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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.04 00:44:00 -
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I played with a new guy and watched his entire experience through his first public match.
He spawns in Mcc and takes a big look around first skirmish ever. He walks the whole way to C and starts to hack. An Lav races in at full speed and out pops a proto heavy and mows him down.
I can tell what he's thinking oh well I am just gonna go back and get him!
On his way there he gets proto sniped walking from the mcc back to C. So he spawns in the ground spawn and carefully works his way across the street. As he is focused on the fight happening near D he get's smacked by a logi Lav.
He probably thought to himself dang shoulda looked both ways!
Spawns in ground again to get into the action dodges the patrolling lav to walk into the fire fight he's made it to some action. A well cooked grenade is thrown over the top of him and bam he is done!
Figures well I'll take my chance with the sniper. Walks the long way around to B evaded everyone's attention and is so excited to help the team with a sneaky hack. Starts hacking everything going great then BOOM Remote explosive.
Finally decides well I'll just be a sniper and shoot from the ground spawn. I might have a chance at scoring a kill.
The whole team is there with him in a nice tight bunch. Then Magic beams appear from the sky and kill everyone on the team for the final clones. I'm sure WTF was definitely uttered.
Then after the match I felt bad that I just made this game horrible for him...
Then moments later I realized that was myself 7 months ago. My only thought is keep it up kid you're gonna make it here if you want it. I don't hate proto stompers they are the goal to be and beat. Goodluck guys. New and old its a hard life being a merc in NEW EDEN. 
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
146
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Posted - 2013.12.04 01:46:00 -
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So...you made a new player's first non-Academy game hell because your team was Proto'd out to the nines in a random game?
Well done. I'm sure they will thank you for such an enlightening experience.
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Malek McRoland
DUST University
Ivy League
90
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Posted - 2013.12.04 01:50:00 -
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As much as it sounds like you are trying to relate to that poor blueberry, you are just as much a part of the reoccurring cycle that is protostomping: start out new and protostomped by players who have been playing awhile, then set out for proto gear to stomp anyone in your way (which also includes the inexperienced players).
Save that 'pat on the back' speech 'to stick with it.'
Trying to make yourself sound like the little guy is pathetic.
Demolitions Instructor
Event and Calendar Manager-Department of Education (D-UNI)
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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4046
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Posted - 2013.12.04 01:50:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:So...you made a new player's first non-Academy game hell because your team was Proto'd out to the nines in a random game? Well done. I'm sure they will thank you for such an enlightening experience.
Read the whole post Einstein. |
BMSTUBBY
370
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Posted - 2013.12.04 01:58:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:Then moments later I realized that was myself 7 months ago. My only thought is keep it up kid you're gonna make it here if you want it. I don't hate proto stompers they are the goal to be and beat. Goodluck guys. New and old its a hard life being a merc in NEW EDEN.
Yeah and for every one of you nine others said F*ck this game.
Cool Story Bro!
Way to be the problem, GG!
Dusters - MMO WhenGäó ?
CCP - MMO SoonGäó .
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Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
384
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Posted - 2013.12.04 01:58:00 -
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I'm sure it would have been !such more entertaining for everyone if everyone used advanced gear. I know I know, I worked hard to get this, no I have lots of fun killing everything, no **** you.
I enjoy good fights and making isk, proto stompers enjoy k/dr this a shame that new berry had such a rude awakening to this game. I hope he protostomps you one say  |
Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
147
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Posted - 2013.12.04 01:58:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:So...you made a new player's first non-Academy game hell because your team was Proto'd out to the nines in a random game? Well done. I'm sure they will thank you for such an enlightening experience. Read the whole post Einstein.
I did. He talked about how, eventually, the little blueberry gave up and began sniping because all of the Protostomping on the other team. He also talked about how that was a 'good thing' because it would be a drive to get better...not just, y'know, quit because people are asshats and want to be the big fish in the ever-decreasing little pond.
I said he was on the Proto team, that was a mistake. Is that really the issue? Not the fact that he said, "I don't hate proto stompers they are the goal to be and beat." Protostomping is not something to aspire to: it's something that should be eradicated by removing tiers, which are only detrimental to true balance.
This story is nothing more than a truly depressing tale of how the game is utterly unenjoyable the game can be when you're faced with a bunch of assholes in Proto gear going up against new players. |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
393
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:00:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:So...you made a new player's first non-Academy game hell because your team was Proto'd out to the nines in a random game? Well done. I'm sure they will thank you for such an enlightening experience.
I think the point is that he respects the guys efforts when clearly outmatched. If more guys would see what Greasy saw (even though it's around them everytime they play) that is what will make the difference.
Hammer them in game, send an email and invite them to run with veterans for a few matches. Give some advice on suits and weapons...take 10min to teach a newberry a little something in your squad and their odds of sticking around the game are much much higher. |
Malek McRoland
DUST University
Ivy League
90
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:05:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:
I think the point is that he respects the guys efforts when clearly outmatched. If more guys would see what Greasy saw (even though it's around them everytime they play) that is what will make the difference.
Hammer them in game, send an email and invite them to run with veterans for a few matches. Give some advice on suits and weapons...take 10min to teach a newberry a little something in your squad and their odds of sticking around the game are much much higher.
That last part is great; however it was not said or implied in the OP's opening statement. REVERTING to sniping should never be referred to as a 'good tactic.' He just sent the little bunny on his way to the wolves' den.
Demolitions Instructor
Event and Calendar Manager-Department of Education (D-UNI)
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
123
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:20:00 -
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I'm not shocked at all that alot of you are hurt about what this game is. But you are all and will be guilty of the same actions at one point or another.
If you slam me about it fine but you are part of the problem too. Gonna turn in those core upgrades for a fair fight?
No your not I don't care if people proto stomp or not it never stopped me from wearing militia gear or basic. IN FACT I took more joy in the game realizing that my wimpy gear was taking down good gear and that feels good.
If you want your game to be a no work for it quick shooter this ain't your game pal. So either appreciate how it works or stop crying.
I'm not here to listen to your down trodding of people who worked hard as hell and took their lumps to have that gear.
I tell every new player I teach "Hey be prepared to die ALOT."
Ever tried to teach someone who has no idea how to play? You couldn't keep them alive if you had them in the best squad in the game.
You gonna forget everything you know to just walk up and start shooting at their mcc and completely ignore your passive scans?
