To be frank as well, we won't attack corps that we have relations with.

hahahaha^^

i find it to be LOL that RND is judging other corps farming isk on PFC since you guys were on there for weeks after we asked you repeatedly to bounce, im glad you guys are taking the initiative in policing PFC though and im sure kujo would back me in saying we'd be glad to pass the torch of being the police to you.

Not sure why that's funny or would surprise you. We aren't taking the moral ground of policing Oddeldulf. We just choose not to obey those rules and are giving you the reasons why.

i find it to be LOL that RND is judging other corps farming isk on PFC since you guys were on there for weeks after we asked you repeatedly to bounce, im glad you guys are taking the initiative in policing PFC though and im sure kujo would back me in saying we'd be glad to pass the torch of being the police to you.

really? Do i have to explain why im laughing about that bs?


We should all follow the rules of PFC.

U guys take our district and saying: ey, u are a "vet" corp and shouldnt be on the PFC. Im fine with this.
But right after that u saying: ey, we are only removing "not friendly" corps. And we are not policing...


Its ok ydubbs, do what u have to do...;)


Sad to see, that PFC is going this way.
U could have ask us if we leave PFC for a new corp ;)


Im out of here...:D

PS: Sry for my good english

It's true...some of the corps on PFC has been on there for how long now? Noone plays with the urgency and the heart because there is no risk of losing their district. You see guys in pc battles with advanced and std gear...or staying back trying not to lose any suits. I remember corps bringing 6 guys to the pc battle.. I mean, what sort of training is that?

If corps want to train, then they need to venture out of pc. The only problem is that who are you going to attack? Only attainable districts belong to corps that new corps won't be able to beat and they have so many. Best thing would be if corps attack corps on their relative level. I believe in the Tier system that was being constructed before.

But at the same time, how can you ask a corp to give up their districts if they don't want to. Or, ask fhem not to attack a certain corp if they want to. So, even in a system where the likes of Nyain San shouldn't attack a corp like dystopia...how can you ask them not to...and where does it stop? AE is better than everyone in MH, right? So, should they not launch attacks because they're going to roflstomp everyone? How can you ask them not to? It's really up to every corp to decide what they should do AND to consider if it benefits the longevity of Planetary Conquest.

I don't have the solution but I do know that PFC is not doing anything but giving guys extremely friendly battles and are not gearing them for the real experience of pc. Many of them have no intent of venturing out of PFC either.

about attacking big corps that are farming im suprised no one mentioned helstorm inc.
ive seen them have maximum clones on that district for weeks at a time. no joke

Recently Ahrendee Mercenaries has been taking over select districts on planet Oddelulf (commonly referred to as Planet Fight Club) in violation of the rules set forth for PFC. Today we explain to the community why we're doing it.

RND was originally very much in favor of a planet where corporations that were newer and inexperienced could practice against other corporations of similar skill level and experience. And in the beginning, the manifestation seemed to follow the vision closely.

In recent weeks and months, however, corporations that are neither new, nor inexperienced, have been holding districts on PFC as a way to generate ISK without any fear of losing the district itself. UPS is the most recent of these corporations we feel don't belong on Oddelulf for one very important reason: they have too much Dust and PC experience to be there.

As a corporation they (and other veteran corporations on PFC) have done more to damage the integrity and reputation of Planet Fight Club by farming ISK and making a mockery of the battles than we could ever do merely by taking over their district. The first battle with UPS simply reinforced our belief that without any fear of losing districts, corporations on PFC are not getting legitimate Planetary Conquest training nor are they treating the battles with anything approaching respect. This is the highest competitive level in Dust and with nothing at risk, there's little reason to put in any true effort.

If the threat of losing a district is removed, battles are not going to be up to the standard of normal PC and ultimately do more harm than good to corporations training there.

We are probably moving out soon. Probably within a month or two because honestly it is expensive as hell to train there, but for us it has been worth it because of how much we have learned. As soon as our clone count generates any money we launch an attack to keep from farming, what ends up happening is we usually get about 2-7 million isk credit from whatever is sold off after the clone cap of 450 is reached and we move to attack then get attacked the next day and so on. We love the challenge of the constant attacks, but it is exhausting. I have watched our corp wallet get crushed over the past 3 months since we have been training as hard as we can. I feel like if we get off of PFC with a sale of the district, then for about a month save up our tax income, then launch an all out assault on whoever in the universe, maybe, just maybe we can get an outside district. We are really scared that their alliance members will beat the hell out of us immediately afterwards though, and return the district to whoever it is. I am not sure how this all plays out, but I love PFC. It has givin this game true meaning to me. Without it I would just be another blueberry out in the middle of nowhere tryin to steal your LAV.

