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Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 277	Posted - 2013.12.07 03:14:00 - [1] - Quote So my opinion on tanks is that they should be a vital part of gameplay that tips the infantry battle way in your favor holding off pushes sitting at an objective and holding off the enemy while the hack is completed, helping you to win the game. Here are numerous complaints and questions AV presents AV has stated numerous times that buffs would make it Tank514 a. there is a vehicle cap b. the field becomes cluttered with vehicles and it is hard to maneuver freely c. Tanks can not go under ground have a limited turret angle (can only look so far up) and can not shoot through walls nor enter the buildings d. vehicles can't cap objectives Tanks can not single handedly win an objective game unless you are presenting an easier target again and again to waste clones What will the point of AV be if it can't single handedly take out a tank in under 15 seconds Av will tip the balance in your favor here is an example 4.5mil moderate tanker < 10mil experienced pilot 4.5mil moderate tanker + proto swarms >/= 10 mil experienced pilot 95% of us agree tanks should go down to 4+ dedicated AV specialists 2+ warrants a retreat and with all mods on be invincible to 1 guy, but want Tanks to be our main counter, we don't want to be invincible contrary to popular belief. We would like to have fun on a good game with ADV AV or less with no coordination and their whole team not hiding in the redline or being a city heavy map I will go 15-20 that's not enough kills to kill the entire team how much do you hate a tank for killing you once maybe twice perhaps 3 times, Clearly enough to want to instapop them. You don't want us to run totally insane hard to kill stacked tanks and get 20-30+ kills but what's the difference between us pulling out a good fit and stomping and a stacked proto going getting 20-30+ kills it's frowned upon but certainly possible Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 393	Posted - 2013.12.07 03:19:00 - [2] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: So my opinion on tanks is that they should be a vital part of gameplay that tips the infantry battle way in your favor holding off pushes sitting at an objective and holding off the enemy while the hack is completed, helping you to win the game. Here are numerous complaints and questions AV presents AV has stated numerous times that buffs would make it Tank514 a. there is a vehicle cap b. the field becomes cluttered with vehicles and it is hard to maneuver freely c. Tanks can not go under ground have a limited turret angle (can only look so far up) and can not shoot through walls nor enter the buildings d. vehicles can't cap objectives Tanks can not single handedly win an objective game unless you are presenting an easier target again and again to waste clones What will the point of AV be if it can't single handedly take out a tank in under 15 seconds Av will tip the balance in your favor here is an example 4.5mil moderate tanker < 10mil experienced pilot 4.5mil moderate tanker + proto swarms >/= 10 mil experienced pilot 95% of us agree tanks should go down to 4+ dedicated AV specialists 2+ warrants a retreat and with all mods on be invincible to 1 guy, but want Tanks to be our main counter, we don't want to be invincible contrary to popular belief. We would like to have fun on a good game with ADV AV or less with no coordination and their whole team not hiding in the redline or being a city heavy map I will go 15-20 that's not enough kills to kill the entire team how much do you hate a tank for killing you once maybe twice perhaps 3 times, Clearly enough to want to instapop them. You don't want us to run totally insane hard to kill stacked tanks and get 20-30+ kills but what's the difference between us pulling out a good fit and stomping and a stacked proto going getting 20-30+ kills it's frowned upon but certainly possible GOOO AWAY Atiim!!!! *Sagaris lover!!!*
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4891	Posted - 2013.12.07 03:27:00 - [3] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: 95% of us Source? Never forget How to fix the Logi
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 188	Posted - 2013.12.07 03:31:00 - [4] - Quote I dont mind your post but your signature. The only reason so many people went AV is due to when uprising started off. Tankers were killing EVERYTHING. People got sick of it. Went AV. Then tankers QQ. Dont get me wrong. The SP spent into tanks and the SP spent into AV is way smaller. Tanks shouldnt walk all over AV. AV shouldnt pop a tank so easy. I like 5-6 PRO AV nads should pop a tank and no nads should be able to be restocked from nanohives. I really hope 1.7 is what tankers wanted or needed. Heavys only have 2 heavy guns. Please dont turn the NERF bat on them. Give heavys more suits or guns please :D
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 278	Posted - 2013.12.07 03:33:00 - [5] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: So my opinion on tanks is that they should be a vital part of gameplay that tips the infantry battle way in your favor holding off pushes sitting at an objective and holding off the enemy while the hack is completed, helping you to win the game. Here are numerous complaints and questions AV presents AV has stated numerous times that buffs would make it Tank514 a. there is a vehicle cap b. the field becomes cluttered with vehicles and it is hard to maneuver freely c. Tanks can not go under ground have a limited turret angle (can only look so far up) and can not shoot through walls nor enter the buildings d. vehicles can't cap objectives Tanks can not single handedly win an objective game unless you are presenting an easier target again and again to waste clones What will the point of AV be if it can't single handedly take out a tank in under 15 seconds Av will tip the balance in your favor here is an example 4.5mil moderate tanker < 10mil experienced pilot 4.5mil moderate tanker + proto swarms >/= 10 mil experienced pilot 95% of us agree tanks should go down to 4+ dedicated AV specialists 2+ warrants a retreat and with all mods on be invincible to 1 guy, but want Tanks to be our main counter, we don't want to be invincible contrary to popular belief. We would like to have fun on a good game with ADV AV or less with no coordination and their whole team not hiding in the redline or being a city heavy map I will go 15-20 that's not enough kills to kill the entire team how much do you hate a tank for killing you once maybe twice perhaps 3 times, Clearly enough to want to instapop them. You don't want us to run totally insane hard to kill stacked tanks and get 20-30+ kills but what's the difference between us pulling out a good fit and stomping and a stacked proto going getting 20-30+ kills it's frowned upon but certainly possible GOOO AWAY Atiim!!!! Can you go on dust im on right now if you want to squad good playing w/ you earlier. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 393	Posted - 2013.12.07 03:34:00 - [6] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: So my opinion on tanks is that they should be a vital part of gameplay that tips the infantry battle way in your favor holding off pushes sitting at an objective and holding off the enemy while the hack is completed, helping you to win the game. Here are numerous complaints and questions AV presents AV has stated numerous times that buffs would make it Tank514 a. there is a vehicle cap b. the field becomes cluttered with vehicles and it is hard to maneuver freely c. Tanks can not go under ground have a limited turret angle (can only look so far up) and can not shoot through walls nor enter the buildings d. vehicles can't cap objectives Tanks can not single handedly win an objective game unless you are presenting an easier target again and again to waste clones What will the point of AV be if it can't single handedly take out a tank in under 15 seconds Av will tip the balance in your favor here is an example 4.5mil moderate tanker < 10mil experienced pilot 4.5mil moderate tanker + proto swarms >/= 10 mil experienced pilot 95% of us agree tanks should go down to 4+ dedicated AV specialists 2+ warrants a retreat and with all mods on be invincible to 1 guy, but want Tanks to be our main counter, we don't want to be invincible contrary to popular belief. We would like to have fun on a good game with ADV AV or less with no coordination and their whole team not hiding in the redline or being a city heavy map I will go 15-20 that's not enough kills to kill the entire team how much do you hate a tank for killing you once maybe twice perhaps 3 times, Clearly enough to want to instapop them. You don't want us to run totally insane hard to kill stacked tanks and get 20-30+ kills but what's the difference between us pulling out a good fit and stomping and a stacked proto going getting 20-30+ kills it's frowned upon but certainly possible GOOO AWAY Atiim!!!! Can you go on dust im on right now if you want to squad good playing w/ you earlier. im about to go to sleep... *Sagaris lover!!!*
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 278	Posted - 2013.12.07 03:35:00 - [7] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: So my opinion on tanks is that they should be a vital part of gameplay that tips the infantry battle way in your favor holding off pushes sitting at an objective and holding off the enemy while the hack is completed, helping you to win the game. Here are numerous complaints and questions AV presents AV has stated numerous times that buffs would make it Tank514 a. there is a vehicle cap b. the field becomes cluttered with vehicles and it is hard to maneuver freely c. Tanks can not go under ground have a limited turret angle (can only look so far up) and can not shoot through walls nor enter the buildings d. vehicles can't cap objectives Tanks can not single handedly win an objective game unless you are presenting an easier target again and again to waste clones What will the point of AV be if it can't single handedly take out a tank in under 15 seconds Av will tip the balance in your favor here is an example 4.5mil moderate tanker < 10mil experienced pilot 4.5mil moderate tanker + proto swarms >/= 10 mil experienced pilot 95% of us agree tanks should go down to 4+ dedicated AV specialists 2+ warrants a retreat and with all mods on be invincible to 1 guy, but want Tanks to be our main counter, we don't want to be invincible contrary to popular belief. We would like to have fun on a good game with ADV AV or less with no coordination and their whole team not hiding in the redline or being a city heavy map I will go 15-20 that's not enough kills to kill the entire team how much do you hate a tank for killing you once maybe twice perhaps 3 times, Clearly enough to want to instapop them. You don't want us to run totally insane hard to kill stacked tanks and get 20-30+ kills but what's the difference between us pulling out a good fit and stomping and a stacked proto going getting 20-30+ kills it's frowned upon but certainly possible GOOO AWAY Atiim!!!! Can you go on dust im on right now if you want to squad good playing w/ you earlier. im about to go to sleep... Aww maybe tomorrow, Im a bit busy though. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Eurydice Itzhak State Patriots 246	Posted - 2013.12.07 03:40:00 - [8] - Quote GET ATMESON wrote: I dont mind your post but your signature. The only reason so many people went AV is due to when uprising started off. Tankers were killing EVERYTHING. People got sick of it. Went AV. Then tankers QQ. Dont get me wrong. The SP spent into tanks and the SP spent into AV is way smaller. Tanks shouldnt walk all over AV. AV shouldnt pop a tank so easy. I like 5-6 PRO AV nads should pop a tank and no nads should be able to be restocked from nanohives. I really hope 1.7 is what tankers wanted or needed. When uprising came out tanks were literally unusable due to a turret angle bug. I have no dog in this fight other than that tidbit. Tanks were continually nerfed from uprising opening until 1.7 which should be the last of the nerfs. (Although av was merged in 1.7 as well, we will see who gets the short end of the stick.)