No you won't so shut yo ass up.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
2125
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:25:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:I played with a new guy and watched his entire experience through his first public match. He spawns in Mcc and takes a big look around first skirmish ever. He walks the whole way to C and starts to hack. An Lav races in at full speed and out pops a proto heavy and mows him down. I can tell what he's thinking oh well I am just gonna go back and get him! On his way there he gets proto sniped walking from the mcc back to C. So he spawns in the ground spawn and carefully works his way across the street. As he is focused on the fight happening near D he get's smacked by a logi Lav. He probably thought to himself dang shoulda looked both ways! Spawns in ground again to get into the action dodges the patrolling lav to walk into the fire fight he's made it to some action. A well cooked grenade is thrown over the top of him and bam he is done! Figures well I'll take my chance with the sniper. Walks the long way around to B evaded everyone's attention and is so excited to help the team with a sneaky hack. Starts hacking everything going great then BOOM Remote explosive. Finally decides well I'll just be a sniper and shoot from the ground spawn. I might have a chance at scoring a kill. The whole team is there with him in a nice tight bunch. Then Magic beams appear from the sky and kill everyone on the team for the final clones. I'm sure WTF was definitely uttered. Then after the match I felt bad that I just made this game horrible for him... Then moments later I realized that was myself 7 months ago. My only thought is keep it up kid you're gonna make it here if you want it. I don't hate proto stompers they are the goal to be and beat. Goodluck guys. New and old its a hard life being a merc in NEW EDEN.
Despite the bashing you are going to get, you are correct.
Some will just stay in **** corps and whine. Others will seek out better players to help them along.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Foxbat 071
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
61
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:25:00 -
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You sound like the kinda guy who spends a lot of time in the academy
BLAP
( X ) Call For Help
( O ) Respawn
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Malek McRoland
DUST University
Ivy League
90
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:28:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:I'm not shocked at all that alot of you are hurt about what this game is. But you are all and will be guilty of the same actions at one point or another. I'm not here to listen to your down trodding of people who worked hard as hell and took their lumps to have that gear. Ever tried to teach someone who has no idea how to play? You couldn't keep them alive if you had them in the best squad in the game. No you won't so shut yo ass up.
Then you lack the foresight to see beyond your selfish ******* ambition to obtain proto gear.
YOU see this game as getting proto gear and that's it. Don't confuse that point of view to be shared by all of New Eden.
Demolitions Instructor
Event and Calendar Manager-Department of Education (D-UNI)
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DiGreatDestroyer
Grupo de Asalto Chacal
RISE of LEGION
32
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:34:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:I played with a new guy and watched his entire experience through his first public match.
(...)
Then after the match I felt bad that I just made this game horrible for him...
You bastard, you where the one killing the poor guy over and over again werent you? Damn, thats cold... Take yout dirty like and get out of my sight xD |
BMSTUBBY
372
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:35:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:No you won't so shut yo ass up.
Pretty much sums up this guy.
Alright I have fed this baby troll enough, I am out.
Dusters - MMO WhenGäó ?
CCP - MMO SoonGäó .
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
125
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:35:00 -
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Thanks thor I know you're right just some people man.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Natalie Herondale
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
25
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:47:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:I played with a new guy and watched his entire experience through his first public match. He spawns in Mcc and takes a big look around first skirmish ever. He walks the whole way to C and starts to hack. An Lav races in at full speed and out pops a proto heavy and mows him down. I can tell what he's thinking oh well I am just gonna go back and get him! On his way there he gets proto sniped walking from the mcc back to C. So he spawns in the ground spawn and carefully works his way across the street. As he is focused on the fight happening near D he get's smacked by a logi Lav. He probably thought to himself dang shoulda looked both ways! Spawns in ground again to get into the action dodges the patrolling lav to walk into the fire fight he's made it to some action. A well cooked grenade is thrown over the top of him and bam he is done! Figures well I'll take my chance with the sniper. Walks the long way around to B evaded everyone's attention and is so excited to help the team with a sneaky hack. Starts hacking everything going great then BOOM Remote explosive. Finally decides well I'll just be a sniper and shoot from the ground spawn. I might have a chance at scoring a kill. The whole team is there with him in a nice tight bunch. Then Magic beams appear from the sky and kill everyone on the team for the final clones. I'm sure WTF was definitely uttered. Then after the match I felt bad that I just made this game horrible for him... Then moments later I realized that was myself 7 months ago. My only thought is keep it up kid you're gonna make it here if you want it. I don't hate proto stompers they are the goal to be and beat. Goodluck guys. New and old its a hard life being a merc in NEW EDEN.
LOL Even when I get proto stomped it is just another obstacle to overcome. You have the right to proto stomp... you've put time and energy into building up that much SP to do it. It's a toy that anyone would gladly play with given enough SP and ISK to use it. DUST's version of a sports car.
But every time I get killed by a proto the thing that immediately runs through my mind is, "You couldn't have killed me in advanced?" If you have to run proto every match to be as good of a player as you are then you aren't actually a great player in the first place. How many less kills would you get in advanced? How many more times would you die? You mow people down with your proto weapon, you receive little to no damage, and to top it all off you run with your other proto stomping buddies in a horde. I will purposely run militia gear in matches just so I can learn how not to die in it, because if I can avoid death in a crap suit then imagine how beast I would be completely proto. I would be unbeatable; you would absolutely 100% not be able to kill me. So, proto stomp all you want and have fun while you're doing it. You're not going to be running advanced any time soon regardless, so my objective will be to work around you. Adapt to survive.
Every time you proto stomp you should send an automated message to the people that you've killed,
"Hey. Sorry about the stomping. I hope you understand... I'm just not good enough of a player to kill people in their basic and advanced suits without it. (Gulp) They scare me." - Said the elephant to the ant.
If you're going to be bad, be bad with a purpose.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
396
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:49:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:I played with a new guy and watched his entire experience through his first public match. He spawns in Mcc and takes a big look around first skirmish ever. He walks the whole way to C and starts to hack. An Lav races in at full speed and out pops a proto heavy and mows him down. I can tell what he's thinking oh well I am just gonna go back and get him! On his way there he gets proto sniped walking from the mcc back to C. So he spawns in the ground spawn and carefully works his way across the street. As he is focused on the fight happening near D he get's smacked by a logi Lav. He probably thought to himself dang shoulda looked both ways! Spawns in ground again to get into the action dodges the patrolling lav to walk into the fire fight he's made it to some action. A well cooked grenade is thrown over the top of him and bam he is done! Figures well I'll take my chance with the sniper. Walks the long way around to B evaded everyone's attention and is so excited to help the team with a sneaky hack. Starts hacking everything going great then BOOM Remote explosive. Finally decides well I'll just be a sniper and shoot from the ground spawn. I might have a chance at scoring a kill. The whole team is there with him in a nice tight bunch. Then Magic beams appear from the sky and kill everyone on the team for the final clones. I'm sure WTF was definitely uttered. Then after the match I felt bad that I just made this game horrible for him... Then moments later I realized that was myself 7 months ago. My only thought is keep it up kid you're gonna make it here if you want it. I don't hate proto stompers they are the goal to be and beat. Goodluck guys. New and old its a hard life being a merc in NEW EDEN. Despite the bashing you are going to get, you are correct. Some will just stay in **** corps and whine. Others will seek out better players to help them along.
