Officer shotgun anyone?

But seriously the niche weapons are being outclassed by their 'jack of all trades' counterparts, MD, Shottys, and LRs all need work.

I approve, but only if the shotgun is 3 shots per clip with a max ammo of 18.

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You're fine one second ... all clear ... then BLAMO!
INSTA-KILLED without the slightest warning. WTF MAN!?
Sounds terrible, yes?

But once the tears have passed, you come to embrace it.
You begin to learn from each error and weight every action.
Your situational awareness is honed; you watch your back, reflexes at the ready.

Such is way of the Scout. Always invigorating. Constantly evolving.

I fear my high-eHP comrades are missing out on an essential Combat experience.
Myriad Med-Frames are suffering from a distinct lack of "OH CRAP WHAT JUST HAPPENED".

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Enter: Solution!
Keep the Shotgun's 5 meter range (maybe nerf it a meter, so it won't be OP).
But boost its max damage potential from 500 to 1,500.

Get that blood flowing!
Get those senses honed!
And for the love of Isk, get that Shotgunner before he gets into range!!!



Edits / Concessions (References):
* Shotgun pellets bounce off of Armor for zero damage. (Post #2)
* 1,500 DMG at 3 meters, 500 at 5 meters, 0 at 10 meters. (Post #20)
* Willing to settle for 1,500 damage as "back-stab" bonus. (Post #18)
* Willing to personally buy Dexter307 a tank to hide in. (Post #12)
* Willing to consider reasonable adjustments to ammo capacity. (Post #38)
* Assumes equitable buff to Nova Knives.

'K man.

I'm giving you a +1 for the sheer balls of this post.

Hell, it almost has three balls.

Big ones.


Munch

Officer shotgun anyone?

But seriously the niche weapons are being outclassed by their 'jack of all trades' counterparts, MD, Shottys, and LRs all need work.

---

You're fine one second ... all clear ... then BLAMO!
INSTA-KILLED without the slightest warning. WTF MAN!?
Sounds terrible, yes?

But once the tears have passed, you come to embrace it.
You begin to learn from each error and weight every action.
Your situational awareness is honed; you watch your back, reflexes at the ready.

Such is way of the Scout. Always invigorating. Constantly evolving.

I fear my high-eHP comrades are missing out on an essential Combat experience.
Myriad Med-Frames are suffering from a distinct lack of "OH CRAP WHAT JUST HAPPENED".

---

Enter: Solution!
Keep the Shotgun's 5 meter range (maybe nerf it a meter, so it won't be OP).
But boost its max damage potential from 500 to 1,500.

Get that blood flowing!
Get those senses honed!
And for the love of Isk, get that Shotgunner before he gets into range!!!



Edits / Concessions (References):
* Shotgun pellets bounce off of Armor for zero damage. (Post #2)
* 1,500 DMG at 3 meters, 500 at 5 meters, 0 at 10 meters. (Post #20)
* Willing to settle for 1,500 damage as "back-stab" bonus. (Post #18)
* Willing to personally buy Dexter307 a tank to hide in. (Post #12)
* Willing to consider reasonable adjustments to ammo capacity. (Post #38)
* Assumes equitable buff to Nova Knives.

This shotgun already excists, its the Breach, it can potentially OHK everything....

With only 2 rounds in the Mag, it will also need the shotgun user to be aware of his suroundings aswell, instead of heaving 6 OHK rounds and just plowing into a group of berries, with can potentially lead to a full out murdered squad in seconds. I know i would and no people would have a snowballs chance in hell to stop me...that would be 6 shots and 6 dead.

So instead of asking for shotguns be changed, use the Breach, when i used it before the respec i let roll tears like waterfalls, get good at it because it does not come with a security blanket...and missing a single round means, you die...




1) shotgun pellets can already travel trough an engine block, i cant see the logic of them bouncing off Armor
2) shotguns in RL can kill up to 30-50m out, having a sci-fi shotgun that shoots as far as i can cough someone to death sounds really unrealistic.
3) Basically someone on your team keeps everyone scanned, then the new OHK shotgun with 6 rounds goes in to quickly mop em up
6) and then swap to Nova knives to mop up the rest

All i see is a post to try and put the other team in a state of fearing the shotgun, without yourself comming out of any comfort zones, just use the Breach like everyone does ....oh wait noone uses it because it puts them out of their own comfort zone...

