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You're fine one second ... all clear ... then BLAMO!
INSTA-KILLED without the slightest warning. WTF MAN!?
Sounds terrible, yes?

But once the tears have passed, you come to embrace it.
You begin to learn from each error and weight every action.
Your situational awareness is honed; you watch your back, reflexes at the ready.

Such is way of the Scout. Always invigorating. Constantly evolving.

I fear my high-eHP comrades are missing out on an essential Combat experience.
Myriad Med-Frames are suffering from a distinct lack of "OH CRAP WHAT JUST HAPPENED".

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Enter: Solution!
Keep the Shotgun's 5 meter range (maybe nerf it a meter, so it won't be OP).
But boost its max damage potential from 500 to 1,500.

Get that blood flowing!
Get those senses honed!
And for the love of Isk, get that Shotgunner before he gets into range!!!



Edits / Concessions (References):
* Shotgun pellets bounce off of Armor for zero damage. (Post #2)
* 1,500 DMG at 3 meters, 500 at 5 meters, 0 at 10 meters. (Post #20)
* Willing to settle for 1,500 damage as "back-stab" bonus. (Post #18)
* Willing to personally buy Dexter307 a tank to hide in. (Post #12)
* Willing to consider reasonable adjustments to ammo capacity. (Post #38)
* Apply equitable buff to Nova Knives. (Post #74)
* Change sound-effect to Thunder Clap. (Post #77)
* Willing to claim Cat Merc henceforth as "overlord". (Post #78)

I do have a thought.

Give shotguns a secondary fire mode. Allow it to dispense two/three rounds at a time. Could change the overall surprise factor without modifying the gun itself. Would also allow you flexibility in engagements if you know your targets HP values.

Also I would suggest this "Cerberus" shotgun be a new variant as opposed to across the board change.

I do have a thought.

Give shotguns a secondary fire mode. Allow it to dispense two/three rounds at a time. Could change the overall surprise factor without modifying the gun itself. Would also allow you flexibility in engagements if you know your targets HP values.

Also I would suggest this "Cerberus" shotgun be a new variant as opposed to across the board change.

This happens then I'll be forever inside a tank, this idea of yours if by far the most preposterous thing that could happen to Dust since the days of the AC-130 Dropship.

Maybe a sane, average human being would do that.

Nope in the blueberries mind, you come to the forums and QQ about whatever that killed you and cry that it's OP and needs a nerf.

Because it's never your fault or someone bested you when it comes to this game, no way, it's always someone else's fault you died.

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Sorry, when I saw that I lost it, I wish more people had that attitude though.

Im a blue berry logi and im very aware of my battle area....atleast until some really creepy scouts come out of the closet of hell and start touching me in ways that are to horrific to explain .

Truly, would any shotgunner be able to get within 3 meters of the great Alldin Kan?
I think not.

But if by same strange fortune, a Shotgunner managed to get that close, how much of a "Response Window" does the great Alldin Kan deserve? Two seconds to retaliate / respond? Four seconds?

Where's the challenge in that?
Where's the visceral EXCITEMENT!?

The sheer possibility of being insta-killed would make Dust more fun for everyone.
But I digress ...

Do please describe for us why you deserve to survive a point-blank blast from a Proto Shotgun.
Use Lore and Meta, if you must.
Blow my mind.

I've met a particular shotgunner who rarely missed the shots and only used ADV suits, it was a Min Assault. Even though I had 3 dmg mods on my suit with 680 Armor it didn't matter much it 2-3 shots were be fired faster than I could kill him. There were only a few instances that I killed the guy in a 1v1 and that was me usually being left in critical health after hitting 90% of my shots. The rest of the encounters I had to win it with LAV reps and even that barely kept me alive, 2 OBs were saved just for me after I killed him and I died in many other occasions. Shotguns dmg needs to be reduced to the original amount which was 30 HP per pellet on the STD (now would be 33) as even a militia shotty can leave me in critical HP on a direct hit.

Probably Dengru tbh

Well i remember your old treat in chrome SG is OP i went 49-0 ( maybe the number are not accurate)
The day later i encounter you and killed you twice ... In an ambush where im at my best ( really not )
After the 2 death of mr 49-0, he respawned with an AR on a builduing doing roof camping
Hail to the King!!!
Seriously Alldin, the shotgun was always your dread in this game nothing more

The problem currently is EHP tanking, reducing considerably the effectivness of the shotgun, in comparaison in chrome, the dmg between the STD/ADV/Proto are to be review in my main opinion, simply not enough to be honest

Sorry but I've used shotguns before and they're simply too easy to get kills with the right fit, all the guys I used to play with also said the same. Anytime I would see another good shotgunner I knew that the encounter was likely be a 50/50 so I really couldn't be bothered with taking those risks. PRO shotguns aren't even needed to rack up the kills as the damage for militia is still high, all you need to do is use a speedy fit to avoid the incoming damage and not miss (2-3 hits to kill).

Sorry but I've used shotguns before and they're simply too easy to get kills with the right fit, all the guys I used to play with also said the same. Anytime I would see another good shotgunner I knew that the encounter was likely be a 50/50 so I really couldn't be bothered with taking those risks. PRO shotguns aren't even needed to rack up the kills as the damage for militia is still high, all you need to do is use a speedy fit to avoid the incoming damage and not miss (2-3 hits to kill).

Too easy?
So you use gal logi with 3 dmg mode currently with probably TAC AR.... Right Alldin, i often like your idea on the forum ( how upgrade commando suit & reduce nades spam ) but here you laugh at me, how you can say SG is OP with such a troll fit you dont even need skill with, you have AA in CQC just spray n pray

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* Willing to personally buy Dexter307 a tank to hide in. (Post #12)

Agreed to described "Alt Fire" mode, provided it dispense sufficient damage to OHK any Medium. And provided it be delivered within a reasonable timeframe. Design changes translate to massive timeline. The originally proprosed damage profile changes would take perhaps a day's worth of coding. How long would it take to code your Alt Fire?

OP Updated.

* Limitations to OHK range should still apply.
* Limitations to OHKs per clip should still apply.

I'm sorry, it's just that I really love MDs.

I mean really.... really... love my Mass Drivers...

Even more than you love your shotguns

Sorry but I've used shotguns before and they're simply too easy to get kills with the right fit, all the guys I used to play with also said the same. Anytime I would see another good shotgunner I knew that the encounter was likely be a 50/50 so I really couldn't be bothered with taking those risks. PRO shotguns aren't even needed to rack up the kills as the damage for militia is still high, all you need to do is use a speedy fit to avoid the incoming damage and not miss (2-3 hits to kill).

Fixed! See edit.