On board with Greasy and Thor 100%. This is New Eden and it can be a b!tch...but you can get better and eventually compete with the folks that were hammering you in the cool black suits when you first started playing.
We were all the new guy at one time and those of us that stuck around usually had someone give us a hand early on. Try doing the same. |
Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
127
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:57:00 -
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Malek McRoland wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:I'm not shocked at all that alot of you are hurt about what this game is. But you are all and will be guilty of the same actions at one point or another. I'm not here to listen to your down trodding of people who worked hard as hell and took their lumps to have that gear. Ever tried to teach someone who has no idea how to play? You couldn't keep them alive if you had them in the best squad in the game. No you won't so shut yo ass up. Then you lack the foresight to see beyond your selfish ******* ambition to obtain proto gear. YOU see this game as getting proto gear and that's it. Don't confuse that point of view to be shared by all of New Eden.
Lol you say I lack the foresight but you don't have the insight to see I was watching this from his side. Ever make a corp and recruit from local? Then tax free give them isk to get started and pro tips and understanding? I am posting this instance on my main because the name grabs attention.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
606
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Posted - 2013.12.04 03:05:00 -
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That was me too, for the first few months.
Damn I was dumb.
Sniped standing looking at the scenery.
Run over by a murder taxi (for at least a few spawns in a row). For a while I thought I had a target painted on my back for them to aim at.
OB'd to oblivion and not even knowing what an OB was.
Getting ganked by a bunch of experts running proto gear and officer ARs. Game after game after game.
Getting killed by a scout when I was using an assault drop suit. More times than I'd care to admit.
Spending skill points on stuff that was completely useless for a noob. A harsh lesson.
Getting shredded to bits by REs and grenades.
Getting killed by running into the redline, thinking I was a flanking ninja.
Trying to throw a grenade and blowing myself to smithereens.
Realizing that a bunch of the mods I was using on my dropsuit didn't work well together.
Jumping into a dropship flown by some guy straight out of flight school. The view was nice for about 15 seconds, then kerpow! Hit by some BFG that blew us to kingdom come.
Worrying about it in the forums and being told to HTFU.
Aaaaaahhh. Heady days.
I'm just glad Tac Com found me, dusted me off and gave me a chance to run with a great corp.
If your newberry sticks with it, he'll be ok. He just needs a mentor.
Munch
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
131
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Posted - 2013.12.04 03:08:00 -
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Just so you guys know I have real life friends I want to bring into the game. I can't lie to the and say it's gonna be fun.. I tell them this game is like an RPG you might walk in an area where the monsters are easy enough to handle and then you might be dealing with the final boss on your first step out of the tutorial.
What's the difference when you lose in this game than in an rpg? You actually grow, don't lose anything, and inherit the desire or the lack thereof to beat the boss.
If you guys can't handle that I'm sorry. I'm an old school gamer where the grind is always tough and you might back yourself into a corner 50 gameplay hours in just to have to restart the whole game.
No I don't have sympathy for you guys who don't see it that way. The reality of what CCP's Idea for the game is centered around this. You guys are playing the wrong game if you can't get over it I warn you now. If they intended the game not to have that effect they would've made it so. If they don't care then it's irrelevant.
In closing respectfully get off your high horse and make another post about how proto stomping is a problem in FEEDBACK and REQUEST. Where people who are looking for innovative changes to improve the game are going to go look.
Don't bring your crybaby attitudes to me or blame me for being a part of the problem. Wanna blame someone blame CCP.
You know I do have one more point to make... You are condoning cowardice and mediocrity. Says alot about your character.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
131
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Posted - 2013.12.04 03:12:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:That was me too, for the first few months.
Damn I was dumb.
Sniped standing looking at the scenery.
Run over by a murder taxi (for at least a few spawns in a row). For a while I thought I had a target painted on my back for them to aim at.
OB'd to oblivion and not even knowing what an OB was.
Getting ganked by a bunch of experts running proto gear and officer ARs. Game after game after game.
Getting killed by a scout when I was using an assault drop suit. More times than I'd care to admit.
Spending skill points on stuff that was completely useless for a noob. A harsh lesson.
Getting shredded to bits by REs and grenades.
Getting killed by running into the redline, thinking I was a flanking ninja.
Trying to throw a grenade and blowing myself to smithereens.
Realizing that a bunch of the mods I was using on my dropsuit didn't work well together.
Jumping into a dropship flown by some guy straight out of flight school. The view was nice for about 15 seconds, then kerpow! Hit by some BFG that blew us to kingdom come.
Worrying about sucking so bad in the forums and being told to HTFU.
Aaaaaahhh. Heady days.
I'm just glad Tac Com found me, dusted me off and gave me a chance to run with a great corp.
If your newberry sticks with it, he'll be ok. He just needs a mentor.
Munch
There's guys I'd play with everyday showing up to this post right now.
Then there's the rest of you whom nobody wants to squad with cause you're gonna whine that you are dying to proto gear DUH.
Thank you reasonable players my heart goes out to you.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
151
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Posted - 2013.12.04 12:59:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:In closing respectfully get off your high horse and make another post about how proto stomping is a problem in FEEDBACK and REQUEST. Where people who are looking for innovative changes to improve the game are going to go look.
Don't bring your crybaby attitudes to me or blame me for being a part of the problem. Wanna blame someone blame CCP.
You know I do have one more point to make... You are condoning cowardice and mediocrity. Says alot about your character.
Please tell me how Protostomping is good for the game. Is it because it makes players HTFU? Is it because it's something to strive to do themselves? I do not understand the notion that utterly destroying a new player's morale and having a very real chance of driving them away from the game (which is severely detrimental to the game's overall health)is actually a good thing.
Certainly, there are some with the grit to push through and keep fighting, but they are definitely the minority. I think you'll find that a lot of the people who dislike Protostomping are not in favour of twitch-shooter mechanics either: DUST has a lot of promise as a thoughtful and tactical shooter, yet it is currently all about whether you Protostomp or have mad gun game: there is next to no actual tactical thought, the game does not reward the most effective team because bad, illogical mechanics (WP for Orbitals, for example) reward mediocrity and cheap...I don't want to call them tactics, they are more like gimmicks.
