What is it now? Vets with PC-experience in or out?

In other words: Vet-Corps that are blue to them are in, even if with 2 PFC districts... all others are out. That looks very consistent to me.

Praise, all you sinners, the Angels of PFC come to the rescue of the community.

In laymen terms, we are not policing PFC. The community should "police" it. If we decide to attack a corp that we feel shouldn't belong there or a corp that is fair game, then we will. If we choose not to attack a corp, then we won't.....it isn't our responsibility.

If we chose to accept the responsibility of of policing PFC, officially, then we would have to attack blue corps or get them to remove themselves from PFC. Do you understand this or no?

I didn't write the original post. What I wrote in that paragraph is my own personal idea of what PFC should be. There's no inconsistency with my posts.

But it's really not hard to put two and two together. The big problem is the lack of risk that the current PFC rules allow. A vet corp that got kicked out of PC and is trying to rebuild should enter PC through PFC if they can't enter by beating one of the corps outside of PFC. But their district is still at risk.

no vet corp belongs there, not even us. You aren't the only corp that we attacked on PFC and probably won't be the last.

In laymen terms, we are not policing PFC. The community should "police" it.

So, you are policing it... you are after all part of the community. Ok, generaly when someone is doing something that they don't want to be accused of doing, they repeatedly state that they are in fact.. not doing it. Marks of a guilty mind must deny, deny, deny. Or you could say RND wanted to change PFC and this is their way of doing it, after all it is so much easier to do something wrong rather than ask and be told no (dang it mommy I wanted my COOKIE NOW!).

Granted RND does have a very good point regarding PFC and its current rules. You aren't going to give it your best if you know in the end you will not lose your district. Having said that, PFC won't work that way either.

Realisticly the only way PFC would work is if every battle fought was in standard gear, this gives a semi even playing field with only skill points, gun game, and tactical skills to off set the balance. You would then need another planet for them to use advanced gear and yet another with proto, all following the same concept that you may or may not lose your district depending on how well you defend it. I shouldn't have to say it but I will, you can only hold districts (1-2 districts max) on one planet... so either you're on STD PFC, ADV PFC, or PROTO PFC. The tier system is the only way that a new corp can learn and earn his way into MH proper. This also would work for the vet corps that lost all their districts by giving them a place to retrain, help train some newbies, then get back out there to try and conqure MH again.

However, thats a lot of real estate that would have to be given up for the community. Plus, you would need a police force (which should be tribunal of veteran alliances) to police the PFC planets to insure that when a corp is clearly ready to move on, they move on.

Just an idea which will now be troll in ....

Sounds like RND wants to run PFC?

Nah, we dont....just dont believe that districts should be safe. They should all be at risk. We're not on a burn pfc to the ground mission.

PC Coordinator for RISE of LEGION

The reading comprehension of several of the recent posters is really pathetic. How many times has Dubbs said in this thread that we want the community, specifically PFC, to police itself? But sometimes there will be corps you can't take the district from even if you wanted to, because they're experienced, better and don't belong there.

Which one of you new corps is going to take both of Nyain San's districts? Any takers? Thought so. That's the sort of thing we're willing to do. Throughout the thread Dubbs has explained we like and respect what PFC is and does for some of the new corps. We're still a fan of the concept, but particulars (for example veteran corporations owning districts on PFC, especially when they have more outside of it) need to be addressed.

The reading comprehension of several of the recent posters is really pathetic. How many times has Dubbs said in this thread that we want the community, specifically PFC, to police itself? But sometimes there will be corps you can't take the district from even if you wanted to, because they're experienced, better and don't belong there.

Which one of you new corps is going to take both of Nyain San's districts? Any takers? Thought so. That's the sort of thing we're willing to do. Throughout the thread Dubbs has explained we like and respect what PFC is and does for some of the new corps. We're still a fan of the concept, but particulars (for example veteran corporations owning districts on PFC, especially when they have more outside of it) need to be addressed.

We want MH to become more interesting overall, so taking out districts of corporations that are new and interested in PC (through PFC) holds no value for us. We did it one time recently for other reasons, but since then we've given that district up, and are currently in the process of finding UPS's district a home with another corporation, not a veteran corp in an alliance that has 20 districts outside of PFC.

And since we're on the topic, how about we start throwing a little trash talk back at ROFL? You've done your fair share of trying to paint us as the bad guys because we took one district from a corp that has no place being on a newb-friendly planet, but how about we talk about the 20 districts in MH that you've been locking for over a month? RoFL makes 10% of all of MH inaccessible to anyone else by locking their own districts with fake battles. You're the cancer of MH and to see any sort of moral high ground from anyone in an alliance that condones that selfish behavior is absolutely laughable.

I've got to give you props though, Leither, you do have the funniest signature I've seen on the forums so far.

