its a video game stop caring about stuff that doesnt even matter. Gun game? how about you just play the game and stop attacking how other people play. I have never in my life seen so much concern for something that has no importance or value.

I'm pretty sure CCP has attached a "value" on whether or not to pull the plug on Dust should player count keep dropping as it has in the last 9 months.

I understand the KBM was added to appeal to pc gamers/eve players, but without doubt if KBM works properly it is many times easier to use than a DS.

With KBM a very large portion of the playerbase needs AA to be competitive.

It sounds like two problems could be eliminated at once, but I'm sure that would garner just as much rage.


For now I will try leaving it off for another week or so to see how it pans out, but I play pubs, I can't imagine gimping myself in FW by leaving it off. Empirically it would be the equivalent of throwing suits away.

Well guys I've hit a turning point. I've turned aim assist off just to see how much it really means. (This week)
And actually it makes such a difference I was quite honestly shocked.

With aim assist:
Weapons automatically track at their predefined ranges
Initial accuracy is the most important, to get a lock.
Firing weapons down range in burst makes them terrifyingly accurate (I'm looking at you AR/SCR)
Scouts go down easy mode as the SMG chews them up no problem
KBM rapid strafers are almost unkillable
KDR 7-10 very common up to high teens on good matches.



Without aim assist:
Weapons seem to still snap onto targets initially
As targets strafe it is very difficult (maybe heavy specific) to turn at a fast enough rate to keep up
Scout dancing makes them easily do at least 1/3 more damage before I kill them.
Hip fire AR in CQC is significantly less effective
KBM rapid strafers are almost unkillable
KDR 2-3 good games up to 5-7

Tl;dr
You realize that you were setting up the gun to do most of the work!
Literally aim-assist trains users to get their reticle on the enemy player and dodge around while AA does the brunt of the aiming.

Use of AA encourages bad gun game

With that said, I am curious, how many people out there have the balls to admit that they use aim assist, and what is a way we can fix this problem to make aim assist help keep you on target without enforcing poor gun skill level?

I understand the KBM was added to appeal to pc gamers/eve players, but without doubt if KBM works properly it is many times easier to use than a DS.

With KBM a very large portion of the playerbase needs AA to be competitive.

It sounds like two problems could be eliminated at once, but I'm sure that would garner just as much rage.


For now I will try leaving it off for another week or so to see how it pans out, but I play pubs, I can't imagine gimping myself in FW by leaving it off. Empirically it would be the equivalent of throwing suits away.

Let's see how these so called AR welders do, if CCP turns off aim-assist for a week. LOL

someone hasn't been doing their research. well done spewing bs.

I'm pretty sure CCP has attached a "value" on whether or not to pull the plug on Dust should player count keep dropping as it has in the last 9 months.

Yes please.

This game is still beta and for CCP to pull the plug would be silly.

The game is moving at a slow pace, the problem is CCP have thrown the book away and started from dito.

Well guys I've hit a turning point. I've turned aim assist off just to see how much it really means. (This week)
And actually it makes such a difference I was quite honestly shocked.

With aim assist:
Weapons automatically track at their predefined ranges
Initial accuracy is the most important, to get a lock.
Firing weapons down range in burst makes them terrifyingly accurate (I'm looking at you AR/SCR)
Scouts go down easy mode as the SMG chews them up no problem
KBM rapid strafers are almost unkillable
KDR 7-10 very common up to high teens on good matches.



Without aim assist:
Weapons seem to still snap onto targets initially
As targets strafe it is very difficult (maybe heavy specific) to turn at a fast enough rate to keep up
Scout dancing makes them easily do at least 1/3 more damage before I kill them.
Hip fire AR in CQC is significantly less effective
KBM rapid strafers are almost unkillable
KDR 2-3 good games up to 5-7

Tl;dr
You realize that you were setting up the gun to do most of the work!
Literally aim-assist trains users to get their reticle on the enemy player and dodge around while AA does the brunt of the aiming.