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 358	Posted - 2013.12.07 04:35:00 - [9] - Quote Tank prices are the only issue. Every role in Dust should be profitable. With standard tanks getting popped in 3 volleys of proto swarms, that's impossible. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 359	Posted - 2013.12.07 04:57:00 - [10] - Quote GET ATMESON wrote: I dont mind your post but your signature. The only reason so many people went AV is due to when uprising started off. Tankers were killing EVERYTHING. People got sick of it. Went AV. Then tankers QQ. Dont get me wrong. The SP spent into tanks and the SP spent into AV is way smaller. Tanks shouldnt walk all over AV. AV shouldnt pop a tank so easy. I like 5-6 PRO AV nads should pop a tank and no nads should be able to be restocked from nanohives. I really hope 1.7 is what tankers wanted or needed. To be honest proto AV shouldn't exist until proto tanks do. Balance STD V STD ADV V ADV PRO V PRO It all equalizes out to an extent in the end because everyone has the freedom to field the gear they choose/afford. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1651	Posted - 2013.12.07 05:14:00 - [11] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: GOOO AWAY Atiim!!!! Oh well would you look at that, I've been inb4'd. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1651	Posted - 2013.12.07 05:19:00 - [12] - Quote I already have >4.5 mil invested into AV. And for the love of all thing just and holy on this godforsaken planet known as Earth, what teamwork is an HAV pilot required to use? Answer: None. So how much teamwork should AV be required to use? Answer: None. Teamwork for all, or teamwork for none. Your "teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me" model does not work well in terms of balance. Also, tell me how being the best counter to your own class is balanced. Answer: It's not. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1651	Posted - 2013.12.07 05:35:00 - [13] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Tank prices are the only issue. Every role in Dust should be profitable. With standard tanks getting popped in 3 volleys of proto swarms, that's impossible. I look at it this way, but in a dropsuit, should something fire at you from 400 meters away, do 1/3rd of all your HP and you cannot see where they are coming from? Oh and your cheapest suit costs 600K. Exactly Well if they have a PRO Sniper rifle, then of course. But I still believe that tanks need a price de-buff. Currently the playstyle is limited to the rich players only, which doesn't seem fair when I and so many other people love tanks but cant afford to always run them. And on another note, can anyone explain why a PRO turret costs 1mil ISK? It's not even that good when the enemy vehicle is using hardners. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Terra Thesis HDYLTA Defiant Legacy 394	Posted - 2013.12.07 05:38:00 - [14] - Quote This character is AV and my alt is 7m SP purely into gallente tanks. So I have a bit of experience on both sides. IMHO HAV should be very powerful but should require proper squad support. HAV with little or no squad support should be easily pushed by or die to AV. The battlefield needs some prestige weapons to make it interesting. I am ok with the high cost and complex, team-based operating requirements. If you want something you can just log on and grind out some quick isk while watching Netflix, I think that's what medium infantry w/ AR is for. I'm very much against taking something as big and awesome and fearsome as an HAV and then have other HAV drivers try to dumb it down. Right now, if I have my squad screening AV for me and spotting targets (my buddy will sometimes just sit with the map up and play tank commander - I love knowing the enemy tank's bearing before I even round the corner), I can usually rip the other team up. On the other hand, if I'm just rolling solo, I'm spending half the game running like a chicken. And I think that's the way it should be balanced. That said, you can run a decent Soma for as little as 250k. The one I use in pubs is 480k with a meta 3 tank and a STD turret. I pretty much break even running 1 tank almost every match, with some exceptions (e.g. if the other team is q-sync and I'm alone with some blueberries). I'll break out my 800k - 1.4m maddies only if I've been catching a good streak. And no, my main doesn't send any isk over, the tanker is 100% self-funded so far. So with a little smart bankroll management it is possible, even if just barely, to run HAVs without external funding or grinding for cash. HDYLTA - Freedom Delivered