It's particularly his view that corps should attack to take districts on PFC that I take issue with. I certainly can understand needing help from outside PFC to remove someone like Nyain San. But then begs the question that shouldn't other residents of PFC be the ones to ask for help? I admit I don't troll the war room daily anymore, but it always seems to me that when a larger corp has gotten involved in some sort of police action on PFC, it's not particularly been requested by others on PFC. Forgive me if I'm wrong there.

Honestly, the number one thing that's beneficial in PFC is communication. When we know someone's just attacking for practice, and can rotate some of our greener players in. (As opposed to someone who doesn't support or even know about PFC, with which we need to run our A team.) Multiple times have community actions on PFC to remove people abusing it or breaking rules been mistaken as either a corp getting greedy, or scrapping PFC.

Honestly, the experiment I'd recommend: Make a thread, and have everyone who places an attack on PFC state the attack, whether they intend to claim the district or if it's just practice, and if it's a claim attempt, what reason they have for doing so. It's not really policeable due to the fact that we can see who's attacking who, but for those willing to do so, it'd be both a great opportunity to communicate, as well as evidence of activity and willingness to collaborate on this wonderful practice experiment.

I always find it funny when you have a thread of people all in major corps which own 10+ districts outside PFC gather up and all agree that PFC doesn't benefit anyone.

I've been with PFC in one way or another for a very long time, since it's inception. I've seen all the different policing styles employed so far, and my favorite, by far, was proposed by Mike Ruan of Pradox One: The community communicates with each other and polices themselves. For instance, someone took W-J-R's PFC district. FORIM attacked it, retook it, and granted it back to W-J-R.

The reality is, a small number of players currently control the vast majority of the territory available, and due to terrible game mechanics, there's not a ton people can do about it. PFC is an opportunity for a lot of people to play without a drastically unmanageable financial investment. Many of you are in corps where you can't fathom the idea that two or three clone packs is a major financial investment that may take months to gather.

So these corps will take months to get their money to get in, probably lose a few along the way, but maybe get lucky, and finally take one. And two days later, Nyain San rolls around with their Asian-region server and lags them out through two matches in about 40 minutes.

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It's particularly his view that corps should attack to take districts on PFC that I take issue with. I certainly can understand needing help from outside PFC to remove someone like Nyain San. But then begs the question that shouldn't other residents of PFC be the ones to ask for help? I admit I don't troll the war room daily anymore, but it always seems to me that when a larger corp has gotten involved in some sort of police action on PFC, it's not particularly been requested by others on PFC. Forgive me if I'm wrong there.

Honestly, the number one thing that's beneficial in PFC is communication. When we know someone's just attacking for practice, and can rotate some of our greener players in. (As opposed to someone who doesn't support or even know about PFC, with which we need to run our A team.) Multiple times have community actions on PFC to remove people abusing it or breaking rules been mistaken as either a corp getting greedy, or scrapping PFC.

Honestly, the experiment I'd recommend: Make a thread, and have everyone who places an attack on PFC state the attack, whether they intend to claim the district or if it's just practice, and if it's a claim attempt, what reason they have for doing so. It's not really policeable due to the fact that we can see who's attacking who, but for those willing to do so, it'd be both a great opportunity to communicate, as well as evidence of activity and willingness to collaborate on this wonderful practice experiment.

Attacks are rare - right now 15 of 24 districts are at full clones. When people do attack, nothing is at stake, so people aren't willing to lose 15 proto suits throwing themselves at a well defended objective like they do in PC proper. Afterwards everything goes back to how it was.

I like YDubbs' idea. PFC has real fights with real consequences, like the rest of MH does, just between corps that don't own land elsewhere (either new corps or vet corps that are getting back on their feet). PFC corps would have to defend their land against each other and against corps who don't hold any land. With that system there's no need for any communication about the intent of an attack. This is planetary conquest, the intent is conquest.
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This is totally unmanageable. I promise you, plenty of attacks (probably a majority) would get placed with no statement on the forums, and the thread would immediately go to 10+ pages of 'why you attack me?' QQ, so no one could find anything relevant to their own corp.

I take it you've seen Fight Club? Those guys are really going hard; they don't look the same afterwards. That's not what PFC is like at the moment. Attacks are rare - right now 15 of 24 districts are at full clones. When people do attack, nothing is at stake, so people aren't willing to lose 15 proto suits throwing themselves at a well defended objective like they do in PC proper. Afterwards everything goes back to how it was.

I like YDubbs' idea. PFC has real fights with real consequences, like the rest of MH does, just between corps that don't own land elsewhere (either new corps or vet corps that are getting back on their feet). PFC corps would have to defend their land against each other and against corps who don't hold any land. With that system there's no need for any communication about the intent of an attack. This is planetary conquest, the intent is conquest.

AE, RND, etc would only get involved if PFC land was taken by a corp with land outside PFC, or if a PFC corp took more than the maximum number of districts (probably 2). The vast majority of district transfers would be handled by the PFC corps themselves and the other smaller corps that want to be there, through the crucible of war. Isn't that how it should be?