless. Its pretty much exactly what we discussed, there is a small bit regarding short range, its barely noticable Tech De Ra // Electronic Sports League Games Co-ordinator
CrotchGrab 360 Commando Perkone Caldari State 489	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:47:00 - [66] - Quote calvin b wrote: If you think everyone is going to rush out and skill into the Scrambler Piston you are sadly mistaken. Before you say how great the weapon is try and use it in a real battle. No I am talking about against a squad of Molon Labe, Sever True blood, team players, outer heaven just to name a few. I assure you will not do as well as you think. Well if I see you I hope you do use your pistol because my Duvolle or my SMG would love to say hello. he went up against a full squad of anon in a sub-500K suit and still pulled close to 30 kills. if that doesn't make the scrambler pistol an extremely easy to use weapon then I don't know what does!! You've Been Hit By You've Been Struck By A Smooth Criminal
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2066	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:51:00 - [67] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: calvin b wrote: If you think everyone is going to rush out and skill into the Scrambler Piston you are sadly mistaken. Before you say how great the weapon is try and use it in a real battle. No I am talking about against a squad of Molon Labe, Sever True blood, team players, outer heaven just to name a few. I assure you will not do as well as you think. Well if I see you I hope you do use your pistol because my Duvolle or my SMG would love to say hello. he went up against a full squad of anon in a sub-500K suit and still pulled close to 30 kills. if that doesn't make the scrambler pistol an extremely easy to use weapon then I don't know what does!! Also his longest kill was within the optimal kill zone of a side arm. Sidearms > Light Weapons in cqc. He never killed a guy over 20+m. WHAT? A SIDE ARM IS BETTER AT CQC THAN AN AR? NERF IT BEFORE IT BREEDS Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 64	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:54:00 - [68] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Don't throw the PS3 out the window! We can still play Destiny when it comes out! (actually more excited for destiny than the scout buff....) I just called someone a noob and tourist. This game is officially getting to me. He still is a noob and tourist. Dont sad moody, dont sad, Tech De Ra has been on tip of this for a long time :D, The pistols as they stand are OP, but not as much as the op seems to think I have discussed the pistol with wolfman and remnant extensively regarding a change that is a small nerf that wouldnt make the gun useless Yeah and if its exactly what you and i have talked about that small factor really isn't much of a factor in actual game play on a moving target. That would merely be a fix for something someone who isn't skilled cannot do anyway. So if that was what got fixed then whatever. Removing the stopping power these things have from within 30m would make them useless. Its pretty much exactly what we discussed, there is a small bit regarding short range, its barely noticable Why do I get the feeling your talking about the headshot multiplier That time when you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1245	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:57:00 - [69] - Quote Assault Rifle == OP Scrambler Rifle == OP Scrambler Pistol != OP OP kindly remove your head from your ass and take a fire axe to your PS3. /thread Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1066	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:02:00 - [70] - Quote LOL hes happy he got some pity kills against new players SMH My PS3 is dusty ._. Level 1 Forum Warrior

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2919	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:07:00 - [71] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: They are balanced? Are you crazy. I was using a toon with less than 500K SP and killing Advanced and Proto gear in 5-6 shoots while wearing a militia suit. These are supposed to be side arms not main weapons. Not this again. Anyway The scrambler pistol is one of the most powerful weapons in the game, this is true, but it takes considerable skill to wield, at least it used to before AA was turned back on and personally I don't know if it effects it, so it's a fair trade off. Want to fix most weapons in dust: Get rid off AA. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2067	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:08:00 - [72] - Quote Also. I just want to point out, DUAL SCRAMBLER PISTOLS? Jesus christ. If you're trying to lobby for something to get nerfed don't run the weapon back to back with each other. You're essentally doubling the clip size skewing any sort of fake data you're trying to collect. Jesus. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 125	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:12:00 - [73] - Quote People don't seem to realize that sidearms should be just as efficient at killing as every other weapon out there. Most naval officers carry what on a ship? A sidearm when on duty. When they go to alert they might have a rifle but trust me to say a pistol is most sufficient to kill things if necessary. Ill be hunting people with a viziam today. Feel like wasting a bit of money in exchange for some fun. "Sinboto Simmons" wrote: Aim assist doesn't effect my pistols it seems. As I never turned it on. You've played me once before right? How'd I do if you remember. Dedicated scout. Player bodyguard Scrambler Pistol User