At the end of the day, Protostomping is the equivalent of ganking in EVE but there is no foil to it. In EVE, you have to manoeuvre to avoid the wrath of CONCORD, but the Protostompers in DUST simply whistle merrily as they drive every casual gamer out of the game. Sure, there should be areas that don't cater to casual gamers: inversely, there should be areas that don't cater to hardcore gamers. This is New Eden, where life is harsh for sure but at the end of the day this is still a game and there are elements of the playerbase that abuse the current state for personal satisfaction that is ultimately not fun for a majority...assuming that Protostompers have not driven away so many people that they are now actually the majority, anyway.
I'll close with this quote as to why your viewpoint is horribly flawed:
Grease Spillett wrote:I can't lie to the and say it's gonna be fun
The simple fact that you're unable to describe the game that is DUST 514 as fun, because of the likelihood of Protostomping, is a terrible indictment.
I don't know why I bothered with this, since Protostompers and Proto-apologists alike rarely care about the actual health of the game...
And FYI, I have a solid core of good people. I enjoy playing with them, there are some very good players and we rocked pretty hard in some of the tournaments despite being a small, non-hardcore Corp. Do not assume that people who complain about Protostomping are all scrubs: a lot of us just want the game to be healthy. |
Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
133
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Posted - 2013.12.04 14:18:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:In closing respectfully get off your high horse and make another post about how proto stomping is a problem in FEEDBACK and REQUEST. Where people who are looking for innovative changes to improve the game are going to go look.
Don't bring your crybaby attitudes to me or blame me for being a part of the problem. Wanna blame someone blame CCP.
You know I do have one more point to make... You are condoning cowardice and mediocrity. Says alot about your character. Please tell me how Protostomping is good for the game. Is it because it makes players HTFU? Is it because it's something to strive to do themselves? I do not understand the notion that utterly destroying a new player's morale and having a very real chance of driving them away from the game (which is severely detrimental to the game's overall health)is actually a good thing. Certainly, there are some with the grit to push through and keep fighting, but they are definitely the minority. I think you'll find that a lot of the people who dislike Protostomping are not in favour of twitch-shooter mechanics either: DUST has a lot of promise as a thoughtful and tactical shooter, yet it is currently all about whether you Protostomp or have mad gun game: there is next to no actual tactical thought, the game does not reward the most effective team because bad, illogical mechanics (WP for Orbitals, for example) reward mediocrity and cheap...I don't want to call them tactics, they are more like gimmicks. At the end of the day, Protostomping is the equivalent of ganking in EVE but there is no foil to it. In EVE, you have to manoeuvre to avoid the wrath of CONCORD, but the Protostompers in DUST simply whistle merrily as they drive every casual gamer out of the game. Sure, there should be areas that don't cater to casual gamers: inversely, there should be areas that don't cater to hardcore gamers. This is New Eden, where life is harsh for sure but at the end of the day this is still a game and there are elements of the playerbase that abuse the current state for personal satisfaction that is ultimately not fun for a majority...assuming that Protostompers have not driven away so many people that they are now actually the majority, anyway. I'll close with this quote as to why your viewpoint is horribly flawed: Grease Spillett wrote:I can't lie to the and say it's gonna be fun The simple fact that you're unable to describe the game that is DUST 514 as fun, because of the likelihood of Protostomping, is a terrible indictment. I don't know why I bothered with this, since Protostompers and Proto-apologists alike rarely care about the actual health of the game... And FYI, I have a solid core of good people. I enjoy playing with them, there are some very good players and we rocked pretty hard in some of the tournaments despite being a small, non-hardcore Corp. Do not assume that people who complain about Protostomping are all scrubs: a lot of us just want the game to be healthy.
Your first question I already answered so I didn't bother to read the rest of your rant. Read the post don't be stupid.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
133
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Posted - 2013.12.04 14:23:00 -
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All you did was look at one piece of my point and start to plug away at the holes in it. If not taken out of context or misunderstood nothing in the post should make anyone angry in the first place. Hence send it to feedback and request.
Also you mad bro? yeah you are.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
136
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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:26:00 -
[26] - Quote
Can I rename this post?
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
143
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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:40:00 -
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Foxbat 071 wrote:You sound like the kinda guy who spends a lot of time in the academy
Foxbat you know me. Why would you say this? I go to the academy with militia gear when I get a new recruit. I don't any other time.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
624
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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:55:00 -
[28] - Quote
@_@
Pretty much the same for me Grease. When I was hear I was stuck trying to using my mind over gear to bridge the gap between me and them. I still do that. Jump onto enemies with an SMG and slaying them, bouncing grenades on a wall after baiting a player into walking into it, ducking and shooting the feet of a merc while they're at a Supply Depot, outsmarting the enemy in whatever way I can...
I don't know, I didn't read anything about "Proto Stomp Away" or whatever has everyone's panties twisted but rather don't make it easier on the players since going through the same hardships made you the excellent player you are now.
I sound like an old person but if we make it easier on them, wouldn't the players just become soft and rely on their gear ANYWAY? I promise you that if I didn't get stomped by team work and realized the difference between a Standard fit and a Proto, I wouldn't be the calculating ****** I am today >.>. I'm sure a lot of players wouldn't be. Sure, we need to make the Academy better so it helps players adjusts and have easier to understand instructions but at the core, do you really want to make the battlefield cushiony for newcomers? People will fret until the game is as easy to dominate in as COD or Battlefield and we most certainly don't want that.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
715
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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:59:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:Foxbat 071 wrote:You sound like the kinda guy who spends a lot of time in the academy Foxbat you know me. Why would you say this? I go to the academy with militia gear when I get a new recruit. I don't any other time.
if your gonna go make it useful. Teach a few at least something. Recommend training corps. If you get the info out there it may spread like a rumor. |
Ace D Roger
Pirate Kings Crew
0
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Posted - 2013.12.04 20:12:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:Foxbat 071 wrote:You sound like the kinda guy who spends a lot of time in the academy Foxbat you know me. Why would you say this? I go to the academy with militia gear when I get a new recruit. I don't any other time. if your gonna go make it useful. Teach a few at least something. Recommend training corps. If you get the info out there it may spread like a rumor.
This is my training corp alt. I have threads in recruitment and spend hours typing the same message over and over. 0% tax and pro tips.
I run a raven suit with a gek. 2 enhanced shield extenders militia plate and rep. nothing else.
I make about enough to spot a recruit 300k isk upon joining. I take alot of pride in this. It is a way to make the game better.
I don't care that I get proto stomped in matches when I just made an alt to support a guy through the academy then supported him through his first couple of matches. It is out of my control. I just keep it real for them and explain to them this is the way things are.
I as a 2 mil sp character solo down more proto and advanced gear than I ever imagined I could. I don't even have passive sp going on this guy.
Anyway I play this game more than most people in the top 100. I have no life but dust at the moment. 