That said, I am interested in this idea of the districts being able to be flipped. This way we may not have as big of fear to move out because we could just go back and take a district from someone on PFC, plus we would have to adapt to defending all maps. I see a lot of flaws, but a lot of benefits as well. I second that the bigger corps like Nyan San, UPS, and the likes should step aside for more indie corps. I mean if we are already thinking of it, what the hell are you guys doing there? Move out so the noobs can get a little fighting in.



Soulja I think you may have this mixed up as we have been in several battles with Hellstorm recently, and their clone count is hardly ever maxed out, plus we just attacked them 2 days ago and there is another battle planned shortly. Also they do not have an outsidse district (although I'm sure they will soon), I know these guys and they aren't abusing this planet I assure you.

I thoroughly enjoyed that story aswell! :D

I love how Rampage is using a 5 year old internet meme to attempt to sound funny. He tried so hard too!

We wanted more ISK and don't really care about PFC, so we took some districts from people unlikely to fight back and then made a post about it.

I fixed your original post for you.

I'm getting utterly fed up with the massive amount of pomp and circumstance people infuse into these absolutely asinine posts. You wanted ISK and you wanted districts. So be it, you got it. Ruining PFC in the process is the price you pay, but own up to it.

If you felt otherwise, you would have contacted UPS, ROFL, or anyone really about UPS's activity on PFC. Activity which has been as frequent as possible considering the horrendous lack of EUTZ targets and the debilitating effect that PC lag has on European corporations in particular.

Instead you shoved your face in without a care nor a word nor a thought towards the consequences. That's avarice at its finest.

If you had actually taken time to look, you would find that you just took the PFC district from the only German corporation in PC- a corporation that has survived not only the brutally flawed game mechanics which we've endured for months, but also suffered more acutely at the hands of the latency issues than practically anyone else. You would find that you had taken the district from a corporation which, for more than 4 months, hasn't had another district to their name because of these circumstances.

Good job on making it harder for an entire part of the community to participate in PC.


These posts fly around here, and all they're about is corporations acting like boys instead of men. If you were men, you'd own up to the real motivations of your actions and deal with the consequences. Instead the message is insipid and cowardly.

True story- Nobody hates you for being greedy and self-interested. That's New Eden. What can get people to dislike you is lying to their faces about how noble your intentions are in the universe where nobility is a fairy tale.

Pradox is still fielding our px16 members as training for them. If I or other pradox one members are in the battle, we are there to squad lead and teach new guys our tactics. If our pfc is not getting attacked, we are sure to send out our own attacks as we want to have as many training battles as we can handle.

our next pfc fight is today vs the burgerz people. Going to raid their pfc and steal their sandwhiches and fries.

Right....but this is how you fix it. Make Oddeldulf the entry into pc. Make it the indie planet, so to speak. So small or low tiered corps can farm if they want but their districts will be at risk from new corps entering in.

So, if a corp is good enough to beat one of the weaker corps on Oddeldulf, then they launch a few clone packs and now they are in. They have the option to take more districts on Oddeldulf if they can. They get their training up....and then they try their luck outside of Oddeldulf if they want to grow.

Corps that have been kicked out of PC should have the option to reenter pc through Oddeldulf as well, especially if they are rebuilding. But they still run the risk of being attacked since they are considered vet corps. The problem is no risk of losing districts...

I fixed your original post for you.

I'm getting utterly fed up with the massive amount of pomp and circumstance people infuse into these absolutely asinine posts. You wanted ISK and you wanted districts. So be it, you got it. Ruining PFC in the process is the price you pay, but own up to it.

If you felt otherwise, you would have contacted UPS, ROFL, or anyone really about UPS's activity on PFC. Activity which has been as frequent as possible considering the horrendous lack of EUTZ targets and the debilitating effect that PC lag has on European corporations in particular.

Instead you shoved your face in without a care nor a word nor a thought towards the consequences. That's avarice at its finest.

If you had actually taken time to look, you would find that you just took the PFC district from the only German corporation in PC- a corporation that has survived not only the brutally flawed game mechanics which we've endured for months, but also suffered more acutely at the hands of the latency issues than practically anyone else. You would find that you had taken the district from a corporation which, for more than 4 months, hasn't had another district to their name because of these circumstances.

Good job on making it harder for an entire part of the community to participate in PC.


These posts fly around here, and all they're about is corporations acting like boys instead of men. If you were men, you'd own up to the real motivations of your actions and deal with the consequences. Instead the message is insipid and cowardly.

True story- Nobody hates you for being greedy and self-interested. That's New Eden. What can get people to dislike you is lying to their faces about how noble your intentions are in the universe where nobility is a fairy tale.

+1. PFC would work better if it was a live fire zone for corps that can't (yet) compete in MH proper. Anyone could flip a district there provided:

1. They didn't own any districts in MH proper.
2. They didn't already own a PFC district.
3. They didn't use any ringers (not sure if alliance members should count).