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 387	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:03:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: I already have >4.5 mil invested into AV. And for the love of all thing just and holy on this godforsaken planet known as Earth, what teamwork is an HAV pilot required to use? Answer: None. So how much teamwork should AV be required to use? Answer: None. Teamwork for all, or teamwork for none. Your "teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me" model does not work well in terms of balance. Also, tell me how being the best counter to your own class is balanced. Answer: It's not. Teamwork is a simple exchange for not being able to hide. Tanks can get behind cover, but everyone else knows where you are at any one time if they just look at their map, or across the field. If AV weapons cost a minimum of 500,000 isk going up to 1,200,000 for a proto AV, and had a large pillar of light that highlighted you clearly on the map at all times, then your equality issue may have some merit. But an AV user's dropsuit can hide outside of the angle of a tank, inside of buildings, and sneak up behind vehicles. Brute forcing your way by standing out in the open and firing should be obviously punished if you have the capacity to hide, and brains should win over brawn. But you're suggesting brawn should win over more brawn and brains shouldn't even be in the equation anywhere. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 360	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:07:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: Well if they have a PRO Sniper rifle, then of course. But I still believe that tanks need a price de-buff. Currently the playstyle is limited to the rich players only, which doesn't seem fair when I and so many other people love tanks but cant afford to always run them. And on another note, can anyone explain why a PRO turret costs 1mil ISK? It's not even that good when the enemy vehicle is using hardners. PRO sniper rifle that auto locks and hits so long as nothing is in the way. Anywho, I completely agree. I half AFK going 5/0 matches in a rail tank under the MCC so I can afford to pull out a blaster tank to have some fun every couple matches. Funny story, actually. Just rail sniped on ashland on the D side. Spent the entire game moving forward, getting breach forged from some invisible heavy on the pipes just to back up and rep again. Finally rendered at the very end so I mailed him "Lol, see what happens when you finally render?" Somehow even had most points on the team and I only killed one RDV, three turrets and an LAV. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1441	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:19:00 - [17] - Quote Had one game 2 days ago in which the enemy team had 4 tanks at a time, and my team had only 2, including myself. We also had one guy with swarms, while they had a forge and I think 2 swarms handy. The tank - tank fights were great, until the enemy team brought out AV, then it just got lame. Infantry cannot understand the rush you get from battling tank to tank, instead of running away like a beat dog when AV starts flying your way. Tank v tank battles = awesome Tank v AV = lame and not balanced Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Rusty Shallows 567	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:33:00 - [18] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Had one game 2 days ago in which the enemy team had 4 tanks at a time, and my team had only 2, including myself. We also had one guy with swarms, while they had a forge and I think 2 swarms handy. The tank - tank fights were great, until the enemy team brought out AV, then it just got lame. Infantry cannot understand the rush you get from battling tank to tank, instead of running away like a beat dog when AV starts flying your way. Tank v tank battles = awesome Tank v AV = lame and not balanced You might be happier playing World of Tanks. Unless the Dev's endgame really is vehicles, which is unlikely. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 387	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:52:00 - [19] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Had one game 2 days ago in which the enemy team had 4 tanks at a time, and my team had only 2, including myself. We also had one guy with swarms, while they had a forge and I think 2 swarms handy. The tank - tank fights were great, until the enemy team brought out AV, then it just got lame. Infantry cannot understand the rush you get from battling tank to tank, instead of running away like a beat dog when AV starts flying your way. Tank v tank battles = awesome Tank v AV = lame and not balanced You might be happier playing World of Tanks. Unless the Dev's endgame really is vehicles, which is unlikely. Have you ever actually played World of Tanks? 1-4 hits and you're dead, there's no recovery or ability to go toe-to-toe with another for longer than a few seconds. http://youtu.be/Gv9sZfJvQAU If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 109	Posted - 2013.12.07 07:51:00 - [20] - Quote Its all well and good to be able to kill a tank using a squad but when a lone player blindsides a rail tank in an lav, pops them with proto av grenades and a single swarm with no way to defend their hulking pile of scrap that is a rail tank, yeah its a little more than bullshit. Ive said this before and it wont be the last time ive said this. The railgun for tanks should emulate the main cannon from tanks in alot of other games. Heavy centered damage and splash near the center, degrading splash damage as you get further away from the point of impact. Bigger blast radius than it has currently. Still going to be running tanks in 1.7 and will always run scout as well. Look forward to finally being able to shoot back at my invisible assailants. Better hope your not using a breach, cause mine wont miss either at that point. Dedicated scout. Player bodyguard Pistol supremacy.

Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 352	Posted - 2013.12.07 08:06:00 - [21] - Quote I don't understand what everyone's problem with tanks is. I run tanks, over 700K Isk every time. Does your FG or SL cost that much? How about your suit? Remember, not only do we have the tank, we run in suits, as well, a lot of us with repair tools to heal it. We can also have 3 people in our tank and all three get killed by ONE SL user. Really? I'M IN A TANK. It's called a TANK for a reason. Names of playstyles
Terra Thesis HDYLTA Defiant Legacy 396	Posted - 2013.12.07 12:56:00 - [22] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: We can also have 3 people in our tank and all three get killed by ONE SL user. if those two dudes sitting in your tank were out screening AV instead, none of you would have died. I'm not sure why you're dropping 700k tanks when you could be brushing up on basic tactics with a 250k one instead. HDYLTA - Freedom Delivered
Terra Thesis HDYLTA Defiant Legacy 396	Posted - 2013.12.07 13:12:00 - [23] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Tank v tank battles = awesome Tank v AV = lame and not balanced coordinated tank + av + infantry vs. coordinated tank + av + infantry = mind blowing tanks would be so boring if they were safe little boxes from which we could afk farm all infantry. (incidentally, why red line rails should die.) av's purpose is to counter tanks, so yes, we're supposed to lose to them. my squad calls out enemy tank locations including max health, current health, and whether he is aware I'm rolling up on him. they also spot and kill av for me. in return i kill everything they can't (lavs, havs, turrets, and the occasional unwary dropship) and cover the objectives they push. THAT is fun. HDYLTA - Freedom Delivered
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1848	Posted - 2013.12.07 14:01:00 - [24] - Quote Terra Thesis wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: We can also have 3 people in our tank and all three get killed by ONE SL user. if those two dudes sitting in your tank were out screening AV instead, none of you would have died. I'm not sure why you're dropping 700k tanks when you could be brushing up on basic tactics with a 250k one instead. Currently swarms are at least 300m away firing from complete safety while the 2 gunners can do nothing when in the gun seat or out unless they either snipe or i railgun and by the time the sniper finds them i can be dead because in 3seconds there is 3 volleys of proto swarms heading in my direction and more after he has reloaded and i wont see them
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 281	Posted - 2013.12.07 15:02:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: I already have >4.5 mil invested into AV. And for the love of all thing just and holy on this godforsaken planet known as Earth, what teamwork is an HAV pilot required to use? Answer: None. So how much teamwork should AV be required to use? Answer: None. Teamwork for all, or teamwork for none. Your "teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me" model does not work well in terms of balance. Also, tell me how being the best counter to your own class is balanced. Answer: It's not. I was using this as an example AV would help a 10 mil sp tanker beat a 10 mil sp tanker We require a second tank for support or infantry calling out AV and trying to take them out I always roll in squads so I have support. So even though we use teamwork you should not lol lol are you copying Sprks description of AV so original A dropsuit is the best counter to a dropsuit why can't a tank be the best couter to a tank. Example Amarr assault > Caldari assault why can't Caldari tank > Gallente tank. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Thorn Badblood Dust2Dust. Top Men. 83	Posted - 2013.12.07 15:28:00 - [26] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: I don't understand what everyone's problem with tanks is. I run tanks, over 700K Isk every time. Does your FG or SL cost that much? How about your suit? Remember, not only do we have the tank, we run in suits, as well, a lot of us with repair tools to heal it. We can also have 3 people in our tank and all three get killed by ONE SL user. Really? I'M IN A TANK. It's called a TANK for a reason. Tank doesn't mean invincible, they blow up just like all machines. D2D. A Non-Prophet Organization
Terra Thesis HDYLTA Defiant Legacy 397	Posted - 2013.12.07 17:32:00 - [27] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Currently swarms are at least 300m away firing from complete safety while the 2 gunners can do nothing when in the gun seat or out unless they either snipe or i railgun and by the time the sniper finds them i can be dead because in 3seconds there is 3 volleys of proto swarms heading in my direction and more after he has reloaded and i wont see them i agree tank gunners are useless. the exception is one guy temporarily using my tank as cover while he is on the map screen. tell your squad to GTFO and hunt AV. if all 3 of you are sitting in one tank, the swarms can counter all your firepower just by standing behind one pillar. swarms at 300m are the most useless ones. you have plenty of time to turn on hardeners, GTFO or get behind cover. if you don't know the direction he's coming from after the first volley, you're not paying attention. before the last respec I had ADV packed AV grenades and proto swarms and we specialized in hunting and killing sagaris and suryas. I can tell you that hiding across the map and swarming it from 300m was not the way to get it done. HDYLTA - Freedom Delivered
