DUST Search - To CCP Wolfman: Triple Shotgun Damage

Shotty GoBang wrote:

Proto Shotgun
OHKs
Max-HP Proto Logi

(hear me out)

You're fine one second ... all clear ... then BLAMO!
INSTA-KILLED without the slightest warning. WTF MAN!?
Sounds terrible, yes?

But once the tears have passed, you come to embrace it.
You begin to learn from each error and weight every action.
Your situational awareness is honed; you watch your back, reflexes at the ready.
Such is way of the Scout. Constantly invigorating. Constantly evolving.

I fear my high-eHP comrades are missing out on an essential Combat experience.
My Logi friends are suffering a distinct lack of "OH CRAP WHAT JUST HAPPENED".

Enter: Solution!
Keep the Shotgun's 5 meter range (maybe nerf it a meter, so it won't be OP).
But boost its max damage potential from 500 to 1,500.

Get that blood flowing!
Get those senses honed!

And for the love of Isk, get that Shotgunner before he gets into range!!!

Edits / Concessions (References):
* Shotgun pellets bounce off of Armor for zero damage. (Post #2)
* 1,500 DMG at 3 meters, 500 at 5 meters, 0 at 10 meters. (Post #20)
* Willing to settle for 1,500 damage as "back-stab" bonus. (Post #18)
* Willing to personally buy Dexter307 a tank to hide in. (Post #12)

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Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2515	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:45:00 - [1] - Quote Proto Shotgun OHKs Max-HP Proto Logi Hear me out ... then make it so :-) You're fine one second ... all clear ... then BLAMO! INSTA-KILLED without the slightest warning. WTF MAN!? Sounds terrible, yes? But once the tears have passed, you come to embrace it. You begin to learn from each error and weight every action. Your situational awareness is honed; you watch your back, reflexes at the ready. Such is the life of the Scout. Constantly invigorating. I fear our high-eHP comrades are missing out on an essential Combat experience. My Logi friends are suffering a distinct lack of "OH CRAP WHAT JUST HAPPENED". They'll eventually become bored from lack of stimuli. No one likes a boring shooter. Enter: Solution! Keep the Shotgun's 5 meter range (so it won't be OP). But boost its max damage potential from 500 to 1,500. This'll wake 'em up and keep things moving! Edit: Shotgun pellets must bounce off of Armor.
Ralden Caster Omega Elite Mercs INC. 0	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:47:00 - [2] - Quote You trying to take down a tank with that shotgun?
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2516	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:49:00 - [3] - Quote Ralden Caster wrote: You trying to take down a tank with that shotgun? Fixed! See edit.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3210	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:50:00 - [4] - Quote Quote: you come to embrace it. You begin to learn from each error and weight every action. Your situational awareness is honed; you watch your back, reflexes at the ready Maybe a sane, average human being would do that. Nope in the blueberries mind, you come to the forums and QQ about whatever that killed you and cry that it's OP and needs a nerf. Because it's never your fault or someone bested you when it comes to this game, no way, it's always someone else's fault you died. [/rant] Sorry, when I saw that I lost it, I wish more people had that attitude though.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 643	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:58:00 - [5] - Quote This is like making the AR do 100 damage a bullet or the HMG 60 a bullet No
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 116	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:00:00 - [6] - Quote As much as I'd love to shove my CreoDron up some AR/ScR carrying Gal Logi ass, lets just step back and take a nice deep breath, Shotty. The shotgun could use a damage increase, but I think it needs a bit more balanced approach. Something like 800 max w/o damage mods for the CreoDron Shotgun and a slower damage dropoff, enough for about 3-5m more effective range.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2517	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:04:00 - [7] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: As much as I'd love to shove my CreoDron up some AR/ScR carrying Gal Logi ass, lets just step back and take a nice deep breath, Shotty. The shotgun could use a damage increase, but I think it needs a bit more balanced approach. Something like 800 max w/o damage mods for the CreoDron Shotgun and a slower damage dropoff, enough for about 3-5m more effective range. We've already tried the reasonable approach. I like this way better. Shotgun gets within 5 meters, you lose. (Unless you have a shotgun and hit him first). Seriously, 3-5 seconds of blasting at a MedFrame? That's boring for everyone. And ridiculous. We're missing an opportunity here to make this Shooter more exciting!
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 788	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:11:00 - [8] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: This is like making the AR do 100 damage a bullet or the HMG 60 a bullet No That's not really a fair comparison. AR or HMG have full auto fire, a ROF between 750 - 2000 RPM, and drastically more range than the shotgun. Additionally, they have more than 8 rounds in the magazine.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 116	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:14:00 - [9] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Shutter Fly wrote: As much as I'd love to shove my CreoDron up some AR/ScR carrying Gal Logi ass, lets just step back and take a nice deep breath, Shotty. The shotgun could use a damage increase, but I think it needs a bit more balanced approach. Something like 800 max w/o damage mods for the CreoDron Shotgun and a slower damage dropoff, enough for about 3-5m more effective range. We tried the reasonable approach a month or six back. I like this way better. It makes more sense. Shotgun gets within 5 meters, you lose. (Unless you have a shotgun and hit him first). Seriously, 3-5 seconds of blasting at a MedFrame? That's plain boring and ridiculous for everyone. We're missing out an opportunity here ... An opportunity to make this Shooter more exciting! Seriously, think about it! Stop feeding me your honeyed tales of fantasy. They just make it all the harder to bear the reality EDIT: updated to your final post
DEFENDEROF theknight The Exemplars Top Men. 6	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:15:00 - [10] - Quote I agree with shotty. I've had to blast a amarr med frame 4 times IN THE BACK with a Creodron.. It's getting ridiculous Must get more milk!!!

