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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2013.12.09 17:46:00 -
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I always find it funny when you have a thread of people all in major corps which own 10+ districts outside PFC gather up and all agree that PFC doesn't benefit anyone.
I've been with PFC in one way or another for a very long time, since it's inception. I've seen all the different policing styles employed so far, and my favorite, by far, was proposed by Mike Ruan of Pradox One: The community communicates with each other and polices themselves. For instance, someone took W-J-R's PFC district. FORIM attacked it, retook it, and granted it back to W-J-R.
The reality is, a small number of players currently control the vast majority of the territory available, and due to terrible game mechanics, there's not a ton people can do about it. PFC is an opportunity for a lot of people to play without a drastically unmanageable financial investment. Many of you are in corps where you can't fathom the idea that two or three clone packs is a major financial investment that may take months to gather.
So these corps will take months to get their money to get in, probably lose a few along the way, but maybe get lucky, and finally take one. And two days later, Nyain San rolls around with their Asian-region server and lags them out through two matches in about 40 minutes.
Player turnover has been terrible, especially with the PS4 launch. A lot of PFC corps have strived to run their newbs through PFC matches for practice. Corps who "rebel against PFC" are the problem though. We're happy to field our newer players, even against the toughest New Eden has to offer. But if we're going to lose our district and financial investment, we have to switch to our A team. More than once, our attempts to get our new players experience against other corps have been ruined when those corps have attempted to take our district rather than play us on it.
Ydubbs, I'm not questioning your sincerity. I'm not suggesting you aren't trying to do what you think is best. But you're wrong. You aren't in a position to understand what PFC offers, and how your corps' actions threaten it. Yes, there are problem children on PFC, yes, it's hard for a corp like TP or AE to manage it fairly. But it provides a lot of value for a lot of players. If you're truly committed to providing an environment for people to practice and grow, try and keep corps with territory outside of PFC completely hands-off, and let us manage ourselves.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2013.12.09 22:25:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:The reading comprehension of several of the recent posters is really pathetic. How many times has Dubbs said in this thread that we want the community, specifically PFC, to police itself? But sometimes there will be corps you can't take the district from even if you wanted to, because they're experienced, better and don't belong there.
Which one of you new corps is going to take both of Nyain San's districts? Any takers? Thought so. That's the sort of thing we're willing to do. Throughout the thread Dubbs has explained we like and respect what PFC is and does for some of the new corps. We're still a fan of the concept, but particulars (for example veteran corporations owning districts on PFC, especially when they have more outside of it) need to be addressed.
It's particularly his view that corps should attack to take districts on PFC that I take issue with. I certainly can understand needing help from outside PFC to remove someone like Nyain San. But then begs the question that shouldn't other residents of PFC be the ones to ask for help? I admit I don't troll the war room daily anymore, but it always seems to me that when a larger corp has gotten involved in some sort of police action on PFC, it's not particularly been requested by others on PFC. Forgive me if I'm wrong there.
Honestly, the number one thing that's beneficial in PFC is communication. When we know someone's just attacking for practice, and can rotate some of our greener players in. (As opposed to someone who doesn't support or even know about PFC, with which we need to run our A team.) Multiple times have community actions on PFC to remove people abusing it or breaking rules been mistaken as either a corp getting greedy, or scrapping PFC.
Honestly, the experiment I'd recommend: Make a thread, and have everyone who places an attack on PFC state the attack, whether they intend to claim the district or if it's just practice, and if it's a claim attempt, what reason they have for doing so. It's not really policeable due to the fact that we can see who's attacking who, but for those willing to do so, it'd be both a great opportunity to communicate, as well as evidence of activity and willingness to collaborate on this wonderful practice experiment.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2013.12.09 22:32:00 -
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As a personal note, I really have no problem with even RND, Nyain, etc. participating in a PFC-like system, because it'd give us the chance to face off against them for skill. You definitely don't want to only face people below you. I prefer facing people on a *roughly* even tier, mostly because I love the excitement of a good close match. But as pointed out in this thread, if you aren't facing tougher and tougher opponents, you aren't learning.
One of the bummers of PC, is that if I have a district, and I go attack say... Nyain... in most circumstances, I have now poked the bear. Even if I just wanted a practice match, I might have just signed up for a retaliatory attack intending to take our district. The "no taking districts" thing in PFC fosters that ability. We can feel safe running against a tougher enemy, because we aren't sacrificing our district to do it. Risk aversion is a strong incentive to only attack weaker corps, so removing risk, allows more practice. (Obviously, there are problem cases where people roll standard and advanced gear in PC. Case-by-case problem, there.)
As a note, I've actually had among the greatest respect for how RND has sometimes chosen to do single attacks for fights, and not press the attack if the other team put up a good effort.
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