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1661	Posted - 2013.12.07 17:47:00 - [28] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: I already have >4.5 mil invested into AV. And for the love of all thing just and holy on this godforsaken planet known as Earth, what teamwork is an HAV pilot required to use? Answer: None. So how much teamwork should AV be required to use? Answer: None. Teamwork for all, or teamwork for none. Your "teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me" model does not work well in terms of balance. Also, tell me how being the best counter to your own class is balanced. Answer: It's not. I was using this as an example AV would help a 10 mil sp tanker beat a 10 mil sp tanker We require a second tank for support or infantry calling out AV and trying to take them out I always roll in squads so I have support. So even though we use teamwork you should not lol lol are you copying Sprks description of AV so original A dropsuit is the best counter to a dropsuit why can't a tank be the best couter to a tank. Example Amarr assault > Caldari assault why can't Caldari tank > Gallente tank. I revised Spkr's description because it's the actual truth. And I pay him a sum of 1 ISK in royalties everytime I use the quote on the forums. And none of that is actually required. While you may use teamwork, you are in no way required to. However you want AV to be required to use teamwork to be successful. AV is only successful when the vehicle is destroyed, so it would not be balanced to force teamwork upon AV when HAVs are not forced to use teamwork at all. And I've yet to see any comment from a DEV saying that we will be reviving webifiers and receive points for damaging the vehicle. So please don't spew that stuff towards me. And you can't list one thing that an HAV is required to do involving teamwork to be successful. An HAV is completely self-sustainable on the battlefield so AV should be completely self sustainable on the battlefield. Using a dropsuit is the best counter to a dropsuit is way to much of an over generalization. That's like me saying "A vehicle is the best counter to a vehicle". Even though they are two different types of vehicles. Try again. And currently nobody is forced to use teamwork. So your point is invalid. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1661	Posted - 2013.12.07 17:57:00 - [29] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: I don't understand what everyone's problem with tanks is. I run tanks, over 700K Isk every time. Does your FG or SL cost that much? How about your suit? Remember, not only do we have the tank, we run in suits, as well, a lot of us with repair tools to heal it. We can also have 3 people in our tank and all three get killed by ONE SL user. Really? I'M IN A TANK. It's called a TANK for a reason. A tank does not constitute invincibility to AV, nor does it constitute being better at AV than AV itself. You can use a free suit in a tank, so that argument is invalid. If I had a 30k AUR BPO suit that had: 2x Wyrikomi Swarm Launchers 1x Ishukone Assault SMG 5x Complex Damage Mods 2x Ishukone Gauged Nanohives 2x Wyrikomi Triage Nanohives 3x Complex Reactive Plates 1x Complex Kinetic Catilyzer 1x Complex Cardiac Regulator. Base Shields: 650HP Base Armor: 700HP And it's a Medium Frame. Would that be OP? Of course not. I did pay more than you. The amount of ISK or AUR you've paid holds no bearings in terms of balance. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Sylwester Dziewiecki 215	Posted - 2013.12.07 18:15:00 - [30] - Quote Terra Thesis wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Tank v tank battles = awesome Tank v AV = lame and not balanced coordinated tank + av + infantry vs. coordinated tank + av + infantry = mind blowing tanks would be so boring if they were safe little boxes from which we could afk farm all infantry. (incidentally, why red line rails should die.) av's purpose is to counter tanks, so yes, we're supposed to lose to them. my squad calls out enemy tank locations including max health, current health, and whether he is aware I'm rolling up on him. they also spot and kill av for me. in return i kill everything they can't (lavs, havs, turrets, and the occasional unwary dropship) and cover the objectives they push. THAT is fun. What he said about HAV vs HAV is true, awesome engagements . Infantry only spoils the fun, especially when you're HAV is healed by 4-5 Logibro. Rusty Shallows wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Had one game 2 days ago in which the enemy team had 4 tanks at a time, and my team had only 2, including myself. We also had one guy with swarms, while they had a forge and I think 2 swarms handy. The tank - tank fights were great, until the enemy team brought out AV, then it just got lame. Infantry cannot understand the rush you get from battling tank to tank, instead of running away like a beat dog when AV starts flying your way. Tank v tank battles = awesome Tank v AV = lame and not balanced You might be happier playing World of Tanks. Unless the Dev's endgame really is vehicles, which is unlikely. Vehicles tree is end game, just look at EVE - CCP want to equalize the difference in sizes between vessels. Sooner or later we will see other ships than MCC that can do other things on battlefield, who said that the null-cannons can not be fitted on ships and they are made only for ground engagements. I'm here since may 2012, my EVE alter ego is Nosum Hseebnrido.

