With the oncoming penalty to shields will this encourage use of the Shield Regulator modules in lowslots on shield suits while discouraging armor suits to use shields at all with their already low shield regain stats?


As of before it really wasn't too much of a deal but if these modules over power the penalty and thus become a great / necessary support module Dual tanking could be a thing of the past (or at least slow it down).

Even if a Caldari suit wants to put on one extra plate for defense (no problem with that) this might encourage use of other modules in the lowslots for Caldari units such as range enhancement (total skills and one complex and you can see +20 meters, which is very nice believe it or not), code breakers, Profile dampers Etc.

If this were the case using these eWarfare type modules in Lowslots along with keeping your distance from the Gallente, which is now possible thanks to the introduction of the Caldari Rail Rifle, then DUST players can finally experience the Caldari play-style (which is in no way CQC oriented at all) .

If things turn out right in a perfect world we will now see Caldari suits playing their unique play style while armor being discouraged to fit shields entirely.



As a former EVE player and I don't believe in dual tanking outside of Minmatar vessels so I'd be glad if this killed Dual tanking and added the introduction of Racial play-styles.


but alas, we don't live in a perfect world.

Yep, when you die to a squad of rail riflers from the direction that you "SWEAR YOU JUST F*@#$ING SCANNED!!" That will be when you will start to reconsider your bias against dampeners.

Well I guess no more shield tankers hacking spawn points, we need to stay far away from places CQC might happen so we can adhere to "our playstyle". Have fun with that lmfao.

Considering it takes 1 complex and 1 enhanced dampener to keep assault fits under advanced scanners, I doubt it will be an issue. Take note, even two Complex dampeners will not get you under proto scanners, not on assault.

Amarr dropsuits are meant to dual tank. I don't care how ships are in EVE, but this is how it is in Dust 514.

With the oncoming penalty to shields will this encourage use of the Shield Regulator modules in lowslots on shield suits while discouraging armor suits to use shields at all with their already low shield regain stats?


As of before it really wasn't too much of a deal but if these modules over power the penalty and thus become a great / necessary support module Dual tanking could be a thing of the past (or at least slow it down).

Even if a Caldari suit wants to put on one extra plate for defense (no problem with that) this might encourage use of other modules in the lowslots for Caldari units such as range enhancement (total skills and one complex and you can see +20 meters, which is very nice believe it or not), code breakers, Profile dampers Etc.

If this were the case using these eWarfare type modules in Lowslots along with keeping your distance from the Gallente, which is now possible thanks to the introduction of the Caldari Rail Rifle, then DUST players can finally experience the Caldari play-style (which is in no way CQC oriented at all) .

If things turn out right in a perfect world we will now see Caldari suits playing their unique play style while armor being discouraged to fit shields entirely.



As a former EVE player and I don't believe in dual tanking outside of Minmatar vessels so I'd be glad if this killed Dual tanking and added the introduction of Racial play-styles.


but alas, we don't live in a perfect world.

Considering it takes 1 complex and 1 enhanced dampener to keep assault fits under advanced scanners, I doubt it will be an issue. Take note, even two Complex dampeners will not get you under proto scanners, not on assault.

1 complex gets me under advanced on my logi.

Well I guess no more shield tankers hacking spawn points, we need to stay far away from places CQC might happen so we can adhere to "our playstyle". Have fun with that lmfao.

This is a bit of my concern. CCP has been building additional maps that force CQC action (which isn't bad BTW) but that pretty much puts shield tankers in a tough spot.

Again...maybe the full rifle suite with different ranges will even this out. This might make things a bit sportier in the urban complexes where range starts to not matter as much.

I do hope that the introduction of the different weapons will change some things up and get to the playstyles you are talking about...not convinced that's going to happen though.

Kirk, I see your points and you are taking a pretty good view on this. I think the concern that is out there (at least mine) is that the abilty to apply damage far outstrips defensive measures right now and I think we universally recognize that shield tanking was shakier than armor tanking to start with.

I actually do use the peek-a-boo style you are describing and routinely use regulators and engergizers but that doesn't stop the fraction of a second tanking damage that kills you or strips you down to 10% armor before you can get to cover. I do hope that the introduction of the different weapons will change some things up and get to the playstyles you are talking about...not convinced that's going to happen though.

