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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.12.13 05:13:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote: I honestly expect 95% of all modern FPS players who try DUST to quit it. It's not a game designed for everybody, and i can understand peeps who experience the savage pounding DUST can give them and find it deeply unpleasant and ego-crushing.
But i love it. The loss, the frustration, the rage, the hoplessness DUST can evoke are a filter, and those who survive, adapt and excel in the face of this brutality are the players i want as my enemies and allies.
The new players who have joined us in recent months have faced a genuine trial by fire. Those who have stayed are worthy of respect, and if and when they destroy me on the battlefield i will know that although i fell, i fell to a warrior. And if the battle goes the other way and i lay him low, well the triumph is all the sweeter.
This.
Hope you tough it out.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
For the State!!
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Imp Smash
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
194
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Posted - 2013.12.13 06:07:00 -
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Howdy op. I'm sorry but I must respectfully disagree with everything you posted. At the same time understand I'm not trying to discourage you from doing so. If that's the way you feel cool by me. I just don't find it that bad.
VetHint: kill conditions are not inconsistent. Weapons are strong or weak to various ranges, target types, and hit location. There is a pretty good table of all the guns, damage, fire times, target strengths and weaknesses, and ranges out there. Released by CCP. It's worth a read! |
Valmorgan Aubaris
Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate
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Posted - 2013.12.13 06:47:00 -
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Villistan, I undertand what you're saying, and can even agree wholeheartedly on many of the points, especially #4. However, I'm an EVE player like yourself for 10 years now (with some breaks because of IRL situations), my opinion hasn;t changed very much from the day I downloaded DUST because I saw the endgame of how they want to integrate the wto games , and I wanted to be in a position to be well situated when the day finally comes. it has come a long way in that reguard. I have over 6 mill SP in DUST and still have a hard time maintaining a even fairly decent kill ratio.
I actually see it more as an EVE vs. DUST situation than a faction vs. faction one at this point. The two games attract and develop such amazingly different cultures and mentalities it amazes me.
Come join us.
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Let's gank Scotty.
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ratamaq doc
Edge Regiment
237
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Posted - 2013.12.13 13:56:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:vilstan wrote:I know how to do all these things in other FPS. I would have thought the skills would translate here once you learn the controls. But they are not. I always feel like I'm fighting through a sea of molasses in this game. Either I'm missing something major or something else is up.
I'm not an alt. Why would I be an alt? Is alt posting a thing everyone is paranoid about here?
I'm a new player. So far this game is the must unpleasant gaming experience I've had in a long time. Take it or leave it. I guess if you want to chase all feedback out with 'you're just an alt!' you can enjoy your ****** game sinking into mediocrity and oblivion. Tbh i honestly don't understand the trouble you're having. I picked up a controller for the first time in my life just over a year ago when i bought a PS3 for DUST. I'm doing ok, having fun and holding my own. This game has been dumbed down a lot from EVE. Apart from figuring out the skill tree and suit fitting, for now it's just another lobby fps where bloodthirsty starship pilots from another game get killmails ;) That will be changing in big ways in the near future, which is the whole reason many of us are sticking around. As far as welcoming new players, much more could be done for the NPE, and the sooner the better. But in terms of making the game easier and more forgiving in order to attract a broader player base, absolutely not. I honestly expect 95% of all modern FPS players who try DUST to quit it. It's not a game designed for everybody, and i can understand peeps who experience the savage pounding DUST can give them and find it deeply unpleasant and ego-crushing. But i love it. The loss, the frustration, the rage, the hoplessness DUST can evoke are a filter, and those who survive, adapt and excel in the face of this brutality are the players i want as my enemies and allies. The new players who have joined us in recent months have faced a genuine trial by fire. Those who have stayed are worthy of respect, and if and when they destroy me on the battlefield i will know that although i fell, i fell to a warrior. And if the battle goes the other way and i lay him low, well the triumph is all the sweeter.
If this forum had a 'best-of" feature, I would submit this post. Well said, this is why I play.
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ratamaq doc
Edge Regiment
238
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Posted - 2013.12.13 14:00:00 -
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Even if OP is an alt, which is believable given the language he is using, he is doing a great job of informing and reminding us of what it was like to be new in a language we understand now. At a minimum, the people following this thread will be better at remembering what it was like as a new player, and more effectively answering their questions.