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1240	Posted - 2013.12.07 18:40:00 - [31] - Quote IMHO, PRO AV (of any variety) should be able to solo STD HAVs, doubleteam ADV HAVs and require a three man crew to kill PRO HAVs. It should be similar across the other tiers. In the event of lower tier AV against HAVs, it should require a larger crew. Ex: STD AV v STD HAV, AV needs a three man crew. STD AV v ADV HAV or ADV AV v PRO HAV, AV requires a four mam crew. In order for a STD AV to kill a PRO HAV, it should require no less than a five man crew. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Terra Thesis HDYLTA Defiant Legacy 398	Posted - 2013.12.07 18:41:00 - [32] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: What he said about HAV vs HAV is true, awesome engagements . Infantry only spoils the fun, especially when you're HAV is healed by 4-5 Logibro. ... Vehicles tree is end game, just look at EVE - CCP want to equalize the difference in sizes between vessels. Sooner or later we will see other ships than MCC that can do other things on battlefield, who said that the null-cannons can not be fitted on ships and they are made only for ground engagements. I see, you want a game without infantry. Yeah, you're in the wrong game entirely. Dust is Medium Frame + AR at its core. HDYLTA - Freedom Delivered
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1443	Posted - 2013.12.07 19:23:00 - [33] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Had one game 2 days ago in which the enemy team had 4 tanks at a time, and my team had only 2, including myself. We also had one guy with swarms, while they had a forge and I think 2 swarms handy. The tank - tank fights were great, until the enemy team brought out AV, then it just got lame. Infantry cannot understand the rush you get from battling tank to tank, instead of running away like a beat dog when AV starts flying your way. Tank v tank battles = awesome Tank v AV = lame and not balanced You might be happier playing World of Tanks. Unless the Dev's endgame really is vehicles, which is unlikely. But see, I don't want to spend money on a gaming computer, so I console game. This game has vehicles, and until CCP explicitly states that they're removing them, you're just going to have to deal with us, whether you like it or now. You could always go to Call of Duty if you don't like vehicles that much. I hear the maps are small and there aren't any tanks prowling around. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1443	Posted - 2013.12.07 19:35:00 - [34] - Quote Terra Thesis wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: We can also have 3 people in our tank and all three get killed by ONE SL user. if those two dudes sitting in your tank were out screening AV instead, none of you would have died. I'm not sure why you're dropping 700k tanks when you could be brushing up on basic tactics with a 250k one instead. Because a Soma can't survive against PRO AV. I was in a blue dot's Soma for a laugh when it was vaporized by one volley from a Wiyrkomi swarm. Do you even tank? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1443	Posted - 2013.12.07 19:41:00 - [35] - Quote Thorn Badblood wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: I don't understand what everyone's problem with tanks is. I run tanks, over 700K Isk every time. Does your FG or SL cost that much? How about your suit? Remember, not only do we have the tank, we run in suits, as well, a lot of us with repair tools to heal it. We can also have 3 people in our tank and all three get killed by ONE SL user. Really? I'M IN A TANK. It's called a TANK for a reason. Tank doesn't mean invincible, they blow up just like all machines. But they're able to take a beating. There's no reason AV should be so much more powerful than tank turrets. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1443	Posted - 2013.12.07 19:44:00 - [36] - Quote Terra Thesis wrote: Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: What he said about HAV vs HAV is true, awesome engagements . Infantry only spoils the fun, especially when you're HAV is healed by 4-5 Logibro. ... Vehicles tree is end game, just look at EVE - CCP want to equalize the difference in sizes between vessels. Sooner or later we will see other ships than MCC that can do other things on battlefield, who said that the null-cannons can not be fitted on ships and they are made only for ground engagements. I see, you want a game without infantry. Yeah, you're in the wrong game entirely. Dust is Medium Frame + AR at its core. No, we want a game that has the opportunity for great tank battles, not one infantryman taking out PRO swarms and keeping all enemy vehicles at bay. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 954	Posted - 2013.12.07 19:49:00 - [37] - Quote 1. The AV isn't the problem. Its rendering mechanics. 2. HAVs survive Orbitals, so they aren't exactly tin cans of death. 3. A tank is supposed to be brute force superior. How can you expect AV users not to use every advantage they can get? That would be like Heavies complaining that they were killed by a Scout with an AR at 60m... of course you got beat; you were OUTPLAYED. Players that take advantage of your weaknesses shouldn't be nerfed just because they were smarter than you. 4. Maybe Swarms needed a price increase? Why does something that can fire simultaneous locking rockets cost the same as a regular ole AR?
