So my opinion on tanks is that they should be a vital part of gameplay that tips the infantry battle way in your favor holding off pushes sitting at an objective and holding off the enemy while the hack is completed, helping you to win the game.

Here are numerous complaints and questions AV presents

AV has stated numerous times that buffs would make it Tank514
a. there is a vehicle cap
b. the field becomes cluttered with vehicles and it is hard to maneuver freely
c. Tanks can not go under ground have a limited turret angle (can only look so far up) and can not shoot through walls nor enter the buildings
d. vehicles can't cap objectives
Tanks can not single handedly win an objective game unless you are presenting an easier target again and again to waste clones

What will the point of AV be if it can't single handedly take out a tank in under 15 seconds
Av will tip the balance in your favor here is an example
4.5mil moderate tanker < 10mil experienced pilot
4.5mil moderate tanker + proto swarms >/= 10 mil experienced pilot

95% of us agree tanks should go down to 4+ dedicated AV specialists 2+ warrants a retreat and with all mods on be invincible to 1 guy, but want Tanks to be our main counter, we don't want to be invincible contrary to popular belief.

We would like to have fun on a good game with ADV AV or less with no coordination and their whole team not hiding in the redline or being a city heavy map I will go 15-20 that's not enough kills to kill the entire team how much do you hate a tank for killing you once maybe twice perhaps 3 times, Clearly enough to want to instapop them.

You don't want us to run totally insane hard to kill stacked tanks and get 20-30+ kills but what's the difference between us pulling out a good fit and stomping and a stacked proto going getting 20-30+ kills it's frowned upon but certainly possible

95% of us

GOOO AWAY Atiim!!!!

Can you go on dust im on right now if you want to squad good playing w/ you earlier.

im about to go to sleep...

I dont mind your post but your signature. The only reason so many people went AV is due to when uprising started off. Tankers were killing EVERYTHING. People got sick of it. Went AV. Then tankers QQ. Dont get me wrong. The SP spent into tanks and the SP spent into AV is way smaller. Tanks shouldnt walk all over AV. AV shouldnt pop a tank so easy.

I like 5-6 PRO AV nads should pop a tank and no nads should be able to be restocked from nanohives. I really hope 1.7 is what tankers wanted or needed.

I dont mind your post but your signature. The only reason so many people went AV is due to when uprising started off. Tankers were killing EVERYTHING. People got sick of it. Went AV. Then tankers QQ. Dont get me wrong. The SP spent into tanks and the SP spent into AV is way smaller. Tanks shouldnt walk all over AV. AV shouldnt pop a tank so easy.

I like 5-6 PRO AV nads should pop a tank and no nads should be able to be restocked from nanohives. I really hope 1.7 is what tankers wanted or needed.

GOOO AWAY Atiim!!!!

Tank prices are the only issue. Every role in Dust should be profitable. With standard tanks getting popped in 3 volleys of proto swarms, that's impossible.

I look at it this way, but in a dropsuit, should something fire at you from 400 meters away, do 1/3rd of all your HP and you cannot see where they are coming from?

Oh and your cheapest suit costs 600K.

Exactly

I already have >4.5 mil invested into AV.

And for the love of all thing just and holy on this godforsaken planet known as Earth, what teamwork is an HAV pilot required to use?

Answer: None.

So how much teamwork should AV be required to use?

Answer: None.

Teamwork for all, or teamwork for none.

Your "teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me" model does not work well in terms of balance.

Also, tell me how being the best counter to your own class is balanced.

Answer: It's not.

Well if they have a PRO Sniper rifle, then of course.

But I still believe that tanks need a price de-buff. Currently the playstyle is limited to the rich players only, which doesn't seem fair when I and so many other people love tanks but cant afford to always run them.

And on another note, can anyone explain why a PRO turret costs 1mil ISK? It's not even that good when the enemy vehicle is using hardners.

Had one game 2 days ago in which the enemy team had 4 tanks at a time, and my team had only 2, including myself. We also had one guy with swarms, while they had a forge and I think 2 swarms handy.

The tank - tank fights were great, until the enemy team brought out AV, then it just got lame. Infantry cannot understand the rush you get from battling tank to tank, instead of running away like a beat dog when AV starts flying your way.

Tank v tank battles = awesome

Tank v AV = lame and not balanced

You might be happier playing World of Tanks. Unless the Dev's endgame really is vehicles, which is unlikely.

We can also have 3 people in our tank and all three get killed by ONE SL user.

Tank v tank battles = awesome

Tank v AV = lame and not balanced

if those two dudes sitting in your tank were out screening AV instead, none of you would have died.

I'm not sure why you're dropping 700k tanks when you could be brushing up on basic tactics with a 250k one instead.

I already have >4.5 mil invested into AV.

And for the love of all thing just and holy on this godforsaken planet known as Earth, what teamwork is an HAV pilot required to use?

Answer: None.

So how much teamwork should AV be required to use?

Answer: None.

Teamwork for all, or teamwork for none.

Your "teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me" model does not work well in terms of balance.

Also, tell me how being the best counter to your own class is balanced.

Answer: It's not.

I don't understand what everyone's problem with tanks is. I run tanks, over 700K Isk every time. Does your FG or SL cost that much? How about your suit? Remember, not only do we have the tank, we run in suits, as well, a lot of us with repair tools to heal it. We can also have 3 people in our tank and all three get killed by ONE SL user. Really? I'M IN A TANK. It's called a TANK for a reason.

Currently swarms are at least 300m away firing from complete safety while the 2 gunners can do nothing when in the gun seat or out unless they either snipe or i railgun and by the time the sniper finds them i can be dead because in 3seconds there is 3 volleys of proto swarms heading in my direction and more after he has reloaded and i wont see them

I was using this as an example AV would help a 10 mil sp tanker beat a 10 mil sp tanker

We require a second tank for support or infantry calling out AV and trying to take them out I always roll in squads so I have support.

So even though we use teamwork you should not lol

lol are you copying Sprks description of AV so original

A dropsuit is the best counter to a dropsuit why can't a tank be the best couter to a tank. Example Amarr assault > Caldari assault why can't Caldari tank > Gallente tank.

I don't understand what everyone's problem with tanks is. I run tanks, over 700K Isk every time. Does your FG or SL cost that much? How about your suit? Remember, not only do we have the tank, we run in suits, as well, a lot of us with repair tools to heal it. We can also have 3 people in our tank and all three get killed by ONE SL user. Really? I'M IN A TANK. It's called a TANK for a reason.

coordinated tank + av + infantry vs. coordinated tank + av + infantry = mind blowing

tanks would be so boring if they were safe little boxes from which we could afk farm all infantry. (incidentally, why red line rails should die.) av's purpose is to counter tanks, so yes, we're supposed to lose to them.

my squad calls out enemy tank locations including max health, current health, and whether he is aware I'm rolling up on him. they also spot and kill av for me. in return i kill everything they can't (lavs, havs, turrets, and the occasional unwary dropship) and cover the objectives they push. THAT is fun.

You might be happier playing World of Tanks. Unless the Dev's endgame really is vehicles, which is unlikely.