Use of AA encourages bad gun game

With that said, I am curious, how many people out there have the balls to admit that they use aim assist, and what is a way we can fix this problem to make aim assist help keep you on target without enforcing poor gun skill level?

I dunno i know some DS3 rapid strafers that are almost unkillable aswell and i use a KBM, they do this little left and right, unlike us KBM users who do more circles and bigger movements to get the AA to detach, but each time i see a guy do the quick half step right and left in a 5.00 m/s movement suit, my hit detected craps out and i cannot hit them even with corsshairs aligned over them.

Having said that, i was allot more unkillable before AA was introduced, after AA its like you notice bullets missing you from an opponent as he aims wildly all over the place, then all of a sudden the AA has locked on like a jetfighter and your 7-800 ehp is melted before you can react.

Ive also noticed that when i take the DS3 for a spin, bullets that would miss when i am using KBM are sucked at the target and hit ...HARD...without much input from me...

Now couple this to someone who knows how to shoot in an FPS game and with 3x damage mods, i am down before i can react, ofcourse when i catch someone offguard, they are down aswell before they can react, the diffrence is, i dont have AA nor would i ever want any....

But i do would like to have proper KBM controlls, because if i have to keep competing with an AA ontop of some Skilled DS3 people, idd like to deploy all my skills and not play as if i was a cripple, crippled by those wonderfull KBM controlls we got...

ps: i am already fighting against a loss 50-60% of fine motor controll in my hands due to carpal tunnel, the KBM stuff isnt helping...

You can remove AA when you remove KB/M

Let's see how these so called AR welders do, if CCP turns off aim-assist for a week. LOL

You don't think having a bunch of Aim assisted people barely aiming to kill you... not even having to try to aim better when you move at all..

And that's better for you? and someone with their own ability and Mouse is worse for you?


At some point you gotta look at this objectively.

Welcome to post-Chromosome. Went from a big boy shooter to the same non competitive garbage like CoD and BF. CCP pretty much sold out to attract the 11 year olds.

With that said, I am curious, how many people out there have the balls to admit that they use aim assist, and what is a way we can fix this problem to make aim assist help keep you on target without enforcing poor gun skill level?

You don't think having a bunch of Aim assisted people barely aiming to kill you... not even having to try to aim better when you move at all..

And that's better for you? and someone with their own ability and Mouse is worse for you?


At some point you gotta look at this objectively.

Get over it already AA-whiners. Dust is a console shooter, console shooters have aim assist. The AA in Dust is very subtle compared to that on most mainstream shooters despite having controllers competing with M&KB.

Without AA you are FORCED to by a KB/M to be competitive. Not only that but dust has weak aim assist compared to most console shooters. I use DS3 and I notice very little difference between it on and off unless my target is far away (100M+)

Get over it already AA-whiners. Dust is a console shooter, console shooters have aim assist. The AA in Dust is very subtle compared to that on most mainstream shooters despite having controllers competing with M&KB.

I don't get your obsessions in being being super-1337-hardc0re-no-aim-assist, this isn't MLG.

Perhaps you should reference page 1 with the playercount looking like the 1929 market crash. Oh, fine, here:

http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust

Your serious right? because i think i could max out the characters in a forum post naming off players that where DS3 are DS3 was always DS3 and still kicked the **** out of KBM players like it was a joke in Chromosome.

These players couldn't even tell you the difference between KBM and DS3... it didn't matter.. I'll bet many of the players you think are KBM are and have always been DS3 users.

It wasn't like this in chromosome in corporation battles, It wasn't like this in Uprising 1.0 with PC 1.1,1.2,1.3.... So i don't get where you think the only way you could compete was with a KBM because this isn't even remotely true 90% of the players where DS3 and 89% of them couldn't guess 50% accurately what control interface a Merc uses...

Straight up propaganda for a feature that has ruined DUST.