DUST Search - Ahrendee Public Statement Concerning Planet Fight Club

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

Parson Atreides wrote:

The reading comprehension of several of the recent posters is really pathetic. How many times has Dubbs said in this thread that we want the community, specifically PFC, to police itself? But sometimes there will be corps you can't take the district from even if you wanted to, because they're experienced, better and don't belong there.

Which one of you new corps is going to take both of Nyain San's districts? Any takers? Thought so. That's the sort of thing we're willing to do. Throughout the thread Dubbs has explained we like and respect what PFC is and does for some of the new corps. We're still a fan of the concept, but particulars (for example veteran corporations owning districts on PFC, especially when they have more outside of it) need to be addressed.

It's particularly his view that corps should attack to take districts on PFC that I take issue with. I certainly can understand needing help from outside PFC to remove someone like Nyain San. But then begs the question that shouldn't other residents of PFC be the ones to ask for help? I admit I don't troll the war room daily anymore, but it always seems to me that when a larger corp has gotten involved in some sort of police action on PFC, it's not particularly been requested by others on PFC. Forgive me if I'm wrong there.

Honestly, the number one thing that's beneficial in PFC is communication. When we know someone's just attacking for practice, and can rotate some of our greener players in. (As opposed to someone who doesn't support or even know about PFC, with which we need to run our A team.) Multiple times have community actions on PFC to remove people abusing it or breaking rules been mistaken as either a corp getting greedy, or scrapping PFC.

Honestly, the experiment I'd recommend: Make a thread, and have everyone who places an attack on PFC state the attack, whether they intend to claim the district or if it's just practice, and if it's a claim attempt, what reason they have for doing so. It's not really policeable due to the fact that we can see who's attacking who, but for those willing to do so, it'd be both a great opportunity to communicate, as well as evidence of activity and willingness to collaborate on this wonderful practice experiment.

This is totally unmanageable. I promise you, plenty of attacks (probably a majority) would get placed with no statement on the forums, and the thread would immediately go to 10+ pages of 'why you attack me?' QQ, so no one could find anything relevant to their own corp.

I take it you've seen Fight Club? Those guys are really going hard; they don't look the same afterwards. That's not what PFC is like at the moment. Attacks are rare - right now 15 of 24 districts are at full clones. When people do attack, nothing is at stake, so people aren't willing to lose 15 proto suits throwing themselves at a well defended objective like they do in PC proper. Afterwards everything goes back to how it was.

I like YDubbs' idea. PFC has real fights with real consequences, like the rest of MH does, just between corps that don't own land elsewhere (either new corps or vet corps that are getting back on their feet). PFC corps would have to defend their land against each other and against corps who don't hold any land. With that system there's no need for any communication about the intent of an attack. This is planetary conquest, the intent is conquest.

AE, RND, etc would only get involved if PFC land was taken by a corp with land outside PFC, or if a PFC corp took more than the maximum number of districts (probably 2). The vast majority of district transfers would be handled by the PFC corps themselves and the other smaller corps that want to be there, through the crucible of war. Isn't that how it should be?

Common Sense and Logic are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.