Good job OP either way.
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dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2134
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Posted - 2013.12.13 14:03:00 -
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Not reading all this blurf.
OP get in a real corp, get on comms.
Hail Satan
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
1355
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Posted - 2013.12.13 14:19:00 -
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ratamaq doc wrote:Even if OP is an alt, which is believable given the language he is using, he is doing a great job of informing and reminding us of what it was like to be new in a language we understand now. At a minimum, the people following this thread will be better at remembering what it was like as a new player, and more effectively answering their questions.
Good job OP either way. Agreed.
To keep it all real, i run an alt who doesn't get passive sp and has no boosters.
Decided to do this to try out all the different racial weapons/suits i'd never put serious effort into. I had a big eye-opening when at about 650k sp my female Ammarian alt went 19-0 with the standard scrambler rifle at lvl 2
But don't let anybody tell you it's OP. They don't know what they're talking about.
I support SP rollover.
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ratamaq doc
Edge Regiment
238
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Posted - 2013.12.13 14:46:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:ratamaq doc wrote:Even if OP is an alt, which is believable given the language he is using, he is doing a great job of informing and reminding us of what it was like to be new in a language we understand now. At a minimum, the people following this thread will be better at remembering what it was like as a new player, and more effectively answering their questions.
Good job OP either way. Agreed. To keep it all real, i run an alt who doesn't get passive sp and has no boosters. Decided to do this to try out all the different racial weapons/suits i'd never put serious effort into. I had a big eye-opening when at about 650k sp my female Ammarian alt went 19-0 with the standard scrambler rifle at lvl 2 But don't let anybody tell you it's OP. They don't know what they're talking about.
Yea I have mixed opinions on the ScR. It's my weapon of choice because it is perfect for my play style. My background is with twitch shooters, and the sub catagory of twitch shooter style was high powered simi auto weapons. The mix is that this weapon in the hands of the right user is powerful, but only in the hands of the right user. a FPS novice, or even a skilled spray and pray player won't do well with it. the heat build up is a major draw back, Even with max skills in the weapon I still don't feel comforable with it without a side arm. But the advantages of the weapon outside of it's power and range are great also, such as next to never running out of ammo. and not needing to reload after 1 or 2 kills. These are bigger advantages than people realize I think. Kill wise, I do better in my STD ammar logi with a STD Scr than I do in my proto mini. with an ADV AR.
The other problem is not knowing who you are engaging. Most ScR users I come up against don't use the rifle well, but when I do go up against someone who does, I have to take note of that player and engage them differently for the rest of the game.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
KOBAYASHI MARU PROJECT
198
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:10:00 -
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Aria Gomes wrote:Plus 1 for spawn camping. Just happened to me in FW. Someone put an uplink down, map looked safe to deploy there. Deployed and there was a heavy and some other people just mowing us down. Pissed me off so bad that I had to turn the game off. All of the FW matches I've played, I've never dealt with that in there. FW had an invisible line of respect, but after that.... I might just stay away from it and go play with the blues in pub matches.
Spawn Killing is like my pet peeve. I hate when people on my team do it and vice versa. I remember one pub, me and this dude were hacking the CRU and our team mate started shooting at us to stop hacking it. Like wtf? Why spawn kill?
It lost it's respect when they turned on 1.7 and the FF also , I'm not playing either seeing as how it doesn't matter that I use cheaper gear if when I die they take the Prototype gear from me .
I have it but don't use it because my skills are not well rounded and it doesn't make since to use it with nothing to back it up with . I'm just now actually acquiring other prototype gear so now I can feel somewhat comfortable using it . Most who are not new have gotten to enjoy their prototype experience where as those who are new and just because they have it and don't jump right into a match with it , are being punished for having some type of a plan and would like to be more well rounded .
I for one don't care about FW and given the same reasons that you have stated , like not having a TRUE impact as well as the pilfering of my best items that I don't even use and just acquired the skill points to receive it , so that means someone gets to use something that I haven't and the probably will use that like right now seeing as how so many people have been at this for some time now . Where I get things that I have to still work for to use , which I don't have a problem working but I do have a problem with something not being fair .
" BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
KOBAYASHI MARU PROJECT
198
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:22:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:Not reading all this blurf.