Morathi III Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:15:00 - [11] - Quote I miss chromosome soddenly
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2517	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:17:00 - [12] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: This is like making the AR do 100 damage a bullet or the HMG 60 a bullet No Wrong! We're talking 5 meters, bro. That's like five steps walking. Or a single hop. Anything out of 5 meters, shotguns shootin' bubbles and glitter. But within 5 meters, CARNAGE! If you can't hang with that, climb in a tank.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 117	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:20:00 - [13] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Dexter307 wrote: This is like making the AR do 100 damage a bullet or the HMG 60 a bullet No Wrong! We're talking 5 meters, bro. That's like five steps walking. Or a single hop. Anything out of 5 meters, shotguns shootin' bubbles and glitter. But within 5 meters, CARNAGE! If you can't hang with that, climb in a tank. Get on it CCP
Morathi III Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:20:00 - [14] - Quote DEFENDEROF theknight wrote: I agree with shotty. I've had to blast a amarr med frame 4 times IN THE BACK with a Creodron.. It's getting ridiculous But One SCR charged shot with an hip fire aim assist shot kill you.... And the guy that killed you call himself skilled OF COURSE!!!!
Vesperz D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 16	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:20:00 - [15] - Quote +1 I give this my full support. An assassin's blade isn't seen nor heard, it is felt.
ratamaq doc Edge Regiment 193	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:21:00 - [16] - Quote I'm sure the heavies would love this idea.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2518	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:23:00 - [17] - Quote Morathi III wrote: I miss chromosome soddenly Morathi remembers! Wasn't long ago when a shotgunner behind you meant certain DOOM! Not 2 warning shots! Not even 1 warning shot! Remember the Breach!? Remember Chromosome, Brothers!?
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2518	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:25:00 - [18] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: I'm sure the heavies would love this idea. Heavies are used to dying when a shotgunner sneaks up behind 'em. Guess we could make this 3x damage multiplier a "back-stab" bonus ... To prevent folks from rushing headlong at Heavies ... I could get behind that.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1067	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:26:00 - [19] - Quote Make the optimal range 2 meters and you've got yourself a deal. If the shotgun becomes a OHK for any dropsuit it needs to only function as complete surprise weapon. Giving it a 5m optimal, or even a 4m one, would make it stupidly powerful. Limiting the optimal range to two meters with an effective of 8m would make it a very interesting user for both the crazy shotgunner and his/her poor prey. Fun > Realism
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2518	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:27:00 - [20] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Make the optimal range 2 meters and you've got yourself a deal. If the shotgun becomes a OHK for any dropsuit it needs to only function as complete surprise weapon. Giving it a 5m optimal, or even a 4m one, would make it stupidly powerful. Limiting the optimal range to two meters with an effective of 8m would make it a very interesting user for both the crazy shotgunner and his/her poor prey. Done. I'll take it. 1,500 damage at 3 meters. 500 damage at 5 meters. 0 damage at 10 meters.

Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1069	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:32:00 - [21] - Quote Like given. Fun > Realism
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2525	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:38:00 - [22] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Like given. Edited OP (just in case Wolfman actually looks at it ... )
Toby Flenderson research lab 126	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:41:00 - [23] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: This is like making the AR do 100 damage a bullet or the HMG 60 a bullet No It's not though. The whole point is that it could only be done at 4-5 meters. This would force people to be much more aware of their surroundings and move more tactically. The AR hits from everywhere, and the HMG is similar. The shotgun can only get you if you let it get you. This is the point I believe: increase situational awareness. I started using scouts more effectively once I realized this was the key to success. You'd be surprised what you can do with those suits if you pay more attention to what's going on around you.
RECON BY FIRE Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 313	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:41:00 - [24] - Quote No, invulnerable decloaking shotgunners is bullshit enough as it is without yall doing more damage. You already 2 hit me before I can react, so kiss my ass. You motherfuckers are just skill-less pussies who cry because you cant aim. Learn to aim and consistently 2hko. Nothing is wrong with the shotgun after the hit detection fixes. If you cant kill now youre just bad. Stuff....?
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2525	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:42:00 - [25] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: TEARS LOL! Plus 1 for you, good sir! We don't even have Racial Variants after 6 months! We won't have Cloaks for years!! What the heck are you talking about, dude!?
Morathi III Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:43:00 - [26] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Morathi III wrote: I miss chromosome soddenly Morathi remembers! Wasn't long ago when a shotgunner behind you meant certain DOOM! Not 2 warning shots! Not even 1 warning shot! Remember the Breach!? Remember Chromosome, Brothers!? IF IREMEMBER??? Any day i played dust since uprising i hoped i play chrome , not uprising with this ****** shotgun But know we are under Scotty rule and here his the tough of scotty about shotgun : http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4tj8zn3X0xA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D4tj8zn3X0xA
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 31	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:43:00 - [27] - Quote One I can do this by sneaking up behind someone and dropping an RE. Two Tch Tch Remote Explosives Shotty GoBang would be a most excellent kill feed. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Toby Flenderson research lab 126	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:45:00 - [28] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: No, invulnerable decloaking shotgunners is bullshit enough as it is without yall doing more damage. You already 2 hit me before I can react, so kiss my ass. You motherfuckers are just skill-less pussies who cry because you cant aim. Learn to aim and consistently 2hko. Nothing is wrong with the shotgun after the hit detection fixes. If you cant kill now youre just bad. Maybe add a reaction time buff for this guy ^^^
RECON BY FIRE Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 313	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:45:00 - [29] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: TEARS LOL! Plus 1 for you, good sir! We don't even have Racial Variants after 6 months! We won't have Cloaks for years!! What the heck are you talking about, dude!? You can call it what you want to feel better about yourself, but if youre still bitchin then youre simply a skill-less *****. I will agree with you though, Breach in Chrome was fun as hell. You think youre safe in proto? BREACH MOTHAFUCKA! Stuff....?
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 400	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:46:00 - [30] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Proto Shotgun OHKs Max-HP Proto Logi (hear me out) You're fine one second ... all clear ... then BLAMO! INSTA-KILLED without the slightest warning. WTF MAN!? Sounds terrible, yes? But once the tears have passed, you come to embrace it. You begin to learn from each error and weight every action. Your situational awareness is honed; you watch your back, reflexes at the ready. Such is way of the Scout. Constantly invigorating. Constantly evolving. I fear my high-eHP comrades are missing out on an essential Combat experience. My Logi friends are suffering a distinct lack of "OH CRAP WHAT JUST HAPPENED". Enter: Solution! Keep the Shotgun's 5 meter range (maybe nerf it a meter, so it won't be OP). But boost its max damage potential from 500 to 1,500. Get that blood flowing! Get those senses honed! And for the love of Isk, get that Shotgunner before he gets into range!!! Edits / Concessions (References): * Shotgun pellets bounce off of Armor for zero damage. (Post #2) * 1,500 DMG at 3 meters, 500 at 5 meters, 0 at 10 meters. (Post #20) * Willing to settle for 1,500 damage as "back-stab" bonus. (Post #18) * Willing to personally buy Dexter307 a tank to hide in. (Post #12) in my honest opinion no light weapon should be able to OHK a heavy frame Sorta defeats the purpose of spending the extra skill points to get into a heavy frame.



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