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 284	Posted - 2013.12.07 21:51:00 - [38] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: I already have >4.5 mil invested into AV. And for the love of all thing just and holy on this godforsaken planet known as Earth, what teamwork is an HAV pilot required to use? Answer: None. So how much teamwork should AV be required to use? Answer: None. Teamwork for all, or teamwork for none. Your "teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me" model does not work well in terms of balance. Also, tell me how being the best counter to your own class is balanced. Answer: It's not. I was using this as an example AV would help a 10 mil sp tanker beat a 10 mil sp tanker We require a second tank for support or infantry calling out AV and trying to take them out I always roll in squads so I have support. So even though we use teamwork you should not lol lol are you copying Sprks description of AV so original A dropsuit is the best counter to a dropsuit why can't a tank be the best couter to a tank. Example Amarr assault > Caldari assault why can't Caldari tank > Gallente tank. I revised Spkr's description because it's the actual truth. And I pay him a sum of 1 ISK in royalties everytime I use the quote on the forums. And none of that is actually required. While you may use teamwork, you are in no way required to. However you want AV to be required to use teamwork to be successful. AV is only successful when the vehicle is destroyed, so it would not be balanced to force teamwork upon AV when HAVs are not forced to use teamwork at all. And I've yet to see any comment from a DEV saying that we will be reviving webifiers and receive points for damaging the vehicle. So please don't spew that stuff towards me. And you can't list one thing that an HAV is required to do involving teamwork to be successful. An HAV is completely self-sustainable on the battlefield so AV should be completely self sustainable on the battlefield. Using a dropsuit is the best counter to a dropsuit is way to much of an over generalization. That's like me saying "A vehicle is the best counter to a vehicle". Even though they are two different types of vehicles. Try again. And currently nobody is forced to use teamwork. So your point is invalid. You want to make it so I can be soloed I'm going to damn well have infantry support and yes you should require teamwork why because of the SP and ISK differences AV can lock down 3 objectives on a 3 objective map rendering it useless without the destruction of the HAV, actually it would because it is about winning and without teamwork he can not win and is more vulnerable to AV a single guy could cause a tank to retreat constantly by being a major thorn in his side but won't actually kill the tank. 2 words Point Farm Using teamwork a tank could bate another tank into an area where he has AV support. A tank impervious to small weapons fire if left unchallenged can rip the enemy up you don't want to use teamwork to kill it. A tank should be completely self sustainable to 1 person. Ok a Ck.0 dies easily to an Ak.0 but an Mk.0 can still kill it but less effectively, why can't a Caldari tank easily kill a Gallente tank while AV is still potent but not as effective. No tank is required to use teamwork so he is not instapopped by AV. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Terra Thesis HDYLTA Defiant Legacy 399	Posted - 2013.12.07 22:00:00 - [39] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Because a Soma can't survive against PRO AV. I was in a blue dot's Soma for a laugh when it was vaporized by one volley from a Wiyrkomi swarm. Do you even tank? do you? your arguments are based on that time you sat in someone else's soma =/ the only way a swarm can one shot a HAV is if it's an unfitted soma hull. a 250k soma can tank a full PRO clip. i recommend you practice in those before you waste your isk dropping the maddies. HDYLTA - Freedom Delivered
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 284	Posted - 2013.12.07 22:05:00 - [40] - Quote Terra Thesis wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Because a Soma can't survive against PRO AV. I was in a blue dot's Soma for a laugh when it was vaporized by one volley from a Wiyrkomi swarm. Do you even tank? do you? your arguments are based on that time you sat in someone else's soma =/ the only way a swarm can one shot a HAV is if it's an unfitted soma hull. a 250k soma can tank a full PRO clip. i recommend you practice in those before you waste your isk dropping the maddies. I only ever drop good quality tanks so I am unsure exactly how much a soma can take I just know my Maddy can tank 6 PRO swarms if I am not popped before my rep kicks into gear. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have

Rusty Shallows 572	Posted - 2013.12.08 01:25:00 - [41] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: But see, I don't want to spend money on a gaming computer, so I console game. Fair enough. I am the same, that and the rampant cheating on windows platforms. Spkr4theDead wrote: This game has vehicles, and until CCP explicitly states that they're removing them, you're just going to have to deal with us, whether you like it or now. You could always go to Call of Duty if you don't like vehicles that much. I hear the maps are small and there aren't any tanks prowling around. What's with the emotional response? Where and when has there ever been anyone on these forums saying we need to remove vehicles? This is just speculation on my part but I think most of us want a diverse battlefield. The only group with a problem are those who want "HAV > Everything" MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 403	Posted - 2013.12.08 01:37:00 - [42] - Quote Tankers need to be thankful that weapons do not 1 shot pop them. There are many examples out there in the real world of man portable weapons that can bust tanks. Many of them are even guided where a soldier can set up in a area with good concealment fire off a missle or rocket stay somewhat concealed and guide the missle onto target. I wonder how much tankers would QQ if the forge gun could kill in 1 shot.


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