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Terra Thesis
HDYLTA
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:38:00 -
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This character is AV and my alt is 7m SP purely into gallente tanks. So I have a bit of experience on both sides.
IMHO HAV should be very powerful but should require proper squad support. HAV with little or no squad support should be easily pushed by or die to AV.
The battlefield needs some prestige weapons to make it interesting. I am ok with the high cost and complex, team-based operating requirements. If you want something you can just log on and grind out some quick isk while watching Netflix, I think that's what medium infantry w/ AR is for. I'm very much against taking something as big and awesome and fearsome as an HAV and then have other HAV drivers try to dumb it down.
Right now, if I have my squad screening AV for me and spotting targets (my buddy will sometimes just sit with the map up and play tank commander - I love knowing the enemy tank's bearing before I even round the corner), I can usually rip the other team up. On the other hand, if I'm just rolling solo, I'm spending half the game running like a chicken. And I think that's the way it should be balanced.
That said, you can run a decent Soma for as little as 250k. The one I use in pubs is 480k with a meta 3 tank and a STD turret. I pretty much break even running 1 tank almost every match, with some exceptions (e.g. if the other team is q-sync and I'm alone with some blueberries). I'll break out my 800k - 1.4m maddies only if I've been catching a good streak. And no, my main doesn't send any isk over, the tanker is 100% self-funded so far. So with a little smart bankroll management it is possible, even if just barely, to run HAVs without external funding or grinding for cash.
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Terra Thesis
HDYLTA
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Posted - 2013.12.07 12:56:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:We can also have 3 people in our tank and all three get killed by ONE SL user.
if those two dudes sitting in your tank were out screening AV instead, none of you would have died.
I'm not sure why you're dropping 700k tanks when you could be brushing up on basic tactics with a 250k one instead.
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Terra Thesis
HDYLTA
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Posted - 2013.12.07 13:12:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Tank v tank battles = awesome
Tank v AV = lame and not balanced
coordinated tank + av + infantry vs. coordinated tank + av + infantry = mind blowing
tanks would be so boring if they were safe little boxes from which we could afk farm all infantry. (incidentally, why red line rails should die.) av's purpose is to counter tanks, so yes, we're supposed to lose to them.
my squad calls out enemy tank locations including max health, current health, and whether he is aware I'm rolling up on him. they also spot and kill av for me. in return i kill everything they can't (lavs, havs, turrets, and the occasional unwary dropship) and cover the objectives they push. THAT is fun.
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Terra Thesis
HDYLTA
Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2013.12.07 17:32:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Currently swarms are at least 300m away firing from complete safety while the 2 gunners can do nothing when in the gun seat or out unless they either snipe or i railgun and by the time the sniper finds them i can be dead because in 3seconds there is 3 volleys of proto swarms heading in my direction and more after he has reloaded and i wont see them
i agree tank gunners are useless. the exception is one guy temporarily using my tank as cover while he is on the map screen. tell your squad to GTFO and hunt AV. if all 3 of you are sitting in one tank, the swarms can counter all your firepower just by standing behind one pillar.
swarms at 300m are the most useless ones. you have plenty of time to turn on hardeners, GTFO or get behind cover. if you don't know the direction he's coming from after the first volley, you're not paying attention. before the last respec I had ADV packed AV grenades and proto swarms and we specialized in hunting and killing sagaris and suryas. I can tell you that hiding across the map and swarming it from 300m was not the way to get it done.
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HDYLTA
Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2013.12.07 18:41:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:What he said about HAV vs HAV is true, awesome engagements  . Infantry only spoils the fun, especially when you're HAV is healed by 4-5 Logibro. ... Vehicles tree is end game, just look at EVE - CCP want to equalize the difference in sizes between vessels. Sooner or later we will see other ships than MCC that can do other things on battlefield, who said that the null-cannons can not be fitted on ships and they are made only for ground engagements.
I see, you want a game without infantry. Yeah, you're in the wrong game entirely. Dust is Medium Frame + AR at its core.
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HDYLTA
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:00:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
Because a Soma can't survive against PRO AV. I was in a blue dot's Soma for a laugh when it was vaporized by one volley from a Wiyrkomi swarm.
Do you even tank?
do you? your arguments are based on that time you sat in someone else's soma =/ the only way a swarm can one shot a HAV is if it's an unfitted soma hull. a 250k soma can tank a full PRO clip. i recommend you practice in those before you waste your isk dropping the maddies.
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