I know what I am talking about and when people come at me with the intent to belittle me I don't laugh I feel bad for them.
Because they have no answer to the key of my success which is intelligence, patience, and determination.
So when I see you crying on the forums I know it's more than that. You've actually shown me that you are an incompetent, lazy crybaby. In a fake and real world. Can you just fake it for me so I don't have to worry about your life too
Obviously somebodies alt.
Dedicated One Piece Fan and Agent of the Mangrove.
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
144
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Posted - 2013.12.04 20:18:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:@_@
Pretty much the same for me Grease. When I was hear I was stuck trying to using my mind over gear to bridge the gap between me and them. I still do that. Jump onto enemies with an SMG and slaying them, bouncing grenades on a wall after baiting a player into walking into it, ducking and shooting the feet of a merc while they're at a Supply Depot, outsmarting the enemy in whatever way I can...
I don't know, I didn't read anything about "Proto Stomp Away" or whatever has everyone's panties twisted but rather don't make it easier on the players since going through the same hardships made you the excellent player you are now.
I sound like an old person but if we make it easier on them, wouldn't the players just become soft and rely on their gear ANYWAY? I promise you that if I didn't get stomped by team work and realized the difference between a Standard fit and a Proto, I wouldn't be the calculating ****** I am today >.>. I'm sure a lot of players wouldn't be. Sure, we need to make the Academy better so it helps players adjusts and have easier to understand instructions but at the core, do you really want to make the battlefield cushiony for newcomers? People will fret until the game is as easy to dominate in as COD or Battlefield and we most certainly don't want that.
This is the truth Roy. For whatever reason people get so mad. I had about 40 players I started playing with when I first came here. The ones that are still around like the game for what it was and is. The ones that were with me in the beginning didn't give a crap about it in the first place. I don't care that they aren't playing this game anymore. I don't want to carry dead weight around in a competitive match.
They can be happy playing something else. I am happy playing here with you guys in this game.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
289
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Posted - 2013.12.04 20:37:00 -
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This is why I play FW, so no one is getting stomped by me. I have my Core Skills maxxed, and don't find killing newcomers... over... and over... and over very fun. I like the matches where my enemies have a chance.
That said, I took my knocks, like everyone here, even killed proto heavies with a shotty scout for a while. But it's just rediculous that this is the meta-game: kill newberries in hi-sec with the highest level gear. Ugh. Keep it in lo-sec, please.
Names of playstyles
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Ace D Roger
Pirate Kings Crew
0
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Posted - 2013.12.05 00:23:00 -
[33] - Quote
How do you keep it in low sec?
Obviously somebodies alt.
Dedicated One Piece Fan and Agent of the Mangrove.
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
295
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Posted - 2013.12.05 00:25:00 -
[34] - Quote
Ace D Roger wrote:How do you keep it in low sec?
FW/PC are lo-sec.
Pubs are Hi-sec.
Names of playstyles
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Ace D Roger
Pirate Kings Crew
0
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Posted - 2013.12.05 00:27:00 -
[35] - Quote
WOW thank you I learnded sumfin!
Obviously somebodies alt.
Dedicated One Piece Fan and Agent of the Mangrove.
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Zahle Undt
Unkn0wn Killers
Renegade Alliance
497
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Posted - 2013.12.05 01:09:00 -
[36] - Quote
The greatest myth about protostomping is that it is the gear that makes the difference when in fact it is the fact that many people (myself included) only run proto when with squads of corp or alliance mates. it is the organized squads that make the difference not the gear so much. Also, most people I know that have proto gear also have their core skills and weapon skills maxed, simply put we are higher level in this game because we have been playing it longer...welcome to an RPG hybrid. The final myth is that proto gear is godly compared to everything else, this is a fallacy in many cases, I know my assault Mk. 0 has about a whole 100 more EHP than my advanced suit and a Ishukone SMG over the advanced assault SMG. Slight advantages but hardly worth all the tears and whining on these forums.
Proto gear is just the easiest excuse why one loses instead of the real culprits of a better team on the other side, better team work (I.E. they're squaded and I wasn't), or actually admitting that (GASP) someone is better at the game than me.
And before anyone gets mad at me I rarely use proto in pubs because I am a cheap S.O.B. and I am average at best at Dust despite being a closed beta vet. Oh and back in closed beta we used to get stomped on by Imperfect squads every other match because it was a tighter knit community with fewer corps etc....
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
295
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Posted - 2013.12.05 01:43:00 -
[37] - Quote
Zahle Undt wrote:The greatest myth about protostomping is that it is the gear that makes the difference when in fact it is the fact that many people (myself included) only run proto when with squads of corp or alliance mates. it is the organized squads that make the difference not the gear so much. Also, most people I know that have proto gear also have their core skills and weapon skills maxed, simply put we are higher level in this game because we have been playing it longer...welcome to an RPG hybrid. The final myth is that proto gear is godly compared to everything else, this is a fallacy in many cases, I know my assault Mk. 0 has about a whole 100 more EHP than my advanced suit and a Ishukone SMG over the advanced assault SMG. Slight advantages but hardly worth all the tears and whining on these forums.
Proto gear is just the easiest excuse why one loses instead of the real culprits of a better team on the other side, better team work (I.E. they're squaded and I wasn't), or actually admitting that (GASP) someone is better at the game than me.
And before anyone gets mad at me I rarely use proto in pubs because I am a cheap S.O.B. and I am average at best at Dust despite being a closed beta vet. Oh and back in closed beta we used to get stomped on by Imperfect squads every other match because it was a tighter knit community with fewer corps etc....
I understand this, but that doesn't mean it's not a problem. Keep proto gear out of pubs, that's all I'm asking. I avoid public matches so that I CAN use proto without feeling guilty, or because of this. Trust me, I'm not crying for myself, but the newcomers. I love RPGs, but a lot of people are used to FPS, not RPG.
Names of playstyles
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Zero Notion
Wraith Company
382
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:04:00 -
[38] - Quote
Sounds like matchmaking is still broken or we just have so few players now to reliably match players up in a relatively logical way.
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
147
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:09:00 -
[39] - Quote
Zero Notion wrote:Sounds like matchmaking is still broken or we just have so few players now to reliably match players up in a relatively logical way.
When I go solo it's 16 solo vs 2 squads normally but they can't do much about that.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
1308
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:19:00 -
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BMSTUBBY wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:Then moments later I realized that was myself 7 months ago. My only thought is keep it up kid you're gonna make it here if you want it. I don't hate proto stompers they are the goal to be and beat. Goodluck guys. New and old its a hard life being a merc in NEW EDEN. Yeah and for every one of you nine others said F*ck this game. Cool Story Bro! Way to be the problem, GG!