We will still dual tank. its very good for defensive players but finally very bad for run n gun rambo filth. Also whatever happened to fittings suits however way you wish. Thats one of dust 514s selling points. Im guessing they lied to our faces?

This is a bit of my concern. CCP has been building additional maps that force CQC action (which isn't bad BTW) but that pretty much puts shield tankers in a tough spot.

o,o there is an assault variant of the Rail RIfle and I'm to believe that the Rail Rifle might work in CQC as well as a Tac does when in the right hands.

Any assault suit running a proto scanner is going to have a crap tank. Any logi running a proto scanner will be obvious. But people should also understand how to locate the scanners on the enemy team. The PRO scanners only last 5 seconds, and if you hunt them you cripple the enemy. Unless their PRO scanner is a scout, you can exploit this weakness fairly easily with your own scanning.

Yes the new Research facility was CQC oriented but the new environment that came with it encouraged and had a mix of both playstyles.

Which it did make sense since the Last new Map additions were Gallente Themed so CQC was expected.

Here's hoping that the Caldari Production facility will be more streamlined and open like the industrial side of a Neo-City.

Yes the new Research facility was CQC oriented but the new environment that came with it encouraged and had a mix of both playstyles.

Which it did make sense since the Last new Map additions were Gallente Themed so CQC was expected.

Here's hoping that the Caldari Production facility will be more streamlined and open like the industrial sector of a Neo-City.


If the production Facility is anything like the places in these two dust videos then the Caldari are goin to have a good time
and so will everyone else of course.

Video one

Video two

You assume that most people with scanners run solo. Not the case.

Ever heard of clearing out an area first?
Ever heard of Objectives that are outside?
Ever heard of approaching a situation tactically?


Let me spell it out for you slowly and simply worded so you can understand it.

Somethings are better at close range, others are better at long range but you can still operate outside of your ideal environment.
Sometimes you will be at a disadvantage and you have to rely on intelligence to overcome that sometimes you have an advantage and still lose.

With the oncoming penalty to shields will this encourage use of the Shield Regulator modules in lowslots on shield suits while discouraging armor suits to use shields at all with their already low shield regain stats?


As of before it really wasn't too much of a deal but if these modules over power the penalty and thus become a great / necessary support module Dual tanking could be a thing of the past (or at least slow it down).

Even if a Caldari suit wants to put on one extra plate for defense (no problem with that) this might encourage use of other modules in the lowslots for Caldari units such as range enhancement (total skills and one complex and you can see +20 meters, which is very nice believe it or not), code breakers, Profile dampers Etc.

If this were the case using these eWarfare type modules in Lowslots along with keeping your distance from the Gallente, which is now possible thanks to the introduction of the Caldari Rail Rifle, then DUST players can finally experience the Caldari play-style (which is in no way CQC oriented at all) .

If things turn out right in a perfect world we will now see Caldari suits playing their unique play style while armor being discouraged to fit shields entirely.

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Addition:
If the production Facility is anything like the places in these two dust videos then the Caldari are goin to have a good time
and so will everyone else of course.

Video one

Video two

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As a former EVE player and I don't believe in dual tanking outside of Minmatar vessels so I'd be glad if this killed Dual tanking and added the introduction of Racial play-styles.


but alas, we don't live in a perfect world.

Minmatar needs more CPU.

We will still dual tank. its very good for defensive players but finally very bad for run n gun rambo filth. Also whatever happened to fittings suits however way you wish. Thats one of dust 514s selling points. Im guessing they lied to our faces?

They have the second highest CPU in the game stop complaining and gg scrub

Yeah, I'm not seeing an issue here.

I have max skills and an enhanced gets me under ADV scanners

Passive skills by itself at level 5 helps me avoid Basic Scanners without using a module.


My only problem with scanners is the 360 scan and the insane range on all of them.

Ever heard of clearing out an area first?
Ever heard of Objectives that are outside?
Ever heard of approaching a situation tactically?


Let me spell it out for you slowly and simply worded so you can understand it.

Somethings are better at close range, others are better at long range but you can still operate outside of your ideal environment.
Sometimes you will be at a disadvantage and you have to rely on intelligence to overcome that sometimes you have an advantage and still lose.