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Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.12.07 18:24:00 -
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xAckie wrote:General John Ripper wrote:Pradox is still fielding our px16 members as training for them. If I or other pradox one members are in the battle, we are there to squad lead and teach new guys our tactics. If our pfc is not getting attacked, we are sure to send out our own attacks as we want to have as many training battles as we can handle.
our next pfc fight is today vs the burgerz people. Going to raid their pfc and steal their sandwhiches and fries. why does an established corp have a PFC district. Whats wrong with using one of your 23 districts to practice with?
That's sort of my position on the subject. At first I was thinking maybe Academy or Training sections of larger, more successful corps would be okay for training purposes, but the problem is the main corporations guilty of the farming mentioned above will just make an Academy version and do the exact same thing as before.
Training your guys is commendable but why do you need to be on PFC to do it? You can launch from one of your main districts and just bring in the players you want to train.
That being said, the call isn't mine to make.
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Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.12.09 21:40:00 -
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The reading comprehension of several of the recent posters is really pathetic. How many times has Dubbs said in this thread that we want the community, specifically PFC, to police itself? But sometimes there will be corps you can't take the district from even if you wanted to, because they're experienced, better and don't belong there.
Which one of you new corps is going to take both of Nyain San's districts? Any takers? Thought so. That's the sort of thing we're willing to do. Throughout the thread Dubbs has explained we like and respect what PFC is and does for some of the new corps. We're still a fan of the concept, but particulars (for example veteran corporations owning districts when on PFC, especially when they have more outside of it) need to be addressed.
We want MH to become more interesting overall, so taking out districts of corporations that are new and interested in PC (through PFC) holds no value for us. We did it one time recently for other reasons, but since then we've given that district up, and are currently in the process of finding UPS's district a home with another corporation, not a veteran corp in an alliance that has 20 districts outside of PFC.
And since we're on the topic, how about we start throwing a little trash talk back at ROFL? You've done your fair share of trying to paint us as the bad guys because we took one district from a corp that has no place being on a newb-friendly planet, but how about we talk about the 20 districts in MH that you've been locking for over a month? RoFL makes 10% of all of MH inaccessible to anyone else by locking their own districts with fake battles. You're the cancer of MH and to see any sort of moral high ground from anyone in an alliance that condones that selfish behavior is absolutely laughable.
I've got to give you props though, Leither, you do have the funniest signature I've seen on the forums so far.
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Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.12.09 23:40:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:
It's particularly his view that corps should attack to take districts on PFC that I take issue with. I certainly can understand needing help from outside PFC to remove someone like Nyain San. But then begs the question that shouldn't other residents of PFC be the ones to ask for help? I admit I don't troll the war room daily anymore, but it always seems to me that when a larger corp has gotten involved in some sort of police action on PFC, it's not particularly been requested by others on PFC. Forgive me if I'm wrong there.
There are always new corps interested in joining PFC. They might be worried about retaliation once the district is taken. In other words asking for someone else to poke the bear may still come back to hurt you.
Quote:Honestly, the number one thing that's beneficial in PFC is communication. When we know someone's just attacking for practice, and can rotate some of our greener players in. (As opposed to someone who doesn't support or even know about PFC, with which we need to run our A team.) Multiple times have community actions on PFC to remove people abusing it or breaking rules been mistaken as either a corp getting greedy, or scrapping PFC.
Honestly, the experiment I'd recommend: Make a thread, and have everyone who places an attack on PFC state the attack, whether they intend to claim the district or if it's just practice, and if it's a claim attempt, what reason they have for doing so. It's not really policeable due to the fact that we can see who's attacking who, but for those willing to do so, it'd be both a great opportunity to communicate, as well as evidence of activity and willingness to collaborate on this wonderful practice experiment.
That sounds like something the members of PFC could set up, which is the self-containing and self-operating we talked about several times in this thread. PFC will be what you make of it. If these new corps just want to farm ISK or play these safe battles where nothing is at risk, it defeats the purpose of PFC. If they want to avoid any sort of risk, that defeats the purpose of training for real PC battles. If guys want to fight stronger corps on PFC, all they need to do is ask. It's likely a lot of more experienced corps out there would be more than willing to play a newer corp that was actually interested in expanding to MH proper. Who knows, they might even find a new ally.
But to reiterate, we don't want to police PFC. We want PFC to work as it was originally intended--as a training grounds for new and inexperienced corporations to hopefully expand outwards. If we see very competent and experienced corporations like Nyain San simply farming more ISK, that's not something we feel honors the spirit of PFC. Hopefully veteran corporations and newer corporations on PFC can understand why we're doing it, which was the purpose of this thread.
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