Your right, 9 others left. Maybe more, i think retention rate is prolly not even 1%. It happens in EVE too.
But to be perfectly clear, i'd rather see this game die and all our time invested lost to the void than see it softened up. If we can't find enough mercs out of tens of millions of FPS players(yes i know how many PS3s there are) the f*** it, the FPS community is too soft for New Eden.
In Grease Spillett's case the only thin i blame is the matchmaker. But to be honest, the players that have joined and stayed in the last 6 months will always command my highest respect. The ones who join us later when everything is running smooth and the matchmaker can carefully nurture their tender souls will be welcome and appreciated....
But they won't know what it was like, man.
I support SP rollover.
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Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training
EoN.
2431
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:33:00 -
[41] - Quote
I keep hearing that this is how the game is meant to be....this is New Eden, it's harsh and unforgiving, blah, blah, blah.
Problem is this game doesn't feel anything like New Eden. The meta of this game is equip best gear, max core skills, **** face. Lack of total content, no place to go to train without the threat of protostomp (I'm talking about PvE), and no legitimate in-game tutorials to teach new people= Bad. Oh yeah, and a lack of matchmaking screws **** up as well.
No, I am not CCP Logibro.
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
1309
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:48:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:I keep hearing that this is how the game is meant to be....this is New Eden, it's harsh and unforgiving, blah, blah, blah.
Problem is this game doesn't feel anything like New Eden. The meta of this game is equip best gear, max core skills, **** face. Lack of total content, no place to go to train without the threat of protostomp (I'm talking about PvE), and no legitimate in-game tutorials to teach new people= Bad. Oh yeah, and a lack of matchmaking screws **** up as well.
This isn't the game. This is the core mechanics/basic content build up phase to what DUST is actually going to be. When we've got an integrated market, player contracts and control strategic resources crucial to EVE....that will be the beginning of DUST.
At that point, the vacation is over - things will get rough.
I support SP rollover.
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Zahle Undt
Unkn0wn Killers
Renegade Alliance
500
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:32:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:The greatest myth about protostomping is that it is the gear that makes the difference when in fact it is the fact that many people (myself included) only run proto when with squads of corp or alliance mates. it is the organized squads that make the difference not the gear so much. Also, most people I know that have proto gear also have their core skills and weapon skills maxed, simply put we are higher level in this game because we have been playing it longer...welcome to an RPG hybrid. The final myth is that proto gear is godly compared to everything else, this is a fallacy in many cases, I know my assault Mk. 0 has about a whole 100 more EHP than my advanced suit and a Ishukone SMG over the advanced assault SMG. Slight advantages but hardly worth all the tears and whining on these forums.
Proto gear is just the easiest excuse why one loses instead of the real culprits of a better team on the other side, better team work (I.E. they're squaded and I wasn't), or actually admitting that (GASP) someone is better at the game than me.
And before anyone gets mad at me I rarely use proto in pubs because I am a cheap S.O.B. and I am average at best at Dust despite being a closed beta vet. Oh and back in closed beta we used to get stomped on by Imperfect squads every other match because it was a tighter knit community with fewer corps etc....
I understand this, but that doesn't mean it's not a problem. Keep proto gear out of pubs, that's all I'm asking. I avoid public matches so that I CAN use proto without feeling guilty, or because of this. Trust me, I'm not crying for myself, but the newcomers. I love RPGs, but a lot of people are used to FPS, not RPG.
Oh I agree with you, but even if we somehow got all of us who visit the forums on at least a weekly basis to come to a gentlemen's agreement to not run proto in pubs...it would still happen. It would happen because many of the people who play never come to the forums, it would happen because people are generally selfish. It is going to always happen and this game will not be newcomer friendly or grow it's player base significantly until there is PvE. I honestly can not fathom how CCP could call this game released and think they could have success with DUST514 without something to do besides fight pub matches to grind.
And if we think it is bad now, if people have nearly limitless ISK from PC now, imagine what is going to happen to newberries when there is an economic connection to Eve and corporations and the players that belong to it really have limitless ISK, you know, because in EVE there is stuff to do other than PvP.
I have been on and on about PvE since release day and I know I'm a broken record, but I really think it is important to having a healthy Dust ecosystem and last time IWS shared some info on it I believe he said it was back burner or on the shelf as far as development goes and IMHO that is ass backwards thinking from CCP
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Zero Notion
Wraith Company
395
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Posted - 2013.12.05 21:01:00 -
[44] - Quote
Grease Spillett wrote:Zero Notion wrote:Sounds like matchmaking is still broken or we just have so few players now to reliably match players up in a relatively logical way.
When I go solo it's 16 solo vs 2 squads normally but they can't do much about that.
One thing that would help a lot is to remove OBs from Pub matches and replace it with some other mechanic that isn't as destructive, nearly unavoidable and incredibly, stupidly OP as an automated 'ability' - especially so when WP boosting with Logistics/Equipment is so easy to attain. Seriously. If you're going to have OBs in pubs, it should work the same as FW and PC (referring to the changes in 1.7).
I'd rather see a squad-wide buff given to the squad that attains the 2500 WP, a random one from a selection of potential enhancers that lasts 60 seconds. |
Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
152
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:48:00 -
[45] - Quote
Zero Notion wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:Zero Notion wrote:Sounds like matchmaking is still broken or we just have so few players now to reliably match players up in a relatively logical way.
When I go solo it's 16 solo vs 2 squads normally but they can't do much about that. One thing that would help a lot is to remove OBs from Pub matches and replace it with some other mechanic that isn't as destructive, nearly unavoidable and incredibly, stupidly OP as an automated 'ability' - especially so when WP boosting with Logistics/Equipment is so easy to attain. Seriously. If you're going to have OBs in pubs, it should work the same as FW and PC (referring to the changes in 1.7). I'd rather see a squad-wide buff given to the squad that attains the 2500 WP, a random one from a selection of potential enhancers that lasts 60 seconds.
That sounds pretty cool!
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1437
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Posted - 2013.12.06 04:51:00 -
[46] - Quote
Grease Spillett wrote:I played with a new guy and watched his entire experience through his first public match. He spawns in Mcc and takes a big look around first skirmish ever. He walks the whole way to C and starts to hack. An Lav races in at full speed and out pops a proto heavy and mows him down. I can tell what he's thinking oh well I am just gonna go back and get him! On his way there he gets proto sniped walking from the mcc back to C. So he spawns in the ground spawn and carefully works his way across the street. As he is focused on the fight happening near D he get's smacked by a logi Lav. He probably thought to himself dang shoulda looked both ways! Spawns in ground again to get into the action dodges the patrolling lav to walk into the fire fight he's made it to some action. A well cooked grenade is thrown over the top of him and bam he is done! Figures well I'll take my chance with the sniper. Walks the long way around to B evaded everyone's attention and is so excited to help the team with a sneaky hack. Starts hacking everything going great then BOOM Remote explosive. Finally decides well I'll just be a sniper and shoot from the ground spawn. I might have a chance at scoring a kill. The whole team is there with him in a nice tight bunch. Then Magic beams appear from the sky and kill everyone on the team for the final clones. I'm sure WTF was definitely uttered. Then after the match I felt bad that I just made this game horrible for him... Then moments later I realized that was myself 7 months ago. My only thought is keep it up kid you're gonna make it here if you want it. I don't hate proto stompers they are the goal to be and beat. Goodluck guys. New and old its a hard life being a merc in NEW EDEN.