OP get in a real corp, get on comms.
This is no offence to you but , why do people keep saying , " join a corp " ???
That just masks the problem and has NOTHING to do with the real problems of this game or what the OP has written .
What does joining a corp have to do with the TTK issues , rendering , lagging , unbalancing , high damage output of most of the weapons besides the HMG , tanks hydroplaning , same character looks and no noticeable distinction between the races while on the battlefield , playing in a game with no since of direction and with no explanation of what role that I just played or the changes of the outcome that was involved as well as many more issues ???
A corp can not solve ANY of that .
" BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
1303
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:28:00 -
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FPS EXP ROLLS OVER. IN EVERY FPS GAME. The reason, and this is BIG... that dust is refused to sit in the FPS table has to do with that. Dust is just not a good FPS game. But it comes with little surprised as it's CCP first FPS game.
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Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
836
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:13:00 -
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If I started out playing at this time without boosters, I would probably delete the game in a few days. Battle academy is still a joke (lol 1200 WP limit) and Logi dropsuits are still easy mode.
CCP, promoting exploits with every update
LOL Commando
LOL Plasma Cannon
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vilstan
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:24:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:vilstan wrote:Calling my current skillset mediocre is being far too kind. They are abysmally bad.
My issue is that I can't really tell what I'm doing wrong, which makes it hard to improve. Part of that is that I feel the TTK is quite low. The less time you have to analyze what you did wrong, the harder it is to learn from it. I mean if you do something obvious like stay in the same bit of cover too long and get flushed out by a grenade or decide to go face to face with a heavy with an LMG, the lessons are immediately and painfully apparent.
But this game has a lot of 'keel over dead instantly' moments and those are always hard to learn from.
Also I was never in any Academy of any kind. I created this account something like 8 months ago and played one game then my PS3 got the YLOD the next day. Is it something you can repeat? Math says that there's someone even worse than you in skills. Maybe you're being out in the open too much? Maybe you're just a little over zealous or chasing down kills? Are you aiming for headshots? Do you employ figure 8 movements when in 1 on 1 battles?
I have not been employing figure 8 movements, instead trying erratic side to side strafing, but I can see how that would help from flankers, given the wide open nature of the maps. Thanks for the tip.
I try not to sit around in the open. That's always a good way to die. If I have to cross the open I sprint and try to use whatever tiny bits of cover are out there to hopefully shield myself from expected sniper fire.
I'm just skilling for basic suit stuff at the moment. Electronics, CPU, etc, things that will help me in any fitting I decide to use. This is the best way to go for new players in EVE, figured it would also be the best idea here.
I usually play a caldari medic. I thought medic was a good choice, because no matter how terrible my 1 on 1 skills are, I could revive dead teammates, which seems important because I believe it saves them the $$ from having to redeploy and also prevents your clone reserves from depleting. Plus it helps sustain pushes on occupied points.
I just have shields so I can move faster, no armor plates. I spend enough time in the game laboriously running to and fro I see no reason to add to it :D I did try an Amarr heavy with armor plates buckled to every square inch of his body, and had something like 3x to 4x the effective EHP, but I died in just about the same tenths of a second time as before, so I don't think you can sit there and tank here like you can in EVE. I think no matter what you are you have to stay mobile and avoid hits and unfavorable engagements.
I've also been getting the first level in various things to unlock different weaopns/equipment so I can try it out (nanohives, rail rifles, etc) |
Ninja Troll
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Posted - 2013.12.29 21:33:00 -
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vilstan wrote: ... I feel this game really needs to work to draw new players in (get them hooked). Right now I just don't see this competing over any of the other FPS options out there for anyone who isn't already heavily invested in the EVE universe. Part of this comes from the lack of impact you feel you are making, but also ...what is your motivation? You're not defending your home world or wiping out your ancient rivals. Why are you fighting? To earn money? Meh. I feel like the factional war fare aspect has a chance to be the same kind of long term conflict that PS2 has, but it's so not there yet. Great review. I've been playing DUST for less than a month and agree with your points. I only recently heard of PlanetSide, so might check it out. I mainly started DUST to get ready for DESTINY, it's beta is in the summer. DUST does have a lot of potential, but whether CCP will fulfill it is still unknown.
[Request] Infantry Only Mode or Option - No Vehicles
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