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1742	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:12:00 - [74] - Quote I thought the Imperfects were good at trolling... Nah. This still doesn't beat the Imps. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2923	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:17:00 - [75] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: People don't seem to realize that sidearms should be just as efficient at killing as every other weapon out there. Most naval officers carry what on a ship? A sidearm when on duty. When they go to alert they might have a rifle but trust me to say a pistol is most sufficient to kill things if necessary. Ill be hunting people with a viziam today. Feel like wasting a bit of money in exchange for some fun. "Sinboto Simmons" wrote: Aim assist doesn't effect my pistols it seems. As I never turned it on. You've played me once before right? How'd I do if you remember. I don't remember. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 247	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:25:00 - [76] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: It is obvious none of you read what i typed. I played ONE game in the academy. To get used to a weapon I have never used. The rest were FW missions. Look at the damn killboards I posted and you will see you are all incapable of understanding what this post is about. I have never used this weapon before, but on a one day old toon I rack up tons of kills because it is a very powerful weapon. That is my point. Maybe we just don't believe you Btw on your main you probably use duvoll Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Fear is a choice, I choose not to let it control me.
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 3735	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:26:00 - [77] - Quote Your personal accounts are so convincing. I once killed three people with one plasma cannon shot, OP OP OP! Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Scions, a website is available
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 505	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:04:00 - [78] - Quote Right...so you test a weapon in the noob arena and then claim it's OP
AfroSunshineY Consequence R 0 N 1 N 217	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:06:00 - [79] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Immediately before or after downtime is a terrible time to be testing anything for effectiveness. Get in there at peak times if you want to see what stuff is like in normal matches against squads and organised players. This tiny piece of anecdotal evidence is irrelevant and meaningless. Scrambler pistols are awesome weapons and I've been using them as my primary for well over a year now. However, they have serious drawbacks - you already noted the very limiting ammo capacity, which I regularly run out of; then there is also the range - while, yes you can still do something like 20-30 damage at around 50m, that is pretty much the limit and you'll note that that's not even the optimal range for a plasma rifle (let alone any other rifle). I run the TY-5 breach with prof 5 and 2 complex damage mods, dealing perhaps 200hp damage per shot (+/-10% for shields/armor). That still requires 4 - 5 body shots to take out any well fit medium and 6+ for heavies; how many other weapons take a 6th of their entire ammo pool to kill a single suit? And that's within around 35m for optimum range! And max damage skills! If you were using the TT3 with level 3 operation, that's what, 9 rounds in the clip? At 84 damage a shot, that's 560ish damage per clip. Any half decent medium or heavy suit is going to take at least a clip of that to take down and if you're managing to do that with a reload inbetween and still not getting killed first, that enemy was clearly absolutely terrible. Either that or you're getting headshots but even then, you have to be around 35m or less for them to have a real impact. That's half the effective range of most plasma rifles! Now, tell me how that isn't balanced. This. Honestly, it's a sidearm and a balanced one at that. Just because OP is an AR rager doesn't mean the rest of us who actually like having fun should have to suffer
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 301	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:07:00 - [80] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I posted the damn screen cap that shows i killed someone at 49.8 meters. look at the picture. it took two clips but i could NEVER have done that with an SMG I've killed people at 117.5 using my Calas. I've sniped ar snipers at 95m using ScrP. The idea is landing ALL HEADSHOTS. Plus, an AR can kill 3-4 full fit adv frames in one clip. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I haz knife. Me get steak?

TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 753	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:18:00 - [81] - Quote 1.) this appears to be another argument of "that gun is stronger than my assault rifle!" nerf it! QQ. judging by the replies in this post, most people think you are flat out wrong. 2.) just stop with the "its a sidearm!" argument. i can GUARANTEE you that an Ishukone Assault SMG will tear your cheap ass starter fit up faster than you can blink. but we have yet to see many threads about the SMG being OP. 3.) stop hating on scouts. when is it enough? every time we find something that we can actually use to be useful on the battlefield, some crybaby (who normally uses a medium frame i might add) comes along and gets it nerfed. if i ever see you in battle, i promise that you will witness my Viziam Scrambler Pistol firsthand. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Oswald Rehnquist 809	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:21:00 - [82] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Don't throw the PS3 out the window! We can still play Destiny when it comes out! (actually more excited for destiny than the scout buff....) I just called someone a noob and tourist. This game is officially getting to me. He still is a noob and tourist. Dont sad moody, dont sad, Tech De Ra has been on tip of this for a long time :D, The pistols as they stand are OP, but not as much as the op seems to think I have discussed the pistol with wolfman and remnant extensively regarding a change that is a small nerf that wouldnt make the gun useless Well its a good thing the most glaring issues with the game are being tackled, do you know if this balance will take place before or after 3/14/14? Below 28 dB
Joel II X Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 293	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:26:00 - [83] - Quote My main sidearm was the Pistol. Loved it for its RoF. And the breach is an extremely good finisher, especially with sidearm mods. I'm missing out on the TT-3, however, because I'm not sure whether we'll have a respec or not for the Ion Pistol.
TunRa RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 246	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:27:00 - [84] - Quote If headshots and bodyshots did the same amount of damage THEN it would be OP. However as it currently is you will be more likely to be killed by a GEK-38 then a headshot by a SP. Thanks CCP Foxfour
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 301	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:29:00 - [85] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Your personal accounts are so convincing. I once killed three people with one plasma cannon shot, OP OP OP! I got 5 biatch. Also i killed a sica. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I haz knife. Me get steak?
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 70	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:31:00 - [86] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Your personal accounts are so convincing. I once killed three people with one plasma cannon shot, OP OP OP! I got 5 biatch. Also i killed a sica. I got a madruga kill Of course that was after a Ishikone AFG had its way with him When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1870	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:36:00 - [87] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: People don't seem to realize that sidearms should be just as efficient at killing as every other weapon out there. Most naval officers carry what on a ship? A sidearm when on duty. When they go to alert they might have a rifle but trust me to say a pistol is most sufficient to kill things if necessary. Ill be hunting people with a viziam today. Feel like wasting a bit of money in exchange for some fun. "Sinboto Simmons" wrote: Aim assist doesn't effect my pistols it seems. As I never turned it on. You've played me once before right? How'd I do if you remember. AA does affect pistols but it's actually really annoying because you'll be trying to snag a headshot and it'll get pulled onto the body instead! The AA is useful for those longer 40m+ shots though. With that in mind, I think the first sensible change that should be made to everything in the game is that as soon as you are outside your optimal range, AA has zero effect. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
RED FARM Punishers of Uranus 20	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:41:00 - [88] - Quote props for the screenshots.
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 112	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:45:00 - [89] - Quote the "sidearm" excuse is just plain noobish and bad, a sidearm is meant for killing things, you can blame the scrambler pistol doing its job efficiently, its not the AR which just makes the game stale, and you need skill, also dont mess with us scouts, we are already pissed, dont try to nerf a weapon thats mainly used by scouts, i guarantee you will be pistoled to death bi every scout on the game dude, so just drop the argument and build armor, just a friendly advice Me and my inner demons stopped fighting......We are on the same side now...
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1299	Posted - 2013.12.08 20:01:00 - [90] - Quote The list of things I have seen is now complete. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.



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