I give you a plus 1 sir!.... the last thing we need is new players sticking with this game (because it will only prolong its death)
and your attempt at a motivational speech is condescending and dispassionate (as I'm sure was your intention) only adding insult to injury.
you are a shinning beacon of the dust community, and if only there were more like you (oh wait, there are many like you...) we could give this game a proper burial within a year.
keep it up kid.....
never again will i spend money on this broken game....
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Lowkiie
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
45
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Posted - 2013.12.06 05:26:00 -
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Alot of you guys on here defending the proto stomp are nothing but selfish cry babies who want to hinder the games growth. I started in closed beta and it was a different time back then as proto wasn't really common. Now it's everywhere and you expect new players to take the ass kicking and thank you for the opportunity? **** You! What happens when the newbies get their own game mode? You are going to whine and cry because your easy kills are gone. Not to mention the fact that most of you use mouse and keyboard with aim assist (yeah I know theres a way) I can't wait for the day when CCP wakes up and starts thinking of ways to draw in the new players and gives them a fighting chance. Proto stomping is your purogotive, but you know that it is hardly fair. I could do the same, I have all the necessary skills and equipment and a rather high lifetime SP coun't. But I don't do it. It's not fun to get completely overwhelmed as a new player. Most new players don't know that the best way to grow is to get in with a corp. So don't sit there and act all high and mighty talking garbage about proto stomping is your right. So you "High KDR guys", your days are numbered. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
384
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Posted - 2013.12.06 05:36:00 -
[48] - Quote
Kallas Hallytyr wrote:So...you made a new player's first non-Academy game hell because your team was Proto'd out to the nines in a random game? Well done. I'm sure they will thank you for such an enlightening experience.
He didn't do anything sadly but play the game.
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
357
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Posted - 2013.12.06 06:14:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:The greatest myth about protostomping is that it is the gear that makes the difference when in fact it is the fact that many people (myself included) only run proto when with squads of corp or alliance mates. it is the organized squads that make the difference not the gear so much. Also, most people I know that have proto gear also have their core skills and weapon skills maxed, simply put we are higher level in this game because we have been playing it longer...welcome to an RPG hybrid. The final myth is that proto gear is godly compared to everything else, this is a fallacy in many cases, I know my assault Mk. 0 has about a whole 100 more EHP than my advanced suit and a Ishukone SMG over the advanced assault SMG. Slight advantages but hardly worth all the tears and whining on these forums.
Proto gear is just the easiest excuse why one loses instead of the real culprits of a better team on the other side, better team work (I.E. they're squaded and I wasn't), or actually admitting that (GASP) someone is better at the game than me.
And before anyone gets mad at me I rarely use proto in pubs because I am a cheap S.O.B. and I am average at best at Dust despite being a closed beta vet. Oh and back in closed beta we used to get stomped on by Imperfect squads every other match because it was a tighter knit community with fewer corps etc....
This.
If you get a full squad of competent mercs in a squad together running all proto they will save more ISK than running standard while putting up better scores.
Proto may win 1v1s but teamwork can win 6v16s
ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist
Amarr Sentinel | Amarr Logi | Losematar Scout
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Niuvo
NECROM0NGERS
Covert Intervention
851
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Posted - 2013.12.06 06:30:00 -
[50] - Quote
i feel guilty for using Scout gk.0....wait, should I? Scouts are underpowered, I need all that I can to beat other players with higher eHP then me.
Lately I'm using mlt, bsc and some adv. scouts. mlt shotgun works great against protos. |
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Ace D Roger
Pirate Kings Crew
2
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Posted - 2013.12.08 01:45:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:I played with a new guy and watched his entire experience through his first public match. He spawns in Mcc and takes a big look around first skirmish ever. He walks the whole way to C and starts to hack. An Lav races in at full speed and out pops a proto heavy and mows him down. I can tell what he's thinking oh well I am just gonna go back and get him! On his way there he gets proto sniped walking from the mcc back to C. So he spawns in the ground spawn and carefully works his way across the street. As he is focused on the fight happening near D he get's smacked by a logi Lav. He probably thought to himself dang shoulda looked both ways! Spawns in ground again to get into the action dodges the patrolling lav to walk into the fire fight he's made it to some action. A well cooked grenade is thrown over the top of him and bam he is done! Figures well I'll take my chance with the sniper. Walks the long way around to B evaded everyone's attention and is so excited to help the team with a sneaky hack. Starts hacking everything going great then BOOM Remote explosive. Finally decides well I'll just be a sniper and shoot from the ground spawn. I might have a chance at scoring a kill. The whole team is there with him in a nice tight bunch. Then Magic beams appear from the sky and kill everyone on the team for the final clones. I'm sure WTF was definitely uttered. Then after the match I felt bad that I just made this game horrible for him... Then moments later I realized that was myself 7 months ago. My only thought is keep it up kid you're gonna make it here if you want it. I don't hate proto stompers they are the goal to be and beat. Goodluck guys. New and old its a hard life being a merc in NEW EDEN. I give you a plus 1 sir!.... the last thing we need is new players sticking with this game (because it will only prolong its death) and your attempt at a motivational speech is condescending and dispassionate (as I'm sure was your intention) only adding insult to injury. you are a shinning beacon of the dust community, and if only there were more like you (oh wait, there are many like you...) we could give this game a proper burial within a year. keep it up kid.....
Your lack of understanding is not surprising and who you calling kid boy?
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Ace D Roger
Pirate Kings Crew
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Posted - 2013.12.08 01:49:00 -
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Lowkiie wrote:Alot of you guys on here defending the proto stomp are nothing but selfish cry babies who want to hinder the games growth. I started in closed beta and it was a different time back then as proto wasn't really common. Now it's everywhere and you expect new players to take the ass kicking and thank you for the opportunity? **** You! What happens when the newbies get their own game mode? You are going to whine and cry because your easy kills are gone. Not to mention the fact that most of you use mouse and keyboard with aim assist (yeah I know theres a way) I can't wait for the day when CCP wakes up and starts thinking of ways to draw in the new players and gives them a fighting chance. Proto stomping is your purogotive, but you know that it is hardly fair. I could do the same, I have all the necessary skills and equipment and a rather high lifetime SP coun't. But I don't do it. It's not fun to get completely overwhelmed as a new player. Most new players don't know that the best way to grow is to get in with a corp. So don't sit there and act all high and mighty talking garbage about proto stomping is your right. So you "High KDR guys", your days are numbered.