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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2351	Posted - 2013.12.07 18:35:00 - [1] - Quote Regulating and policing oddeluf is a major time commitment. Get a grip on it and evict the squatter, and next thing get ridiculed for being a 'bully' Keep it simple. Make simple rules even illiterate rhesus monkeys with glaucoma in 1 eye can understand. Then enforce it. passive policing is what allowed PFC to get where it currently is Common Sense and *Logic* are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2362	Posted - 2013.12.09 15:57:00 - [2] - Quote still.. PFC is like the Brady bunch.. dysfunctional and u just wanna smack everyone seriously tho... few follow the rules, so the rules are useless. There is no public discussion when things happen, which is the COMPLETE opposite of how its supposed to be done. Its unfortunate that there re a handful of corps who have been on PFC for a while, followed all rules, and are truly affected by the lack of order or what have you on the planet. the torch was passed to AE, and the ball has been dropped, punted, blocked, lateraled, and has gone out of bounds. The play is under review... problem is no one knows how to operate the replay equipment those that DO either don't have the manpower or simply just don't give a $h1t, or DO.. and just don't have the stones to regulate. it would be Sooooo easy to police, because, in theory, all experienced PC vets should be on the same side in regard to PFC.. obviously not the case hence a broken system. and with no 'full disclosure' on the forums, and districts flip faster than a fry cook at a local diner during their 2fer1 hotcakes special, the system at its core has derailed Common Sense and *Logic* are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2362	Posted - 2013.12.09 18:27:00 - [3] - Quote that's really the issue tho. there is not a consensus to have such a place where corps can grow and get experience. that's the root issue of PFC right there some are for it, others aren't, others yet just don't care. with he dwindling #s molden heath it becomes even harder to get a majority backing a particular stance. unfortunate, but sadly true Common Sense and *Logic* are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2371	Posted - 2013.12.10 14:01:00 - [4] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Parson Atreides wrote: The reading comprehension of several of the recent posters is really pathetic. How many times has Dubbs said in this thread that we want the community, specifically PFC, to police itself? But sometimes there will be corps you can't take the district from even if you wanted to, because they're experienced, better and don't belong there. Which one of you new corps is going to take both of Nyain San's districts? Any takers? Thought so. That's the sort of thing we're willing to do. Throughout the thread Dubbs has explained we like and respect what PFC is and does for some of the new corps. We're still a fan of the concept, but particulars (for example veteran corporations owning districts on PFC, especially when they have more outside of it) need to be addressed. It's particularly his view that corps should attack to take districts on PFC that I take issue with. I certainly can understand needing help from outside PFC to remove someone like Nyain San. But then begs the question that shouldn't other residents of PFC be the ones to ask for help? I admit I don't troll the war room daily anymore, but it always seems to me that when a larger corp has gotten involved in some sort of police action on PFC, it's not particularly been requested by others on PFC. Forgive me if I'm wrong there. Honestly, the number one thing that's beneficial in PFC is communication. When we know someone's just attacking for practice, and can rotate some of our greener players in. (As opposed to someone who doesn't support or even know about PFC, with which we need to run our A team.) Multiple times have community actions on PFC to remove people abusing it or breaking rules been mistaken as either a corp getting greedy, or scrapping PFC. Honestly, the experiment I'd recommend: Make a thread, and have everyone who places an attack on PFC state the attack, whether they intend to claim the district or if it's just practice, and if it's a claim attempt, what reason they have for doing so. It's not really policeable due to the fact that we can see who's attacking who, but for those willing to do so, it'd be both a great opportunity to communicate, as well as evidence of activity and willingness to collaborate on this wonderful practice experiment. This is totally unmanageable. I promise you, plenty of attacks (probably a majority) would get placed with no statement on the forums, and the thread would immediately go to 10+ pages of 'why you attack me?' QQ, so no one could find anything relevant to their own corp. I take it you've seen Fight Club? Those guys are really going hard; they don't look the same afterwards. That's not what PFC is like at the moment. Attacks are rare - right now 15 of 24 districts are at full clones. When people do attack, nothing is at stake, so people aren't willing to lose 15 proto suits throwing themselves at a well defended objective like they do in PC proper. Afterwards everything goes back to how it was. I like YDubbs' idea. PFC has real fights with real consequences, like the rest of MH does, just between corps that don't own land elsewhere (either new corps or vet corps that are getting back on their feet). PFC corps would have to defend their land against each other and against corps who don't hold any land. With that system there's no need for any communication about the intent of an attack. This is planetary conquest, the intent is conquest. AE, RND, etc would only get involved if PFC land was taken by a corp with land outside PFC, or if a PFC corp took more than the maximum number of districts (probably 2). The vast majority of district transfers would be handled by the PFC corps themselves and the other smaller corps that want to be there, through the crucible of war. Isn't that how it should be? that's how it used to be...... attacks would come and go, activity monitored but no one interfered unless a public post with proof was made stating an issue that didn't coincide with rules... ringers/clones outside oddeluf etc. full public disclosure is absolutely required for all things PFC related. If it truly is a community made/policed etc etc planet, then there should be complete transparency. this would include when people move in or out. none of that has happened in some time, and thus half the planet is suffering from raging wildfires Common Sense and *Logic* are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.