This way PFC would operate more like the 'fight club' ideal:

- Indie corps outside of PFC would have a strong incentive to attack as it would be the one way they could take a district without the threat of immediately losing it to a vet corp.
- Because of that PFC would be more self-regulating (no need for AE or whoever to come along and say 'use your clones or lose your district').
- District ownership would be decided by battles between indie corps, rather than by 'the powers that be'.
- As districts could be flipped the stakes would be higher, so it would give a truer PC experience than current PFC.

EDIT - My plan is a bit different from yours, because I don't think any corp should be able to take more than 1 PFC district. If they could, you'd get midrank corps with no land outside PFC that would take 5 or 6 PFC districts and farm them for the rest of eternity. There should be a reason to want to move beyond PFC, and that reason should be to own more than 1 district.

So, we're on the same page. But we can develop it a bit more. I don't think the rules 1,2,3 should apply. Because corps that got kicked out of pc should be able to return.

Honestly, I don't mind if vet corps that got removed from pc started back on PFC. Because it goes back to the point...how else will they reenter. Until CCP changes the clone count of a clone pack, it will be hard to win a match with 120 clones. Let alone two or three to take the district.

Also don't think they should have more 2 districts on PFC. Because you don't want one corp to take over the whole planet. If they do, then the community should have the green light to take the third district from them. There should be wars on PFC as well...so holding multiple districts shouldn't be a problem. But vets should be limited to 2. If they want more, then they will have to expand outside of PFC.

Looool! All I hear is blablabla. And not even consistent blablabla. It's just "today this, tomorrow that". Now you just nullified the reason for taking our district. Pathetic

So, we're on the same page. But we can develop it a bit more. I don't think the rules 1,2,3 should apply. Because corps that got kicked out of pc should be able to return.

Honestly, I don't mind if vet corps that got removed from pc started back on PFC. Because it goes back to the point...how else will they reenter. Until CCP changes the clone count of a clone pack, it will be hard to win a match with 120 clones. Let alone two or three to take the district.

Also don't think they should have more 2 districts on PFC. Because you don't want one corp to take over the whole planet. If they do, then the community should have the green light to take the third district from them. There should be wars on PFC as well...so holding multiple districts shouldn't be a problem. But vets should be limited to 2. If they want more, then they will have to expand outside of PFC.

Actually I wasn't as clear as I should have been. Number 1 should be 'they DON'T own any districts in MH proper'. I'd have no problem at all with a vet corp that has no districts now but once did taking a PFC district. So we agree on that point.

Regarding the maximum number of PFC districts held by one corp, I would worry that some quite capable corps would be tempted to farm 2 PFC districts rather than enter MH proper and lose everything. But it does introduce a nice dynamic in that PFC corps could then use their district clones rather than clone packs to attack, which is an important part of PC. So you've persuaded me .

So the revised version says a corp can hold a PFC district if:

1. They don't own any districts in MH proper.
2. They don't own more than one other PFC district.
3. They don't use ringers.

where's the inconsistency??

In recent weeks and months, however, corporations that are neither new, nor inexperienced, have been holding districts on PFC as a way to generate ISK without any fear of losing the district itself. UPS is the most recent of these corporations we feel don't belong on Oddelulf for one very important reason: they have too much Dust and PC experience to be there.

Honestly, I don't mind if vet corps that got removed from pc started back on PFC. Because it goes back to the point...how else will they reenter. Until CCP changes the clone count of a clone pack, it will be hard to win a match with 120 clones. Let alone two or three to take the district.

Also don't think they should have more 2 districts on PFC. Because you don't want one corp to take over the whole planet. If they do, then the community should have the green light to take the third district from them. There should be wars on PFC as well...so holding multiple districts shouldn't be a problem. But vets should be limited to 2. If they want more, then they will have to expand outside of PFC.

where's the inconsistency??

In recent weeks and months, however, corporations that are neither new, nor inexperienced, have been holding districts on PFC as a way to generate ISK without any fear of losing the district itself. UPS is the most recent of these corporations we feel don't belong on Oddelulf for one very important reason: they have too much Dust and PC experience to be there.

Honestly, I don't mind if vet corps that got removed from pc started back on PFC. Because it goes back to the point...how else will they reenter. Until CCP changes the clone count of a clone pack, it will be hard to win a match with 120 clones. Let alone two or three to take the district.

Also don't think they should have more 2 districts on PFC. Because you don't want one corp to take over the whole planet. If they do, then the community should have the green light to take the third district from them. There should be wars on PFC as well...so holding multiple districts shouldn't be a problem. But vets should be limited to 2. If they want more, then they will have to expand outside of PFC.

What is it now? Vets with PC-experience in or out?

To be frank as well, we won't attack corps that we have relations with.

1. They didn't own any districts in MH proper.
2. They didn't already own a PFC district.
3. They didn't use any ringers (not sure if alliance members should count).