Lol seriously? if someone wants to get their KDR up I would just have them sit in the mcc while five of us get three obs and he can go 15-40 and 0 everymatch 0 chance of loosing cause he can call them down from the mcc. You guys act like There's no skill involved with how people play. Djinn Kujo wears advanced all the time until he see's he's fighting proto then he will switch out if he dies. Some people are just really good.
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Ace D Roger
Pirate Kings Crew
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Posted - 2013.12.08 01:50:00 -
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Niuvo wrote:i feel guilty for using Scout gk.0....wait, should I? Scouts are underpowered, I need all that I can to beat other players with higher eHP then me.
Lately I'm using mlt, bsc and some adv. scouts. mlt shotgun works great against protos.
I dies to this happily!
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Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.12.08 02:12:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:I played with a new guy and watched his entire experience through his first public match. He spawns in Mcc and takes a big look around first skirmish ever. He walks the whole way to C and starts to hack. An Lav races in at full speed and out pops a proto heavy and mows him down. I can tell what he's thinking oh well I am just gonna go back and get him! On his way there he gets proto sniped walking from the mcc back to C. So he spawns in the ground spawn and carefully works his way across the street. As he is focused on the fight happening near D he get's smacked by a logi Lav. He probably thought to himself dang shoulda looked both ways! Spawns in ground again to get into the action dodges the patrolling lav to walk into the fire fight he's made it to some action. A well cooked grenade is thrown over the top of him and bam he is done! Figures well I'll take my chance with the sniper. Walks the long way around to B evaded everyone's attention and is so excited to help the team with a sneaky hack. Starts hacking everything going great then BOOM Remote explosive. Finally decides well I'll just be a sniper and shoot from the ground spawn. I might have a chance at scoring a kill. The whole team is there with him in a nice tight bunch. Then Magic beams appear from the sky and kill everyone on the team for the final clones. I'm sure WTF was definitely uttered. Then after the match I felt bad that I just made this game horrible for him... Then moments later I realized that was myself 7 months ago. My only thought is keep it up kid you're gonna make it here if you want it. I don't hate proto stompers they are the goal to be and beat. Goodluck guys. New and old its a hard life being a merc in NEW EDEN.
Did u invite him to your corp afterwards?
We have to take these newberries and guide and nurture them. They are our young and our little future greifers
"We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.08 02:18:00 -
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Mac Dac wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:I played with a new guy and watched his entire experience through his first public match. He spawns in Mcc and takes a big look around first skirmish ever. He walks the whole way to C and starts to hack. An Lav races in at full speed and out pops a proto heavy and mows him down. I can tell what he's thinking oh well I am just gonna go back and get him! On his way there he gets proto sniped walking from the mcc back to C. So he spawns in the ground spawn and carefully works his way across the street. As he is focused on the fight happening near D he get's smacked by a logi Lav. He probably thought to himself dang shoulda looked both ways! Spawns in ground again to get into the action dodges the patrolling lav to walk into the fire fight he's made it to some action. A well cooked grenade is thrown over the top of him and bam he is done! Figures well I'll take my chance with the sniper. Walks the long way around to B evaded everyone's attention and is so excited to help the team with a sneaky hack. Starts hacking everything going great then BOOM Remote explosive. Finally decides well I'll just be a sniper and shoot from the ground spawn. I might have a chance at scoring a kill. The whole team is there with him in a nice tight bunch. Then Magic beams appear from the sky and kill everyone on the team for the final clones. I'm sure WTF was definitely uttered. Then after the match I felt bad that I just made this game horrible for him... Then moments later I realized that was myself 7 months ago. My only thought is keep it up kid you're gonna make it here if you want it. I don't hate proto stompers they are the goal to be and beat. Goodluck guys. New and old its a hard life being a merc in NEW EDEN. Did u invite him to your corp afterwards? We have to take these newberries and guide and nurture them. They are our young and our little future greifers
I had him join my corp in the beggining I just don't think I have the time to sit and manage it most days.
I will refer him to you guys.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.08 04:41:00 -
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Lowkiie wrote:Alot of you guys on here defending the proto stomp are nothing but selfish cry babies who want to hinder the games growth. I started in closed beta and it was a different time back then as proto wasn't really common. Now it's everywhere and you expect new players to take the ass kicking and thank you for the opportunity? **** You! What happens when the newbies get their own game mode? You are going to whine and cry because your easy kills are gone. Not to mention the fact that most of you use mouse and keyboard with aim assist (yeah I know theres a way) I can't wait for the day when CCP wakes up and starts thinking of ways to draw in the new players and gives them a fighting chance. Proto stomping is your purogotive, but you know that it is hardly fair. I could do the same, I have all the necessary skills and equipment and a rather high lifetime SP coun't. But I don't do it. It's not fun to get completely overwhelmed as a new player. Most new players don't know that the best way to grow is to get in with a corp. So don't sit there and act all high and mighty talking garbage about proto stomping is your right. So you "High KDR guys", your days are numbered.
:/ So you're butt hurt that people are defending "Proto Stomping?" You do realize that the issue isn't with Proto Stomping but Teamwork right? 1v1 A STD has an okay chance against a Proto but when people are using teamwork, even with just three players working together...It's much easier to "stomp". MUCH EASIER. I seen a squad of 4 Teamplayers conquer a battle, not because of Proto but because they just had really great teamwork. I didn't cry, I didn't whine...I knew how it was and tried to adjust to the situation.
Back in my time when I had to constantly work towards Proto...I didn't cry "OMG HE HAS PROTO AND I DON'T STOP USING IT." Nah. I worked with what I had to take them out. All of that has made me into a better player. My KD/R suffered greatly but whatever, it never really matters in a game like Dust, imo.
What's really annoying about your post is that you're pretty emotional when OP ain't even emotional...nostalgic, sure but we can easily see you feel some type of way about what's been said.
The point of it all is not to just have an easy game. A lot of players actually prefer to use lower end gear for a better challenge. The POINT is to actually instill these players with the same type of dedication and rigor that we've gained so that they may become better. In the end, the soldier makes the gear not the other way around. Been a many times I took out a Proto with just a militia rifle...
Edit: >_> I just took out a Proto Logi with a Militia set LITERALLY seconds ago.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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