Just learn to only shoot when you are absolutely sure to hit and you want have a problem with the Breach at all...combined with a Scrambler Breach pistol, people should really be dropping fast...

1) shotgun pellets can already travel trough an engine block, i cant see the logic of them bouncing off Armor
2) shotguns in RL can kill up to 30-50m out, having a sci-fi shotgun that shoots as far as i can cough someone to death sounds really unrealistic.
3) Basically someone on your team keeps everyone scanned, then the new OHK shotgun with 6 rounds goes in to quickly mop em up
6) and then swap to Nova knives to mop up the rest

All i see is a post to try and put the other team in a state of fearing the shotgun, without yourself comming out of any comfort zones, just use the Breach like everyone does ....oh wait noone uses it because it puts them out of their own comfort zone...

Just learn to only shoot when you are absolutely sure to hit and you want have a problem with the Breach at all...combined with a Scrambler Breach pistol, people should really be dropping fast...

1) This would step on the toes of the nova knives which is meant to be the ultimate assinate people in the back weapon.

2) Shotguns shouldn't be confined to such a short range. It should continue to be a short range brawler weapon, even for a scout suit that sneaks up on people. Also it should be a weapon that medium frames can use effectively as well as scouts.

3) Breach shotguns. Now this is the weapon that should OHKO people.

INB4 Atiim relates this post to Mass Drivers ... nope ... too late.
What's Atiim's MD Proficiency again? Is it Five?

Probably should also change the shotgun to have a louder sound when fired to go with this (or any sizable damage boost).

More noise moves it away the sneaky assassin weapon that the knives are supposed to fill while also allowing the shotgun to become a fear weapon. If they hear a loud boom and see a buddy pop up on the wrong side of the kill feed, a red is going to get real nervous.

---

You're fine one second ... all clear ... then BLAMO!
INSTA-KILLED without the slightest warning. WTF MAN!?
Sounds terrible, yes?

But once the tears have passed, you come to embrace it.
You begin to learn from each error and weight every action.
Your situational awareness is honed; you watch your back, reflexes at the ready.

Such is way of the Scout. Always invigorating. Constantly evolving.

I fear my high-eHP comrades are missing out on an essential Combat experience.
Myriad Med-Frames are suffering from a distinct lack of "OH CRAP WHAT JUST HAPPENED".

---

Enter: Solution!
Keep the Shotgun's 5 meter range (maybe nerf it a meter, so it won't be OP).
But boost its max damage potential from 500 to 1,500.

Get that blood flowing!
Get those senses honed!
And for the love of Isk, get that Shotgunner before he gets into range!!!



Edits / Concessions (References):
* Shotgun pellets bounce off of Armor for zero damage. (Post #2)
* 1,500 DMG at 3 meters, 500 at 5 meters, 0 at 10 meters. (Post #20)
* Willing to settle for 1,500 damage as "back-stab" bonus. (Post #18)
* Willing to personally buy Dexter307 a tank to hide in. (Post #12)
* Willing to consider reasonable adjustments to ammo capacity. (Post #38)
* Apply equitable buff to Nova Knives. (Post #74)
* Change sound-effect to Thunder Clap. (Post #77)

You're in a building with a CRU outside. Enemies are spawning in from it constantly pushing in and you have no ability to push out. Then in comes a douche in a proto heavy or a dual tanked proto Gallente assault through that doorway with your OHK shotty and a logi with proto repair tool on him and obliterates everything before anyone can so much as scratch his armor.

You can't balance a weapon on how well it would work on a single suit because it will be abused by the other suits you didn't account for

If you approve of me being your overlord, I will command CCP Wolfman to do as you said.

*Sits on his royal cat throne*

What sway does a cat have over a wolf?

If you approve of me being your overlord, I will command CCP Wolfman to do as you said.

*Sits on his royal cat throne*

Not sure what this entails,
but I agree to your Cat Terms.

You're in a building with a CRU outside. Enemies are spawning in from it constantly pushing in and you have no ability to push out. Then in comes a douche in a proto heavy or a dual tanked proto Gallente assault through that doorway with your OHK shotty and a logi with proto repair tool on him and obliterates everything before anyone can so much as scratch his armor.

You can't balance a weapon on how well it would work on a single suit because it will be abused by the other suits you didn't account for